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Erika_Angel
Dec 21st, 2005, 10:12 AM
Sesil Karatantcheva: I Am Innocent

"I am innocent and I have never talked to judges in London," Sesil Karatantcheva told local Gong radio asked to comment French press reports she had produced a positive doping test.

The 16-aged hopeful of Bulgarian tennis expressed her shock and disappointment with "the false reports of the French".

She suggested the news of having proven positive in banned steroid neandrolone was a kind of interpretation by the French L'Equipe. "The Frenchmen have never liked me," she added.

She refused also the reports claiming she had talked to an ITF judge-panel in London last week to give explanation.

The news of Karatantcheva - Roland-Garros junior winner in 20054 - has gone round the globe hitting all the European headlines. Seen as a promising star in tennis, world media have refrained from commenting just reproducing the news circulated by French newspaper L'Equipe.

To impose a sanction, it is obligatory first to prove that the neandrolone was used intentionally, Bulgarian news agency noted.

Erika_Angel
Dec 21st, 2005, 10:13 AM
I'm not sure if someone has posted this yet, but I'm reading such bad stuff about Selis, and she is basically saying none of what was posted in L'equipe was true at all.
This is from a Bulgarian newspaper, quotes from Sesil herself.

ETA: I'm not a fan of Sesil's but give her a chance. It looks like L'equipe just made the whole thing up.

Erika_Angel
Dec 21st, 2005, 10:14 AM
Bulgarian teenager denies drugs claim
By Mark Hodgkinson
(Filed: 21/12/2005)

Sesil Karatantcheva, the Bulgarian teenager who was a quarter-finalist at this year's French Open, has strongly denied allegations in yesterday's editions of L'Equipe, the French sports newspaper, that she failed a drugs test during the Roland Garros fortnight.

The paper has reported that the 16-year-old, who would have been just 15 at the time of the alleged test, had traces of nandrolone, a banned steroid, in a urine sample given after her quarter-final defeat by the Russian, Elena Likhovtseva. It has also been claimed that she attended a hearing held by the International Tennis Federation in London last week and is facing a two-year suspension.

L'Equipe has reported that Karatantcheva defended herself at the hearing by claiming that the raised level of nandrolone in her urine sample was because she was unknowingly pregnant when she was tested, and that she said that she later had a miscarriage. But the paper's report said that a pregnancy test carried out by a French laboratory on her urine sample proved negative.

Karatantcheva, a top-40 player, said that she had not been informed of a positive dope test, and denied that she had appeared at an ITF drugs hearing. "I am shocked. I have not appeared before any ITF judges," she said.

Unconfirmed rumours had been circulating in the sport for some weeks that a woman had tested positive for a banned substance during the French Open. A spokesman for the ITF could not confirm or deny that there was a case against Karatantcheva, but if the reports prove correct it is understood that she would become the first woman in the sport's recent history to commit a serious doping offence.

Karatantcheva has already made a considerable impact on the tour. 'Special K', as she is known, is certainly not lacking in confidence. She came to prominence at this year's French Open by defeating Venus Williams in the third round.

The Bulgarian Tennis Federation said that they had not been contacted about a failed drugs test. "We had no information until today about any positive doping test for Karatantcheva," they said. "The federation want to express their support for her. We sincerely hope that the French newspaper report will not be confirmed."

L'Equipe alleged in October that Argentina's Mariano Puerta, the men's finalist in Paris, tested positive for a banned stimulant after his defeat by Spaniard Rafael Nadal.

GoDominique
Dec 21st, 2005, 10:18 AM
It looks like L'equipe just made the whole thing up.
It does?

korben
Dec 21st, 2005, 10:19 AM
Wasn´t there a thread about this thing already ???
:confused:

Erika_Angel
Dec 21st, 2005, 10:23 AM
It does?

Well I mean Sesil is saying she never went to a trial or that she was pregnant or anything. What other explaination would there be other than L'equipe created the story. I doubt Sesil would lie on Bulgarian Radio if it were true, especially if she was trying to get people to believe her "story".

xin_hui
Dec 21st, 2005, 10:33 AM
Well I mean Sesil is saying she never went to a trial or that she was pregnant or anything. What other explaination would there be other than L'equipe created the story. I doubt Sesil would lie on Bulgarian Radio if it were true, especially if she was trying to get people to believe her "story".

i'm not taking anyone's side. but why would a french newspaper cook up all this story about sesil? face it, she's nowhere in the league of a "star". had they wanted to cook things up, there are so many people they could have used that would make the story much more sensational

Erika_Angel
Dec 21st, 2005, 10:37 AM
Well there was meant to be a female player who tested positive at the French Open.
Sesil made the Quarters of the French pretty much out of nowhere (she hadn't had fantastic results) and beat Venus. Seems like she would be the obvious choice if they had to create a drug drama.

ClaudiaZ-S
Dec 21st, 2005, 11:05 AM
"The Frenchmen have never liked me," she added.

She meant French People :scratch: It's the speech of Armstrong :lol:

wateva
Dec 21st, 2005, 11:24 AM
Well there was meant to be a female player who tested positive at the French Open.
Sesil made the Quarters of the French pretty much out of nowhere (she hadn't had fantastic results) and beat Venus. Seems like she would be the obvious choice if they had to create a drug drama.
why not ana ivanovic who also came out of nowhere to reach the quarters also? and she did beat their french favorite, amelie. the choice is not OBVIOUS at all.

Erika_Angel
Dec 21st, 2005, 11:31 AM
why not ana ivanovic who also came out of nowhere to reach the quarters also? and she did beat their french favorite, amelie. the choice is not OBVIOUS at all.

I'm sorry ... it is ONE of the obvious choices.

It seems to me people WANT to believe Sesil is guilty.
I can't see why she would ever say she didn't have a trial if she actually did. There is nothing to be gained there. It is natural for her to deny taking drugs yes, but deny having a trial when she really did? That would be stupid, it would totally take away any chance of the ITF believing her story about being pregnant (if that is true). I just cannot see that happening.
How come L'equipe is the only paper with that info? All other reports claim that "according to L'equipe" or similar comments.
Give the girl the benefit of the doubt before having a go at her, it looks to me like she didn't do anything, at least not yet.

hwanmig
Dec 21st, 2005, 11:34 AM
French Open-05 I believe was her first tour level clay tournament plus reaching the final of 3 out of 4 ITF clay tournaments in career. L'Equipe definitely has a lot of motive.
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xin_hui
Dec 21st, 2005, 11:42 AM
I'm sorry ... it is ONE of the obvious choices.



nope it isnt. other than ivanovic, wouldnt using say, JHH or maria sharapova would have made much more sensational stories?

ClaudiaZ-S
Dec 21st, 2005, 11:43 AM
French Open-05 I believe was her first tour level clay tournament plus reaching the final of 3 out of 4 ITF clay tournaments in career. L'Equipe definitely has a lot of motive.
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The old theory of complot :rolleyes:

Erika_Angel
Dec 21st, 2005, 11:48 AM
nope it isnt. other than ivanovic, wouldnt using say, JHH or maria sharapova would have made much more sensational stories?

Well of course they would make sensational stories, they'd also be sued for millions considering how popular they are. They are also though both top players, Sesil came out of nowhere to get to the Quarters, I would think that if they were guessing which players might have taken drugs they'd choose Sesil.

So tell me if Sesil did take the drugs and go to the trial, why would she deny the very story that she is hoping the ITF believes so that she won't get banned? She has basically said she was never pregnant. If it were true she is using that excuse for the ITF then she has no chance now she has denied it.

xin_hui
Dec 21st, 2005, 11:52 AM
Well of course they would make sensational stories, they'd also be sued for millions considering how popular they are. They are also though both top players, Sesil came out of nowhere to get to the Quarters, I would think that if they were guessing which players might have taken drugs they'd choose Sesil.

So tell me if Sesil did take the drugs and go to the trial, why would she deny the very story that she is hoping the ITF believes so that she won't get banned? She has basically said she was never pregnant. If it were true she is using that excuse for the ITF then she has no chance now she has denied it.

look, i'm not saying sesil's at fault. i'm just saying there's no reason for the papers to weave an entire story just for her

if it is totally untrue, they'd get sued so badly. they sure are not awaiting this to happen

ClaudiaZ-S
Dec 21st, 2005, 11:56 AM
Well of course they would make sensational stories, they'd also be sued for millions considering how popular they are. They are also though both top players, Sesil came out of nowhere to get to the Quarters, I would think that if they were guessing which players might have taken drugs they'd choose Sesil.

So tell me if Sesil did take the drugs and go to the trial, why would she deny the very story that she is hoping the ITF believes so that she won't get banned? She has basically said she was never pregnant. If it were true she is using that excuse for the ITF then she has no chance now she has denied it.

Wait & see ! :rolleyes: We'll know it quickly :eek:

Erika_Angel
Dec 21st, 2005, 12:05 PM
Wait & see ! :rolleyes: We'll know it quickly :eek:

Well we will, unlike you I am not saying Sesil is saying the truth or that the paper is saying the truth, I'm merely saying I can't justify Sesil's actions about denying everything if the paper is saying the truth. That would only make the whole thing worse.
No need to badrep me for it, I was just having an opinion :rolleyes:

DanWoody
Dec 21st, 2005, 12:13 PM
I mean, this story becomes more and more strange, for me as a neutral observer.

Was she in London or not, to speak with the ITF? I mean some other people must know this too, like people from the airport or something.

Erika_Angel
Dec 21st, 2005, 12:16 PM
I mean, this story becomes more and more strange, for me as a neutral observer.

Was she in London or not, to speak with the ITF? I mean some other people must know this too, like people from the airport or something.

Look I find this story strange too. I can't believe everyone is believing it though.

Let's face the facts:
Sesil has denied this herself
Sesil has said she never went to london
Sesil said she never had a trial
Sesil said she never said she was pregnant
L'equipe claims Sesil is using pregnancy rumour to try and get out of ban (so why would she then deny it the next day?)
L'equipe is the ONLY paper to be reporting this story.

I just don't see anything that points to Sesil having had that Trial. For all I know she could be the one who tested positive but as for having the trial and saying she was pregant, I cannot see why she would jeaporidize the ITF believing her "pregnancy" story by publically claiming it isn't true. I don't get it.

PaulHopkins
Dec 21st, 2005, 12:28 PM
I have a background in the media and I agree it seems very strange that only one newspaper is reporting this. It seems to me that they have been drastically misinformed by a poor source. If the rumour is untrue then Sesil will undoubtedly sue the newspaper big time and good on her!

PaulHopkins
Dec 21st, 2005, 12:31 PM
look, i'm not saying sesil's at fault. i'm just saying there's no reason for the papers to weave an entire story just for her

if it is totally untrue, they'd get sued so badly. they sure are not awaiting this to happen

Someone within the newspaper will be fired thats for certain! If untrue then their source has cost them their job :lol:

joz
Dec 21st, 2005, 12:54 PM
[QUOTE=Erika_Angel]Well of course they would make sensational stories, they'd also be sued for millions considering how popular they are. They are also though both top players, Sesil came out of nowhere to get to the Quarters, I would think that if they were guessing which players might have taken drugs they'd choose Sesil.QUOTE]

But... she didn't look strong... in fact I thought she looked weak the whole touranment... winning with moonballs and waiting for mistakes. In the matches I saw from her at the French... her hard shots were almost always out... and her serve was in the Lena D. mode. So, I dont' see why they would "guess" Sesil... she did not look strong nor powerful at the French.

DuLeafs
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:12 PM
Look I find this story strange too. I can't believe everyone is believing it though.

Let's face the facts:
Sesil has denied this herself
Sesil has said she never went to london
Sesil said she never had a trial
Sesil said she never said she was pregnant
L'equipe claims Sesil is using pregnancy rumour to try and get out of ban (so why would she then deny it the next day?)
L'equipe is the ONLY paper to be reporting this story.

And STILL some posters here think she is guilty :cuckoo:

The only truth here is that L'Equipe wrote a false story...

DuLeafs
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:13 PM
Someone within the newspaper will be fired thats for certain! If untrue then their source has cost them their job :lol:

Good
:rocker2:

azinna
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:15 PM
Guys, L'Equippe would not manufacture anything out of thin air.

The journal is a bit over-eager when doping is the issue. So it is very likely that (if some aspects of the scandal prove false) a source has given the paper wrong information.

hablo
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:17 PM
"The Frenchmen have never liked me," she added.

She meant French People :scratch: It's the speech of Armstrong :lol:
so true :lol:

tenn_ace
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:17 PM
so, if the newspaper made it all up, why didn't she threaten to sue it? :confused:

DuLeafs
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:17 PM
Guys, L'Equippe would not manufacture anything out of thin air.

The journal is a bit over-eager when doping is the issue. So it is very likely that (if some aspects of the scandal prove false) a source has given the paper wrong information.

Okay, a source came up with the information:

- Why didnt L'Equipe called with Sesil?
- Why didnt they contacted the ITF in London?
- Why they havent called with the Bulgarian Tennis Federation?

Bad, bad, bad journalism if u ask me

Volcana
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:24 PM
It's a bout time to wait and see what happens. If she gets banned, she gets banned. If not, not. It could even be a mixup with the samples. I'm sure we'll hear something before OZ.

Klurt
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:30 PM
Okay, a source came up with the information:

- Why didnt L'Equipe called with Sesil?
- Why didnt they contacted the ITF in London?
- Why they havent called with the Bulgarian Tennis Federation?

Bad, bad, bad journalism if u ask me

It could also be a panic 'deny-it-all' reaction from Sesil though.
But you're absolutely right. It's bad journalism anyway, because in the article there are no people quoted who actually have something to do with the case. And doublechecking your sources is of course very important, but apparently (maybe because Sesil is not really a 'big fish') the French were too lazy to do it. This does not say anything though about the article being true or not.

hablo
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:31 PM
Okay, a source came up with the information:

- Why didnt L'Equipe called with Sesil?
- Why didnt they contacted the ITF in London?
- Why they havent called with the Bulgarian Tennis Federation?

Bad, bad, bad journalism if u ask me
so what will you do if this ends up being true DuLeafs ? :tape:

by the way, guess who beat the Sens last night ? :p :lol:

hablo
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:36 PM
well Puerta just got banned for 8 years, according to TSN ....

http://www.tsn.ca/tennis/news_story.asp?id=147775

DuLeafs
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:43 PM
so what will you do if this ends up being true DuLeafs ? :tape:

by the way, guess who beat the Sens last night ? :p :lol:

We'll see what is really true soon ;)

And yeah yeah, congratulations with your amazing Habs *cough cough* :yawn: ;) Our match vs the Islanders was strange! :eek:

hablo
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:46 PM
And yeah yeah, congratulations with your amazing Habs *cough cough* :yawn: ;) Our match vs the Islanders was strange! :eek:
oh stop being so bitter : have you even beaten the Sens this year ? :ras::haha:

it sure was sure strange, all those goals; maybe now Belfour will start playing better (so much pressure to pass the number 2 goaltender with the most wins :p :lol: )

Brinyi
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:48 PM
well Puerta just got banned for 8 years, according to TSN ....

http://www.tsn.ca/tennis/news_story.asp?id=147775

The bad news there for the Sesil conspiracy theorists is that L'Equipe also broke the Puerta story, and its reports turned out to be 100% correct.

Experimentee
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:52 PM
When L'Equipe broke the Puerta story, he denied that he had tested positive, or been notified of any positive test by the authorities. In the decision today, it states that Puerta was notified by a letter dated before the L'Equipe article. So it seems like the player is more likely to be lying to save themselves, and L'Equipe was correct.

DuLeafs
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:54 PM
oh stop being so bitter : have you even beaten the Sens this year ? :ras::haha:

it sure was sure strange, all those goals; maybe now Belfour will start playing better (so much pressure to pass the number 2 goaltender with the most wins :p :lol: )

Youre right, we suck vs the Sens this season :angel: (thats what u wanted to hear right? :p ) And yeah, Tellqvist is doing a hella better job i must admit :( Eddie should get his grip togehter now, I hope he will be motivated now to STOP some pucks! :armed:

Erika_Angel
Dec 21st, 2005, 01:54 PM
When L'Equipe broke the Puerta story, he denied that he had tested positive, or been notified of any positive test by the authorities. In the decision today, it states that Puerta was notified by a letter dated before the L'Equipe article. So it seems like the player is more likely to be lying to save themselves, and L'Equipe was correct.

I'm not saying that a player would deny these things. But Sesil is denying her having a trial and denying the story which she is using to try and save her from a ban.

Why would she deny she was pregnant, if she is using that excuse for the reason she tested positive?

hablo
Dec 21st, 2005, 02:01 PM
Youre right, we suck vs the Sens this season :angel: (thats what u wanted to hear right? :p ) And yeah, Tellqvist is doing a hella better job i must admit :( Eddie should get his grip togehter now, I hope he will be motivated now to STOP some pucks! :armed:
not even close : actually, I wanted to hear how much the Habs rule ! :devil::haha:

pffffffffft, I believe more in Belfour than Tellqvist :p (we have Theodore, after all ;) )

fammmmedspin
Dec 21st, 2005, 02:59 PM
It does?

The Bugarian Federation would surely know? Sesil might not be telling the whole truth but are her federation lying too? It is indeed very odd.

You can see a very big lawsuit heading in a French direction if the story isn't true. or if they have leaked information from an ongoing enquiry the ITF are probably in breach of their duty to care for their athlete.

fammmmedspin
Dec 21st, 2005, 03:01 PM
Well there was meant to be a female player who tested positive at the French Open.
Sesil made the Quarters of the French pretty much out of nowhere (she hadn't had fantastic results) and beat Venus. Seems like she would be the obvious choice if they had to create a drug drama.

Well it wouldn't be Mary would it - came from nowhere and went even further.....

rand
Dec 21st, 2005, 03:05 PM
The Bugarian Federation would surely know? Sesil might not be telling the whole truth but are her federation lying too? It is indeed very odd.

You can see a very big lawsuit heading in a French direction if the story isn't true. or if they have leaked information from an ongoing enquiry the ITF are probably in breach of their duty to care for their athlete.
why would the federation know? the only reway they would know would be if the controls had been on their soil.....otherwise they're always the lest to know....

Doc
Dec 21st, 2005, 03:26 PM
The Times has the story today.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5205-1948264,00.html

The TimesDecember 21, 2005
Rising star faces ban after secret hearing
By John Goodbody
http://images.thetimes.co.uk/images/trans.gifTHE sport was mired in another drugs scandal yesterday when it was reported that Sesil Karatantcheva, of Bulgaria, the world No 39, had allegedly been found positive for nandrolone, the anabolic steroid.

NI_MPU('middle');Karatantcheva is believed to have been ordered to appear before a secret three-man inquiry in London last week to explain the adverse finding at this year’s French Open, in which, aged 15, she upset Venus Williams on her way to the quarter-finals in her first grand-slam tournament. If found guilty, she faces a two-year ban.

The same panel of the International Tennis Federation (ITF) is also understood to have considered the case of Mariano Puerta, of Argentina, who lost the men’s singles final at Roland Garros but was subsequently found positive for a stimulant.

Karatantcheva, who won the 2004 French Open junior title, denied that she had taken any banned substance. “I am shocked,” she said yesterday. “All this is some interpretation of the French, with whom I have never got along.”

The Bulgarian Tennis Federation immediately backed the player, stating: “We had no information until today about any positive doping test for Sesil Karatantcheva. The federation wants to express its support for Sesil, whose excellent performances in the world’s biggest tournaments have brought much joy to Bulgarian tennis fans. We sincerely hope the French newspaper report will not be confirmed.”

The ITF declines to comment on any adverse finding until the judicial process is complete. However, L’Equipe, the French daily newspaper, claims that the Bulgarian, who learnt English by listening to the Spice Girls and is a product of the Bollettieri Tennis Academy in Florida, failed the test on the urine sample that she gave after losing her quarter-final to Elena Likhovtseva, of Russia.

The newspaper said that it understood the Bulgarian had argued that the nandrolone finding was because she was pregnant at the time of the test, without being aware of it, before suffering a miscarriage. Pregnancy alters a person’s hormonal balance. However, such an argument lacks scientific plausibility, particulary as further tests that were carried out on the sample at the laboratory of Châtenay-Malabry, near Paris, included a negative one for pregnancy.

The Bulgarian has had an astonishing rise. From No 127 in 2004, she climbed to No 35 at one stage this year in the World Tennis Association rankings. The verdicts in this case and that of Puerta are expected shortly and the ITF is also considering the case of Mariano Hood, the doubles specialist from Argentina, who has had a positive finding for a banned substance at Roland Garros this year.

In 2003, Puerta was suspended for taking clenbuterol, the anabolic agent. If he is found guilty again, he faces a lifetime ban from the sport. According to L’Equipe, his lawyers have argued that during the night preceding the final against Rafael Nadal, he drank some water containing the drug, which was in a glass used by his wife, Sol, who suffers from hypotension.

The lawyers have also argued that the code of the World Anti-Doping Agency had not been adopted by the ITF when Puerta’s first offence occurred in 2003 and therefore he should not be banned for life.

Other tennis players to be suspended in recent years are Petr Korda, the Czech who won the 1998 Australian Open, Guillermo Coria, the Argentinian who was suspended for seven months in 2001, Guillermo Cañas, of Argentina, who is serving a two-year ban for taking a diuretic, and David Sebok, the Slovak who admitted to taking a cocktail of drugs, including anabolic steroids, in 2004 and is also under a two-year suspension.

ABOUT-TURN

THE most embarrassing drugs scandal for the tennis authorities occurred last year, when Greg Rusedski, the British No 2, Bohdan Ulihrach, of the Czech Republic, and six unnamed players were cleared of wrongdoing after they tested positive for elevated levels of nandrolone, a steroid. The ATP accepted that its trainers may have provided contaminated supplements to the eight players.

http://images.thetimes.co.uk/images/trans.gif

Dawn Marie
Dec 21st, 2005, 04:49 PM
"Why would she deny she was pregnant, if she is using that excuse for the reason she tested positive?"

Maybe because she later realized her excuse can also be found guilty.
She would deny it because she knows that the pregnancy test would/could come back false.

I honestly think she is innocent until proven guilty and yet it doesn't look good in my opinion. Peurta was banned for 8 years and he lied. L'Equipe was right about him. The odds are not in her favor. Yet she is young and time is on her side i either case scenario.:)

Slumpsova
Dec 21st, 2005, 06:58 PM
It could also be a panic 'deny-it-all' reaction from Sesil though.
But you're absolutely right. It's bad journalism anyway, because in the article there are no people quoted who actually have something to do with the case. And doublechecking your sources is of course very important, but apparently (maybe because Sesil is not really a 'big fish') the French were too lazy to do it. This does not say anything though about the article being true or not.

even i'm Sesil fan i must admit you might be true. i mean she is 15, she just doesn't know how to deal with this scandal. this could be the first thing she can say to the press.

but i still have hope that she is right and sue L'Equipe for billions.

Postcard
Dec 21st, 2005, 07:05 PM
"Why would she deny she was pregnant, if she is using that excuse for the reason she tested positive?"

Possibly because the news that a 15 year old was pregnant is likely to result in a serious police investigation.