View Full Version : Was anyone else surprised at this? : Venus d Martina 7-5 6-3

May 4th, 2002, 01:33 PM
I know I was.

Sure Venus COULD beat Martina on clay.
Sure Venus HAS beaten Martina on clay.

But I was expecting three sets, and probably at least one tie-breaker. Especially with Venus at only 99% (ankle).
Who SAW the match? What went on? I for one kind of expected a Hingis win, even though I was rooting hard for Venus. I can't get any decent stats out of the tournament website.

May 4th, 2002, 01:41 PM
No I'm not surprised. I predicted a 6-4, 7-5 score for the match. Anyway I didn't think it would be hard for Venus to get up for this match and focus.

May 4th, 2002, 01:41 PM
I wasn't particularly surprised at the end result - before the match, I had absolutely no clue who would win, it was a total toss-up - but I WAS surprised it didn't go to a third set.

May 4th, 2002, 01:42 PM
I didn't think Hingis would get as many games as she did off the Countess of Clay. :eek: :p

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May 4th, 2002, 01:52 PM
Well, i was spot-on in my prediction.

::stop the accolades, i am not a prophet, okay:D ::

I was not suprised at all. Venus should have even won 6-4 6-2. I just followed the scores.
You see, the QUEEN can really move the ball around, contrary to what some might have you believe. In fact i would expect Venus to beat the top players most of the tome on Clay. Because she rallies more and can measure her aggressiveness better than say Serena.

All the characteristics of clay presents other opportunities, although she cannot play dominant tennis on clay as she does on hardcourts. But note that nobody could do that either. On clay, opponents always have chances.

Personally Martina, the way she plays now, have better chance on hardcourts against the QUEEN, because she could get some pace. Remember, what separates the QUEEN from the other tall players is her ability to get to all balls and return with fire (courtesy of Lindsay). So she has more time to plan her game.

I hope you being the great Statistician, you've noticed that it was far back as 1998 when Martina beat Venus on clay.

May 4th, 2002, 02:08 PM
Before the match I thought it would go to three sets, but in the first set they kept breaking each others serve. But I had a feeling Venus would improve her serve for the second set and keep breaking Hingis' serve and win it in two.:bounce:

May 4th, 2002, 02:36 PM
I was definitely surprised, because I really thought that Vee's ankle would hamper her performance :P

May 4th, 2002, 02:52 PM
No surprise here, just relief.

May 4th, 2002, 02:59 PM
Maybe a little by the relative ease of victory. But in all honesty, Martina's days of competiting with the sisters has long since past. She may on one of her great days gain a victory, but it alas will be rare..........very rare. :cool:

Williams Rulez
May 4th, 2002, 03:38 PM
Yeah, I was a little surprised that Venus just came out firing, always having a lead...

I was thinking that Venus might start slow again like she did against Arantxa, so it did surprise me. However, the winner of this match didn't surprise me...

May 4th, 2002, 05:30 PM
I wasn't surprisd at all. I *knew* that Venus would win this match, sort of like a gut feeling. Martina CAN beat Venus, and convincingly, but she has sucked lately.(I hate to admit it) She HAS to change her game plan!!! It's so frustrating to see her go out there and make the same mistakes she has done, over and over again, when they're completely changeable. Venus played impeccably tough I'm told, hopefully Marti will get revenge next time.:D GO MARTINA!!!:kiss: :kiss:

May 4th, 2002, 05:41 PM
Beforehand I thought Martina had a great shot, but I'm not at all surprised at the final result. I'm never surprised anymore when Martina loses to either the Williams sisters or Capriati. No matter the surface, mentally she just seems completely lost against these players.

May 4th, 2002, 05:45 PM
I have to say I was suprised to read this news!!

May 4th, 2002, 05:46 PM
I saw the match and Venus was really dominant, nothing Martina could have done. In fact I bemieve Venus made less unforced errors than Martina and of course many more winners. She was getting everything back and often hit a winner out of the most amazing positions. Martina was playing well, sometimes a bit too passive but there was not much she could do really. It was a very entertaining match and if Venus can keep up this level of play, she'll be hard to beat in the weeks to come...

May 4th, 2002, 05:54 PM
I predicted that if Venus came out aggressive from the start, she would win in two easy sets. I didn't see the match, but from the scores it looks like Martina came out aggressive in the first set also ... so maybe that first set wasn't so easy, I don't know.

May 4th, 2002, 06:11 PM
I would not read too much from this.
First, it is Martina's first tournament in more than a month.
Second, Venus won Hamburg last year too. And? As it was noticed all recent RG champions ( ASV-98, Graf-99, Pierce-00, Capriati-01) won NO warmups on red clay. Which could be a coincidence, but I'd rather think that winning on clay requires so much more focus and effort than on other surfaces, that most of players understand that they are unable to keep the top winning form on clay for a long, and they won't be able to peak twice in such a short interval and, so they opt to peak by RG time. No one is going to dominate clay court season like it regularly happens on hardcourts or indoors. Because there is no easy matches on clay. If I were a Venus fan, I'd rather be worried that she might be peaking too early. I am absolutely sure that most of players gunning for RG ( Hingis, Capriati, Henin, Clijsters )are not even at 70% at the moment. Last year some players chose to peak by the start of red clay season ( Williams, Dokic, Mauresmo ). They achieved remarkable results in warmups, but when it was time of RG, other players peaked and it was a different game, and they all ended up losing early.Notice, that in last four years Venus Williams won warmups twice, and didn't win any warmups also twice. Coincidentally, in those two years that she didn't win any warmups, she reached QF at Roland Garros, and in those years when she won something, she lost earlier at RG. Could be a coincidence too.

May 4th, 2002, 06:12 PM
Surprised ? No.

Impressed ? Yes.

Of course, if the score had been reversed, I'd probably feel the same way - both women are tough to beat.

Dawn Marie
May 4th, 2002, 06:48 PM
I was not surprised at all!! Infact I learned to never count out Venus in any match.:) Gumbycat e-mailed me and said he was not too optimistic about Venus chances!! Well, I promptly e-mailed his butt back and told him that Venus is a hard player to beat and that if Dani had 51 errors and lost with only two breaks that,, heck Venus had good chances. I also sid that I think ASV, is better on clay then Martina, and that since Venus beat her.. that she had a great shot.:):) Hi Gumbycat..lol

I am surprised that Venus took it away in the second though.. as I thought Hingis would of played much better at that point.


Cybelle Darkholme
May 4th, 2002, 06:56 PM
ys, you are kidding right? Do you mean to say that martina "opted" to lose so she would peak instead for the French open? Okay that makes no sense or is it just me?

I'd also like to add that maybe the problem with Martina is that before 1997 1998 1999 etc she was so dominant because the other girls were still learning the game or were trying to come back to it. Their games were evolving whereas martina had discovered the full extent of her abilities and put them to grand use.

Eventually the other girls got better and improved while Martina stayed at a standstill in her game, frozen in time. I mean how many years have we been saying Martina improve your serve!!! Has she done it? Before it wouldnt matter as much because she was so much better than the other girls, not anymore though.

May 4th, 2002, 07:04 PM
Venus won the first clay meeting. Good for her. It aint over until the final Saturday of Roland Garros that's when Martina will be holding up the trophy. :D :D :D

May 4th, 2002, 07:16 PM
All I wanted for Venus on clay this year was a better year than last year. Well, by making the final here, it's indisputable that was better than last.

CH Hamburg
r3 Berlin
r1 Roland Garros

CH Amelia island
FR Hamburg (so far)
?? Rome
?? Roland Garros

I'm amazed people are even thinking about Venus winning Roalnd Garros. I'd be perfectly happy with a semi there. Well, not 'perfectly', but it would be a career best performance there for Venus. The important thing is, she's clearly playing better than last year, and getting better results.

May 4th, 2002, 07:18 PM
ys, you are kidding right? Do you mean to say that martina "opted" to lose so she would peak instead for the French open?

Is this the only interpretation you see? Minds of some people really work in mysterious way..:)

May 4th, 2002, 07:21 PM
I am more intrigued to see how she does against her first power player opponent on clay tomorrow when she plays Clijsters.

Bright Red
May 4th, 2002, 07:27 PM
I admit that I was surprised, too. I think it was a combination of Hingis reputation on clay relative to Venus' and also Venus' hurt ankle. I went straight to Yahoo Sports to check the scoreline, and voila, I saw Venus' name in bold. What a relief!

Go Venus!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

May 4th, 2002, 07:35 PM
Not surprised....at all.

Originally posted by ys
If I were a Venus fan, I'd rather be worried that she might be peaking too early.

Whose worried. I've waited two years for this. It's CRUISE CONTROL now. Venus is going deep in upcoming games. Very deep.

Worried???? Please, that's nolonger a Williams fan shortcoming.