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Geoffry
Dec 20th, 2005, 06:57 AM
It's all in today's L'équipe. She tested positive (nandrolon) at Roland Garros this year after her match against Elena Likhovtseva. She could be suspended for 2 years. She had to go to London last week to defend herself in front of the ITF and they will make a decision in January.

The day she tested positive, 30th of June, she was 15 years and 10 months old. Her explanation was (according to L'équipe) that she was pregnant without her knowing it. Later, she had a miscarriage, but several urine tests contradicted that.

Quite a shocker :eek:

Sadka
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:00 AM
:eek: !!

JuanRodriguez
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:03 AM
wow, didn't see that one coming! :eek:

here's the article:

20/12/2005
Tennis-Dopage : Karatantcheva contrôlée positive

Après les Argentins Mariano Puerta et Mariano Hood, la Bulgare Sesil Karatantcheva vient rallonger la liste des joueurs contrôlés positifs pendant Roland-Garros, selon L'Equipe daté du 20 décembre. L'échantillon d'urine de la jeune espoir mondiale, âgée de quinze ans et dix mois au moment des faits, a révélé des traces de nandrolone.

Surnommée 'Spécial K', elle avait marqué les esprits en atteignant les quarts de finale après avoir évincé l'Américaine Venus Williams. La 39e joueuse mondiale risque deux ans de suspension.

Le test a été effectué à l'issue de son quart de finale perdu contre Elena Likhovtseva, le mardi 30 juin. Karatantcheva a comparu la semaine dernière à Londres devant trois juges désignés par la fédération internationale de tennis.

AyumiMorita
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:07 AM
I don't think the last part about her being pregnant is true

but still, ........... WOW!

and i always wondered who the female player was who got caught at the french alongside the men

Klurt
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:08 AM
:eek: here's the link to L'Equipe website:
http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/index.html
It's in the chrono section. Shocking!!!

Alenyaa
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:11 AM
Whahaaaat? Karatancheva? Is this a joke or something?

Crazy Canuck
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:14 AM
An absolute pity if true.

Blonde_Ambition7
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:16 AM
wtf?

CooCooCachoo
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:23 AM
Oh
My
God

:sesil:

hwanmig
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:24 AM
Sesil I can't believe this, I was really expecting HER to maybe win the french next year and now this. Looks like
this is the end for her.
_________________

Nicjac
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:27 AM
Can't believe this ...

Martian Jeza
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:27 AM
It seems to be a serious case of doping... Before juging her I would like to have the real proof of all of this.. It seems she took nandrolon...

RatedR Superstar
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:28 AM
so thats why she was thinking of retiring from tennis..hmmm..

47eggs
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:28 AM
Shocked!

waratahsrock
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:31 AM
Devastating news, hopefully it turns out to be untrue, she has too much talent and potential to go to waste. :(

CooCooCachoo
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:32 AM
But we should keep in mind it comes from L'Équipe which has accused Lance Armstrong on many occasions and they never got anywhere with him.

I still tend to believe what they write though.

Martian Jeza
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:33 AM
But we should keep in mind it comes from L'Équipe which has accused Lance Armstrong on many occasions and they never got anywhere with him.

I still tend to believe what they write though.

Armstrong ? Forget it, he was overprotected and he knew it...

Nicjac
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:34 AM
But we should keep in mind it comes from L'Équipe which has accused Lance Armstrong on many occasions and they never got anywhere with him.

I still tend to believe what they write though.

Well, I searched the net and couldn't find any other comment on her and doping ...

Anna F'd Enrique
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:34 AM
oh snap......i look forward to finding out what happened

"Sluggy"
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:36 AM
Damn! Severe sadness and disappointment, pour Sesil!

Mana
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:38 AM
This is quite...Oh my god!!!

hwanmig
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:39 AM
Basing on L'Equipes reputation this news I hope would turn out to be a scam.

Klurt
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:41 AM
They have edited the article, it's a bit longer now:

20/12/2005
Tennis-Dopage : Karatantcheva contrôlée positive


Après les Argentins Mariano Puerta et Mariano Hood, la Bulgare Sesil Karatantcheva vient rallonger la liste des joueurs contrôlés positifs pendant Roland-Garros, selon L'Equipe daté du 20 décembre. L'échantillon d'urine de la jeune espoir mondiale, âgée de quinze ans et dix mois au moment des faits, a révélé des traces de nandrolone.

Surnommée 'Spécial K', la Bulgare avait marqué les esprits en atteignant les quarts de finale après avoir évincé l'Américaine Venus Williams. Le test a été effectué à l'issue de sa rencontre perdue contre Elena Likhovtseva, le mardi 30 juin. La 39e joueuse mondiale risque deux ans de suspension.

Karatantcheva a comparu la semaine dernière à Londres devant trois juges désignés par la fédération internationale de tennis (FIT). Pour sa défense, la joueuse a avancé qu'elle était enceinte au moment du contrôle, sans même le savoir, avant de subir une fausse couche. Les femmes enceintes produisent en effet une quantité plus importante de nandrolone. Or, un test de grossesse a été effectué sur les urines de la joueuse. Il s'est révélé négatif. D'autres analyses sur d'autres pathologies ont été pratiquées au laboratoire de Châtneay-Malabry pour justifier ce taux anormalement élevé (2 nanogrammes). Elles se sont également révélées négatives.

Selon la FIT, «les sportifs sont responsables de toute substance interdte, de ses métabolites ou marqueurs dont la présence est décelée dans leurs prélèvements corporels». Le sort de Karatantcheva devrait être connu début 2006, en janvier.

Can someone give a good translation?? Especially the last 2 paragraphs.

Greenout
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:42 AM
They have edited the article, it's a bit longer now:

20/12/2005
Tennis-Dopage : Karatantcheva contrôlée positive


Après les Argentins Mariano Puerta et Mariano Hood, la Bulgare Sesil Karatantcheva vient rallonger la liste des joueurs contrôlés positifs pendant Roland-Garros, selon L'Equipe daté du 20 décembre. L'échantillon d'urine de la jeune espoir mondiale, âgée de quinze ans et dix mois au moment des faits, a révélé des traces de nandrolone.

Surnommée 'Spécial K', la Bulgare avait marqué les esprits en atteignant les quarts de finale après avoir évincé l'Américaine Venus Williams. Le test a été effectué à l'issue de sa rencontre perdue contre Elena Likhovtseva, le mardi 30 juin. La 39e joueuse mondiale risque deux ans de suspension.

Karatantcheva a comparu la semaine dernière à Londres devant trois juges désignés par la fédération internationale de tennis (FIT). Pour sa défense, la joueuse a avancé qu'elle était enceinte au moment du contrôle, sans même le savoir, avant de subir une fausse couche. Les femmes enceintes produisent en effet une quantité plus importante de nandrolone. Or, un test de grossesse a été effectué sur les urines de la joueuse. Il s'est révélé négatif. D'autres analyses sur d'autres pathologies ont été pratiquées au laboratoire de Châtneay-Malabry pour justifier ce taux anormalement élevé (2 nanogrammes). Elles se sont également révélées négatives.

Selon la FIT, «les sportifs sont responsables de toute substance interdte, de ses métabolites ou marqueurs dont la présence est décelée dans leurs prélèvements corporels». Le sort de Karatantcheva devrait être connu début 2006, en janvier.

Can someone give a good translation?? Especially the last 2 paragraphs.


:speakles:

nouf
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:42 AM
i scan you the article! :-/ sesil why!

coool
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:45 AM
oh my god..
i cant belive this

Dan23
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:46 AM
:eek:
Sesil what have you done!! We'd better wait to get the fully story before going too wild on it...

Emiel Goelen
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:49 AM
Karatantcheva a comparu la semaine dernière à Londres devant trois juges désignés par la fédération internationale de tennis (FIT). Pour sa défense, la joueuse a avancé qu'elle était enceinte au moment du contrôle, sans même le savoir, avant de subir une fausse couche. Les femmes enceintes produisent en effet une quantité plus importante de nandrolone.

Or, un test de grossesse a été effectué sur les urines de la joueuse. Il s'est révélé négatif. D'autres analyses sur d'autres pathologies ont été pratiquées au laboratoire de Châtneay-Malabry pour justifier ce taux anormalement élevé (2 nanogrammes). Elles se sont également révélées négatives.

Selon la FIT, «les sportifs sont responsables de toute substance interdte, de ses métabolites ou marqueurs dont la présence est décelée dans leurs prélèvements corporels». Le sort de Karatantcheva devrait être connu début 2006, en janvier.

Can someone give a good translation?? Especially the last 2 paragraphs.



Karatantcheva has appeared in front of three judges in London last week. The judges were appointed by the ITF. In her defense, K. has said she was pregnant at the time, without knowing it herself. She only knew it afterwards, when she had a miscarriage. Pregnant women produce amounts of nandrolon themselves. There have been tests on her urin to check this, but they were negative. Other tests, including 2 nanograms, were negative.

According to ITF, every sportsman is responsible for every forbidden substance he (she) takes. The Karatantcheva-case will appear at the beginning of January 2006.

Laikade
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:49 AM
Poor Sesil.. :sad:

PamShriverRockz
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:50 AM
:eek: Wow bit of a shock this...!

Emiel Goelen
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:52 AM
Poor Sesil.. :sad:

What if it's true? I woudn't call her "poor Sesil" then :rolleyes:

BONES08
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:55 AM
Well when I was at Nicks Academy training for a tournament, it was going around that she got kicked out the academy for smoking weed. That's why her and Nick aren't the same anymore. I promise to God.

CooCooCachoo
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:55 AM
What if it's true? I woudn't call her "poor Sesil" then :rolleyes:

Well, I doubt she decided upon this herself, being 15 and all.

Alicia Rocks
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:55 AM
holy crap

Emiel Goelen
Dec 20th, 2005, 07:58 AM
Well, I doubt she decided upon this herself, being 15 and all.

Yeah, that's true. Her entourage probably is most guilty in all this...

RatedR Superstar
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:01 AM
im pretty sure masha is pretty happy right now :devil:

Brian Stewart
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:01 AM
:eek:

KimC&MariaSNo1's
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:02 AM
i really think shes an idiot what does this drug do for you anyway

F-R-E-A-K
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:08 AM
Sesil :tape: :o I hope this is not true. :sad:

Very dissapointing. :sad: :shrug:

Brαm
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:09 AM
Poor Sesil.. :sad:
stupid Sesil rather :o

15 years old :help:

And I thought she beat Venus because of her immense talent! :rolleyes:

Blonde_Ambition7
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:10 AM
i hope this isn't true.

pregnant as well?

clearly this drug didnt work very well though

nouf
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:12 AM
i can record equipe tv with reportage on this story if you want!

ctan88
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:13 AM
I never really liked this girl anway ... there was nothing special about her ...

BUT -

I hope this isnt true :)

AyumiMorita
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:13 AM
wow that girl is so smart
I used to like her when she played Indian Wells in '04 against Maria
then she won the french juniors and then got to the quarters but shes not gonna go anywhere
and this proves it

Laikade
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:13 AM
i can record equipe tv with reportage on this story if you want!
Yes please :)

Emiel Goelen
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:13 AM
stupid Sesil rather :o

15 years old :help:

And I thought she beat Venus because of her immense talent! :rolleyes:

Indeed. Pore Venus I would say :tape:

nouf
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:14 AM
i think its true!

equipe is a good newspaper has goods sources !

if they put article they have proofs

ClaudiaZ-S
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:16 AM
Bye :bigwave: Miss K.

"Sluggy"
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:17 AM
equipe is a good newspaper has goods sources !



The same sources that tried to bring down Lance Armstrong? I find it hard to believe that France's athlete's are and have always been entirely clean.

nouf
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:20 AM
they had proofs !

and they won! armstrong wanted money and he had nothing! lol

^bibi^
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:20 AM
I'm shoked :eek: why did you have to do this Sesil :bigcry:

ClaudiaZ-S
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:22 AM
The same sources that tried to bring down Lance Armstrong? I find it hard to believe that France's athlete's are and have always been entirely clean.

And What's about Virenque? :lol:

-Em-
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:25 AM
holy shit :eek: can't beleieve it :eek:

from eurosport:

Karatantcheva failed Roland dope test

Rising star Sesil Karatantcheva tested positive for the banned substance nandrolone at this year's French Open, it was revealed on Tuesday. The Bulgarian faced a ITF tribunal last week after failing a drug test following her quarter-final defeat to Elena Likhotseva at Roland Garros last June.



Seles opens door for comeback
KARANTCHEVA: "I'm just a normal 16-year old teenager"

The 16-year-old is the third player to have tested positive for an illegal substance at the tournament in Paris after men's finalist Mariano Puerta - who expects a decision on his case this week - and doubles player Mariano Hood.

The 39th-world-ranked teenager - who eliminated Venus Williams in the third round of the tournament - faces a two-year ban if the tribunal decides to apply the WADA code.

Karatantcheva argues the abnormally high levels were due to the fact she was pregnant at the time, only to later suffer a miscarriage.

Pregnant women - and those using certain forms of contraceptive - are known to naturally produce greater quantities of nandrolone, but in-depth tests of Karatantcheva's urine samples failed to find any evidence she was pregnant.

A decision is expected in January.

Martian Jeza
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:26 AM
And What's about Virenque? :lol:

He admited it but Armstrong will never ever admit it : big difference ;)

Laikade
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:26 AM
The same sources that tried to bring down Lance Armstrong? I find it hard to believe that France's athlete's are and have always been entirely clean.
Lance Armstrong has been very smart to talk about a conspiracy and the French being Anti-american and bla bla bla.. That's what lof of American medias wanted to hear: Bashing the French ... I hope that in a few years when the tension will be less strong, We'll know everything about Lance Armstrong. And lot of French athletes have been caught on doping too (Christophe Cheval, Richard Virenque, Patricia Girard, ...) and L'equipe was often the first to reveal their case. And don't forget they were the first to tell that Puerta was tested positive.



BTW Here is a link in English about Sesil failing the test (From Eurosport.uk)
http://www.eurosport.co.uk/home/pages/v4/l2/s57/e11507/sport_lng2_spo57_evt11507_sto804897.shtml


The 16-year-old is the third player to have tested positive for an illegal substance at the tournament in Paris after men's finalist Mariano Puerta - who expects a decision on his case this week - and doubles player Mariano Hood.

The 39th-world-ranked teenager - who eliminated Venus Williams in the third round of the tournament - faces a two-year ban if the tribunal decides to apply the WADA code.

Karatantcheva argues the abnormally high levels were due to the fact she was pregnant at the time, only to later suffer a miscarriage.

Pregnant women - and those using certain forms of contraceptive - are known to naturally produce greater quantities of nandrolone, but in-depth tests of Karatantcheva's urine samples failed to find any evidence she was pregnant.

A decision is expected in January.

LostGlory
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:28 AM
So she was the one and every one thought it was puerta.....poor girl, she is too young to do that , it must have been bad managment from the people around her...but pregnant at 15 wow.....

ClaudiaZ-S
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:29 AM
He admited it but Armstrong will never ever admit it : big difference ;)

like the major part of criminals :lol: ;)

-Em-
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:29 AM
stupid Sesil rather :o

15 years old :help:

And I thought she beat Venus because of her immense talent! :rolleyes:

looks like we all got punkd :p :tape:

RatedR Superstar
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:30 AM
So she was the one and every one thought it was puerta.....poor girl, she is too young to do that , it must have been bad managment from the people around her...but pregnant at 15 wow.....

thats what i thought too..WOW!

wateva
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:30 AM
oh my god... she's only 15 and she's pregnant? even if she was telling the truth (being pregnant), she deserves to be punished.

nouf
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:31 AM
Reportage Equipe tv on karatantcheva and doping

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2089/bscap12496yr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

download (http://nouf.tennisvidz.com/WTA/karatantcheva/sesildopage.mpeg)

Klurt
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:34 AM
oh my god... she's only 15 and she's pregnant? even if she was telling the truth (being pregnant), she deserves to be punished.
Whether she tells the truth or not, sounds to me she's screwed. :tape:

Nicjac
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:34 AM
So she was the one and every one thought it was puerta.....poor girl, she is too young to do that , it must have been bad managment from the people around her...but pregnant at 15 wow.....

Well, if it is cover up, maybe she should have used the beef excuse ...

On the other side she is known for her wild streak ...

©@®eLess
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:35 AM
I really hope it's not true, cause she is only 16 and a great talent. I heard this on Eurosport but here i read about her being pregnant- that is even worse. I really hope it's just a mix up.

Once again i say this kids start pro way to early- either this happens or they bet burn by injuries by the time they are only 20. WTA should do something about it. Instead of going who's gonna be a youngest grand slam champion ever, they should make that juniors can't play pro if they are younger then 17-18. Starting with 14-15 is just not normal.

Best of luck Sesil. Hope it isn't true!

Bubba08
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:35 AM
This story is unbelievable. :eek:

wateva
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:38 AM
i think it can be considered as statutory rape...

Blonde_Ambition7
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:41 AM
if i were here managers i would say it was from a contraceptive...not being pregnant! that's not really helping

Sharapova's_Boy
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:41 AM
Oh no Sesil...

crazillo
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:43 AM
Oh no. :sad: Bulgaria's hope besides Tzveti appears to do have done a mistake... I wonder why it never got to the press before though... Never expteced her to do that, really not. Would be curious to hear what Maggie says on that.

Tylane
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:44 AM
For once, she doesn't deny, she just explanes the presence of nandrolone byt the fact she was pregnant... :rolleyes:
And the doping test didn't reveal any pregnancy so it's not possible.

It's a shame a sport newspaper is the ONLY way to know who's doped in tennis !!!!

WHAT DO ATP AND WTA DO ?????????????????? :fiery:

fifiricci
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:46 AM
This whole event is very unfortunate, but can I say that I'm a tad shocked at how hard some of you are being on her for possibly getting pregnant (and I assume that many of you are teenagers yourselves). It happens for heaven's sake, even if precautions are taken, but some of you react as though she should be taken outside and stoned to death!!

If Sesil were to read some of the comments that have been made on here, facing the ITF in January will be a walk in the park compared to the prospect of coming face to face with some of you lot!

Good grief! :rolleyes:

Klurt
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:47 AM
WHAT DO ATP AND WTA DO ?????????????????? :fiery:
Well this is obviously not a 'good' tennis story, so you're not going to hear it from them....

Kart
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:47 AM
even if she was telling the truth (being pregnant), she deserves to be punished.

Punished for what - getting pregnant ?

Maria Croft
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:49 AM
OMG :eek:

And the pregnant part just makes it worse :tape:

coool
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:51 AM
http://focus-sport.net/news.php?news_id=1135069834221&PHPSESSID=2i5ifg393i9dqajnkdbl8u3rt0

Sesil Karatantcheva to Radio Gong: "I'm shocked. It's some kind of manipulation from the Frenchmen, who i have never had good relations with." Sesil said that she hasn't faced the ITF tribunal and she understood for the positive doping test today! Karatantcheva added that she is going to put in touch with Frenchmen and want explainations for the incorrect statement.

zarkobg
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:51 AM
Sesil says its a lie:
http://focus-sport.net/news.php?news_id=1135069834221

Klurt
Dec 20th, 2005, 08:55 AM
Oh now that would be sooooo stupid!!! How can L'Equipe put up a story like that without checking the facts! It's all over the European news right now!!

Tylane
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:00 AM
http://focus-sport.net/news.php?news_id=1135069834221&PHPSESSID=2i5ifg393i9dqajnkdbl8u3rt0

Sesil Karatantcheva to Radio Gong: "I'm shocked. It's some kind of manipulation from the Frenchmen, who i have never had good relations with." Sesil said that she hasn't faced the ITF tribunal and she understood for the positive doping test today! Karatantcheva added that she is going to put in touch with Frenchmen and want explainations for the incorrect statement.

Disguting. She's doped and she accuses Frenchmen ... she just tries to make like Armstrong, it's always mean French blablabla....

Martian Jeza
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:00 AM
http://focus-sport.net/news.php?news_id=1135069834221&PHPSESSID=2i5ifg393i9dqajnkdbl8u3rt0

Sesil Karatantcheva to Radio Gong: "I'm shocked. It's some kind of manipulation from the Frenchmen, who i have never had good relations with." Sesil said that she hasn't faced the ITF tribunal and she understood for the positive doping test today! Karatantcheva added that she is going to put in touch with Frenchmen and want explainations for the incorrect statement.

Bulgarian news : This is pretty normal they gonna defend her ;)

wipeout
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:02 AM
Guilty or not, she was only 15 whatever was going on and that's the most shocking thing of all. Saying it was pregnancy and now a conspiracy is just going to make it worse. If she said the people around her told her to do this, she'd get more sympathy as people are going to believe her as she's so young.

She'll only be 17 when the ban ends so it's not as if her career is totally ruined, she's just going to have to be a normal teenager for a while and come back as Coria did.

But possibly doping at 15... and to think others might have done it and got away with it. :o

Ceze
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:06 AM
Sesil! :eek:

Shonami Slam
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:06 AM
this is a bit too much for me, really.
i need tennis and now - cut the whole "too long season" bullshit - make it a 12 month calendar, and anyone can play whenever she want's.
when people have nothing to do, they start digging for dirt and i can't stand this anymore.
I'm too depressed anyway.

chantie
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:08 AM
How stupid can she be????????

DuLeafs
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:10 AM
Oh com on, people people people.

From the second I heard the french newspaper l'equipe published it first, I know this couldnt be true.

For crying out loud, its the same bloody newspaper who is publishing bullshit stories about Lance Armstrong had a positive test and I can go on and on...

Conclusion: L'equipe is full of bullshit :angel:

BONES08
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:12 AM
sHE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO PLAY JUNIOR EVENTS!

Tylane
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:14 AM
Oh com on, people people people.

From the second I heard the french newspaper l'equipe published it first, I know this couldnt be true.

For crying out loud, its the same bloody newspaper who is publishing bullshit stories about Lance Armstrong had a positive test and I can go on and on...

Conclusion: L'equipe is full of bullshit :angel:


But all they said about Armstrong is true.

Conclusion: Fortunatly L'Equipe exists.

DuLeafs
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:19 AM
But all they said about Armstrong is true.

Conclusion: Fortunatly L'Equipe exists.

Are u kidding me? I think 10% what they said about Armstrong was true... I think lotta British tabloids would be jealous at the publishing standards of this b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t paper :p

coool
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:20 AM
wait a sec...she understood about that case today and everything this newspaper wrote about her being in London and about the pregnancy is total bullshit

Klurt
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:24 AM
wait a sec...she understood about that case today and everything this newspaper wrote about her being in London and about the pregnancy is total bullshit
Yeah that's what I understood from your translation. I do not get it why L'Equipe is blowing this story out of proportions then. So she said she was informed about the positive drugs test?

Tylane
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:24 AM
Are u kidding me? I think 10% what they said about Armstrong was true... I think lotta British tabloids would be jealous at the publishing standards of this b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t paper :p

I use to read l'Equipe, not you, everybody knows this is one of the best sport newspapers. Nothing to see with tabloids. Sorry. I know you don't want to believe the truth. It's like children with afather christmas... don't worry, one day u'll accept it.

spudrsca
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:26 AM
Oh com on, people people people.

From the second I heard the french newspaper l'equipe published it first, I know this couldnt be true.

For crying out loud, its the same bloody newspaper who is publishing bullshit stories about Lance Armstrong had a positive test and I can go on and on...

Conclusion: L'equipe is full of bullshit :angel:

No, it's the truth, the same for Puerta and Mariano Hood.
And Armstrong he was caught in a doping test in 99 for corticoïdes use and escaped it when the doctors said it was because of a cream for ass problems and anti dated a doctor's prescription. But the UCI have protected him because you must give the doctor's prescription before the doping control and not after.
And I don't know how you can believe that someone can be much better after having a cancer in advanced state without having heavy doping.
Many cyclists are medicine's cobaye.
Lance worked with Dr Ferrari who is known as one of the best doctor with all things related to the blood.

Mike_T
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:27 AM
So she’s claiming someone breadsticked her bagel, resulting in a bun in the oven? Sounds like a half baked excuse.

pigam
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:27 AM
can someone please give some more clear info about sesil's reaction to all this.
surely this can not be "only invented" by l'equipe. this is just impossible, no?

DuLeafs
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:28 AM
I use to read l'Equipe, not you, everybody knows this is one of the best sport newspapers. Nothing to see with tabloids. Sorry. I know you don't want to believe the truth. It's like children with afather christmas... don't worry, one day u'll accept it.

So you are one of them who are easy to think that everything they write is true? I've knowledge about newspapers worldwide, and I know more than enough about this newspaper.

There, some is true in L'equipe, what is most shocking is not true imo, specially when its about something happened like almost 10 months ago, then I know more than enough to draw my conclusions...

Tylane
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:29 AM
Laisse tomber spudrsca, on vit dans un monde parallèle, dans lequel les coupables sont les victimes et les dénonciateurs d'horribles menteurs. Leur naiveté doit leur jouer bien des tours...

fOxYLiCiOuS
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:30 AM
http://smileys.******************/cat/10/10_3_1v.gif

DuLeafs
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:30 AM
No, it's the truth, the same for Puerta and Mariano Hood.
And Armstrong he was caught in a doping test in 99 for corticoïdes use and escaped it when the doctors said it was because of a cream for ass problems and anti dated a doctor's prescription. But the UCI have protected him because you must give the doctor's prescription before the doping control and not after.
And I don't know how you can believe that someone can be much better after having a cancer in advanced state without having heavy doping.
Many cyclists are medicine's cobaye.
Lance worked with Dr Ferrari who is known as one of the best doctor with all things related to the blood.

U dont 'escape' if your doping test is positive, not even if you win 7 Tours.

Tylane
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:31 AM
So you are one of them who are easy to think that everything they write is true? I've knowledge about newspapers worldwide, and I know more than enough about this newspaper.

There, some is true in L'equipe, what is most shocking is not true imo, specially when its about something happened like almost 10 months ago, then I know more than enough to draw my conclusions...

I'm just much more realist than you about doping.
If we believe all "victims" of doping accusations, doping doesn't exist, because they ALL deny the facts. So dopins exist only in the imagination of some newspapers...

améliemomo
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:31 AM
l'Equipe is not a bullshit wallpaper.If they annunce doping cases its because they have proofs.And about karatancheva,it doesnt smell good at all.

marion
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:33 AM
u will see that its truth for karatancheva because she said in london (last week ) to itf that she took something so its no the problem because she say yes but the problem is why she took it.Karatancheva said because she had a baby but the sientifics will see but they think that its not possible
sorry for KARATANCHEVA because BEFORE I liked her
simply realist....

Tylane
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:34 AM
Anyway they have the proofs, not the tests with them, so the WTa will annonce it later (too late according to me) and everybody will agree.

DuLeafs
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:35 AM
Quite surprising only French posters believe what L'equipe is writing is 100% true :rolleyes:

Tylane
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:37 AM
u will see that its truth for karatancheva because she said in london (last week ) to itf that she took something so its no the problem because she say yes but the problem is why she took it.Karatancheva said because she had a baby but the sientifics will see but they think that its not possible
sorry for KARATANCHEVA because BEFORE I liked her
simply realist....

Yes, she doesn't deny the test, she just explanes nandrolone's presence cos of her pregnancy.
And the pregnancy test was negative...

Poor defense.

Pengttaya
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:38 AM
How can she l'escape from this one? :tape: :sesil:

Tylane
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:39 AM
Quite surprising only French posters believe what L'equipe is writing is 100% true :rolleyes:

No, only a few posters like you don't believe them.
U'll feel a bit uspset when u'll learn the truth.

-Em-
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:39 AM
oh my god... she's only 15 and she's pregnant? even if she was telling the truth (being pregnant), she deserves to be punished.

WHAT??? if it turns out she took dope she should be punished, no doubt, but if it's true what she says, then what do you want to punish her for? having sex at the age of 15? :rolleyes:

Laikade
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:40 AM
l'Equipe is not a bullshit wallpaper.If they annunce doping cases its because they have proofs.And about karatancheva,it doesnt smell good at all.
Lance Armstrong propaganda was very efficient it seems .. Now there are really lot of people who believe that L'equipe is like an ordinary tabloid while this is probably the most serious sport newspaper in the world (with lot of investigation which explain why they are often the first to make revelations).. Anyway like with Puerta, we just have to wait. In about a month people will see if L'equipe is like a Tabloid.. ;)
I'm sorry for Sesil, she's so young, maybe it's not her direct fault..

Laikade
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:41 AM
Quite surprising only French posters believe what L'equipe is writing is 100% true :rolleyes:
Because we know what L'equipe is...

Stamp Paid
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:42 AM
Gadammm!

-Em-
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:42 AM
This whole event is very unfortunate, but can I say that I'm a tad shocked at how hard some of you are being on her for possibly getting pregnant (and I assume that many of you are teenagers yourselves). It happens for heaven's sake, even if precautions are taken, but some of you react as though she should be taken outside and stoned to death!!

If Sesil were to read some of the comments that have been made on here, facing the ITF in January will be a walk in the park compared to the prospect of coming face to face with some of you lot!

Good grief! :rolleyes:

:worship:

Ceze
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:42 AM
U dont 'escape' if your doping test is positive, not even if you win 7 Tours.Unfortunately Marco, I think it's possible for some people... corruption and scheming are everywhere :o
But we will see for Sesil, I hope it's a mistake :sad:

tennisrox
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:43 AM
i really think shes an idiot what does this drug do for you anyway

Its an anabolic steroid.Athletes use it to increase muscle growth,and bone density.But,its also normally found in the body,and excreted in minute quantities.

I'd wait for the outcome before jumping on Sesil.Sometimes Nandrolone is excreted in the urine in higher quantities than normal in case of hard excercise and high-protien diets.Far-fetched,but you never know.

Its one of the most commonly used,and most infamous of banned substances.If Sesil did in fact use it,then whoever is looking after her is a complete idiot. :o
I'm willing to wait for the outcome,before denouncing sesil though.

arn
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:44 AM
What a mixed up story...

As long as not declared guilty, I will go with K's story. Time will tell the thruth (hopefully). But it does not look good for her :(

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:46 AM
THIS is bullshit.. no way sesil is innocent no way shes getting banned for 2 years no way.
:bigcry:

isabel_aussie
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:46 AM
Is on the English news too now: Apparently Sesil said that l'Equipe are trying to mar her name or something, and that it's just a huge misunderstanding, and she always had probs with the French (don't have links but go on google and type in her name and all this come up on the news)

Sevenseas
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:47 AM
WHAT!?!??!? I simply cannot believe this!!! :eek:

I didn't expect this from her, if it is true!!! :o :eek:

Ceze
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:47 AM
THIS is bullshit.. no way sesil is innocent no way shes getting banned for 2 years no way.
:bigcry::hug: I really hope she's innocent :sad:

MLF
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:48 AM
If it's true, and most likely it is, then it's a shame. Sesil was a 15 year old girl at the time so I'm certain that it's her entourage who would have been behind this doping . Having seen them at the Amanda Janes match at Wimbledon I wouldn't be surprised - most of them were built like tanks. However, I guess it's wiser to wait for confirmation from other sources too before all the finger pointing.

Nandrolone, for anyone wondering, increases muscle mass and physical strength, that's why I was a bit surprised to hear that's the one Sesil is being accused of using. It can appear pretty similar to testosterone in the body.

LostGlory
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:48 AM
oh my god... she's only 15 and she's pregnant? even if she was telling the truth (being pregnant), she deserves to be punished.

PUNISHED FOR BEING PREGNANT AT 15 OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS NOW???

Dementinator
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:49 AM
oh deary me ,but wait ,this could all be total bollocks!

isabel_aussie
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:49 AM
PUNISHED FOR BEING PREGNANT AT 15 OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS NOW???
She shouldn't be punished, but if that were the case, someone should be taking care of her more!! She's just a kid!

Tylane
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:50 AM
Is on the English news too now: Apparently Sesil said that l'Equipe are trying to mar her name or something, and that it's just a huge misunderstanding, and she always had probs with the French (don't have links but go on google and type in her name and all this come up on the news)

Yes, yes, of course, French decided to stop her carrier, they don't like her, and she's too strong, she can beat the french players... wow she's ver unlucky, Sesil.
Or maybe it's just racism, in France we don't like Bulgarians.

:lol:

spudrsca
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:50 AM
PUNISHED FOR BEING PREGNANT AT 15 OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS NOW???

Can you read?
She's not pregnant, it's just a poor explanation of her saying she was pregnant at that time without knowing it and that's why according to her she had nandrolon in her urine.

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:52 AM
it aaint true sesil isnt this type of girl anyway..

améliemomo
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:55 AM
Yes, yes, of course, French decided to stop her carrier, they don't liek her, and she's too strong, she can beat the french players...

hehe the Good against the French Evil!lol!wake up and make your own opinion.

isabel_aussie
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:56 AM
Yes, yes, of course, French decided to stop her carrier, they don't like her, and she's too strong, she can beat the french players... wow she's ver unlucky, Sesil.
Or maybe it's just racism, in France we don't like Bulgarians.

:lol:
I dunno, whichever is true (that she doped, that she's pregnant, that this is a lie) I feel sorry for her, cuz she seems to have been manipulated.

And I'm inclined to believe that this isn't all going to be a lie, there must be some truth. l'Equipe couldn't just fabricate something out of thin air, there are such things as libel laws, etc.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:58 AM
Can you read?
She's not pregnant, it's just a poor explanation of her saying she was pregnant at that time without knowing it and that's why according to her she had nandrolon in her urine.

I didn't know that scientist could find out about a women being pregnant months after their pregnancy happened.
If that really was the case wouldn't u think that these women who abandon their babies in trash bins or bathroom would be caught more.
It would probably make sense to use this technology on possibly real criminals not 15 year old children who people question where she's getting all this power from.

tennisrox
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:58 AM
Can you read?
She's not pregnant, it's just a poor explanation of her saying she was pregnant at that time without knowing it and that's why according to her she had nandrolon in her urine.

Sounds like a poorly thought out cover-up to me.She should have said she was on the Pill.It would have sounded more believable.There was no evidence of a pregnancy,and a miscarriage would be detectable for quite a while.
The people who are managing her sound like complete idiots. :rolleyes:
I don't blame sesil for this.She is too young to understand too much about banned substances,and how to use them and get away with it.I blame her handlers.

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 09:59 AM
I dunno, whichever is true (that she doped, that she's pregnant, that this is a lie) I feel sorry for her, cuz she seems to have been manipulated.

And I'm inclined to believe that this isn't all going to be a lie, there must be some truth. l'Equipe couldn't just fabricate something out of thin air, there are such things as libel laws, etc.
no way the pregnant part is true how can she have sex without knowing she had sex..?

SpikeyAidanm
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:01 AM
So was she using it for the whole tournament?

tennisrox
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:02 AM
no way the pregnant part is true how can she have sex without knowing she had sex..?

How can it be true,when the tests came up negative?Her handlers have messed up here.

Greenout
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:02 AM
Is on the English news too now: Apparently Sesil said that l'Equipe are trying to mar her name or something, and that it's just a huge misunderstanding, and she always had probs with the French (don't have links but go on google and type in her name and all this come up on the news)


:lol:

She's got to be joking! I watched RG, and followed it from beginning to end- along with the france2 coverage on the web, for obvious reasons. And let me tell you the French tv coverage on Sesil was very, very adoring. No way- did they show any displeasure at her.

Go to France 2.
http://sport.france2.fr/tennis/rolandgarros/2005/

Where's any so called "dislike of Sesil" here?

nicky
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:04 AM
Quite surprising only French posters believe what L'equipe is writing is 100% true :rolleyes:

Sorry, not only french posters... :p
L'Equipe has quite a good reputation as a sports paper. If they run this story, they have a good source.

But I don't believe in 100% truth - no newspaper is capable of that, if only because some facts can always be interpreted. :shrug:

Louis Cyphre
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:05 AM
She had to go to London last week to defend herself in front of the ITF and they will make a decision in January.


According to Sesil she wasnt in "London last week to defend herself in front of the ITF " and that today she hears for the first time about that doping scandal :tape: So if L'équipe lies :fiery: ...but if not :sad: We`ll see

wateva
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:06 AM
she should be punished as 15 is not a good age to have a baby. whether she had protection or not. she does not have the ability and mentality to raise a child.

isabel_aussie
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:06 AM
Well anyway... We don't have Eurosport in Aus so I dunno what the real story with Sesil and the French is, but who knows...

I guess we should reserve judgement till we get official confirmation... from the WTA or suchlike.

Btw, am I right in thinking that is Sesil were to be banned for this, she'd be the first woman t get banned for doping??

isabel_aussie
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:07 AM
she should be punished as 15 is not a good age to have a baby. whether she had protection or not. she does not have the ability and mentality to raise a child.
I don't think punished, rather advised, and helped!

Pengttaya
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:09 AM
Well anyway... We don't have Eurosport in Aus so I dunno what the real story with Sesil and the French is, but who knows...

I guess we should reserve judgement till we get official confirmation... from the WTA or suchlike.

Btw, am I right in thinking that is Sesil were to be banned for this, she'd be the first woman t get banned for doping??

There was a thread somewhere not long ago abuot this, the starter also heard about this myseterious WTA star who has been found to be doping and there were some names in that thread, I think L.d. Lino was one of them for cocaine

Nicjac
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:10 AM
According to Sesil she wasnt in "London last week to defend herself in front of the ITF " and that today she hears for the first time about that doping scandal :tape: So if L'équipe lies :fiery: ...but if not :sad: We`ll see

That is the point. And she had to respond to the accusations.

But it would be even worse is she first lied to the judges (I miscarried, but my body says I didn't) and now telling anyone she never went to London and never heard about the pregnancy defense before.

THAN she'd be finished. Stupid advisors, stupid advisor, stupid ....

nouf
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:11 AM
article equipe 20/12/05 on sesil

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/3995/equipesesildopage5ut.th.jpg (http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?image=equipesesildopage5ut.jpg)

DuLeafs
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:11 AM
According to Sesil she wasnt in "London last week to defend herself in front of the ITF " and that today she hears for the first time about that doping scandal :tape: So if L'équipe lies :fiery: ...but if not :sad: We`ll see

Evgeni, thank you :worship: I am hearing now more and more confirmations about the bullshitting of L'equipe...

isabel_aussie
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:14 AM
There was a thread somewhere not long ago abuot this, the starter also heard about this myseterious WTA star who has been found to be doping and there were some names in that thread, I think L.d. Lino was one of them for cocaine
Lourdes Dominguez Lino? But nothing came of it I guess... (can't even remember her playing at the French to be honest, but I'm sure she did!)

wateva
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:17 AM
I don't think punished, rather advised, and helped!
sorry. maybe i used the wrong word there...:o

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:18 AM
she should be punished as 15 is not a good age to have a baby. whether she had protection or not. she does not have the ability and mentality to raise a child.
how do you even know this is true..? you can't be too sure about this.

:sad:

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:19 AM
Evgeni, thank you :worship: I am hearing now more and more confirmations about the bullshitting of L'equipe...
yeah.. how can people beleive this anyway?

nouf
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:19 AM
how do you even know this is true..? you can't be too sure about this.

:sad:

i met her she is nice but not mature!

Tylane
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:21 AM
Evgeni, thank you :worship: I am hearing now more and more confirmations about the bullshitting of L'equipe...

You hear Sesil's confirmation, it's 100 ¨true... :lol:

ClaudiaZ-S
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:22 AM
Miss K is probably out of RG and other french events :eek:

jrm
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:22 AM
If it's true i don't have A BIT OF SYMPATHY for her!!!

Louis Cyphre
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:23 AM
I`m sure that a lot of you guys if you read that Sesil is see monster with 3 heads coming from another planet,probably Mars,have at least 4 children and her father is a murderer and he with Sesil eat people ...you will believe that
Good luck to your faves players vs Sesil but I dont think that will help against that "monster" :lol:

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:23 AM
i met her she is nice but not mature!
not mature in wat way?

nouf
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:25 AM
no she is nice girls and funny! :-)

but i think she was affraid to met venus maybe she wanted help! :-/

DuLeafs
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:25 AM
I`m sure that a lot of you guys if you read that Sesil is see monster with 3 heads coming from another planet,probably Mars,have at least 4 children and her father is a murderer and he with Sesil eat people ...you will believe that
Good luck to your faves players vs Sesil but I dont think that will help against that "monster" :lol:

:lol:

tennisrox
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:26 AM
i met her she is nice but not mature!

I think so too.She is a nice girl,but she has her head in the clouds.There's nothing wrong in that,but feel that she is too easy to manipulate.She is not mature at all.Easy pickings for a money-hungry sleaze. :(

nouf
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:28 AM
not mature in wat way?

:cool:

its my opinion! child character!

i met sesil after nicole and i saw difference

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:29 AM
well shes only a teen;) shes not supposed to be mature:p:p

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:30 AM
:cool:

its my opinion! child character!

i met sesil after nicole and i saw difference
maybe nicole talks like a grandma then offcourse sesil willb e immature compared to her:p
no offense;)

nouf
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:31 AM
yes but she is nice girl! lol

http://albumtennis.online.fr/albums/Roland_Garros_2005/karatantcheva_Sesil/sesil.jpg

to people think i am a lier! i met sesil! lol

tennisrox
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:31 AM
:cool:

its my opinion! child character!

i met sesil after nicole and i saw difference

The strange part is that Nicole comes off as an immature child on the court,but off it she sounds a lot more mature.Really,quite a nice girl.Not the Diva she is made out to be :)

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:33 AM
You gotta watch out for the ones that look like men i.e. Karantcheva, Kuznetsova and Mauresmo. No offense to the fans, but if they're so doped up, its not even funny. But seriously, so many of those tennis players are full of steroids its sad, im kinda loosing respect for the game...I bet if we knew all the dopers, there would be plenty more shocks. No player is free from scrutiny..

Although this case is particularly shocking, because shes 15 and shes either a druggie or pregnant...
im not offended or anything but, SeSIL lookd like a man?

babolat-blast
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:35 AM
The excuse of being pregnant is quite stupid actually. It might explain the nandrolon, but there is an easy and very good test to find out if a woman is pregnant also. Who gave her that idea?

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:37 AM
I have to say, a little. But thats just my opinion.
yeah its just ur opinion and i respect ur opinion

matthias
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:37 AM
why does it take so long to get public?

now i feel really sorry for Venus

basset
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:38 AM
poor sesil? are you nuts? she is rather very STUPID than poor if it is true..
she should be banned from the game for the rest of her life. adios sesil...

The Kaz
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:38 AM
Article from Eurosport...

Karatantcheva failed Roland dope test

Rising star Sesil Karatantcheva tested positive for the banned substance nandrolone at this year's French Open, it was revealed on Tuesday. The Bulgarian faced a ITF tribunal last week after failing a drug test following her quarter-final defeat to Elena Likhotseva at Roland Garros last June.



Seles opens door for comeback
KARANTCHEVA: "I'm just a normal 16-year old teenager"

The 16-year-old is the third player to have tested positive for an illegal substance at the tournament in Paris after men's finalist Mariano Puerta - who expects a decision on his case this week - and doubles player Mariano Hood.

The 39th-world-ranked teenager - who eliminated Venus Williams in the third round of the tournament - faces a two-year ban if the tribunal decides to apply the WADA code.

Karatantcheva argues the abnormally high levels were due to the fact she was pregnant at the time, only to later suffer a miscarriage.

Pregnant women - and those using certain forms of contraceptive - are known to naturally produce greater quantities of nandrolone, but in-depth tests of Karatantcheva's urine samples failed to find any evidence she was pregnant.

A decision is expected in January.

manu32
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:38 AM
it's certainly true and the ridiculous argument of "pregnancy" is a poor and bad defense.....it's so easy to prove .....and pregnancy increases feminine hormons especially and not male like steroids.....
it's logical that doping is not only for men players and wta was very "light" during a lot of years....but now they have to respect and apply international rules to stay a credible organization....
karatantcheva is probably not the only player doped but others don't use drugs in GS
tournies...

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:38 AM
poor sesil? are you nuts? she is rather very STUPID than poor if it is true..
she should be banned from the game for the rest of her life. adios sesil...
banned for life shes just a kid..

Crazy Canuck
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:39 AM
yeah its just ur opinion and i respect ur opinion
That's very big of you, because I don't. If Ems thinks that Sesil looks like a man, girl needs her eyes checked. Sesil walked right by me at the USO and I failed to see any stereotypically "masculine" features ... either physically or facially.

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:40 AM
why does it take so long to get public?

now i feel really sorry for Venus
if its true then i feel sorry for venus too even though sesil is my faivorite..

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:40 AM
The strange part is that Nicole comes off as an immature child on the court,but off it she sounds a lot more mature.Really,quite a nice girl.Not the Diva she is made out to be :)

I agree I met Nicole and she's very very mature for her age.
I wasn't too shocked. Nicole is going to be a good addition to the tour for years to come. Sesil seems more like a rebel. I don't think she'll be listening to Larry Scott or tournament directors that much. Which is fine, I have no problem with that. She's just hurting her fanbase.

I don't think she should be punished for that possibly though. Different personalities make the tour what it is.

Crazy Canuck
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:40 AM
banned for life shes just a kid..
Indeed. If this is true (and I sincerely hope it is not!), it's very sad and I fail to understand how anybody who has a clue how the tennis world works could blame her and her alone for her actions.

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:41 AM
That's very big of you, because I don't. If Ems thinks that Sesil looks like a man, girl needs her eyes checked. Sesil walked right by me at the USO and I failed to see any stereotypically "masculine" features ... either physically or facially.
well i dont think sesil looks like a guy too.. but well u know some people...

Louis Cyphre
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:41 AM
I have to say, a little. But thats just my opinion.
Noone can compare with you :p
Now about the "doping"

From Bulgarian Tennis Federation :
"We will never recieved an information from ITF or WADA (world antidoping association) about possitive dopping test of Sesil Karatancheva."
Is it strange ?

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:42 AM
and as usual people are shooting the pianist!

'l Equipe is a decent newspaper and has always been hard on doping. People here make it seem as if it's a tabloid that's just making things up and that it's always focussing on foreigners.

A) 'l Equipe has exposed many French athletes
B) 'l Equipe usually has good sources and won't publish unless they know for certain. They had plenty of evidence in the Armstrong case, but because they were B samples (A samples had been used in the original testing), Armstrong got off on a 'technicality'. It's like taking a picture of someone stealing and the thief getting away with it because a picture can't be used as evidence. I do agree that 'l Equipe went a real witch hunt in Armstrong's case, but that's to be expected, I guess. All cyclists dope! So that includes Armstrong. Don't attack the messenger because you don't like the message.

Another thing I notice is that people here don't seem to know much about doping. These days, muscle builders aren't used that much, it's mainly drugs to improve the fitness, oxigen flow, etc and those don't have the side effects you get from muscle builders (like looking like a man). So don't judge a player by her appearance.

vutt
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:42 AM
I think it's good for wtaworld.com. Finally legit reason for bashing someone.

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:42 AM
this whole story is fuked up evgeni.. i dont get it now.

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:43 AM
well l'equipe cant be right about everything u know.

Crazy Canuck
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:44 AM
Im not gonna go into it, but different people have different tastes. To me she looks manly. Thats it.
Then I'd hate to see what you consider feminine. My male friend nearly fell over when she walked by... and again when I gagged and told him how old she was :lol:

-Em-
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:46 AM
she should be punished as 15 is not a good age to have a baby. whether she had protection or not. she does not have the ability and mentality to raise a child.

what? :eek: i think you're the one who's on dope in here :rolleyes:

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:46 AM
I didn't know that scientist could find out about a women being pregnant months after their pregnancy happened.
If that really was the case wouldn't u think that these women who abandon their babies in trash bins or bathroom would be caught more.
It would probably make sense to use this technology on possibly real criminals not 15 year old children who people question where she's getting all this power from.

Well, if the urine sample was taken at the time when she was pregnant, it really doesn't take earth shattering new technology to find out.

Also, it really isn't hard for a doctor to see if a woman has given birth or not. So should they catch a woman they suspect of leaving her baby, they can easily check if she's given birth in the past few months or not. Again, this doesn't take new technology at all.

The Kaz
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:46 AM
She won't be banned for life :rolleyes: max is 2 years and she'll be 18 then and more mature (about drugs) ONLY 18! remember...might do her good...you never know :)
Its NOT the grand catastrophe everyone is implying. ;)

Renaissance
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:48 AM
L'Equipe is a serious newspaper,they only report scientific conclusion.

Armstrong was a cheater and Sesil is too...there are material evidence:the drug test are positives for both.
Even Dick Pound the president of the Ama denounced the case of Armstrong.

These tests were administrated by the Chatenay Malabry laboratory which is the most efficient laboratory in matter of dopping in the world.

Nobody knows Sesil in France,Frenchmen don't care about her she is egocentric.

Louis Cyphre
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:48 AM
this whole story is fuked up evgeni.. i dont get it now.
Well thats not so bad ;) It means that Sesil,even at 16, is a big name at the woman tennis and if you make a shocking story about her it will sale you newspaper :drool: Anyways I know that Sesil is N1 and this "doping" shit means nothing to me ;)

améliemomo
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:49 AM
Noone can compare with you :p
Now about the "doping"

From Bulgarian Tennis Federation :
"We will never recieved an information from ITF or WADA (world antidoping association) about possitive dopping test of Sesil Karatancheva."
Is it strange ?

the argentinian federation said the same against puerta.He will be judged and in few hours we will know what he will get.

*Jool*
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:49 AM
:help:

Chris 84
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:49 AM
I think that we should all reserve judgement until the facts are know....at the moment, we don't know what to believe :shrug:

matthias
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:53 AM
KARANTCHEVA: "I'm just a normal 16-year old teenager"




i didn´t know that it is normal for 16yrs old teenager to use doping

Dementinator
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:55 AM
oh deary me ,but wait ,this could all be total bollocks!


damn seems not to be bollocks afterall ,thats a shame indeed ,I do sympathise with her fans ,not a nice thing to be going thru at all ,but wait and see what happens first.

Whos the arsehole who said she looked like a man? I want names and adresses! on the bridge in the next 30 mins ,what a load of tosh ,she looks as much like a man as I look like Angelina Jolie ,and trust me on this ,I certainly dont!

Well I hope it proves to be an error or something ,I really do ,I am no Sesil fan per se ,but she is a character all right and good for the tour....

Dinkie
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:56 AM
I didn't know that scientist could find out about a women being pregnant months after their pregnancy happened.
If that really was the case wouldn't u think that these women who abandon their babies in trash bins or bathroom would be caught more.
It would probably make sense to use this technology on possibly real criminals not 15 year old children who people question where she's getting all this power from.

According to the article, they found out she was NOT pregnant by testing the same urine they collected during Roland Garros for the dope test. And no mather what age, if you are a professional athlete, you should know better anyway.

L'Equipe is usually well informed even if the news smells like gossip. They pay big bucks for hot news so the not-so-tight-lipped will always find their reporters. Armstrong was doped in 1999, new technique, lab-prove. Don't blame the French, they loved Sesil on RG.

Tylane
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:58 AM
i didn´t know that it is normal for 16yrs old teenager to use doping

She doesn't say she used doping, she was just pregnant, that's true it's normal for a teenager.
I think she should shut up, that's the best defense for her.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2005, 10:59 AM
Well, if the urine sample was taken at the time when she was pregnant, it really doesn't take earth shattering new technology to find out.

Also, it really isn't hard for a doctor to see if a woman has given birth or not. So should they catch a woman they suspect of leaving her baby, they can easily check if she's given birth in the past few months or not. Again, this doesn't take new technology at all.

Who's to say that the urine sample happened at the time when she was pregnant.
She didn't play for two months before the French Open. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that if she got pregnant it might have been during that time.
Remember these doping test never happen on a monthly basis. Players who are suspected of possible doping are tested more and other are tested on an average.
I know that a doctor can check if a women has given birth in th past few months. I said scientist, to specify lab scientist.
I didn't know they could do the same thing to a miscarriage months after it happened. I thought that the body after expelling what it thought to be "damaged" goods would then go back to the process of usual menstruation. Well not immediately but 3-4 weeks after the miscarriage is typical. After HcG levels have dropped to 0.
So it is plausible that maybe she got pregnant in March, had a miscarriage in April while she was off the tour and then when back to her usual cycle in May. The end and out of the tour can easily produce a miscarriage.

I'm just trying to find out what hormone was off that made these scientist believe she wasn't pregnant.

rand
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:01 AM
But we should keep in mind it comes from L'Équipe which has accused Lance Armstrong on many occasions and they never got anywhere with him.

I still tend to believe what they write though.
armstrong? all experts are at the moment still sure l'equipe was right, the reasons armstrong can't be charged have nothing to do with the veracity of the accusations, but with "the rights of the defendant' (they can't take a counterexpertise....), armstrong is guilty as hell....

tennisrox
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:01 AM
I agree I met Nicole and she's very very mature for her age.
I wasn't too shocked. Nicole is going to be a good addition to the tour for years to come. Sesil seems more like a rebel. I don't think she'll be listening to Larry Scott or tournament directors that much. Which is fine, I have no problem with that. She's just hurting her fanbase.

I don't think she should be punished for that possibly though. Different personalities make the tour what it is.

She is not being punished for that.Her boastfulness is harmless.She is being punished for this doping thing.

I think Nicole is a bit misunderstood.She gets emontional on the court,but under all that she is quite mature for her age.More mature than a lot of 16year olds I can think of.I'm not a huge fan of her game,but I do like her as a person,from what little i've seen.I think most of the young stars are actually more mature than sesil,because most of them have had a hard time getting sponsors,coaching,and such.

As for Sesil,I feel bad for her.She's just a kid,and I very much doubt she even knows what she is doing(the pregnancy excuse was completely idiotic!).Too much money too soon,and too much of an ego.In a way, this doping thing could be good for her.It'll take her down a few pegs,and realise she has a long way to go to reach the higher levels of the game.She has an awful lot of work to do to make anything of her talent,and hardship will make her realise it.Messing around,and empty boasts will not get her anywhere.I've heard that her dad is the regular money-hungry type,so i'm not surprised at all this rubbish.

Hant11
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:04 AM
very bad news :sad: sesil was one on my favourite player

i see her in roland garros and she was very nice with fans

Klurt
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:08 AM
Just done a short read-up on nandrolon.
Nandrolon (an anabolic steroid) can be used as doping to prevent tissue-decay after intensive training sessions, or to recover more quickly from it.
There have been many people in the past years that have tested positive on nandrolon, Dutch soccer players like Frank de Boer, Edgar Davids, Jaap Stam, athletes like Linford Christie, Merlene Ottey, Dieter Baumann, cyclists like Laurent Desbiens, Jacky Durant.
Many of these however were not convicted because:
- the human body produces nandrolon itself in small amounts. The values of these self-produced levels of nandrolon can vary from person to person.
- there can be nandrolon-like substances, or substances that are transferred to hormones in the human body, in dietary supplements that sporters often use. These can mess up the test results.
- nandrolon can also be found in other types of food, for instance in non-castrated male pigs. (boars)
So it's not easy to convict someone, because obviously it must be clear that the athlete has deliberately used the drug.

This just for some extra info. We'll see how the story continues.

saki
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:09 AM
I can't believe the lack of reading comprehension from half the people here.

Drugs were found in her urine sample. She claimed that at that time she was pregnant and later miscarried. You can test the same urine sample for evidence of pregnancy. She wasn't pregant. She isn't pregnant. Chances are that was what her coach/parents/whatever told her to say to try and get her off.

And, as for punishing her for being pregant - not that she is - WTF? That's just weird.

I hope she has the strength of character to see this through. A 15 year old's career shouldn't be ruined by a single mistake.

Billabong
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:11 AM
:eek: Sesil:eek:

Dinkie
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:11 AM
Well thats not so bad ;) It means that Sesil,even at 16, is a big name at the woman tennis and if you make a shocking story about her it will sale you newspaper

That would make sense if she is French since L'Equipe is French but she's Bulgarian, who gives a shit.

Denaon
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:12 AM
I'm sorry, I just cannot buy Sesil with 15 years taking anything.....

matthias
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:16 AM
Karatancheva a big name :confused:

did i miss anything?

Xian
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:16 AM
well....... hmmmm....... well :tape:

rand
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:16 AM
U dont 'escape' if your doping test is positive, not even if you win 7 Tours.
of course you do, that's what happening with armstongs case: the research is still going on, but before it started they already stated they couldn't punish aqrmstrong whether he was positive or not...

Renaissance
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:23 AM
of course you do, that's what happening with armstongs case: the research is still going on, but before it started they already stated they couldn't punish aqrmstrong whether he was positive or not...
There are material evidence for Armstrong...drug tests.In France we have the principle of "presomption d' innocence",you cannot be accused if there is no a piece of evidence against you.L'Equipe only revealed the drug tests which were made by scientists so we can accused Armstrong of being a cheater.

coool
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:26 AM
http://sportni.bg/?tid=40&oid=819341

Sesil Karatantcheva:" I was shocked when i understood about that today. If it is true they should have informed me first but i haven't received anything. I really don't know if it is some kind of mistake." Karatantcheva said that L'Equipe doesn't have very positive opinion on her and they keep her on eye long ago.
"Im not in good relations with them from the start of my career. I wont be surprised if the want to dirty my name through the worts way"
"I was shocked at first but now i feel calm. At the moment im going for a training because i train hard for AO. I'm going to Australia just after New Year."

SilK
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:28 AM
:shrug: I say, innocent until proven guilty...

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:31 AM
Who's to say that the urine sample happened at the time when she was pregnant.


Because in that case it's completely irrelevant to the doping allegations. Sesil came up with the pregnant excuse to explain for the high doses of nandrolon in her urine sample. So if she was no longer pregnant when the sample was taken, she'd no longer have an excuse for the high nandrolon levels.

In any case, Saki's right. It's all very simple. Sesil was probably told by her advisers to come up with that excuse and it's been proven false. End of story.

rand
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:32 AM
There are material evidence for Armstrong...drug tests.In France we have the principle of "presomption d' innocence",you cannot be accused if there is no a piece of evidence against you.L'Equipe only revealed the drug tests which were made by scientists so we can accused Armstrong of being a cheater.
yes I know ;) notice the "0" on my avatar symbolizing the number of tour de france he won ;)

the evidence was legit, what they are researching is if it was done properly :)

tenn_ace
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:35 AM
oh my.... doping is such a small problem in this mess :eek:

Penglover
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:38 AM
shame on her to have done that... poor Serena in FO :mad: :banghead:

Bye Bye to her Tennis Career. :lol:

At least Peng is as pure as water :angel:

hwanmig
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:38 AM
If this is true the sure thing is Sesil did not just decide one day to inject herself with nandralone. The ones who manage put her in this fiasco.


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Klurt
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:44 AM
OK... to summarize:
L'Equipe:
- Prints a story about Sesil Karatantcheva claiming she was tested positive on Nandrolon at Roland Garros. And saying she went to London in front of 3 ITF officials to discuss the case, where she allegedly said she was (not-knowingly) pregnant at the time of the drugs test and later on had a miscarriage.

Sesil Karatantcheva:
- 'This is the first time I hear about this'. 'I am going to train now'.

So. I do not see how both stories can be right. One of them is lying. Who? :confused:

Experimentee
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:48 AM
There must be so much pressure on the young girls these days if even 15 year olds feel they have to take drugs to win :(
If Sesil is guilty she deserves the full punishment, and she is a very stupid girl either way, whether the positive test was because of drug taking or pregnancy.

Alenyaa
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:49 AM
I agree with what many others said: I find it hard to believe that IF Sesil indeed used banned substances, she decided to do so all by herself. She must have been pressured by people in her entourage. She indeed still is very young and therefore easy to manipulate. Although it remains a stupid decision in the end, if she really is guilty.
But I just hope she is innocent, that indeed there has been made a mistake somewhere. Only time will tell. For now I'm on Sesil's side.

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:51 AM
any updated news is she in doping or not im curious

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:52 AM
Because in that case it's completely irrelevant to the doping allegations. Sesil came up with the pregnant excuse to explain for the high doses of nandrolon in her urine sample. So if she was no longer pregnant when the sample was taken, she'd no longer have an excuse for the high nandrolon levels.

In any case, Saki's right. It's all very simple. Sesil was probably told by her advisers to come up with that excuse and it's been proven false. End of story.

It is still plausible. Let's just go with a general assumption that maybe 15 year old girls don't know as much about their bodies as they should. Especially girl who have been cut off from the world.
Is it possible for her to have had her miscarriage earlier than she can remember? Vaginal bleeding does happen in many pregnancies and some people do assume that when this happened that they've had a miscarriage but they find out that it isn't the case.
Maybe she thought her miscarriage was just vaginal bleeding and maybe she thought the menstruation period after her miscarriage (which can be very heavy) was her miscarriage. Some pregnancy hormones remain in the blood and urine for one to two months after a miscarriage.
A lot of people who take a pregnancy test after a miscarriage find out that the test still say they're pregnant.

danra
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:54 AM
if its true then i feel sorry for venus too even though sesil is my faivorite..

I'm far more inclined to feel sorry for Amanda Janes who narrowly lost to SK in the 1st round at Wimbledon and then retired due to financial difficulties. The difference between a 1st and 2nd round paycheque at a Slam is huge for somebody playing mainly challengers.:(

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:55 AM
she didnt look pregnant to me..

Nicjac
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:57 AM
It is still plausible. Let's just go with a general assumption that maybe 15 year old girls don't know as much about their bodies as they should. Especially girl who have been cut off from the world.
Is it possible for her to have had her miscarriage earlier than she can remember? Vaginal bleeding does happen in many pregnancies and some people do assume that when this happened that they've had a miscarriage but they find out that it isn't the case.
Maybe she thought her miscarriage was just vaginal bleeding and maybe she thought the menstruation period after her miscarriage (which can be very heavy) was her miscarriage. Some pregnancy hormones remain in the blood and urine for one to two months after a miscarriage.
A lot of people who take a pregnancy test after a miscarriage find out that the test still say they're pregnant.

You are a lawyer, right?

If not - please do become one, your technique is admiring!

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:58 AM
she didnt look pregnant to me..

You don't have to look pregnant. Hestrie Cloete, a South African runner, didn't look pregnant in the 10 weeks before her miscarriage but she was.

bellascarlett
Dec 20th, 2005, 11:58 AM
She deserves "2 years"... Maria is happy as no one is going to kick her butt :haha:

not that Maria ever thought she was gonna get it from Sesil... :p

alfonsojose
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:00 PM
The father has to be an Argie player :tape:

Mitzi
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:02 PM
OMG :eek:
I hope it isn't true..

Solitaire
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:04 PM
We'll all have to wait and see. Look what happened with Greg and Bohdan they were both accused of doping. They were found innocent and she might be too. If she is guilty then 2 years off will teach her a lesson. Lots of players start their career on the tour at 18; she can still do great things
As for the all the Armstrong hating Get over it! He won a record number of Tour de France so just deal. Hating is bad for ur health. :p

Sam L
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:05 PM
She's finished. Might as well draw the curtains.

Martian Jeza
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:05 PM
sesil is more famous than Hingis at the moment :rolleyes:

Don't take Martina into this, thx in advance...

Penglover
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:07 PM
Hingis in, Sesil out :eek:

manu32
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:08 PM
It is still plausible. Let's just go with a general assumption that maybe 15 year old girls don't know as much about their bodies as they should. Especially girl who have been cut off from the world.
Is it possible for her to have had her miscarriage earlier than she can remember? Vaginal bleeding does happen in many pregnancies and some people do assume that when this happened that they've had a miscarriage but they find out that it isn't the case.
Maybe she thought her miscarriage was just vaginal bleeding and maybe she thought the menstruation period after her miscarriage (which can be very heavy) was her miscarriage. Some pregnancy hormones remain in the blood and urine for one to two months after a miscarriage.
A lot of people who take a pregnancy test after a miscarriage find out that the test still say they're pregnant.

only HCG remain in blood and a few days .....sorry that's my job....

rand
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:10 PM
You are a lawyer, right?

If not - please do become one, your technique is admiring!
but flawed, because if on the tests she had appeared as pregnant, then the doping experts wouldn't have said she was lying BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT PREGNANT....
so, all his(her) story can be true, but doesn't change a thing....

Paneru
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:13 PM
Poor Sesil.
Hope it's not true.

If it is, I'd say her father/coach(?)
should be put under much scrutiny
as her legal guardian.

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:17 PM
I hope she will be banned as she really deserves it. Anyway it is not a loss to the fans of WTA.
fuck off dude:rolleyes:

Klurt
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:23 PM
Will everybody please stop quoting that guy I just put on my ignore list :angel:

Ellery
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:23 PM
Sesil :sad:

Penglover
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:25 PM
Sesil :sad:

no need to be sad for her. She deserves it.

Infiniti2001
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:26 PM
The venus curse :tape: :ducking: Hopefully, this is all a big joke :eek:

SelesFan70
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:26 PM
I'm not sure what this drug does that was allegedly found in her blood, but some of the drugs that they ban are really harmless and are not performance enhancing at all.

As I recall, nothing has come from the reports of Kuznetsova's alleged doping...except a severe slump in playing.

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:26 PM
drug queen- sesil :rolleyes:
u dont like sesil get the fuk out of here

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:27 PM
only HCG remain in blood and a few days .....sorry that's my job....

I've gone to one site that says otherwise.

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancyloss/mcphysicalrecovery.html

If you feel that they're wrong, then I recommend that you send them an email telling them otherwise. Hopefully ensuring that women don't get the wrong information.

It is of a concern if HcG level are still high after a pregnancy or miscarriage because it also can tell of ovarian cancer.
Actually I even remember a story in the Philadelphia area years ago where a women thought she was pregnant but months later found out that she had ovarian cancer.

CanadianBoy21
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:32 PM
that's too bad.

I saw her play Nadia at Rogers this year. The girl has game.

She is only 15, she doesn't even know what she is doing I bet, her management and whoever is around her most should be blamed.

At 15, to have sex, and get pregnant, is sooo early. But before women used to get pregnant at that time and start a family. :tape:
However, we are talking about 2005 and a professional athlete, who is 15!

Hopefully soon the truth will come out, until then I gotta feel sorry for Sesil. There is no way she could have come to this drug only by herself, without no one knowing, etc...
Wait and see is the best now.

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:38 PM
maybe someone tricked sesil.. maybe masha tricked sesil coz she didnt want sesil to kick her ass:p joking;)

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:43 PM
on unproven things? well, either the paper lied, in which case it will be treated much harsher than she is now, either it's the truth, and how will you react then? and knowing l'equipe, it's true...
they said lance was doping.

hingis-seles
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Hope it isn't true. That would be a shame.

rand
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:51 PM
they said lance was doping.
and they were right on that.....as far as everyone know, uci and wada included, armstrongs stales WERE indeed positive....

Peetz
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:55 PM
Finally an explanation to Venus loss...

Maryamator
Dec 20th, 2005, 12:58 PM
Finally an explanation to Venus loss...
not 100% yet

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 20th, 2005, 01:05 PM
Finally an explanation to Venus loss...

Well I guess there's always an explanation for Venus' loss early in a slam. Venus had a point conspiracy against Sprem even though she still lead the set.
Venus had a injury in her lost to Lisa Raymond at the Australian Open.
Venus played too high of a player in the first round against Schett at the French Open.
So what was Venus' excuse to losing to Molik at the AO? Lost to Vera at 2003 French Open? More injuries?

Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that maybe on that they that Venus wasn't the better player on the court? That she is human and early losses do happen?

tennisrox
Dec 20th, 2005, 01:07 PM
I'm not sure what this drug does that was allegedly found in her blood, but some of the drugs that they ban are really harmless and are not performance enhancing at all.

As I recall, nothing has come from the reports of Kuznetsova's alleged doping...except a severe slump in playing.

Uhm it is serious.We're talking about Nandrolone, an anabolic steroid which enhances bone mass,and muscle growth.Its as illegal as it gets.Its a major performance enhancer.

Kuz was caught taking epinephrine ,which is a drug commonly used to treat colds.There's a big difference between the drug sesil is accused of taking,and the one Kuz took.Both are illegal though.

Foot's Fingers
Dec 20th, 2005, 01:11 PM
wELL DESERVED WIN FOR lIKHOVTSEVA.......

Sesil :eek: -

new-york
Dec 20th, 2005, 01:11 PM
Well I guess there's always an explanation for Venus' loss early in a slam. Venus had a point conspiracy against Sprem even though she still lead the set.
Venus had a injury in her lost to Lisa Raymond at the Australian Open.
Venus played too high of a player in the first round against Schett at the French Open.
So what was Venus' excuse to losing to Molik at the AO? Lost to Vera at 2003 French Open? More injuries?

Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that maybe on that they that Venus wasn't the better player on the court? That she is human and early losses do happen?

i hope you won't forget that all those "explanations" have not been made by Venus herself.
She gave all the props to Karolina, said Lisa is a really talented player and don't even wanted to talk about the "injury" part during the post match int.
I'm with you to say that the winner is the winner. Point.
But i just don't want to hear that Venus never gives props when she absolutely did. Those "explanations" are for the most part not Venus'.


ps: that's not for you in particular, just those who'll think it was mean that way.

diekedelver
Dec 20th, 2005, 01:26 PM
Damn, Sesil, nandrolon ? :shrug:

and what about those lame excuses and doing an epostrong ("it were the frenchies")


I guess this means GAME OVER...

Volcana
Dec 20th, 2005, 01:30 PM
Finally an explanation to Venus loss...Venus' explanation was 'I got beat'.

It's a bummer about Sesil, but it's not the end of the world. Guillermo Coria got seven months for nandrolon. And even if she gets the two years, she'll be 17, and will still have her entire career ahead of her. And if she gets clean after this, in a couple years, nobody (except fans of the players she beats:)) will care.