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vincent227
Dec 18th, 2005, 06:19 AM
The WTA tour has posted up the new ranking system. There is no more quality point, and the grand slam points has increased a bit.

Unfortunately, Lindsay is sure to lose her No.1 ranking no matter how well she will do in the Austrailan Open.

Vut
Dec 18th, 2005, 06:30 AM
bye bye quality point :sad:

ClaudiaZ-S
Dec 18th, 2005, 07:38 AM
Mary n°1 before Roland Garros :woohoo:

sapir1434
Dec 18th, 2005, 11:43 AM
Now Amelie is much more close to Kim and Lindsay

Porcupine
Dec 18th, 2005, 12:06 PM
Do you have the link of that news?

mr_burns
Dec 18th, 2005, 01:02 PM
even with a win she won't stay no 1


I want quality points back

bmxbandit
Dec 18th, 2005, 02:30 PM
http://www.wtatour.com/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=/global/Pdfs/rankings/howitworks.pdf

SUPER
Dec 18th, 2005, 02:52 PM
its the worst thing the wta can do... its stupid, it was good, there is no point changing it. And they have no problems of public, why this thing about Mandatories Tier I?? To obligate players to play??... mmmhhh, first change that crazy-lenghty tour, and then make whatever to the rankings... ains

manu
Dec 18th, 2005, 03:40 PM
I also don't like the new system. The ranking points were a good extra indication, especially at the Slams, which are now devalued in comparison to the other tournaments, especially the YEC. Ah well, it's no use to keep whining about it I guess ;) A system always has its downsides!

Rexman
Dec 18th, 2005, 04:23 PM
I can't open PDF documents, can someone help me out?

Is it the new order or what exactly? If so I would love it if someone copied annd pasted it here.

vwfan
Dec 18th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Once again the WTA rewards volume over quality! Look for Nadia to shoot up the ranks.

fammmmedspin
Dec 18th, 2005, 08:19 PM
Once again the WTA rewards volume over quality! Look for Nadia to shoot up the ranks.

Its actually pretty deadly to the tour if they have increased Tier 1 and GS points as well . How on earth does a low ranked player advance?. If you can't get into smaller Tier 1s someone else gets the points whilst you get zilch at lower tiers and you never get the mega points available to anyone who gets near the end of a GS. You can't even get a boost by beating a top player as you now get the same points as if you beat a no-hoper. Its go straight to the top or get there more slowly and possibly not make it at all.

It also makes even worse the nonsenses of 2005 where one or two big GS wins can put you way up the rankings despite how badly you play for the rest of the year and how lucky your GS draw was - the rankings just lose more of their utility for seeding or prediction.

It basically just benefits players who do pretty well in top tournaments and are fit enough to play a lot of them - winning, playing great matches or beating top players are now less essential. Who do you think that will benefit? at the same time those players benefit because it makes it more difficult for newcomers to eject them from the top 10.

fammmmedspin
Dec 18th, 2005, 08:36 PM
Once again the WTA rewards volume over quality! Look for Nadia to shoot up the ranks.

More you look at the figures the worse it is. Players will now all have fewer points so distinctions will be smaller once you get below the players who can make GS Finals repeatedly before losing. Just look at what someone around where Serena is ranked now gets for a walkover in the later stages of a big tournament and what that does to the rankings. There are going to be some very very strange rankings in 2006.

percy896
Dec 18th, 2005, 08:38 PM
I think the only thing they should have changed was increasing the points to a grand slam winner, that's it. Erasing quality points is rediculous, and there is not need to increase Tier I's. GS's winners should be it.

njnetswill
Dec 18th, 2005, 09:07 PM
Why don't they just match the ATP's system to make both sides equal in terms of system of rankings? ATP don't seem to have any problems with theirs...or is it that WTA fans just like to bitch? :shrug:

Jem
Dec 18th, 2005, 09:37 PM
Which Tier 1s are mandatory? Think I heard Key Biscayne was earlier, but that's all I recall.

Buitenzorg
Dec 18th, 2005, 10:06 PM
stupid idea to erase the quality pts :mad:

feel sorry for the lower rank player if they could beat TOP Rank player with no appreciation of pts :sad:

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 18th, 2005, 10:14 PM
Oh well. Lindsay will get back the ranking in March. No problem. She's still likely to be seeded number one at all the slams. Kim has so many points she can't defend in March and during the summer season. It's great beating the top players all the time. Too bad this new system doesn't reward that. :lol:

Philip
Dec 19th, 2005, 12:04 AM
Patty career high of 6!! :woohoo: ;) :p

nah... i dont like the new system either.
no more lower ranked player getting the 200 points for beating no1 in the first round of wimby :sad:

Rexman
Dec 19th, 2005, 12:06 AM
There's no difference between #1 seed and #2 seed anyway.

People should calculate the points for their favs, then we could put a list together of what the top twenty would like like

xan
Dec 19th, 2005, 12:37 AM
The only problem I see is that winning a Tier 3 gets you more points than a tier 2 finalist. Tier 3 Finalists also get more points than Tier 2 semifinalists.

Considering the big difference in standard, this is a distortion.

iWill
Dec 19th, 2005, 04:30 AM
Does this change mean that everyone technically has 0 points at the events because its not fair for them to have to defend all their points if an event is worth way more than it was the year before.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Dec 19th, 2005, 04:43 AM
Points are higher in Bigger Tournaments

--- W F SF QF R16 R32 R64 R128 QLFR Q3 Q2 Q1
Grand Slam (Singles) 700 492 314 174 96 62 38 2 31 25 15 2
Tour Championships 525 369 235 130 72 - - - - - - -
Tier I -128 $3,000,000 350 246 157 87 48 31 19 1 15.5 - 7.5 1
Tier I -32 $3,000,000 350 246 157 87 48 1 - - 21.5 - - -
Tier I -128 $2,000,000 325 228 146 81 45 28 16 1 11 - 6.25 1
Tier I -32 $2,000,000 325 228 146 81 45 1 - - 20 - - -
Tier I -64 $1,340,000 300 210 135 75 42 25 1 - 10.5 - 5.75 1
Tier I -32 $1,340,000 300 210 135 75 42 1 - - 18.5 10.5 5.75 1
Tier I -16 $1,340,000 300 210 135 75 1 - - - 19 - - -
Tier II -32 $650,000 220 154 99 55 29 1 - - 13.25 7.75 4.5 1
Tier II -16 $650,000 220 154 99 55 1 - - - 13 - - -
Tier II -64 $600,000 195 137 88 49 25 14 1 - 6.75 - 4 1
Tier II -32 $600,000 195 137 88 49 25 1 - - 11.75 6.75 4 1
Tier II -16 $600,000 195 137 88 49 1 - - - 11.75 - - -
Tier III -32 $225,000 145 103 66 37 19 1 - - 8.5 4.5 2.75 1
Tier III -32 $225,000 145 103 66 37 19 1 - - 4.5 - 2.75 1
Tier III -16 $225,000 145 103 66 37 1 - - - 9.5 - - -
Tier III -64 $175,000 120 85 55 30 16 9 1 - 3.75 - 2.25 1
Tier III -32 $175,000 120 85 55 30 16 1 - - 7.25 3.75 2.25 1
Tier III -32 $175,000 120 85 55 30 16 1 - 3.75 - 2.25 1
Tier III -16 $175,000 120 85 55 30 1 - - - 7.5 - - -
Tier IV -32 $145,000 95 67 43 24 12 1 - - 5.5 3.5 2 1
Tier IV -32 $145,000 95 67 43 24 12 1 - - 3.5 - 2 1
Tier IV -16 $145,000 95 67 43 24 1 - - - 6.25 - - -

Inflation now affect tennis likewise...

~|Naomi|~
Dec 19th, 2005, 06:25 AM
Oh well. Lindsay will get back the ranking in March. No problem. She's still likely to be seeded number one at all the slams. Kim has so many points she can't defend in March and during the summer season. It's great beating the top players all the time. Too bad this new system doesn't reward that. :lol:

& why can't she defend her points? You didn't think Kim would win IW and Miami this year but she did. The player's points are converted to the new points from the start of the season, so Kim's IW points become 350 at the start of the season so by the time of IW she has the chance of defending all of them as she does at all her other tournaments.

Randy H
Dec 19th, 2005, 06:37 AM
I'm interested in seeing what the ITF challenger points are going to look like compared to these. 3.75 points for qualifying for a tier 3 64 player draw (basically, Birmingham)? That seems incredibly low, particularly as at that level you are going to face some decent players. Right now, a 1st round win at 25k level challenger awards you 3.5 points so what's the point? The ITF challenger points can't be brought a whole lot lower than what they are already at 10k and 25k level, so if they are not changed, what's the point of going to Birmingham and qualifying beating decent ranked players for a pathetic 3.75 points? If the challenger points have been lowered, it's still not going to be much of a difference regardless, and it's going to be harder and harder for lower ranked players to move up the rankings.

:mad: :fiery: :mad:

Penglover
Dec 19th, 2005, 10:28 AM
peng will be no.1 before FO then :bigclap:

^bibi^
Dec 19th, 2005, 10:55 AM
Almost every year they increase wta points, then they stopped Tier V, but they still haven't changed ITF points .. Why is that ? :(