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Hingie
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:12 AM
You gotta give it to her - the girl knows how to announce a comeback.

She hasn't even stepped foot on a court yet in pro competition and already the tennis world is in a buzz at the prospect of her competing once again.

Love her or hate her, her immaculately technically perfect game, her open attitude, her direct nature enabling her to express how she really feels - the WTA needed this back.

It's sure reinvigorated my interest in the women's game!

I just hope she can compete once again and we have her for at least a few more years.

dinhd82
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:13 AM
oh this is so true, it's not even funny!

CanadianBoy21
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:14 AM
I agree.

I missed Hingi.

Remember when she was called Chucky? Is that still around, lol.

I hope she gets a Slam, and hopefully moves up to the top. However I think she'll definitely struggle at the beginning.

BTW, hope her serve is better.

Equipped
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:15 AM
It makes one wonder why Capriati hasn't taken advantage of the media in the same way. (Of course, Jen hasn't had such a great relationship w/ the media in the past....) Hingis (and her people) have certainly marketed the situation wonderfully, no?

Luck to both JC & MH, irrespective of their PR-machines! :angel:

eddie_hyden
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:18 AM
You gotta give it to her - the girl knows how to announce a comeback.

She hasn't even stepped foot on a court yet in pro competition and already the tennis world is in a buzz at the prospect of her competing once again.

Love her or hate her, her immaculately technically perfect game, her open attitude, her direct nature enabling her to express how she really feels - the WTA needed this back.

It's sure reinvigorated my interest in the women's game!

I just hope she can compete once again and we have her for at least a few more years.

totally agreed.

don't talk bout matches, i've even been tuning in WTA forums A LOT since she announced her comeback, which I very seldom did since I was always hooked up to the ATP.

WTA has been quite boring lately...

Andy.
Dec 5th, 2005, 08:55 AM
She will definatly spice things up and i think she will add another personality/star that the tour is lacking, at the moment Its only the Williams girls and Masha that are what you would call stars and Hingis adds another one to the list, Clijsters, Henin, Mary and Lindsay i would call lesser stars

KimC&MariaSNo1's
Dec 5th, 2005, 09:02 AM
she gonna heat the tour up cause she on fire and is always gonna create interest

liuxuan
Dec 5th, 2005, 09:06 AM
I agree.

I missed Hingi.

Remember when she was called Chucky? Is that still around, lol.
.

I preferred Fraulein Forehead:devil: (steffi link:bounce: )

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 5th, 2005, 10:24 AM
I don't really think she's the key ingredient the WTA has been missing.
The WTA has continued to do well with or without her playing.
If all the players in the top 20 were actually healthy all at the same time, there would really be no need to think about Hingis.
Problem is that is probably never going to happen so someone needs to substitute when Venus, Serena, Capriati, Mary, or Maria happen to be injured.

If Hingis would have made her announcement to come back during the WTA season, not many people would have turned their heads.
Kim is back. Justine is back. Patty is back. Mary is back. Kinda makes Hingis announcement pale in comparison to these other girls who have some pretty big fanbases.

For Hingis to be a key ingredient, she would have to be a top 15 player and be a factor at slam and other big tournis.
Many people enjoy watching Hingis' game. She's pretty amazing. Noone is going to come to early round matches to see Hingis play though.

I would like to mention Daniela Hantuchova who had a slump a couple of year ago. She's probably playing as good as she's ever played and yet still has not made her way into the top 15.
It took Mary Pierce 3 years of hard work and rededication to get back in the top 15. The results just came in the last 6 months.
On the other side of the spectrum, it took Kim 4 months to get back in the top 15 after being ranked as low as 134.
The question is where is Hingis likely to be in that spectrum?

TonyP
Dec 5th, 2005, 12:56 PM
What is obvious is that Hingis' style of play is much missed. Women's tennis has largely slipped into a kind of mindless bashing of the ball. Just stand on the baseline and hit it as hard as you can, going for the winner as early in the point as you can. If it stays in, fine, if it goes out, fine, too.

Sloppy, error filled matches have become common place. So have poor performances in big matches. Aside from this year's Wimbledon final, there have been few thrillers.

And as for star power, there are Venus and Serena, who both seem more interested in their second jobs than in tennis, and Sharapova. Maria certainly is a super star now, but she obviously cannot carry the load for the entire sport. She's a cool beauty, but still just a kid in some ways.

Hingis brings personality back to the game. It is sorely needed, for women's tennis, plauged by all these injuries and pull outs from tournaments, was clearly in the doldrums. All of the attention has been drifting to the men, because they have Federer and Nadal.

sioul
Dec 5th, 2005, 01:10 PM
I don't really think she's the key ingredient the WTA has been missing.
The WTA has continued to do well with or without her playing.
If all the players in the top 20 were actually healthy all at the same time, there would really be no need to think about Hingis.
Problem is that is probably never going to happen so someone needs to substitute when Venus, Serena, Capriati, Mary, or Maria happen to be injured.

If Hingis would have made her announcement to come back during the WTA season, not many people would have turned their heads.
Kim is back. Justine is back. Patty is back. Mary is back. Kinda makes Hingis announcement pale in comparison to these other girls who have some pretty big fanbases.

For Hingis to be a key ingredient, she would have to be a top 15 player and be a factor at slam and other big tournis.
Many people enjoy watching Hingis' game. She's pretty amazing. Noone is going to come to early round matches to see Hingis play though.

I would like to mention Daniela Hantuchova who had a slump a couple of year ago. She's probably playing as good as she's ever played and yet still has not made her way into the top 15.
It took Mary Pierce 3 years of hard work and rededication to get back in the top 15. The results just came in the last 6 months.
On the other side of the spectrum, it took Kim 4 months to get back in the top 15 after being ranked as low as 134.
The question is where is Hingis likely to be in that spectrum?

i dont agree at all. if she would announce her comeback during the season, there would be just as much buzz if not more i bet.

eddie_hyden
Dec 5th, 2005, 01:47 PM
Hingis brings personality back to the game. It is sorely needed, for women's tennis, plauged by all these injuries and pull outs from tournaments, was clearly in the doldrums. All of the attention has been drifting to the men, because they have Federer and Nadal.

yup, i share your sentiments ;)

Hingie
Dec 6th, 2005, 10:50 AM
I don't really think she's the key ingredient the WTA has been missing.
The WTA has continued to do well with or without her playing.
If all the players in the top 20 were actually healthy all at the same time, there would really be no need to think about Hingis.
Problem is that is probably never going to happen so someone needs to substitute when Venus, Serena, Capriati, Mary, or Maria happen to be injured.

If Hingis would have made her announcement to come back during the WTA season, not many people would have turned their heads.
Kim is back. Justine is back. Patty is back. Mary is back. Kinda makes Hingis announcement pale in comparison to these other girls who have some pretty big fanbases.

For Hingis to be a key ingredient, she would have to be a top 15 player and be a factor at slam and other big tournis.
Many people enjoy watching Hingis' game. She's pretty amazing. Noone is going to come to early round matches to see Hingis play though.

I would like to mention Daniela Hantuchova who had a slump a couple of year ago. She's probably playing as good as she's ever played and yet still has not made her way into the top 15.
It took Mary Pierce 3 years of hard work and rededication to get back in the top 15. The results just came in the last 6 months.
On the other side of the spectrum, it took Kim 4 months to get back in the top 15 after being ranked as low as 134.
The question is where is Hingis likely to be in that spectrum?

Hey there.

Yeah i wasn't so much basing this on success - rather her style of play she brings to the tour. The WTA has really turned into big babes tennis and the biggest difference i see between players at the top at the moment is that some are more athletic than others - the principle is pretty much the same - power.

At least Hingis adds another element. She has great match ups with many of the current top - i just hope this can continue and tennis has not passed her by.

Infiniti2001
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:02 PM
And as for star power, there are Venus and Serena, who both seem more interested in their second jobs than in tennis,

If selling out arenas for charity is part of their second job, so be it

and Sharapova. Maria certainly is a super star now, but she obviously cannot carry the load for the entire sport. She's a cool beauty, but still just a kid in some ways.

Maria is a "super star" only in the eyes of her over-eager agents.She isn't even carrying a small portion of the load and to call her a "cool beauty" and "still just a kid" simply reveals your infatuation. By the age of 18, ALL of Hingis's best achievements were BEHIND her. In tennis years, Maria is beyond mature.

Hingis brings personality back to the game. It is sorely needed, for women's tennis, plauged by all these injuries and pull outs from tournaments, was clearly in the doldrums. All of the attention has been drifting to the men, because they have Federer and Nadal.

Anyone who thinks hingis can just sweep in and knock off the top players is dreaming.Forget about Serena , Venus, Lindsay, Amelie, Mary Pierce-- the whole bunch of other Russians who were just coming up last time she was around, and all the young up-and-comers are waiting for her. Some people are just way too transparently desperate to put Venus and Serena down. :tape:

TonyP
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:22 PM
Anyone who does not recognize that Maria has become the super star of tennis is simply deluding themselves. But then, I think most people do recognize her stardom and the fact that some Williams fans get so upset every time her name is mentioned seems to be proof of that. Sorry, but you cannot make somebody unfamous, and you especially can't do it just because her fame is overshadowing the fame of the Williams sisters.

And I'm glad to hear that they are doing some charity work. After the infamous "Hurricane, what hurricane?" comment form Venus and Serena's grand jesture with her hundred bucks per ace pledge, they needed to do something.

But that charity work does not seem to be a career. Its all the time on the party circuit that looks like the real career.

Cybelle Darkholme
Dec 6th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Of course Maria is the latest superstar of tennis. It just happens that if you are not a tennis fan that you most likely don't know who the hell she is.

I know 90 percent of those I talk to have no clue who Maria Sharapova is if they are not a tennis fan. And I am not talking about just the united states but also mexico, holland, The UK, the carribbean, and I can on and on.

But this thread is about Hingis not Maria. I love that Hingis is coming back. I knew it would happen eventualy. No one retires at 21 after having been number one for so long.

Of course I predict that she will be a top twenty player if she's lucky or she will be gone within a year or two after she realizes that she will not be a top ten player. She does not have the fitness to compete with today's players.

Oh and Hingis is not going to "save tennis". If tennis is to be saved the season must end after the us open. Period. There needs to be a legitimate off season.

Also it will great to have hingis back so that players can even up some of those head to head scores. It will be great to see her get beat again and again and again. I never tire of seeing her lose.

So, welcome back martina.... what took you so long?

Cybelle Darkholme
Dec 6th, 2005, 02:15 PM
Anyone who does not recognize that Maria has become the super star of tennis is simply deluding themselves. But then, I think most people do recognize her stardom and the fact that some Williams fans get so upset every time her name is mentioned seems to be proof of that. Sorry, but you cannot make somebody unfamous, and you especially can't do it just because her fame is overshadowing the fame of the Williams sisters.

And I'm glad to hear that they are doing some charity work. After the infamous "Hurricane, what hurricane?" comment form Venus and Serena's grand jesture with her hundred bucks per ace pledge, they needed to do something.

But that charity work does not seem to be a career. Its all the time on the party circuit that looks like the real career.

Are you deluded? Maria's fans are not Venus or Serena fans. Venus and Serena fans are not Maria fans. I'm talking about the majority of fans not a select few who like all three girls.

All three are superstars in tennis. Period. None of them outshine the other. They are all different girls with different flaws and different strengths.


Oh and another difference is that maria has the personality of a cardboard cut out. Maybe its because she's young but she seems to regurgitate what her handlers say.

Hingie
Dec 7th, 2005, 12:29 PM
Of course Maria is the latest superstar of tennis. It just happens that if you are not a tennis fan that you most likely don't know who the hell she is.

I know 90 percent of those I talk to have no clue who Maria Sharapova is if they are not a tennis fan. And I am not talking about just the united states but also mexico, holland, The UK, the carribbean, and I can on and on.

But this thread is about Hingis not Maria. I love that Hingis is coming back. I knew it would happen eventualy. No one retires at 21 after having been number one for so long.

Of course I predict that she will be a top twenty player if she's lucky or she will be gone within a year or two after she realizes that she will not be a top ten player. She does not have the fitness to compete with today's players.

Oh and Hingis is not going to "save tennis". If tennis is to be saved the season must end after the us open. Period. There needs to be a legitimate off season.

Also it will great to have hingis back so that players can even up some of those head to head scores. It will be great to see her get beat again and again and again. I never tire of seeing her lose.

So, welcome back martina.... what took you so long?

Gee, aren't you just a positive person with no issues whatsoever.

"I never tire of seeing her lose"? What sort of comment is that. This is supposed to be a thread about what Martina means to the game - quite frankly people such as yourself really should keep your opinion to yourself.

TonyP
Dec 7th, 2005, 01:04 PM
I would suggest that many, many people in America and I assume, Europe as well, know who Sharapova is. I have seen large ads in normal newspapers like the Los Angeles Times that feature Sharapova huckstering everything from wristwatches to cell phones. That's how athletes get known to the rest of the world, through advertising.

Open Tennis Magazine or other sports magazines and see how many ads you see featuring either Williams sister and see how many you see featuring Sharapova.

The Williams sisters have their constituency and rightly or wrongly, its mostly a black fan base. Sharapova has a different fan base. Its mostly male, but it includes women, too, because she does have a degree of elegance about her, sort of the same kind of patrician coolness that Grace Kelly had. So some women are always going to want to emulate her, which is why she can sell women's wristwatches.

Sorry, I know Williams fans just loath her, or at least, many of the Williams fans who post here do, but anyway, she has come out of nowhere in just two years, becoming an overnight superstar.

She made 20 million dollars in just one year according to most sources, making her the highest paid woman athlete in the world. That speaks for itself.

Pureracket
Dec 7th, 2005, 01:23 PM
I would suggest that many, many people in America and I assume, Europe as well, know who Sharapova is. I have seen large ads in normal newspapers like the Los Angeles Times that feature Sharapova huckstering everything from wristwatches to cell phones. That's how athletes get known to the rest of the world, through advertising.

Open Tennis Magazine or other sports magazines and see how many ads you see featuring either Williams sister and see how many you see featuring Sharapova.

The Williams sisters have their constituency and rightly or wrongly, its mostly a black fan base. Sharapova has a different fan base. Its mostly male, but it includes women, too, because she does have a degree of elegance about her, sort of the same kind of patrician coolness that Grace Kelly had. So some women are always going to want to emulate her, which is why she can sell women's wristwatches.

Sorry, I know Williams fans just loath her, or at least, many of the Williams fans who post here do, but anyway, she has come out of nowhere in just two years, becoming an overnight superstar.

She made 20 million dollars in just one year according to most sources, making her the highest paid woman athlete in the world. That speaks for itself.:lol: I think you REALLY believe some of the stuff you say is validated by somehow pitting the the WS fans against Sharapova fans. Yours is a battle that is only in your mind, Tony. If you could stop your obsession with the WS and their fans, you could probably enjoy this wonderful sport.:wavey:

LostInThe80s
Dec 7th, 2005, 01:31 PM
You gotta give it to her - the girl knows how to announce a comeback.

She hasn't even stepped foot on a court yet in pro competition and already the tennis world is in a buzz at the prospect of her competing once again.

Love her or hate her, her immaculately technically perfect game, her open attitude, her direct nature enabling her to express how she really feels - the WTA needed this back.

It's sure reinvigorated my interest in the women's game!

I just hope she can compete once again and we have her for at least a few more years.

The tennis world in in a buzz? :unsure: I don't see any hype online but then again tennis isn't as popular as other sports. But truthfully, don't you mean WTAWorld is in a buzz? ;)

I like Marti but I can't help but think all these Hingis threads will come back to bite us in the ass haunt us if she decides to quit (again) after a few tournaments. :angel:

tennisjam
Dec 7th, 2005, 01:34 PM
tennis with Hingis can only be more exciting...

TonyP
Dec 7th, 2005, 01:48 PM
I guess you did not read the above posts from Cybill and Infiniti. They were not exactly singing the praises of Sharapova. And I guess you have missed the probably hundreds of damning posts from Williams fans since Wimbledon '04 about Sharapova.

I think it is safe to say that no one, since Hingis' retirement, has generated quite as much hostility among Willie supporters as Maria, but then, there is Justine and the infamous "hand" incident, isn't there?

daffodil
Dec 7th, 2005, 02:02 PM
Even though I don't think that Martina will be a threat to the top players, I still think that she could have a well over 500 year.

Pureracket
Dec 7th, 2005, 02:29 PM
I guess you did not read the above posts from Cybill and Infiniti. They were not exactly singing the praises of Sharapova. And I guess you have missed the probably hundreds of damning posts from Williams fans since Wimbledon '04 about Sharapova.

I think it is safe to say that no one, since Hingis' retirement, has generated quite as much hostility among Willie supporters as Maria, but then, there is Justine and the infamous "hand" incident, isn't there?LOL! You are hilarious! You, in your mind, have singled out two posters as the fanbase of millions. The average WS fan doesn't have an opinion about Maria Sharapova @ all. Maybe you should reflect on your own posts. I think it's safe to say that your posts regarding the WS and their fans are more revealing than what you can say about an entire fanbase.

Infiniti2001
Dec 7th, 2005, 02:33 PM
I would suggest that many, many people in America and I assume, Europe as well, know who Sharapova is. I have seen large ads in normal newspapers like the Los Angeles Times that feature Sharapova huckstering everything from wristwatches to cell phones. That's how athletes get known to the rest of the world, through advertising.

She's another pretty, anonymous blonde; just having a photo in a paper or
magazine that's glutted with pretty blondes doesn't provide her with any
identity at all. She needs achievements of some kind to do that. Frankly, she hasn't done a single thing this year to make herself known to anyone outside ardent tennis aficionados. To the world at large, she's basically nothing- a handful might kow her as "that pretty young player who won Wimbledon- was it two years ago?" But they're forgetting rapidly.

Open Tennis Magazine or other sports magazines and see how many ads you see featuring either Williams sister and see how many you see featuring Sharapova.


It's about equal, but again, you are talking about ardent tennis fans who
also know who Sesil Karatancheva and Sania Mirza are, which the average person doesn't.

The Williams sisters have their constituency and rightly or wrongly, its mostly a black fan base. Sharapova has a different fan base. Its mostly male, but it includes women, too, because she does have a degree of elegance about her, sort of the same kind of patrician coolness that Grace Kelly had. So some women are always going to want to emulate her, which is why she can sell women's wristwatches.


According to friends of mine virtually every kind of person--- middle-aged black and white couples, little blonde girls with ponytails , little black girls with their moms in tow, groups of guys- black and white and Hispanic , Asians , make up the audience at the Mc Donalds tour. Your obsession with this mostly black fans is a figment of your imagination. :rolleyes: Oh and about the wristwatch ads ,
wristwatches are a kind of throwaway- virtually EVERY celebrity endorses one. Look in Vogue or Vanity Fair sometime and count the wirstwatch ads. It's the cheapest kind of advertising.


Sorry, I know Williams fans just loath her, or at least, many of the Williams fans who post here do, but anyway, she has come out of nowhere in just two years, becoming an overnight superstar.



This is just plain ignorance. Her people have been building her fame for
years. When she was merely 14, they "placed" her in Rolling Stone as the hot
upcoming tennis star. Her wider public profile did seem sort of "sudden" but
"sudden' fame evaporates and hers has/will.


She made 20 million dollars in just one year according to most sources, making her the highest paid woman athlete in the world. That speaks for itself.




Actually, it speaks for the hype of her agents and endorsers because those
figures always come from them and they have every motivation in the world to exaggerate. The fact is that we never can know how much any athletes make. I'd cut Maria's take in half to start with. And not only does it not "speak for itself", we'll see how it's speaking in say, another year, if she doesn't start
winning significantly more than she has.

You're clearly seeing exactly what you want to see, but unfortunately for you the world knows better. :tape:

Infiniti2001
Dec 7th, 2005, 02:35 PM
LOL! You are hilarious! You, in your mind, have singled out two posters as the fanbase of millions. The average WS fan doesn't have an opinion about Maria Sharapova @ all. Maybe you should reflect on your own posts. I think it's safe to say that your posts regarding the WS and their fans are more revealing than what you can say about an entire fanbase.

You don't say. It's just his usual crapola trying to justify his personal dislike of the Williams family whatever the reason for it. :rolleyes:

moby
Dec 7th, 2005, 03:09 PM
You don't say. It's just his usual crapola trying to justify his personal dislike of the Williams family whatever the reason for it. :rolleyes:And how is that is different from your, or anyone's, personal dislike of any WTA player?

Infiniti2001
Dec 7th, 2005, 03:26 PM
And how is that is different from your, or anyone's, personal dislike of any WTA player?

Dig through my 7,435 posts and find one where I mentioned any dislike for any WTA player :rolleyes:

moby
Dec 7th, 2005, 03:34 PM
Dig through my 7,435 posts and find one where I mentioned any dislike for any WTA player :rolleyes:Just a guess. I don't stalk you, so I wouldn't know, and seeing as we're talking about personal dislikes, the onus is on you. Otherwise, there's a reason why the "or" was there.

I don't believe TonyP explicity mentioned any dislike for the Williams family in any of his 1228 posts either. :shrug:

Infiniti2001
Dec 7th, 2005, 03:38 PM
classic case of sees what s/he wants to see :tape: Anyway-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TonyP
Dec 7th, 2005, 03:39 PM
"She's another pretty, anonymous blonde...."


Right, an anonymous blonde who earns 20 million bucks. You should be so anonymous.

Infiniti2001
Dec 7th, 2005, 03:47 PM
"She's another pretty, anonymous blonde...."


Right, an anonymous blonde who earns 20 million bucks. You should be so anonymous.

:rolls: Is this the only part of my post worth your response? It sure speaks volumes :rolleyes:

Volcana
Dec 7th, 2005, 04:15 PM
Of course Maria is the latest superstar of tennis. It just happens that if you are not a tennis fan that you most likely don't know who the hell she is.

I know 90 percent of those I talk to have no clue who Maria Sharapova is if they are not a tennis fan. And I am not talking about just the united states but also mexico, holland, The UK, the carribbean, and I can on and on.One of the more fascinating aspects of being a sports fan is trying to remember that 90% of people have no interest in sports at all. The only female tennis player the average person could name on sight is Serena, and that's because of her guest appeaances on TV shows. And even that's 'oh yeah. the tennis player'.

Even Venus, my personal fave, is just not recognized by the average person. They know the name 'Venus Williams' refers to a tennis player, but show someone her picture in a magazine, with no name attached, and no tennis references, and they think she's a model, because she's tall. Not a famous model either. They know they've seen her before, but from where? They have no clue.

Maria Sharapova IS 'just another faceless blonde' to NON-sports fans. She's not that well known even among sports fans, because most sports fans don't care about women's sports. However, among TENNIS fans, Sharapova is recognizable. Having said that, if most tennis fans turn on a match in mid point, will they instantly recognize Sharapova on the court? No. Because there are so many tall, white blondes on the tour right now. Bovina, Safina, Sharapova, Dementieva, Pierce, Zvonareva and on and on and on...

It's a bit easier to pick out one of the Williams sisters, especially if you tune in to the late rounds of a slam.

TonyP
Dec 7th, 2005, 04:20 PM
The only female tennis player people could name on sight is Serena? Sorry, but I don't think that is true. In fact, I don't think most people would recognize Serena on sight, either, unless they saw her in tennis togs.

I think Navratilova and Billy Jean King are much better known and so, probably, is Chris Evert. YOu forget all those years when Chris was sipping ice tea in TV commercials. And, in fact, the whole idea of the tennis bracelet was popularized by Chris Evert.

Then there is the little matter of a girl named Anna Kournikova. Do you honestly think the only people who recognize her are tennis fans? Wasn't she the most searched for celebrity on the internet for several years?

TonyP
Dec 7th, 2005, 07:34 PM
And, now that I think of it, wasn't Sharapova the most searched for name on the internet after the reign of Kournikova?

Denise4925
Dec 7th, 2005, 07:42 PM
If selling out arenas for charity is part of their second job, so be it



Maria is a "super star" only in the eyes of her over-eager agents.She isn't even carrying a small portion of the load and to call her a "cool beauty" and "still just a kid" simply reveals your infatuation. By the age of 18, ALL of Hingis's best achievements were BEHIND her. In tennis years, Maria is beyond mature.



Anyone who thinks hingis can just sweep in and knock off the top players is dreaming.Forget about Serena , Venus, Lindsay, Amelie, Mary Pierce-- the whole bunch of other Russians who were just coming up last time she was around, and all the young up-and-comers are waiting for her. Some people are just way too transparently desperate to put Venus and Serena down. :tape:
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Denise4925
Dec 7th, 2005, 07:44 PM
Anyone who does not recognize that Maria has become the super star of tennis is simply deluding themselves. But then, I think most people do recognize her stardom and the fact that some Williams fans get so upset every time her name is mentioned seems to be proof of that. Sorry, but you cannot make somebody unfamous, and you especially can't do it just because her fame is overshadowing the fame of the Williams sisters.

And I'm glad to hear that they are doing some charity work. After the infamous "Hurricane, what hurricane?" comment form Venus and Serena's grand jesture with her hundred bucks per ace pledge, they needed to do something.

But that charity work does not seem to be a career. Its all the time on the party circuit that looks like the real career.
:haha: :haha: This post is just dripping with WS hate.

Denise4925
Dec 7th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Of course Maria is the latest superstar of tennis. It just happens that if you are not a tennis fan that you most likely don't know who the hell she is.

I know 90 percent of those I talk to have no clue who Maria Sharapova is if they are not a tennis fan. And I am not talking about just the united states but also mexico, holland, The UK, the carribbean, and I can on and on.

But this thread is about Hingis not Maria. I love that Hingis is coming back. I knew it would happen eventualy. No one retires at 21 after having been number one for so long.

Of course I predict that she will be a top twenty player if she's lucky or she will be gone within a year or two after she realizes that she will not be a top ten player. She does not have the fitness to compete with today's players.

Oh and Hingis is not going to "save tennis". If tennis is to be saved the season must end after the us open. Period. There needs to be a legitimate off season.

Also it will great to have hingis back so that players can even up some of those head to head scores. It will be great to see her get beat again and again and again. I never tire of seeing her lose.

So, welcome back martina.... what took you so long?
:lol: I agree. ;) I tire of the same old Maria/Williams' fights, they've become redundant. I feel the need for some good old Hingis/Williams rows. :lol:

Denise4925
Dec 7th, 2005, 07:54 PM
The Williams sisters have their constituency and rightly or wrongly, its mostly a black fan base.
:cuckoo:

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Dec 7th, 2005, 08:19 PM
Martina will always create buzz no matter where she is or what she does.

cunnihingis
Dec 7th, 2005, 08:21 PM
:haha: :haha: This post is just dripping with WS hate.

why do you deduce that his comments stem from hate? one can criticise the ws without being haters. you do realise that, don't you? sometimes i think that some of the ws fans are simply paranoid.

cunnihingis
Dec 7th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Martina will always create buzz no matter where she is or what she does.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

Pureracket
Dec 7th, 2005, 08:31 PM
why do you deduce that his comments stem from hate? one can criticise the ws without being haters. you do realise that, don't you? sometimes i think that some of the ws fans are simply paranoid.Umm.. .I'm thinking you are a lot worst than paranoid if you have somehow allied yourself with Tonyp whenever it comes to the WS.:rolleyes: (By the way, I am paranoid, though.)

Denise4925
Dec 7th, 2005, 08:57 PM
why do you deduce that his comments stem from hate? one can criticise the ws without being haters. you do realise that, don't you? sometimes i think that some of the ws fans are simply paranoid.
It's plain on it's face and secondly, even if I had to deduce, it would be based on past history.
And, I think some fans of Hingis are simply stupid. So, now we've both expressed our opinions.
:wavey:

TonyP
Dec 8th, 2005, 12:25 AM
Ironically, this whole debate started because I mentioned other players, not Hingis. I named Venus, Serena and Maria Sharapova who I called the super stars of the sport, something that apparently angered some Williams fans --mentioning Maria I mean.

They immediately chimmed in that she was just another anonymous blonde --something I take as a code phrase for just another white girl.

At any rate, Maria has for now sort of replaced Justine who had replaced Hingis as the object of their venom. .

Infiniti2001
Dec 8th, 2005, 12:45 AM
Ironically, this whole debate started because I mentioned other players, not Hingis. I named Venus, Serena and Maria Sharapova who I called the super stars of the sport, something that apparently angered some Williams fans --mentioning Maria I mean.

They immediately chimmed in that she was just another anonymous blonde --something I take as a code phrase for just another white girl.

At any rate, Maria has for now sort of replaced Justine who had replaced Hingis as the object of their venom. .


The sooner you get your head out of your ass the better off you will be :lol:

Denise4925
Dec 8th, 2005, 09:16 PM
The sooner you get your head out of your ass the better off you will be :lol:
:lol:

selking
Dec 8th, 2005, 09:18 PM
when mnica comes back, then i'll like tennis like i used to 2 and a half years ago., But until then its not that great

Martian Willow
Dec 8th, 2005, 09:40 PM
They immediately chimmed in that she was just another anonymous blonde --something I take as a code phrase for just another white girl.

They all look the same, don't they? You can't tell them apart.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Dec 8th, 2005, 10:30 PM
brilliance by Hingis... ;)

JennyS
Dec 8th, 2005, 10:31 PM
Martina Hingis

ldavmhing
Dec 2nd, 2009, 04:00 AM
I can't wait until she comes back.

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 2nd, 2009, 04:07 AM
I can't wait until she comes back.
Not gonna happen.

PLP
Dec 2nd, 2009, 07:18 AM
I can't wait until she comes back.

:bigcry: