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47eggs
Dec 5th, 2005, 04:35 PM
I don't hear much about one of my favourite players on WTAworld:
Dinara Safina

What do you think of her? Shes great

Is she future top 10 material? I am certain she is!

What will her year end ranking be? 12

Best performance you have seen? Paris

Please tell all :)

Ellery
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:27 PM
I liked Dinara, :D until she made that silly comment after her match vs Jie at AO 2005. That really affected my appeciation of her. :o

47eggs
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:29 PM
I liked Dinara, :D until she made that silly comment after her match vs Jie at AO 2005. That really affected my appeciation of her. :o


Why, what did she say?

tennisrox
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:30 PM
Dinara's a good player.Top 20 material,maybe top 15,but I think she's too much of a headcase for top ten.She may grow out of it though.

Ellery
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:36 PM
Why, what did she say?
She said after the match, 'I don't sign to Chinese' :o Some of the Chinese fans behaved in an inappropriate way during the match, but the comment is still inappropriate :o

47eggs
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:39 PM
She said after the match, 'I don't sign to Chinese' :o Some of the Chinese fans behaved in an inappropriate way during the match, but the comment is still inappropriate :o

i didn't know that.

Volcana
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:48 PM
She's actually more of a head case than her brother. e mental focus is for shit. Physically, she's got every tool to win three or four slams, but she can't keep it dialed more than three or matches in a row. She ought to have made the top ten this year, given the injuries to the Belgians and the Williamses.

Penglover
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:51 PM
she is a bit well-known because of her brother.

Her performance is :eek: :scared:

jrm
Dec 5th, 2005, 08:38 PM
Funny - almost every other Russian is more impressive in my opinion than Dinara

shannonannafan
Dec 5th, 2005, 08:41 PM
DINARA ROCKS!!! She's fun to watch and has awesome potential.

Helen Lawson
Dec 5th, 2005, 08:42 PM
I'd say she's slightly better than average looking for a tennis player. She's nowhere near Big Masha and Little Masha, and she's not as hot as most of the top Russians like Lena D, Myskina, so she's actually below average in the looks department from the Russian brigade, but against all the other women on the tour, Helen gives her a 5.

CooCooCachoo
Dec 5th, 2005, 08:48 PM
Please stop making thread after thread.

Thanks.

Shonami Slam
Dec 5th, 2005, 08:51 PM
She seems to be around for such a long time now. she's been a tour regular since mid 2002, doing great on clay, highlighted by her huge Sopot win, beating clay sepcialists as Schnyder, Serna and Nagyova en route.
she went from 10Ks and a rank of 451 to an amazing 83, beating 6 top50 players (including 14th seed Farina-Elia on carpet, after losing the first set 0-6).
she compiled a great 22-7 on the wtatour (including quallies) and really placed herself as a fast riser to be watched.
it's quite an amazing feature - she never got any of the hype other youngsters recieved - maybe because of other rising russians at the time.
thw 2003 expectations were a bit crushed - her slow movement and shot making still wasn't as developed as now - her serve wasn't consistent enough on the hard courts, and some misfurtune saw her drawing srebotnik at the Aussie open (32nd seed) Myskina at RG and molik on clay.
Perhaps micing up the order would have saw her causing huge upsets - but two big wins (world #13 Dementieva and World #11 Maleeva), as well as a title in palermo esteblished her place in the top100 and when an easy draw at the USopen was handed to her she would make the round of 16, losing to Jutsine Henin.
Her win/loss record wasn't as impressive - but the level od opponents she was handling went way up as well - and she would beat 7 top50 players - a sign of her abbilities against the better players on tour.
her dissapointing aussie runs were stopped bybeating world #16 Martinez and reaching the QF or gold coast. she would also beat amanda Coetzer en route to a 3rd round showing at the AO.
but all was reduced in compared to her Paris-indoors run. Untill then - two top20 wins in home soil at Moscow, as a WC hinted what would become her best run till then - Qualifying and Making it to the semis - losing once more to Clijsters, but not before Beating two top20 oplayers en route for the first time in her career - Schnyder and Schivaone. a few bad showings at the clay season ruined her chances for debut at the top30 - and she would reach the second round only in the french open - but lose the first round of Wimbledon, going 0-3 on the surface on the wtatour along a first round loss in eastbourne.
She had a very bad Clay season in her standards - going 4-6 and never winning 2 matches consecutivly on the surface - but a bad mid-season turned bright as dinara reached the indoor Luxembourg tourny final losing to Alicia Molik of Australia.
however - there was a feeling of a miss, having a great chance to win another clay tournament and possibly getting into the top20 with a couple of better shows on the us hardcourt season.
2005 started off in fantastic fashion - she would revenge three losses to Japan's Ai sugiyama at her first match of the season.
a Mediocre show at the aussie didn't look promising, as Safina returned to the sight of her best run till then - Paris Open Gaz the France.
and what do you know - She improved the feature by two rounds, winning the title and posting her first top10 win in the final against local girl Amelie Mauresmo.
the huge Tier2 title improved on her Tier3 title in Sopot, was followed by a mediocre tournies untill the clay season began - reaching the semis of estoril and winning her fourth title of her short career in Prague, a Tier IV event.
a tough draw against unseeded razzano bounced her out of a possible giant killing run at RG, and we are still to see how she can fair at the biggest clay event possible.
on grass however - things were starting to look much better - improving her 0% win ratio on grass to 4/5, reaching the third round in Wimbledon, losing to top seed Davenport. It was another dissapointing grand slam attempt at the USopen, losing the first round match, but SF appearances in Luxembourg, Moscow and Hasselt boosted her rankings into the top20, highlighting her Indoor career with the biggest win possible - defeating world #1 Sharapova in three sets.

At the moment it seems as though the toung russian is progressing very dteadily upwards, with her main strengths at the small clay events and the big indoor tournies.
That kind of combination leaves us with the aussie and us hardcourt seasons which she steadily improved, showing promising signs with her 4th round showing at the USO and a 3rd round at the AO.
a hard-court title is only a matter of time, and her improvment on grass this year was phenominal.
Her all-court success was also added to her doubles success, co-operating with spainush player Anabel Madinna Garrigues to reach 4 wtatour finals, winning a grass title in Hertsenboch. she also reached 4 Semifinals and won the decisive rubber with Dementieva in the fed-cup.

all in all i'd say she has an all-court game, she's growing very powerful yet can be very witty on court. her movement has improved alot, and her serve is really powerful.
she showed alot of spirit against Sharapova and Mauresmo, and proved she can do better.
If she can keep up the improvment this year - there is no reason she won't be the years Schnyder - consistently doing well on all surfaces and challenging the top10.
If she can do better in the aussie circuit - she can go as high as 13 or so, but obviously she will be dropping plenty of points after the Gaz de france tourny.
but really - from then on she has all to gain and little to lose, and by the USopen she could be a consistent top20 player, with more big wins under her belt and a great pressence on tour.
I really like her - She's probably the first youngster i started following (along Strycova who dissapeared in the meantime).
i liked her brother, i think she's great and could be a force to reckon.
She should do really well this year, challenging the upcoming teens with her experience. a little more consistency would help her a great deal. too many first round losses and second round dissapointments to players ranked much lower than her.
reached the QF or better the majority of her time should reflect her abbilities - but she has to improve that head.

timafi
Dec 5th, 2005, 09:02 PM
Shonami,
u can not be serious about Safina being an all court-player? :eek: :eek:
her records in Slams
AO: never made it past the 3th round(2004)
RG:never past 2th round(2004)
W:never past the 3th round(2005)
UO:never made it past the 4th round(2003)
4 singles titles and 2 in doubles :rolleyes:

Shonami Slam
Dec 5th, 2005, 11:50 PM
Shonami,
u can not be serious about Safina being an all court-player? :eek: :eek:
her records in Slams
AO: never made it past the 3th round(2004)
RG:never past 2th round(2004)
W:never past the 3th round(2005)
UO:never made it past the 4th round(2003)
4 singles titles and 2 in doubles :rolleyes:

well - for starters - apart grass, where she "only" reached the junior finals - she's excelled at all surfaces apart outdoor hardcourts, maybe.
as for the slams - she's been a bit unlucky, as i said - playing some good players, but occasionally she did let her mind stroll along elsewhere. oafette.
besides - RG is the only weak spot in her resum'e, considering she showed such promising signs on the surface with her amazing Sopot run.
She's pretty darn great on indoor tournies - that's her big results.
Her game varries for every sort of surface, she uses the court well for each one and she can baseline well and net-play nicely (though her movement isn't great for coming up the net).
she's one of the most successful teenagers around, and only started playing the GS in 2003 really, so in 3 years, i'd say she's doing reasonably well on the tour, and the grand slams success will come along.
3rd round in all slams should really be her goal for the year - creating some sort of stability for once.
she'll be reaching more 4th rounds this year - you'll see.
she might not be a mega-player, but 3rd, 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds isn't too bad as well.

JulesVerne
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:09 AM
She does not have as much talent as her brother Marat.

robert6061
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:09 AM
I think Dinara has huge potential but her relatively poor mobility compared to her contemporaries is the flaw in her make up which will stop her reaching the top ten. Also, Tennisrox made the astute observation that her mental frailty is also threatening to handicap her progress to the top flight of the women's game. This is such a shame as Dinara is such an interesting player. When I first saw her in the juniors, she immediately reminded me of Lindsay when she was a junior. Lindsay ultimately became the world's best player and the winner of 3 Grand Slam singles titles.....and my personal favourite player (GO LINDSAY!!!!!). Similarities with Lindsay still remain and the improvement in Lindsay's physical conditioning have been astonishing. Can Dinara do the same? Unfortunately I don't think so. Her mental frailty is an albatross around her neck. After winning the dramatic final at the Open Gaz de France, I thought there were signs she was about to enjoy some of the success of Maria, Elena, Anastsia, Svetlana and Nadia but this sadly proved to be the highlight of a fairly ordinary year for her. Let's hope 2006 will bring more good fortune for this highly appealing player.

controlfreak
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:14 AM
I saw her play live and she reminded me of the Incredible Hulk (only less green).
Either that or some bizarre genetic experiment.
She may not be the absolute tallest on the tour but I had no idea girls even came in that shape or size until I saw Dinara.

@m@nd@
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:18 AM
i think shes top 20 material.

Orion
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:49 AM
Like her brother: enormously talented, enormously unbalanced. She's inconsistent. That's the best word for it. She's got what it takes to outdo the 3rd Tier also-rans (Smashnova, Farina-Elia, Likhovtseva, etc.), but probably not enough to breakthrough to the 1st Tier consistent Semi's, Final's, Victories (Sharapova, Davenport, Clijsters, etc.). I'd say a couple semi's in a couple slams would be realistic, likely at the French and Aussie, with a quarterfinal or two at the US Open, and some 4th round exits at Wimbledon. If she boosts her consistency, she's got the game to upset anyone, but she rarely carries that momentum through to a follow up win. She needs lucky draws right now. In a year or two, she can probably do better without the luck.

bellascarlett
Dec 6th, 2005, 04:22 AM
I love her brother! :hearts: ... :lick:

bellascarlett
Dec 6th, 2005, 04:25 AM
i think shes top 20 material.

but she is already in the top 20...i think she's 20th, no?...

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Dec 6th, 2005, 04:52 AM
but she is already in the top 20...i think she's 20th, no?...

:lol:

Kunal
Dec 6th, 2005, 05:30 AM
dinara has potential.....

ppl said that couple of yrs ago as well...

but I thought she would have had that kick to her career and gone up the ranks a little more quickly. hope 06 is better for her.

She doesnt have that box office personality of a serena or seles though

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Dec 6th, 2005, 06:34 AM
I wish she does become sort of like myskina... but not with the same stinking attitude..

tennisrox
Dec 6th, 2005, 08:25 AM
Like her brother: enormously talented, enormously unbalanced. She's inconsistent. probably do better without the luck.

Dinara has a lot of potential,but she's nowhere near her brother in terms of raw talent.Marat is an idiot,but there's no denying the fact that he's brilliant.Dinara is very good,but I wouldn't compare her with her brother.She shares her brother's unstable mentality,but unfortunately I don't think she has his level of brilliance to offset it. :(

Andy.
Dec 6th, 2005, 08:58 AM
Im a big fan i think she has a lot of potential posibly top ten.

bellascarlett
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:54 PM
Marat is an idiot,but there's no denying the fact that he's brilliant.Dinara shares her brother's unstable mentality,but unfortunately I don't think she has his level of brilliance to offset it. :(

:haha: :bigclap: good one! great way to put it!...can I borrow that phrase to be part of my sig? hahahahaha!!!...just love it....

Fantastic
Dec 6th, 2005, 02:10 PM
Dinara will reach the Top 10 within the next two years. How long she'll stay there is another matter and anyone's guess. I guess it depends on how badly she wants it. Right now, I think she wants it too much and that it could be effecting her results and her mentality. She's a girl with a lot to prove because her brother has already done it all before her. The pressure of playing alone would be hard for most people to handle, but add the pressure of living up to the success of an older sibling, and it's amazing that Dinara has done as well as she already has. Truthfully, she doesn't have much to hurt the very top players right now. Her biggest win was over Amelie Mauresmo this year, so the potential to improve and be at that level consistently is there.

tennisrox
Dec 6th, 2005, 02:18 PM
:haha: :bigclap: good one! great way to put it!...can I borrow that phrase to be part of my sig? hahahahaha!!!...just love it....

Be my guest :wavey:

goldenlox
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Marat was asked about Dinara -

Does Dinara consult you on professional matters a lot?

No. At the age of 19 a person has to make their own mistakes, hurt themselves, otherwise you cannot become strong. You’ve been through this, I’ve been through this and she will, too. Dinara has grown up, we started to communicate more and during, for example, Grand Slams we go and have dinner when we get a chance. But I don’t barge in with my advice.



Do you want your sister to live up to the surname or you don’t care what ranking she’s got?

It doesn’t matter. The most important thing is that she remains a normal human being. And I don’t care whether she is 10th, 300th or quits tennis as such. It is more important that everything she does makes her happy and does her good.

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/4110/42153622003ns.jpg

Solitaire
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:19 PM
Safina has a solid game, is she top ten material I don't know. For her to do that she'd really have to work on the mental side of her game. She has way too many mental breakdowns on court. I'm thinking a sports psychologist could really help her and Marat. Tho Marat can get away with it more cause of his natural talent.

Can any one say Big Ass back swing on the forehand? By the time she wines that thing up I've been to the bath and back.

Corswandt
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:29 PM
She's actually more of a head case than her brother. e mental focus is for shit. Physically, she's got every tool to win three or four slams, but she can't keep it dialed more than three or matches in a row.

Interesting - would you believe that, from the handful of matches I've seen, she seemed exactly the opposite to me (i.e. stolid, very strong psychologically, all fighting spirit and will to win)?

I'm sure your analysis is the correct one; I must have unconsciously let Dinara's sheer hulking mass influence my assessment of her actual gameplay:

She may not be the absolute tallest on the tour but I had no idea girls even came in that shape or size until I saw Dinara.

Exactly.

tennisrox
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:50 PM
Interesting - would you believe that, from the handful of matches I've seen, she seemed exactly the opposite to me (i.e. stolid, very strong psychologically, all fighting spirit and will to win)?


I'm sorry,but what?? :tape:

honeyke
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:54 PM
dinara has a lot of potential i guess,but physically she isn´t the strongest.she has to work harder and i think mentally she could also be a lot better.the are sometimes these ups and downs. dinara has some weapons,but when she´s mentally out of control she is able to lose against a player out of the top 100

bellascarlett
Dec 6th, 2005, 04:24 PM
Be my guest :wavey:

Thanks! I'll probably use it here coz if I go on the Marat forum over on MTF, I'm thinking they probably won't love it...If ever, I guess I'll quote you...take the blame off myself...:lol:...

creep
Dec 6th, 2005, 04:26 PM
If she didn’t slouch so much on court, she’d be one of my favourite players.

matthias
Dec 6th, 2005, 04:27 PM
i can´t stand her

Bubba08
Dec 6th, 2005, 04:39 PM
The sucess of her brother put her in the second plan. Moreover she is not in the best country, there are too many Russian girls on the tour.

Corswandt
Dec 6th, 2005, 04:42 PM
I'm sorry,but what?? :tape:

Read the rest of the post.

Penglover
Dec 6th, 2005, 04:59 PM
she has a good temper as her brother's :lol:

Drimal
Dec 7th, 2005, 08:08 AM
I wish she does become sort of like myskina... but not with the same stinking attitude..

Why do you have to mention Nastya here! :rolleyes:

Dinara Safina is actually a little bit inconsistent for top 10. On a good day she beats players like Amélie Mauresmo or Maria Sharapova but on bad days she suffers losses against Camerin or Razzano.

But the girl has great potential and I can see her reach a quarterfinal of a Grand Slam in a two or three years! :D


Good luck Dinara Safina! :worship:

Hayato
Dec 7th, 2005, 08:10 AM
I don't like her attitude at all. But her game...she just has an amazing physique and I love her style. :hearts:

alibaby
Dec 7th, 2005, 10:45 AM
she is a bit well-known because of her brother.

Her performance is :eek: :scared:
no,come on,thats way too harsh!!she had a very good year,she played a lot of good matches(remember,she beat amelie in the spring at paris,indoors,that is some effort!),so to say,her performance at all is bad,is pretty unfair.ok,shes quite highly-strung,but shes not alone with that on the tour...so,we should not make an "dinara s."affair out of it.this girl will go her way!!

tennisrox
Dec 7th, 2005, 12:15 PM
no,come on,thats way too harsh!!she had a very good year,she played a lot of good matches(remember,she beat amelie in the spring at paris,indoors,that is some effort!),so to say,her performance at all is bad,is pretty unfair.ok,shes quite highly-strung,but shes not alone with that on the tour...so,we should not make an "dinara s."affair out of it.this girl will go her way!!

Penglover is harsh on anyone who is not chinese :rolleyes:

I think dinara has done pretty decently this year.A bit patchy at times,but definitely not bad.I think people just expect a lot from her because she is Marat's sister.Unfair,but thats life. :shrug: