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Wsisters45
Dec 22nd, 2005, 01:29 AM
Which head-to-head reacord between two players do you think is the most bizzare?

I would have to say Danillidou 2-0 record Over Justine (both extremely tight 3 setters on grass :eek: )

Which record surpises you?

Geisha
Dec 22nd, 2005, 01:35 AM
I'd say Lindsay's 4-10 record against Serena. You would think that her 14-13 record against Venus would be an indication of how her matches with Serena would go, but this is not the case. I don't know what goes on with Lindsay when she plays Serena.

DomenicDemaria
Dec 22nd, 2005, 01:52 AM
Not a record but Mary has beaten Hingis 6-0, 6-0 before. :eek:

DomenicDemaria
Dec 22nd, 2005, 02:01 AM
I reakon the Lindsay-Maria head to head. Maria leads 3-1 but lost 6-0, 6-0 in the one loss. You would think if you bet someone love and love you would have a winning record against them.

Dan23
Dec 22nd, 2005, 02:07 AM
I reakon the Lindsay-Maria head to head. Maria leads 3-1 but lost 6-0, 6-0 in the one loss. You would think if you bet someone love and love you would have a winning record against them.
Shows how much of a norm that IW match was ;)

@m@nd@
Dec 22nd, 2005, 02:08 AM
Shows how much of a norm that IW match was ;)
exactly :)

Brooks.
Dec 22nd, 2005, 02:11 AM
I reakon the Lindsay-Maria head to head. Maria leads 3-1 but lost 6-0, 6-0 in the one loss. You would think if you bet someone love and love you would have a winning record against them.

the other three matches were extremely close though and lindsay really should have won at least two of them...the wimbledon match was her's until the rain delay :rolleyes: ...and she should have beat her at the yec as well


the H2H that really surprises me is Serena 7-1 against Clijsters.....I just would have thought that Kim would have more wins over Serena since her plan always seems to be just keep the ball in play and wait for errors against the big hitters...her defense is probably the best on tour...but I guess at least in the past Serena has always been mentally tougher

aimee20
Dec 22nd, 2005, 02:20 AM
how about 11-3 davenport and mauresmo :worship:

Infiniti2001
Dec 22nd, 2005, 02:43 AM
Sesil -Venus 1-0 :haha: :rolls:

faboozadoo15
Dec 22nd, 2005, 03:21 AM
jenns record vs serena vs her record against venus.

Zauber
Dec 22nd, 2005, 03:27 AM
Was there a hidden story in the 6:0 6:0 loss of Maria to Lindsey?

tennisIlove09
Dec 22nd, 2005, 03:35 AM
7-1 Venus vs. JHH

franny
Dec 22nd, 2005, 03:55 AM
the other three matches were extremely close though and lindsay really should have won at least two of them...the wimbledon match was her's until the rain delay :rolleyes: ...and she should have beat her at the yec as well



How do you figure that Davenport should have beaten Sharapova at the YEC? I don't think Davenport ever led in that match.

tennisIlove09
Dec 22nd, 2005, 04:07 AM
How do you figure that Davenport should have beaten Sharapova at the YEC? I don't think Davenport ever led in that match.

No she didnt. But at Tokyo, I think Davenport had chances. Or it was close. No breaks in the final set.

xin_hui
Dec 22nd, 2005, 04:15 AM
the H2H that really surprises me is Serena 7-1 against Clijsters.....I just would have thought that Kim would have more wins over Serena since her plan always seems to be just keep the ball in play and wait for errors against the big hitters...her defense is probably the best on tour...but I guess at least in the past Serena has always been mentally tougher

all times kim and serena met were when serena was at her prime, at her peak. no surprise the H2H is like that. i mean, kim didnt have a chance to meet serena this year;)

Drake1980
Dec 22nd, 2005, 04:20 AM
Maureen Drake 1-0 against Patty Schynder

franny
Dec 22nd, 2005, 04:31 AM
No she didnt. But at Tokyo, I think Davenport had chances. Or it was close. No breaks in the final set.

Oh for sure Davenport had chances in both matches. I'm not denying that, I was just confused over the comment that Davenport should have won the match at the YEC, when really Sharapova was the one who should have won it in straight sets if not for some minor choking.

Brooks.
Dec 22nd, 2005, 04:34 AM
all times kim and serena met were when serena was at her prime, at her peak. no surprise the H2H is like that. i mean, kim didnt have a chance to meet serena this year;)

i may be the only person who thinks this way but I honestly thought Kim's game was better before her wrist injury...I think people assume because she has won a slam since her comeback that her game has improved...honestly I think everyone including Venus, Henin, Clijsters were better in 02' and 03' because they had to be in order to compete with Serena...just my little theory though...to me nobody has even really come close to the level Serena displayed from miami 02'-wimbledon 03'

Brooks.
Dec 22nd, 2005, 04:36 AM
How do you figure that Davenport should have beaten Sharapova at the YEC? I don't think Davenport ever led in that match.

I thought Davenport came out in that match really flat and uninterested...Sharapova wasn't at all impressive during the championships and I felt like Lindsay was playing well above Maria's level and had she put a little more effort in it she would have come up with the win..just my opinion though

xin_hui
Dec 22nd, 2005, 04:39 AM
i may be the only person who thinks this way but I honestly thought Kim's game was better before her wrist injury...I think people assume because she has won a slam since her comeback that her game has improved...honestly I think everyone including Venus, Henin, Clijsters were better in 02' and 03' because they had to be in order to compete with Serena...just my little theory though...to me nobody has even really come close to the level Serena displayed from miami 02'-wimbledon 03'

serena was definitely untouchable in 2002-3. since most of her meetings with kim came during that time, it's no wonder the H2H is that lop-sided

and i said about kim meeting serena this year, not because i think kim's level has risen so much, but because of serena's sub-par play this year:tape:

K-Dog
Dec 22nd, 2005, 05:02 AM
Sesil -Venus 1-0 :haha: :rolls:

drugs, i'm telling you, drugs.

JK Sesil fans. I'm not serious at all. I'll wait until the facts are out.

Stamp Paid
Dec 22nd, 2005, 05:09 AM
I'd say Lindsay's 4-10 record against Serena. You would think that her 14-13 record against Venus would be an indication of how her matches with Serena would go, but this is not the case. I don't know what goes on with Lindsay when she plays Serena.

LOL, its just like with Serena and Capriati. Different players games match up with eachpther differently.

K-Dog
Dec 22nd, 2005, 05:20 AM
LOL, its just like with Serena and Capriati. Different players games match up with eachpther differently.

Yep. Serena can rely on Lindsay's lack of movement to put her shots away from her. Jen runs a lot of her shots down and mixs up the pace with flat, topspin, and slice(especially on her serve). She also doesn't play the same pace too often either against Serena. I think that Jen can get in a groove on the heavy shots of Serena and either frustrate Serena with her quickness or hit cold blooded winners against her.

Lindsay gets Serena in a groove because Serena likes a hard, flat ball. Lindsay can really only frustrate Serena with low percentage tennis, while Jen plays similar to the way Andre Agassi does with high percentage tennis. Lindsay gets frustrated with Serena's speed, serve, and her returns. Lindsay has only one game plan against Serena and often times she gets too moody when it isn't working perfectly and when Serena is countering it with her own winners and powerful serves.

K-Dog
Dec 22nd, 2005, 05:29 AM
I'd say Lindsay's 4-10 record against Serena. You would think that her 14-13 record against Venus would be an indication of how her matches with Serena would go, but this is not the case. I don't know what goes on with Lindsay when she plays Serena.

Reason: Serena is a point constructer from the middle of the court and Venus constructs points from the corners of the court. Serena prefers the dictate and win points by jerking her opponents around with angled shots or power shots from the middle of the court. Serena is more of a "one-two" punch player who ends points early and gives Lindsay no chance to play her power game.

Venus rallies more and isn't necessarily a player who wants to end the points with set up plays. Venus has a great wing-span and plays points from the corners of the court. She in turn plays her shots into the corners from the corners of the court. Venus does have good inside-out shots, but doesn't posess the angles from the central areas of the court like Serena. Lindsay is allowed to get into points and play her shots, whereas Serena often times blows shots by her before she can even get a chance to make a dent in Serena's armor.

blerr
Dec 22nd, 2005, 05:51 AM
Sonya Jeyaseelan's 1-0 record over Venus lol

(beat her in '99 6-4, 7-6)

Junex
Dec 22nd, 2005, 06:25 AM
all times kim and serena met were when serena was at her prime, at her peak. no surprise the H2H is like that. i mean, kim didnt have a chance to meet serena this year;)


Seems the same could be said of the Venus-JHH 7-1 H2H.

Derek.
Dec 22nd, 2005, 06:38 AM
Maria Sharapova's 3-0 over Steroid Sesil after Steroid Sesil claimed she'd kick her butt.

Dan23
Dec 22nd, 2005, 06:39 AM
Maria Sharapova's 3-0 over Steroid Sesil after Steroid Sesil claimed she'd kick her butt.
:tape:

Shoulderpova
Dec 22nd, 2005, 06:47 AM
Venus and Serena against the Belgians :worship:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Dec 22nd, 2005, 06:53 AM
I always find the Jen/Lindsay vs Serena/Venus h2h really amusing. Venus never losing to Jen, while Serena only losing 4 out of 14 matches versus Lindsay one of them being when she was 16 :tape:

xin_hui
Dec 22nd, 2005, 06:53 AM
Maria Sharapova's 3-0 over Steroid Sesil after Steroid Sesil claimed she'd kick her butt.

nice use of words:rolleyes:

anyway is the H2H really surprising considering maria's ranked so much ahead of sesil?:rolleyes:

Orion
Dec 22nd, 2005, 06:59 AM
Nagyova over Schnyder, 5-2

What's up with Nagyova?

The Kaz
Dec 22nd, 2005, 07:01 AM
Melanie Gloria (#656) - Daniela Hantuchova 1-0 :o

Derek.
Dec 22nd, 2005, 07:06 AM
Melanie Gloria (#656) - Daniela Hantuchova 1-0 :o

:yawn:

darrinbaker00
Dec 22nd, 2005, 07:10 AM
Was there a hidden story in the 6:0 6:0 loss of Maria to Lindsey?
Besides Lindsay having her foot surgically removed from Masha's rectum, no..... ;)

darrinbaker00
Dec 22nd, 2005, 07:12 AM
drugs, i'm telling you, drugs.

JK Sesil fans. I'm not serious at all. I'll wait until the facts are out.
In that case, don't read L'Equipe..... ;)

Derek.
Dec 22nd, 2005, 07:12 AM
Besides Lindsay having her foot surgically removed from Masha's rectum, no..... ;)

Security! He's back!

Stamp Paid
Dec 22nd, 2005, 07:25 AM
Security! He's back!

I know, right. Ugh.

darrinbaker00
Dec 22nd, 2005, 07:37 AM
Security! He's back!
I know, right. Ugh.
Ah, my adoring fans..... ;)

LH2HBH
Dec 22nd, 2005, 09:51 AM
Kournikova leads Capriati 3-1

K-Dog
Dec 22nd, 2005, 09:55 AM
Kournikova leads Capriati 3-1

I guess, but they never played a tour match from 2001 on. Jennifer wasn't playing great tennis consistently in 1999 and 2000 whereas Anna was closer to the best she was in singles when she got those wins.

LH2HBH
Dec 22nd, 2005, 09:57 AM
I guess, but they never played a tour match from 2001 on. Jennifer wasn't playing great tennis and Anna was near the best she was in singles when she got those wins.

yeah I realize that - but it's still a great stat if you're an Anna fan

Hingie
Dec 22nd, 2005, 10:34 AM
Kournikova leads Capriati 3-1

Wow, i had no idea about this one. Although, as mentioned Capriati really found her game after this.

One head to head i can't figure out was Hingis Vs Sanchez-Vicario. I don't know exactly what it is but it's very one sided. Hingis doesn't hit with that much power and she just really frustrates the crap out of Arantxa. I'm pretty sure Arantxa has been more successful against the likes of Seles and Graf - is this right?

bellascarlett
Dec 22nd, 2005, 10:39 AM
yeah I realize that - but it's still a great stat if you're an Anna fan

It is a great and very surprising stat (at least to someone like me who wasnt a tennis fan during those days)! :cool:

The more I learn about Anna and the more I watch of her past matches, the more surprised I get and the more respect I have for her. :) Its such a bummer that a lot underestimate her as a (former) player. I mean I used to...but then what's probably worse is that she probably never realized the best of her potential...

jamatthews
Dec 22nd, 2005, 11:14 AM
I thought Davenport came out in that match really flat and uninterested...Sharapova wasn't at all impressive during the championships and I felt like Lindsay was playing well above Maria's level and had she put a little more effort in it she would have come up with the win..just my opinion though

Lindsay wasn't impressive at all though...Patty really should have beaten her...

Joana
Dec 22nd, 2005, 11:17 AM
Wow, i had no idea about this one. Although, as mentioned Capriati really found her game after this.

One head to head i can't figure out was Hingis Vs Sanchez-Vicario. I don't know exactly what it is but it's very one sided. Hingis doesn't hit with that much power and she just really frustrates the crap out of Arantxa. I'm pretty sure Arantxa has been more successful against the likes of Seles and Graf - is this right?

True. Only 2 wins in 20 matches for ASV. :sad:
Her game just never really matched up well against Martina's. And plus, the majority of their matches were played during Martina's top years with ASV having already passed her prime. And yes, she was more successful vs Graf and Seles (albeit not that much), but their rivalry belonged to another era.

Speaking of Arantxa, her H2H against Coetzer was rather interesting - 18-4 in ASV's favour. Total domination!
And it's also interesting that she has losing H2H to Novotna and Pierce, yet in general had better career than both of them.

Ballbasher
Dec 22nd, 2005, 12:07 PM
Sun leads S. Williams 1-0

SilK
Dec 22nd, 2005, 12:22 PM
Kournikova leads Capriati 3-1

yeah. I was about to post that... but all three of those wins come before Capriati won Slams.

I think her last win over Capriati was at the YEC, just a month before Jenny won the Aussie Open for the first time.

Bounty Hunter
Dec 22nd, 2005, 12:39 PM
Sesil -Venus 1-0 :haha: :rolls:

:lol: :lol: :lol: You are not right.... :lol:

Shonami Slam
Dec 22nd, 2005, 01:21 PM
smashnova is 3-1 agains hantuchova or something like that.
She also has 2-1 on kuznetsova and 3-0 on molik, something like that anyway.

Helen Lawson
Dec 22nd, 2005, 01:53 PM
Conchita:

v. Graf 1-13
v. Seles 1-20 :eek:
v. Navratilova 4-1 :bounce:

Sonf@
Dec 22nd, 2005, 01:58 PM
Magüi Serna vs Justine: 2-0

spencercarlos
Dec 22nd, 2005, 02:32 PM
Conchita:

v. Graf 1-13
v. Seles 1-20 :eek:
v. Navratilova 4-1 :bounce:
Not surprising as Conchita played Navratilova 4 times on clay from 1990 and surprisingly 1990 Rome and 1994 Rome were Martina´s greatest performances on clay in her late carreer, Martina had no titles on the surface since 1990 Hilton Head. Martina beat Conchita the only time in Rome 1990 6-2 6-0.

SAEKeithSerena
Dec 22nd, 2005, 03:54 PM
hahaha serna over justine. that's great

hingis-seles
Dec 22nd, 2005, 04:13 PM
Monica Seles and Jana Novotna.

timray
Dec 22nd, 2005, 04:17 PM
Myskina vs. Dementieva 9-5

WonderfulLee
Dec 22nd, 2005, 04:27 PM
yayuk basuki - Mary pierce 2-0

_LuCaS_
Dec 22nd, 2005, 05:04 PM
Myskina vs. Dementieva 9-5
Exactly. How in the world did Lena win 5 ? :eek:








J/k

LH2HBH
Dec 22nd, 2005, 05:09 PM
yeah. I was about to post that... but all three of those wins come before Capriati won Slams.

I think her last win over Capriati was at the YEC, just a month before Jenny won the Aussie Open for the first time.


Well that means it was 2000 and that they were both in top form that year. Kournikova was just cooling off her best and Capriati was just about to hit hers. Their games are a pretty good match up with Capriati just hitting the ball a little bit harder hard but Kournikova having the all court game. 6-4, 6-4

miffedmax
Dec 22nd, 2005, 05:19 PM
Exactly. How in the world did Lena win 5 ? :eek:








J/k

Cold. Just cold. (Actually, I thought the Pizza Wars were more lopsided than that.)

Brooks.
Dec 22nd, 2005, 06:40 PM
Alex Stevenson leads Capriati 3-2 :eek:

Ryan
Dec 22nd, 2005, 06:53 PM
Alex Stevenson leads Capriati 3-2 :eek:



Double :eek:. I always like looking at Martina's 15-5 record over Seles, but it's not that surprising, Hingis moved Monica around better than anyone, and Monica wasn't in great shape the entire time.

Marti also owns Anke Huber (12-1). Hingis vs. Huber almost always produced odd three-setters, 8 out of the 13 times they played. Huber won the second match they played, and Hingis reeled off 11 straight after that. It just seems weird to me that Anke could always take a lopsided set off of Hingis, then lose two even more lopsided. (6-2 1-6 6-3, 2-6 6-1 6-2, 6-1 2-6 6-1, etc.)

Kart
Dec 22nd, 2005, 07:01 PM
Double :eek:. I always like looking at Martina's 15-5 record over Seles, but it's not that surprising, Hingis moved Monica around better than anyone, and Monica wasn't in great shape the entire time.


So true and I hate the fact that Martina won all the ones that mattered apart from French open 1998 :explode:.

My only joy is Monica won their last meeting (albeit against an unfit Hingis) but if they both return next year that joy might be taken away from me as well :mad:.

goldenboi356
Dec 22nd, 2005, 07:12 PM
serena vs momo 9-1 !! could understand why
myskina vs kim 3-7!!
lindsay vs serena 4-10!!!!!!!! thought lindsay would win more than that

Ryan
Dec 22nd, 2005, 09:06 PM
So true and I hate the fact that Martina won all the ones that mattered apart from French open 1998 :explode:.

My only joy is Monica won their last meeting (albeit against an unfit Hingis) but if they both return next year that joy might be taken away from me as well :mad:.



*hugs* I just hope Monica does come back in '06, and I wouldn't even mind if she beats Hingis! (once, but no more. And only if Hingis beats her 4 or 5 times. :p)

crazillo
Dec 22nd, 2005, 09:11 PM
Maleeva-Davenport 3-3
Maleeva-V.Willianms 3-3
Maleeva-Martinez 1-11
Maleevas-Graf 0-36
Maleeva-Rubin 7-1

Novotna-Graf 4-28
Tauziat-Graf 0-21

How is the one between Coetzer and Graf???

Geisha
Dec 22nd, 2005, 09:15 PM
I think it is so funny when we compare Mauresmo and Kournikova's records against Davenport. Kournikova has beaten Davenport twice, and Amelie thrice - pretty funny considering most people consider Mauresmo the much, much, much better player. Yet, they have relatively the same success against Lindsay.

<!Society!>
Dec 22nd, 2005, 09:17 PM
lindsay against sabatini, considering she leads seles 10-3, shes losing pretty bad to sabatini!

tenn_ace
Dec 22nd, 2005, 09:21 PM
Sesil -Venus 1-0 :haha: :rolls:


oh my :haha:

one of very few players with winning record over Venus :bounce: :p

Almalyk
Dec 22nd, 2005, 09:42 PM
Exactly. How in the world did Lena win 5 ? :eek:

J/k

LOL! :lol: I personally like Nastya's 3-1 record over Sharapova.

_LuCaS_
Dec 22nd, 2005, 09:54 PM
LOL! :lol: I personally like Nastya's 3-1 record over Sharapova.
You're asking trouble :wavey:

Farina Elia Fan
Dec 23rd, 2005, 12:07 AM
Rossana De Los Rios 2-0 over Silvia Farina Elia :eek: