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Serena y Monica
May 4th, 2002, 07:17 PM
just one more perspective of the Fed-Cup debacle...Oh and I'd stop if just one Cap fan would admit as much as you love her and the fire in her game...her behavior is way off: Bud Collins from MSNBC

SHE WAS SUPPOSED to be, all right, when the teams arrived at the leafy Olde Providence Racquet Club to battle for a quarter-final berth in the world team championship that the heavily-favored Americans have won a record 17 times. Capriati was in the lineup — until the provoked U.S. captain, Billie Jean King kicked Capriati off the squad for various departures from team rules.
King’s principled stand — extraordinary in professional sport — triumphed, but the U.S. got beat, 3-2, a first-round loser for only the second time in the Federation Cup tournament that dates back to 1963. The public and Capriati (though not her teammates) wondered if King was too inflexible.
Because the draw had been made, matching world No. 2 Capriati and a pushover, Evelyn Fauth, no substitution could be made on the first day, according to Federation Cup regulations. Thus Fauth and Austria hit the lottery in the form of a gift-wrapped forfeit, sending the visitors ahead 1-0. No such forfeit had ever occurred before in the Federation Cup.
OK, no problem yet for the U.S. in the best-of-five series. However, it quickly became apparent that the presence of world No. 75 Barbara Schwartz and the absence of Capriati would be too much for the U.S. to overcome.
Schwartz, a tall lefty, beat Venus Williams at the French Open three years ago. Although she’d had done nothing since, Schwartz burst forth as a one-woman forest fire among the Carolina oaks surrounding the grandstands, blistering No. 6 Monica Seles. There’s no pressure in tennis as heavy as playing for your country in Davis or Federation Cup, and the usually nerveless Seles admitted that she succumbed to it.

Despite the 0-2 deficit for the U.S., King said she still liked the Americans’ chances. King sent in No. 12 Meghann Shaughnessy for Capriati on Sunday in a must-win situation to start what she hoped would be a U.S. turnaround. King was confident that Seles would handle Fauth, and winning the doubles was a certainty.
For Shaughnessy, a Cup debutante, it was a huge order. Too big, as it turned out in a tense three-hour struggle, 4-6, 7-6 (9-7), 9-7. Schwartz kept escaping traps as she did against Seles to become Austria’s all-time tennis heroine. Yet Shaughnessy, fighting throughout, did come within one swat of a victory that would have saved the U.S. and muted the Capriati controversy.
Shaughnessy, who had been overtaken despite a 6-4, 4-3, 40-15 lead, saved two set points to reach 5-5, and had her golden chance in the tie-breaker: a match point at 5-6. Keeping the point alive with a desperate get, a floater just over the net, Schwartz appeared out of it. But like most players in these cautious baselining days, content to stay back, Shaughnessy wasn’t quick to seize the opportunity for a winning volley. She let the ball drop at her feet and bungled a forehand.
King, ever quick to charge and put away similar balls during her career, must have felt the jolt of an incipient ulcer that may have been ignited by Capriati. But where was Capriati, who surely would have contributed two of the necessary three victories in what should have been a laugher for the U.S.? Where were the Williams sisters, Venus and Serena, who declined invitations to play? They thought others could handle it, saying they might be available later. But now there is no later because Capriati couldn’t or wouldn’t act the part of a team player for a few days. And why didn’t her father-coach, Stefano, serve as a good influence by reminding his kid of her responsibilities to the team to get the job done?
“When we’re together as a team, we emphasize the team concept,” says King. “We have rules and Jennifer didn’t follow them.”
This sometimes isn’t easy in such an individualistic sport, but Seles, Shaughnessy and Raymond were eager to benefit from icon King’s proven guidance. Not Capriati. She wanted to practice with her father and an independent hitting mate. King insisted that all personal coaches and training sessions be set aside while the team was intact, a directive accepted by all but the Capriati’s.
Seles, the most mature of the team and a survivor of considerable adversity, was eager to subjugate herself to teamwork. She agreed that Capriati, in wanting to practice privately and in other unnamed abuses of the spirit of teamsmanship, should be dismissed.
Julia Levering, recent president of the U.S. Tennis Association, says, “Billie Jean was right, even though it cost us the season. Sadly, this has been building with Jennifer.”
What she means, of course, is that old malady called the diva demon, not uncommon. So you have the all-time champion King countered by America’s tennis sweetheart, Capriati, and we haven’t heard the last of it.
Full-blown attention and headlines have always stalked Capriati — whether it was her too-much-too-soon phase and highly-publicized personal difficulties, or the roaring comeback of 2001 that marvelously revived a faded career.
Capriati has been testy and as King found out, uncooperative. Nevertheless she has built up a mountain of good will since her rejuvenation at the 2001 Australian Open. The hope here is that she realizes she goofed up in the Federation Cup, apologizes and doesn’t blow it as she almost did once before.

Cybelle Darkholme
May 4th, 2002, 07:47 PM
The sad part is they will never admit that. They'd rather believe jen was superhuman and can do nothing wrong. The woman is human like everyone else and makes mistakes. Their attitude is "oh no not our precious jen! she can disrespect anyone and everyone because she's won 3 grandslams! She's come back from adversity! she's the messiah!"

oh i meant some jen fans not all are like that.

May 4th, 2002, 08:24 PM
I think both of you need to get over it and move on for crying out loud and stop acting like a couple of harpies.......


May 4th, 2002, 08:56 PM
"Seles, Shaughnessy and Raymond were eager to benefit from icon King’s proven guidance. "

Yeah! It seems that they have benefitted A LOT from her advices and training...

Jen was right. Better not stay too close to losers, they might spread the disease!

As for admitting Jen is a bad girl, well, I prefer someone with guts and making fingers than another one who gives flowers to the public before playing.

Cybelle Darkholme
May 4th, 2002, 09:09 PM
As long as the topic is out in the media being discussed then I will contribute to that discussion. funny how that whole episode with indian wells 2001 wasn't harped on, isnt it? (note my sacrasm please)

May 4th, 2002, 09:18 PM

May 4th, 2002, 10:08 PM
Yet we are not talking about Indian Wells 2001 now are we? It's the fact you have a biased opinion about how Jennifer should or should not act on or off court.

Well, you are not the tennis gestapo cybelle. You don't like Jennifer because of her "behavior" fine so you know what to do about it......

Cybelle Darkholme
May 4th, 2002, 10:13 PM
maybe i'm miscommunicating. what I dont like is her *behavior sometimes * on court. Maybe im not expressing myself right. I dont hate the girl. I just have problems with her *behavior sometimes* when she is on court.

also I can't believe you just called my behavior gestapo like. maybe you never lost anyone in ww2 i dont know but i did and i find it highly offensive that you can compare my criticisism of some of jens on court behavior to the atrocities of nazi germany. for the record im jewish and black and lost some relatives during that time.

you know what i dont even want to discuss or debate this anymore theres no point. from now on when anyone brings up jencap I'll just say no comment and leave it at that.

May 4th, 2002, 10:18 PM
Thank you Cybelle now if others could follow you lead we could all move on.....

Crazy Canuck
May 4th, 2002, 10:21 PM
No one calls the kettle black better than Serena y Monica.

Serena y Monica
May 4th, 2002, 10:45 PM
I'd prefer the stove calling the refrigerator white Becca. In any case the truth simply put is that Nobody on the Wta tour behaves as poorly as Jennifer. Her behavior at Fed Cup is really just the final straw. I asure you that she'll find code and point violations coming her way in the future.

Funny thing about bullies, all their power lies in the fear of others. BJK may have made it a lot easier for the chairperson to find his/her ball:p Alls well that ends well:wavey:

May 4th, 2002, 10:47 PM
Yeah whatever Serena Y Monica like you really know what goes on on the WTA tour? Please you know nothing. Becca pegged you just right.......

Serena y Monica
May 4th, 2002, 10:59 PM
Okay Jakeev

But I pegged Jennifer right. She is a mean spirited bully and because karma is a biitch...I'm expecting her God smack any day.

Alas only time will tell...but I'd say the writing is on the wall when an USTA President is quoted saying this:

Julia Levering, recent president of the U.S. Tennis Association, says, “Billie Jean was right, even though it cost us the season. Sadly, this has been building with Jennifer.”

Note the "sadly this has been building with Jennifer." Oops no need...I already did;)

May 5th, 2002, 10:43 AM
The only thing pegged right is that you are obsessed with Jennifer.......another closeted fan how amazing.....:kiss:

May 5th, 2002, 01:05 PM
Jakeev couldnt put it better

May 5th, 2002, 09:49 PM
cool avatar insanity:kiss:

Ted of Teds Tennis
May 6th, 2002, 04:16 AM

Regarding the Julia Levering quote, how do you know she's not simply in CYA mode? It is the sort of spin one would expect in the aftermath of such a debacle.

Note: I don't like Capriati either. The impression I get is the the problem isn't so much with Jennifer as it is with Stefano. The tour would probably be much better off if most of the players' parents weren't around so much :rolleyes:


May 6th, 2002, 05:51 AM
What remains of Fed Cup is Jenn's behavior sucks. So, as much as her fans love her ( wich is fine, of course). She has lost all my respect as a pro player.

She insulted women tennis as any women did before, and that SUCKS.

May 6th, 2002, 08:09 AM
Hmmmmm LucasArnold I am kind of surprised at you.

You don't like Jennifer for obvious reason yet you seem to endorse Mariana Diaz-Oliva, who I know is your countrywoman, but whom I read in another forum was not a very nice person.

You are entitled to you opinions but I think you are wrong Jennifer has not insulted the women's game.

May 6th, 2002, 12:06 PM
Thanks, SYM, for posting this story. I've always been a Bud Collins fan (loud clothes and all). Anyway, I stand behind my initial stance on "Fedgate": Jenn was wrong. Fed Cup is a TEAM effort and for 3 days she could've put aside her superstar status and followed Billie's team procedure.

May 6th, 2002, 12:31 PM

May 7th, 2002, 12:04 PM
Hi Beige:wavey:

I think for the most part, most of us agree Jennifer did not handle the FedCup situation the right way.

The problem with all of it, it gave certain people ammnuniton to put her down and make her out to be some sort of monster.

Many have been objective about the whole situation but as usual, the "holier than thou" posters just had to start getting judgemental and pissed off fans like myself.

Don't like Jennifer or actions? Fine, they just need to have a little more respect for the fans who support her......EVEN WHEN SHE ISN'T PERFECT.

May 7th, 2002, 01:42 PM
Hey Jakeev! :wavey: I hear ya. It's unfortunate though that fans (of any sport really) will use these types of incidents to exploit their dislike of a certain player. I have nothing against Jenn other than she needs to choose her battles wisely (read: some of the line call disputes aren't necessary-- especially if she's killing her opponent). What people should've stipulated when they were critical of Jenn on the "Fedgate" issue is that they would've been equally critical if it were any other player.

May 7th, 2002, 01:43 PM
It is done and over with.We all need to get on with our lives. Both,I feel were at fault. Jen for being so pig-headed and strong willed (I am a Cap fan),but that is how she has made it this far. And BJK for jumping a little too quick,and changing rules on her players.(I am a BJK fan also) I don't see what the big deal would have been,had the personal coachs been there to watch. After all that is what they are paid for and they do know their players games the best.Imagine banning the coaches from Davis Cup play!:eek:

May 7th, 2002, 06:25 PM
BJK according to herself ( from the latest Tennis magazine ):

"I'm a volleyer - I react too fast. John McEnroy, myself, Martina Navratilova, we all get in trouble because our brains think in different way. Serve-and-volleyers just have a different brain"..

Interesting admission. Would not she better adjust her brain to something else when she is captaining a team of baseliners?

May 7th, 2002, 08:04 PM
nice one

May 7th, 2002, 08:18 PM
sorry, but what does BJK's statement in tennis magazine have to do with Fedgate? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: