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tennisrox
Dec 16th, 2005, 09:35 AM
Did Martina Nav just have the hots for her? :p

SilK
Dec 16th, 2005, 09:51 AM
... :shrug:

I don't think she is/was or will ever be. But at least she's selling perfume :yeah:

tennisrox
Dec 16th, 2005, 09:54 AM
Give credit where due :worship:

bellascarlett
Dec 16th, 2005, 09:57 AM
sorry...had to vote for shut up hater...:lol:....

this thread will just bring out the haters im afraid...oh but was that your intention? ;)

xin_hui
Dec 16th, 2005, 09:58 AM
no, no, and no

Paneru
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:16 AM
:lol:

No.

She was just a fresh new face
to add to the mix.

None of the ratings in her big matches
against the likes of the Williams Sisters,
as these three are the most polarizing figures
on the tour right now surpassed the highest
ratings of the big matches in the past few years.

She was new blood. And she was blonde hair blue-eyes
Russian whom they found attractive and you had a new star.

I mean, she was touted as the heir of sorts to Kournikova
but she could play and win something Anna couldn't.

So for them, they felt that had a new and improved Anna.


She's great for the sport but I wouldn't say she was a
saviour or that tennis needed any saving to begin with.

Ratings in the biggest market did dropp after 03' Wimbledon
when the Sisters were gone and rebounded when Maria beat Serena.
Yet, they just as much if not more to do with Serena. In England they
were ruthless and billed it as "the Beauty vs. the Beast". W/o Serena
that match wouldn't have got the ratings it did because Serena was the
foil and the source of discontent among certain types of people in the tennis community. So to have her beaten by their newly billed Kournakova-esque supergirl you had many wanting to give her billing as a "Saviour" that she really wasn't.

Yet, that just my take! :cool:

bellascarlett
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:29 AM
:lol:

No.

She was just a fresh new face
to add to the mix.

None of the ratings in her big matches
against the likes of the Willaims Sisters,
as these three are the most polarizing figures
on the tour right now surpassed th highest
ratings of the big matches in the past few years.

She was new blood. And she was blonde hair blue-eyes
Russian whom they found attractive and you had a new star.

I mean, she was touted as the heir of sorts to Kournikova
but she could play and win something Anna couldn't.

So for them, they felt that had a new and improved Anna.


She's great for the sport but I wouldn't say she was a
savious or that tennis needed any saving to begin with.

Ratings in the biggest market did dropp after 03' Wimbledon
when the Sisters were gone and rebounded when Maria beat Serena.
Yet, they just as much if not more to do with Serena. In England they
were ruthless and billed it as "the Beauty vs. the Beast". W/o Serena
that match wouldn't have got the ratings it did because Serena was the
foil and the source of discontent among certain types of people in the tennis community. So to have her beaten by their newly billed Kournakova-esque supergirl you had many wanting to give her billing as a "Saviour" that she really wasn't.

Yet, that just my take! :cool:

I have to say, very objective...:)...oh and Maria has green eyes...lol...people even tennis journalists always tend to get this wrong...i guess to try to force her into the stereotype...

tennisrox
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:37 AM
sorry...had to vote for shut up hater...:lol:....

this thread will just bring out the haters im afraid...oh but was that your intention? ;)

Of course it was.

I don't hate her.I just find these threads amusing :devil:

vutt
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:40 AM
Well, well. Tennis bigger than football?!? :tape:
And you are from UK...

bellascarlett
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:48 AM
Of course it was.

I don't hate her.I just find these threads amusing :devil:

I'm sure you do :rolleyes: :o

Anyway, thanks for your honesty. Now carry on... :)

Solitaire
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:52 AM
I don't know about saviour of tennis. If she gets more people into tennis then great. She's very marketable and in turn that will promote the sport. So everyone wins.

tennisrox
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:54 AM
Well,when you have williams fans and sharapova fans discussing the relative merits of endorsing Mcdonald's versus Pink cell fones....

I'm curious to see what they come up with next. :o :lol:

Pavlov's Bell remember....

bellascarlett
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:59 AM
Well,when you have williams fans and sharapova fans discussing the relative merits of endorsing Mcdonald's versus Pink cell fones....

I'm curious to see what they come up with next. :o :lol:

Pavlov's Bell remember....

:lol: yeah I do remember... :topic: I'd love to have the...ahem...MAGENTA RAZR though... :hearts:

tennisrox
Dec 16th, 2005, 11:05 AM
You know armageddon is close at hand, when people start buying magenta mobiles :p

Shonami Slam
Dec 16th, 2005, 11:09 AM
i'd wait another 3-5 years before i can say "saviour".
let's just say that for the moment, these are exciting times.
it's not like the men's tour that was totally, completly dominated by two men - in that case any new grand slam winner really is a promise for great things.

bellascarlett
Dec 16th, 2005, 11:11 AM
You know armageddon is close at hand, when people start buying magenta mobiles :p

Whatever! :ras: I still think it looks cute...my current phone is pink so it obviously makes complete sense to me... :lol: ...

anyway, i'm going to bed...good luck to your thread...hopefully the haters won't disappoint...and come out in full force!... :p ;)

Andy.
Dec 16th, 2005, 11:29 AM
She is certainly a star and a spark that adds to the tour and the tour would miss something without her.

Greenout
Dec 16th, 2005, 12:02 PM
:lol: I don't know about saviour, but she saved Larry Scott WTA CEO's ass more than a few times in 2004, and 2005.

The YEC 2005 would've been pretty average, and she did give a bit of spark there.

rjd1111
Dec 16th, 2005, 12:35 PM
Give credit where due :worship:


No Credit Due

Principessa
Dec 16th, 2005, 12:37 PM
Saviour? :tape: Right.

mashenka best 1
Dec 16th, 2005, 01:40 PM
h8ers h8ers ain't no sk8rs! :bounce:
interesting thread anyway

;)

Sam L
Dec 16th, 2005, 01:44 PM
She is tennis's Messiah.

Stamp Paid
Dec 16th, 2005, 02:11 PM
More people would rather see her dominate tennis and win matches as opposed to the greatest players of the 21st century (for whatever reason) so Im sure she brings more people to the sport, especially Europeans and Southeast Asian people.

jacobruiz
Dec 16th, 2005, 02:15 PM
Give her time!:angel:

dreamgoddess099
Dec 16th, 2005, 02:20 PM
Yep, just look at all the people who came out to worship her at the YEC. She broke attendence records this year at that place.

Doc
Dec 16th, 2005, 03:22 PM
I don't know about saviour of tennis. If she gets more people into tennis then great. She's very marketable and in turn that will promote the sport. So everyone wins.

Exactly. :cool:

Kenny
Dec 16th, 2005, 03:44 PM
ROFLMAO

tennisluver99
Dec 16th, 2005, 03:48 PM
Well, the ratings are still the same and haven't improved since she joined the tour, so I would have to say.........huh..............NO!!!!!!!!!!!

hingis-seles
Dec 16th, 2005, 03:55 PM
She saved women's tennis, though she didn't have as much saving to do as Hingis, Kournikova and the Williamses had to in the late 90s when the WTA was dying (1993-1996).

Kenny
Dec 16th, 2005, 03:57 PM
Yep, just look at all the people who came out to worship her at the YEC. She broke attendence records this year at that place.

:worship::devil::worship::):worship::lol::worship: :lol::worship::lol::worship::lol::worship:

AsGoodAsNew
Dec 16th, 2005, 04:40 PM
Santa Maria has saved women's tennis. The Wimbly 2004 final got 33,989,201 viewers in the UK alone - verified by the BBC. Over 70million DVDs of the match were shipped by Amazon as gifts throughout 2004/05. This year's Wimbly final got 102 viewers - 48 of which were in an old folk's home thinking they were watching a soap opera.

Maria even flew to the UK this week to blow out the flames of the oil explosion north of London. She is secretly about to give birth to the 2nd coming, and has persuaded Osama Bin Laden to give himself up. She is going on Oprah on Christmas Eve to persuade all Americans to donate their money to homeless people of ethnic minorities in Louisianna, and is then having dinner with Anjelina Jolie to discuss the adoption of Ethiopia. Her scientific experiments on HIV are rumoured to be leading to a new wonder drug - for which she will take no royalties.

Unfortunately her perfume has flopped badly in the UK - so much so you can't even buy it. It's currently being used to swill away the stench of dead pigeons in Trafalgar Square. But you can't expect her to win them all.

Meanwhile Serena Williams is having her hair and nails done on Rodeo Drive.

Cleopatra
Dec 16th, 2005, 05:09 PM
Santa Maria has saved women's tennis. The Wimbly 2004 final got 33,989,201 viewers in the UK alone - verified by the BBC. Over 70million DVDs of the match were shipped by Amazon as gifts throughout 2004/05. This year's Wimbly final got 102 viewers - 48 of which were in an old folk's home thinking they were watching a soap opera.

Maria even flew to the UK this week to blow out the flames of the oil explosion north of London. She is secretly about to give birth to the 2nd coming, and has persuaded Osama Bin Laden to give himself up. She is going on Oprah on Christmas Eve to persuade all Americans to donate their money to homeless people of ethnic minorities in Louisianna, and is then having dinner with Anjelina Jolie to discuss the adoption of Ethiopia. Her scientific experiments on HIV are rumoured to be leading to a new wonder drug - for which she will take no royalties.

Unfortunately her perfume has flopped badly in the UK - so much so you can't even buy it. It's currently being used to swill away the stench of dead pigeons in Trafalgar Square. But you can't expect her to win them all.

Meanwhile Serena Williams is having her hair and nails done on Rodeo Drive.


I hate that my second post to this board has to be about your idiotic statement regarding Serena. Venus and Serena are very dedicated in their charitable causes. One example, in their first McDonald's Tour, Serena participated eventhough she was injured.

It amazes me how people praise other players charitable contributions, but ignore the many ways Venus and Serena contribute to their culture, society and tennis. I'm certain that Maria gets her share of manicure and pedicure days.

Apoorv
Dec 16th, 2005, 05:41 PM
tennis can never become bigger than soccer. and she is not a saviour coz women's tennis has many good players and personalities other than her. but i must admit personalities like her have made the sport more attractive and sells more tickets.

tennisjay
Dec 16th, 2005, 05:55 PM
She is certainly a star and a spark that adds to the tour and the tour would miss something without her.

Miss what? Iím trying to be objective but what has she brought to tennis that Anna, Serena, Venus, and Hingis hasnít already. Sheís not prettier than Anna, she doesnít have Serena natural talent and athleticism nor Venus great movement, and she never will have Hingis great court sense among other things, so what will we miss about her?

Blonde_Ambition7
Dec 16th, 2005, 05:58 PM
i didn't think tennis needed saving. i think the media was waiting for a girl like her though.

but she does draw more attention to the sport which is good.

AsGoodAsNew
Dec 16th, 2005, 06:00 PM
I hate that my second post to this board has to be about your idiotic statement regarding Serena. Venus and Serena are very dedicated in their charitable causes. One example, in their first McDonald's Tour, Serena participated eventhough she was injured.

It amazes me how people praise other players charitable contributions, but ignore the many ways Venus and Serena contribute to their culture, society and tennis. I'm certain that Maria gets her share of manicure and pedicure days.
Cleopatra. I was joking about MARIA. I was intimating that Serena was right - relaxing before the Oz Open, and taking the mick out of all this rubbish about Maria saving women's tennis. Read my post again. You have mis-read it.

tennisrox
Dec 16th, 2005, 06:36 PM
tennis can never become bigger than soccer.


Um,I was being sarcastic :p

Tennis bigger than football my ass!Even if every player on the tour looked like Kournikova that wouldn't happen :lol:

pisces
Dec 16th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Why do we forget about our 2004,U.S open winner,and French winner"s.There were 4 Slam"s play,in 2004?

beauty_is_pink
Dec 16th, 2005, 06:54 PM
she's hiking tennis attendance up that's for sure, but it's not because the people who go to these tourneys that she's entered in, to see women's tennis. They want to see her run around in her short dresses and skirts. and that's that truth

-VSR-
Dec 16th, 2005, 07:11 PM
I didn't really like any of the options, so here is my answer.

I think she brought new chemistry and rivalries to the game. Which made it great to watch, I love watching her in matches with some of the best players in the world. I don't think she is the saviour but she did bring tennis up a little bit, espically when 2004 it was going downwards. She helped. But the media may have made her a fan of somes and the center of their hatred for others. Either way she is helping tennis along with many of today's top players.

Denise4925
Dec 16th, 2005, 08:20 PM
My answer = :haha:

Denise4925
Dec 16th, 2005, 08:23 PM
:lol:

No.

She was just a fresh new face
to add to the mix.

None of the ratings in her big matches
against the likes of the Willaims Sisters,
as these three are the most polarizing figures
on the tour right now surpassed th highest
ratings of the big matches in the past few years.

She was new blood. And she was blonde hair blue-eyes
Russian whom they found attractive and you had a new star.

I mean, she was touted as the heir of sorts to Kournikova
but she could play and win something Anna couldn't.

So for them, they felt that had a new and improved Anna.


She's great for the sport but I wouldn't say she was a
savious or that tennis needed any saving to begin with.

Ratings in the biggest market did dropp after 03' Wimbledon
when the Sisters were gone and rebounded when Maria beat Serena.
Yet, they just as much if not more to do with Serena. In England they
were ruthless and billed it as "the Beauty vs. the Beast". W/o Serena
that match wouldn't have got the ratings it did because Serena was the
foil and the source of discontent among certain types of people in the tennis community. So to have her beaten by their newly billed Kournakova-esque supergirl you had many wanting to give her billing as a "Saviour" that she really wasn't.

Yet, that just my take! :cool:
Then along comes Venus in 2005 to redeem the family name and crown :cool: Off goes the head of the usurper. :p

!<blocparty>!
Dec 16th, 2005, 08:27 PM
She's big, she's popular, and she sells tickets.

Some people need to get over this.

DragonFlame
Dec 16th, 2005, 08:31 PM
:haha: guess you know what i voted for now:tape:

Santa Maria has saved women's tennis. The Wimbly 2004 final got 33,989,201 viewers in the UK alone - verified by the BBC. Over 70million DVDs of the match were shipped by Amazon as gifts throughout 2004/05. This year's Wimbly final got 102 viewers - 48 of which were in an old folk's home thinking they were watching a soap opera.

Maria even flew to the UK this week to blow out the flames of the oil explosion north of London. She is secretly about to give birth to the 2nd coming, and has persuaded Osama Bin Laden to give himself up. She is going on Oprah on Christmas Eve to persuade all Americans to donate their money to homeless people of ethnic minorities in Louisianna, and is then having dinner with Anjelina Jolie to discuss the adoption of Ethiopia. Her scientific experiments on HIV are rumoured to be leading to a new wonder drug - for which she will take no royalties.

Unfortunately her perfume has flopped badly in the UK - so much so you can't even buy it. It's currently being used to swill away the stench of dead pigeons in Trafalgar Square. But you can't expect her to win them all.

Meanwhile Serena Williams is having her hair and nails done on Rodeo Drive.

:worship:

Denise4925
Dec 16th, 2005, 08:31 PM
Santa Maria has saved women's tennis. The Wimbly 2004 final got 33,989,201 viewers in the UK alone - verified by the BBC. Over 70million DVDs of the match were shipped by Amazon as gifts throughout 2004/05. This year's Wimbly final got 102 viewers - 48 of which were in an old folk's home thinking they were watching a soap opera.

Maria even flew to the UK this week to blow out the flames of the oil explosion north of London. She is secretly about to give birth to the 2nd coming, and has persuaded Osama Bin Laden to give himself up. She is going on Oprah on Christmas Eve to persuade all Americans to donate their money to homeless people of ethnic minorities in Louisianna, and is then having dinner with Anjelina Jolie to discuss the adoption of Ethiopia. Her scientific experiments on HIV are rumoured to be leading to a new wonder drug - for which she will take no royalties.

Unfortunately her perfume has flopped badly in the UK - so much so you can't even buy it. It's currently being used to swill away the stench of dead pigeons in Trafalgar Square. But you can't expect her to win them all.

Meanwhile Serena Williams is having her hair and nails done on Rodeo Drive.
:worship: :lol:

Denise4925
Dec 16th, 2005, 08:36 PM
You see, this is makes me dislike Martina Navratilova. Just what did tennis need saving from? The likes of two black women dominating the sport? She didn't say tennis needed saving when Martina Hingis or Steffi dominated. Maria doesn't play like them, she plays more like the WS than either Hingis or Steffi. Tennis was never more popular, especially in the US and urban areas, then when the WS started to dominate the sport, so I don't get it. Am I missing something? Actually I think the comment was a backhanded racist remark that she got away with, with no fault to Maria. Even though Maria has to suffer the backlash from such a stupid remark.

SelesFan70
Dec 16th, 2005, 08:42 PM
I'm not sure anyone officially annointed her "The Savior", but she won Wimbledon and is pretty big right now.

!<blocparty>!
Dec 16th, 2005, 08:48 PM
You see, this is makes me dislike Martina Navratilova. Just what did tennis need saving from? The likes of two black women dominating the sport? She didn't say tennis needed saving when Martina Hingis or Steffi dominated. Maria doesn't play like them, she plays more like the WS than either Hingis or Steffi. Tennis was never more popular, especially in the US and urban areas, then when the WS started to dominate the sport, so I don't get it. Am I missing something? Actually I think the comment was a backhanded racist remark that she got away with, with no fault to Maria. Even though Maria has to suffer the backlash from such a stupid remark.

When did she make these comments?

Denise4925
Dec 16th, 2005, 08:57 PM
When did she make these comments?
I thought it was after Wimbly '04. I'm not sure, but I remember the comment.

Stamp Paid
Dec 16th, 2005, 09:08 PM
You see, this is makes me dislike Martina Navratilova. Just what did tennis need saving from? The likes of two black women dominating the sport? She didn't say tennis needed saving when Martina Hingis or Steffi dominated. Maria doesn't play like them, she plays more like the WS than either Hingis or Steffi. Tennis was never more popular, especially in the US and urban areas, then when the WS started to dominate the sport, so I don't get it. Am I missing something? Actually I think the comment was a backhanded racist remark that she got away with, with no fault to Maria. Even though Maria has to suffer the backlash from such a stupid remark.

I think she just thinks that Maria is sexy, and the WS are not. And for womens tennis to really be successful, it needed a sexy superstar champion. Maria's Wimbledon win gave womens tennis that. Its an ignorant opinion on many levels.

!<blocparty>!
Dec 16th, 2005, 09:13 PM
I thought it was after Wimbly '04. I'm not sure, but I remember the comment.

Yeah I thought so. As you would know, the Williams sisters had been out of the sport for like a year before Wimbledon... the Belgians were dominating, slams were pretty shit. No doubt the American TV ratings were falling after the WS finals in 03/02. Maria came along, won and won Wimbledon. Everyone wanted to hear about it... hell, even my Dad was asking me questions about tennis :eek: It made the front pages of big UK papers.

:shrug:

Denise4925
Dec 16th, 2005, 09:18 PM
Yeah I thought so. As you would know, the Williams sisters had been out of the sport for like a year before Wimbledon... the Belgians were dominating, slams were pretty shit. No doubt the American TV ratings were falling after the WS finals in 03/02. Maria came along, won and won Wimbledon. Everyone wanted to hear about it... hell, even my Dad was asking me questions about tennis :eek: It made the front pages of big UK papers.

:shrug:
Yeah, but I have to agree with Justin, I think the comment was more personal preference than anything else. The WTA wasn't dying during 2004 without the WS. I highly doubt Martina Nav would give the absence of Vee and Rena credit for the downfall of women's tennis in one year.

!<blocparty>!
Dec 16th, 2005, 09:22 PM
Yeah, but I have to agree with Justin, I think the comment was more personal preference than anything else. The WTA wasn't dying during 2004 without the WS. I highly doubt Martina Nav would give the absence of Vee and Rena credit for the downfall of women's tennis in one year.

I think it's more likely to be because of that, than a racist comment against them. The WTA was pretty bad during the end of 03/04.... :yawn:

-VSR-
Dec 16th, 2005, 09:39 PM
Womens tennis was suffering really bad after 2003 Wimbledon-French Open 2004. I think because the Williams Sisters were absent, the ratings and quality of play went down. :shrug:

bellascarlett
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:29 PM
see this is my problem with the williams sisters and some of their fans...you say something not entirely positive about them and there is always a good chance you'll be labelled racist. Martina N. didn't even say anything negative about Serena and I doubt she was thinking of Serena when she uttered those words about Maria. I think it was a genuine feeling she had. Maria was a fresh face, new competition with great potential. Remember, Maria was seeded 13th. It was just her second time playing Wimbledon and was only 17. Serena, on the other hand, was defending champion and was going for her third consecutive Wimbledon title. Add to that, she and her sister had been so dominant in years past. Obviously, in these circumstances, Serena was expected by nearly everyone to be the winner. Maria was merely given a chance by a few but I doubt anyone was willing to bet their life on the possibility that she'd win.

However, finals day came and Maria beat Serena with such a suprising scorline 6-1 6-4. It was one of the best breakthroughs in that she beat a champion like Serena without really that much challenge at all. Add to that the fact that Maria's confidence that day was just so wonderful to see. Anyway, bottom line - her win was a welcome change in tennis I think. As I said, it gave tennis a new face - a beautiful one at that -and new player to compete with the top girls. I think her win definitely gave a necessary boost to tennis during that time just as it gave people a glimpse of what the future held for women's tennis. I think Martina's comments just reflected these.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:35 PM
33 million viewers in the UK alone???

That is bullshit!!!!

AkademiQ
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:35 PM
see this is my problem with the williams sisters and some of their fans...you say something not entirely positive about them and there is always a good chance you'll be labelled racist.

When Martina, both of them, were quoted as saying that Venus and Serena wouldn't be where they were at market wise, etc. if they were black among other things what do you expect people to think when they see anything from Martina? That's my problem with some fans in general, the dismissal used in posts period especially when it's geared at Williams fans or the sisters.

bellascarlett
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:48 PM
When Martina, both of them, were quoted as saying that Venus and Serena wouldn't be where they were at market wise, etc. if they were black among other things what do you expect people to think when they see anything from Martina? That's my problem with some fans in general, the dismissal used in posts period especially when it's geared at Williams fans or the sisters.

both of them? who are you alluding to? I don't know what Martina said about the Williams before that Wimbledon final...I just thought she sounded genuine in her remark about Maria.

VS Fan
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:51 PM
Savior???

No way, Tennis would have done well with her or without her.

However.... She IS a fierce competitor and adds a HUGE interest in the game!!!

She did NOT "save" tennis, but she added MUCH interest in the game.

Examples:

Maria defeats Serena, Wimbledon 2004
Maria wins WTA Championships 2004.
Serena WINS 3 matchpoints down, semi, AO 2005, then wins the event
Venus WINS... Rather strongly at semi Wimby 2005, then Wins the event.

The Venus/ Maria match at Wimby was one of the BEST matches I have ever seen.
Great shots by both players and lower than average errors for EITHER player.

YES, Maria is GREAT for the game ...., but not really a "savior".

AkademiQ
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:57 PM
both of them? who are you alluding to? I don't know what Martina said about the Williams before that Wimbledon final...I just thought she sounded genuine in her remark about Maria.

I was referring to Martina H. and Martina N. But that's what is funny. Ignorance of what has been said about both Serena and Venus is excused and seemingly accepted, but let us take to task Venus and Serena fans and even the sisters themselves whenever a discussion somehow ventures onto race.

Martina may have been genuine in her remarks with respect to Maria, but then again she was probably genuine in her opinionated remarks in Time Magazine also when she spoke on Venus/Serena and them being black in tennis. Oh well, simply the usual around here.

Denise4925
Dec 16th, 2005, 10:59 PM
see this is my problem with the williams sisters and some of their fans...you say something not entirely positive about them and there is always a good chance you'll be labelled racist.

With the comments you've been making in the last couple of days regarding Maria and black male athletes, there's a good chance you've already been labeled a racist. :o This coupled with the fact that whatever comes out of your mouth about Maria, you think is gospel truth. These are my problems with you.

Anyway, bottom line - her win was a welcome change in tennis I think. As I said, it gave tennis a new face - a beautiful one at that -and new player to compete with the top girls. I think her win definitely gave a necessary boost to tennis during that time just as it gave people a glimpse of what the future held for women's tennis. I think Martina's comments just reflected these.
That is the bottom line for you isn't it? A welcome change for you and people like you from one year of domination by the WS. A new face, yes a very new face, but not so beautiful to everyone. Everyone doesn't have the same ideal of beauty. I think it already had and still has two beautiful faces attached to it in the form of Venus and Serena.

Denise4925
Dec 16th, 2005, 11:02 PM
I was referring to Martina H. and Martina N. But that's what is funny. Ignorance of what has been said about both Serena and Venus is excused and seemingly accepted, but let us take to task Venus and Serena fans and even the sisters themselves whenever a discussion somehow ventures onto race.

Martina may have been genuine in her remarks with respect to Maria, but then again she was probably genuine in her opinionated remarks in Time Magazine also when she spoke on Venus/Serena and them being black in tennis. Oh well, simply the usual around here.
:worship: :worship: :worship:

faboozadoo15
Dec 16th, 2005, 11:15 PM
if every next great player saves tennis, then I guess maria has as well.

i don't know what tennis needed saving from though...

Dawn Marie
Dec 16th, 2005, 11:25 PM
Maria gave the HOPE back to the many colorblinded idiots. She'll not dominate though as the other girls will hit the ball down the middle and thus expose her entire game.


Truthfully, she'll win some tournaments and some slams but she is still overhyped. Yet she won the big one and she is a young blonde. People are happy.

bellascarlett
Dec 16th, 2005, 11:33 PM
With the comments you've been making in the last couple of days regarding Maria and black male athletes, there's a good chance you've already been labeled a racist. :o This coupled with the fact that whatever comes out of your mouth about Maria, you think is gospel truth. These are my problems with you.

I really don't want things to get personal with you...

That is the bottom line for you isn't it? A welcome change for you and people like you from one year of domination by the WS. A new face, yes a very new face, but not so beautiful to everyone. Everyone doesn't have the same ideal of beauty. I think it already had and still has two beautiful faces attached to it in the form of Venus and Serena.

Omg you just have to learn to take sentences as they are... I wasn't thinking at all of Venus and Serena when I said Maria was beautiful. I said that just because I think she is and no matter what you think of her looks, they really add to her appeal - I guess I should make clear - to some. As someone mentioned, the WTA felt and continue to feel they have a more talented version of Kournikova in Maria.( I know some will again say that Anna is more beautiful but that is beside the point here. Comparisons with Anna have been in existence since she joined the tour and I doubt there would be any if there was nothing good to speak of about how Maria looks.)...And I wasn't even a fan of tennis up until this year so you could spare me the talk about having a break from the Williams' domination.

Veenut
Dec 17th, 2005, 10:49 PM
...[QUOTE]And I wasn't even a fan of tennis up until this year so you could spare me the talk about having a break from the Williams' domination.

That's your problem, you don't have much prior knowledge to go on but still want to imply that others are wrong in their assessment. Most of us have been following tennis for some time and know very well the tennis history of Venus and Serena including previous comments made by certain people. We don't make up stories, we can produce the evidence to back it up.

Maria is only a new creation to the long list of rivals created for both Venus and Serena. Take note of what happened in '05 because as that is an indication of how she will be handled by them in the future. To date as the records will show no one can boast of dominating either so far but if they can remain healthy, there is no doubt that they can dominate again and you will get to witness this for yourself.

The "savior" story is just the fantasy of those who can't deal with V & R at the center of women's tennis but it is so difficult to deny the facts with empirical evidence.

RatedR Superstar
Dec 18th, 2005, 01:01 AM
like it or not but anna K is the saviour of womens tennis

iWill
Dec 18th, 2005, 03:59 AM
I dont think she saved tennis because it didnt need to be saved. She just peaked at the right time. The Williams sisters were still recovering from injuries and trying to build a rythum and the Belgians were both off the tour after the OZ. I think if the Williams sisters and the Belgians had their 2003 form during 2004 we wouldnt even be having this discussion. (off the subject) but the same goes for Davenport all credit to Lindsay but when all the 2003 winners and finalist were hurt she was able to take that step to the top and has stayed their and she deserves it I dont think she saved womens tennis either but she and Maria both made it interesting in 04.

tennisrox
Dec 18th, 2005, 04:48 AM
I dont think she saved tennis because it didnt need to be saved.

Right on! :yeah:

Get a room Martina :p

Porcupine
Dec 18th, 2005, 06:50 AM
Maria gave the HOPE back to the many colorblinded idiots.
Like you said,Bud Collins is an idiot too? :rolleyes:
And none of Maria's fan is colorblinded,notice what you say. ;)