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tennisjay
Dec 15th, 2005, 08:03 PM
Why do people keep comparing the two they have absolutely nothing in common and I donít see Mariaís career coming even close to Serenaís or maybe not even Venus with the style of play Maria plays. Maria fans will be better of comparing Serena to Myskina or Kuznetsova, because they all have won only one slam and a handful of regular tournments, I donít dislike Maria but I think itís ridiculous to keep comparing the two.

Volcana
Dec 15th, 2005, 08:28 PM
Why do people keep comparing the two they have absolutely nothing in common and I donít see Mariaís career coming even close to Serenaís or maybe not even Venus with the style of play Maria plays.It's called 'Hope'.

But I have to admit I haven't read much comparing of Sharapova's game to Serena's. They really don't play the same way. The player I've read comparison's of Sharapova's game to is Davenport's, and it's a pretty fair comparison. Sharapova is a touch faster, Davenport has better footwork, and a better serve. But the fundamentals of their respective games are the same.

Pheobo
Dec 15th, 2005, 08:31 PM
And you think Maria plays the same as Myskina and Kuznetsova? If so, you're sadly mistaken...have you seen either play?

tennisjay
Dec 15th, 2005, 08:50 PM
And you think Maria plays the same as Myskina and Kuznetsova? If so, you're sadly mistaken...have you seen either play?


No Iím talking about achievements.

Pheobo
Dec 15th, 2005, 08:53 PM
No Iím talking about achievements.


But you mentioned in your post the difference in the style of play between the two.

crazyroberto6767
Dec 15th, 2005, 08:54 PM
With endorsements like Maria has, she's going to be compared to players greater than her.

_LuCaS_
Dec 15th, 2005, 08:55 PM
Serena owns Nastya, Nastya owns Maria. Done

Stamp Paid
Dec 15th, 2005, 09:01 PM
Because they are both the Top Dogs on tour.

bellascarlett
Dec 15th, 2005, 09:31 PM
Why do people keep comparing the two they have absolutely nothing in common and I donít see Mariaís career coming even close to Serenaís or maybe not even Venus with the style of play Maria plays. Maria fans will be better of comparing Serena to Myskina or Kuznetsova, because they all have won only one slam and a handful of regular tournments, I donít dislike Maria but I think itís ridiculous to keep comparing the two.

Omg what's with your obsession with this topic anyway? And why do you insist that Maria fans are comparing Maria to Serena when I think - and I think - most have not. Career-wise and achievements-wise, Serena is obviously far ahead. The results indicate that. No sane Maria fan can and would even contest that. The comparisons may come in other forms but certainly not in achievements. It is not even fair to compare the two in terms of tennis success as Serena is older and has spent more time on tour.

If you think Maria's career will never come close to Serena's, that's your call. In the meantime, I wish you would stop these posts complaining about comparisons between Serena and Maria's respective careers when they are close to non-existent.

Career comparisons do not just include slam wins and tournament wins. They include players' entire slam and tournament records - how far they've gotten and how consistent they've been. It also includes rankings - again how far players have gotten and how consistent they have been. And considering all these factors, just this year alone, Maria is undoubtedly a level above Myskina and Kuznetsova. And note that Maria is younger and has spent less time on the tour. Things may change in the future but as of this moment, you will just have to live with the fact that Maria - as her results indicate - is a step above all the Russians.

Almalyk
Dec 15th, 2005, 09:55 PM
Serena owns Nastya, Nastya owns Maria. Done


:worship: And Nastya owns Kuznetsova too :)

Almalyk
Dec 15th, 2005, 10:01 PM
[/QUOTE]Career comparisons do not just include slam wins and tournament wins. They include players' entire slam and tournament records - how far they've gotten and how consistent they've been. It also includes rankings - again how far players have gotten and how consistent they have been. And considering all these factors, just this year alone, Maria is undoubtedly a level above Myskina and Kuznetsova. And note that Maria is younger and has spent less time on the tour. Things may change in the future but as of this moment, you will just have to live with the fact that Maria - as her results indicate - is a step above all the Russians.[/QUOTE]

I agree for 2005 results. Although 2004 was much more competitive. It will be interesting in 2006 when Kuznetsova is not injured, and Myskina has her head in the right space. Myskina and Sharapova have very similar career title hauls, and are still the only Russians to reach the QF in all 4 GS. Anastasia has a 3-1 record over Sharapova, and is one of the players that causes her trouble. I would like to see them play in 2006.

miffedmax
Dec 15th, 2005, 10:03 PM
Well, they both certainly seem to regard each other as rivals, what with Maria picking up the big wins in 2004 and Serena getting some payback in 2005.

Serena vs. Venus is a big yawn.

Can't get JHH and Serena healthy at the same time.

Serena still owns most of the rest of the Russian contingent.

Kim just doesn't inspire the kind of emotion that Ree and Masha do.

Which pretty much leaves them as the best rivalry going in tennis. Maybe the return of Hingis will change that.

Finally, for all the bitching and moaning about Serena not being focused enough on tennis and all the injuries, she's still the one to beat if you want to stake a realistic claim on being the best. I'm looking forward to Serena/Masha matchups in '06 (hopefully with them so completely exhausting each other in the quarters and semis that Lena D. can take 'em;)).

miffedmax
Dec 15th, 2005, 10:06 PM
:worship: And Nastya owns Kuznetsova too :)

We all know who Nastya really owns.
:bigcry: :bigcry:

Stamp Paid
Dec 15th, 2005, 10:07 PM
I hate to open this can of worms as I am a HUGE Nastya fan but...

Serena is a multi-slam champion
Maria will be one too
Anastasia is great but is probably a one-slam wonder
Sveta is definitetely a one-slam wonder.

Serena's is like no one elses except maybe Venus even though it's way different
Maria's game is like Lindsay because the both have strokes by Robert Landsdorp and they both play an aggresive game
Anastasia has strokes by Lansdorp but plays a defensive game
Sveta was trained on the dirt in spain.

Thats one of the dumbest thing's Ive ever heard. :tape:

JulesVerne
Dec 15th, 2005, 10:30 PM
Sveta was trained on the dirt in spain.

Yes. What is your point?

JulesVerne
Dec 15th, 2005, 10:39 PM
There is one chart I have seen which compares Pete Sampras and Roger Federer and their respective grand slam wins at certain ages.

When comparing Maria and Serena you do need to compare their achievements at the same age; Maria is 18 (born April 1987) and Serena is 24 (September 1981). At 18 Serena had only won 1 grand slam so they do seem similar at that age. Serena had 2 years without grand slam wins after her US Open 1999 triumph until the French Open 2002.

Dan23
Dec 15th, 2005, 11:23 PM
They have more in common than most like to admit....wasnt Maria the '3rd Williams sister' to some before Wimbledon last year?? Then the frustration got too much. Ive heard both Serena and Maria say they have a similar way on court and enjoy playing each other. Its a fair comparison between them form or match wise but to compare their current careers is not.

fammmmedspin
Dec 16th, 2005, 12:15 AM
Serena owns Nastya, Nastya owns Maria. Done

Actually Nastya almost took out Serena at the end of 2004 and Serena played worse than that for all but a few weeks of 2005 so thats not totally clear. Maria-Nastya is more interesting as its an interrupted battle with Maria winning at the 04 YEC but only after being beaten for most of that match and the rest of the year. Arguably Maria's game has not been as good since either.

Blonde_Ambition7
Dec 16th, 2005, 12:20 AM
Because they are both the Top Dogs on tour.

yup :yeah:

morningglory
Dec 16th, 2005, 01:26 AM
really... I think Maria and Serena are pretty much alike... attitude, passion for fashion, arrogance maybe :lol:

Volcana
Dec 16th, 2005, 02:30 AM
Well, they both certainly seem to regard each other as rivalsI haven't seen or heard anything that indicates that. They don't even talk about each other, unless someone asks a direct question.

cartmancop
Dec 16th, 2005, 03:07 AM
for the same reason Maria's compared to Anna K... she is well-known and gets peoples attention. It's not necessarily fair to compare Anna to Maria based on achievements but they are both beautiful players who make lots of $$$$ off of endorsements. The same with Maria and Serena, they are two of the top tennis players that everybody recognizes and hears about often. If I asked 100 people in my school who Sharapova or Williams were & then asked the same people who Myskina and Kuz. are, every one would be more likely to recognize the name or picture of Sharapova or either of the WS.

Diesel
Dec 16th, 2005, 03:39 AM
They have more in common than most like to admit....wasnt Maria the '3rd Williams sister' to some before Wimbledon last year?? Then the frustration got too much. Ive heard both Serena and Maria say they have a similar way on court and enjoy playing each other. Its a fair comparison between them form or match wise but to compare their current careers is not.

Thank goodness that mentions some, because for the other some of us Maria wasn't a known entity before Wimbledon and even after Wimbledon, some of us don't think of her unless she's facing Serena or Venus. Surely any feelings a poster has will be magnified that much more when coming to a message board like WTAworld and dealing with other posters who in turn stand in if you will for that player. So the frustration for some could deal more with other fans more than Maria or Serena.

tennisrox
Dec 16th, 2005, 09:32 AM
Media hype.

jacobruiz
Dec 16th, 2005, 01:55 PM
Why do people keep comparing the two they have absolutely nothing in common and I donít see Mariaís career coming even close to Serenaís or maybe not even Venus with the style of play Maria plays. Maria fans will be better of comparing Serena to Myskina or Kuznetsova, because they all have won only one slam and a handful of regular tournments, I donít dislike Maria but I think itís ridiculous to keep comparing the two.



It's not Maria-fans doing most of the comparing. If you think it's so ridiculous then why do you constantly post about Maria, start threads about Maria, try to trash Maria, etc., and almost always bring up Serena in your Maria-hate posts?:confused:

goldenlox
Dec 16th, 2005, 03:50 PM
:worship: And Nastya owns Kuznetsova too :)And Anna C. owns Nastya

SAEKeithSerena
Dec 16th, 2005, 03:58 PM
because serena and masha are actually interesting and are actually good.

AsGoodAsNew
Dec 16th, 2005, 04:26 PM
Why do people keep comparing the two they have absolutely nothing in common and I donít see Mariaís career coming even close to Serenaís or maybe not even Venus with the style of play Maria plays. Maria fans will be better of comparing Serena to Myskina or Kuznetsova, because they all have won only one slam and a handful of regular tournments, I donít dislike Maria but I think itís ridiculous to keep comparing the two.
My Grandma has never compared them - in all her 61 years. So I don't think it's that a big a deal. Now you if you want something to worry about - have a think about my Gran's bunions!

tennisjay
Dec 16th, 2005, 05:48 PM
My point of posting this post was simply to stop the foolishness of comparing the two success when Maria donít even come close to anything Serena has done. Right know Maria is a big what if? And I think we should keep it like that way until she does something spectacular.

SvetaPleaseWin.
Dec 16th, 2005, 05:51 PM
masha fans dont want to admit kuzy is better than sharapova

bellascarlett
Dec 16th, 2005, 06:45 PM
It's not Maria-fans doing most of the comparing. If you think it's so ridiculous then why do you constantly post about Maria, start threads about Maria, try to trash Maria, etc., and almost always bring up Serena in your Maria-hate posts?:confused:

:yeah:...

StarDuvallGrant
Dec 16th, 2005, 07:18 PM
Thank goodness that mentions some, because for the other some of us Maria wasn't a known entity before Wimbledon and even after Wimbledon, some of us don't think of her unless she's facing Serena or Venus. Surely any feelings a poster has will be magnified that much more when coming to a message board like WTAworld and dealing with other posters who in turn stand in if you will for that player. So the frustration for some could deal more with other fans more than Maria or Serena.

That's how I feel.