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Kunal
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:01 AM
http://espnstar.com/tennis/tennis_newsdetail_1656322.html

I won't be muscled out, says Hingis


ZURICH (AFP) - Former world number one Martina Hingis warned the imposing superwomen of the modern game that she will not be muscled out of contention when she returns to the tour in January.
The 25-year-old Hingis, who left the tour three years ago because of a crippling ankle injury, will stage her comeback in January with the Australian Open her first target.

"I have to work on my strength," said the player who won 76 career singles titles and was the world's youngest world number one.

She also won the Australian Open in 1997, 1998 and 1999 as well as the 1997 Wimbledon and US Open titles.

"The game has changed, it has become more physical but not necessarily at the technical level. I will be playing the same girls against whom I played when I was at my peak."

Hingis made a brief comeback this year when she lost a one-off appearance in Thailand, but she insists she still has the ability to make an impact at the highest level.

To that end, she will use Mary Pierce as her inspiration after the French veteran reached the finals of the French and US Opens this year despite passing her 30th birthday.

"The fact that Pierce has had such a good year is a good example," said Hingis.

"My objective is to play in Australia, I am going to try and play there. My goal is to stay healthy and stay in shape. That is probably the biggest task.

"I still love the game," said Hingis who added she is prepared for failure should her hopes be shattered.

"There are worse things out there in the world than losing a tennis match."


Published : December 05, 2005

safinforlife
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:04 AM
Wow I guess Pierce has influenced a lot lately first Dokic now Hingis!!!

Equipped
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:49 AM
I find it fascinating that Pierce has gone from great French hope to complete joke to Veteran Superstar able to inspire the comeback of someone like Hingis. I'm really hoping that Pierce is gonna turn out a stellar 2006 and put a FABULOUS cap on her career.

(She's gonna win Oz, dontcha know?) :worship:

Equipped
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:49 AM
:worship: :worship: :worship: Pierce! :worship: :worship: :worship:

CanadianBoy21
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:16 AM
Pierce influenced me too!

Go Hingis!

dinhd82
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:19 AM
don't let them overpower u Martina. Don't ever give up!

F-R-E-A-K
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:21 AM
Martina :hearts:

eddie_hyden
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:22 AM
well at least it's easier to put up muscles, then say, put up some brain in the games, lol...

never seen hingis latest physical, has she bulked up a bit??

leeber
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:28 AM
should be a bit plumper i think.. don't know much though about her conditioning..

dinhd82
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:30 AM
saw her in the recent interview, she's not plumper at all. and she doesn't need to, just more racket head speed and flatten out her forehand.

Kunal
Dec 5th, 2005, 08:06 AM
it'd be so good for tennis if she starts to play the way she is capable of playing!

Pheobo
Dec 5th, 2005, 09:12 AM
This season is going to be so exciting with Martina and Jelena back! :D

KimC&MariaSNo1's
Dec 5th, 2005, 09:15 AM
i know she wont get out muscled cause she has all the right counter attacks for that if she plays 100% of what she capable of she will be back at top soon

CooCooCachoo
Dec 5th, 2005, 10:15 AM
I hope she won't be overpowered, but I am fearing she will :sad:

Kunal
Dec 5th, 2005, 10:32 AM
i know she wont get out muscled cause she has all the right counter attacks for that if she plays 100% of what she capable of she will be back at top soon


does she really? I remember her playing really really well against venus and serena back in the day and she still could not find an answer to their powergame.

that isnt to say that she always loses to the power hitters...

but i also fear that she might be bossed around by the likes of masha, serena, et al...

She should spend some more time in the gym, i reckon. But what do i know!

Spunky83
Dec 5th, 2005, 10:42 AM
"There are worse things out there in the world than losing a tennis match."


:worship:

So excited :bounce:

Andy.
Dec 5th, 2005, 11:27 AM
The only thing with this is that Pierce has always been a power hitter and doesnt get overpowered by anyone so even when she came back out of shape she was still able to contend becasue of her power. She can still hit with or over power many. I hope though that Hingis can still compete.

Volcana
Dec 5th, 2005, 12:16 PM
I hope she won't be overpowered, but I am fearing she will :sad:Look at it this way. What does Patty Schnyder have that Hingis doesn't. Plus Hingis is taller, and has a better mind.. She may not have the power necessary to be #1 again, but if her feet hold up, there's no reason she can't be a top ten player again.

SilK
Dec 5th, 2005, 12:26 PM
I don't know... how much difference does it make that Patty is a lefty? :shrug:

Fantastic
Dec 5th, 2005, 01:59 PM
I'm not too surprised that Mary Pierce has inspired both Jelena Dokic and Martina Hingis to play again, mainly because she's had a lot to do with both of them as youngsters. Mary was Martina's first conqueror as a pro on the WTA Tour. Mary and Martina became friends over time on the tour and later teamed up to play doubles for a period of time. The respect between them was inevitable and evidenced by Martina's pay of respect in the interview. When Jelena first came on tour, it was Mary that took her under her wing and supported her. While Jelena was being pestered by the intrusive reporters at the US Open in 1999, it was Mary who escorted Jelena into the locker rooms and told the media to "leave her alone, you guys."

Kunal
Dec 5th, 2005, 02:25 PM
now that hingis has created all this excitement amongst wta ppl....i hope she does not let down everyone.......if she tries hard and does not do well....then thats cool.

bellascarlett
Dec 5th, 2005, 02:42 PM
When Jelena first came on tour, it was Mary that took her under her wing and supported her. While Jelena was being pestered by the intrusive reporters at the US Open in 1999, it was Mary who escorted Jelena into the locker rooms and told the media to "leave her alone, you guys."

Aww I didn't know this...Mary seems to be so nice... :angel: :lol:
but what were the reasons for the media's attraction to Jelena at the UO '99? I mean under what circumstances did the reporters pester her?

madame_maria
Dec 5th, 2005, 02:45 PM
whatever to this entire thread.

bellascarlett
Dec 5th, 2005, 02:50 PM
whatever to this entire thread.
huh? not a fan of hingis?

gorecki
Dec 5th, 2005, 03:01 PM
well at least it's easier to put up muscles, then say, put up some brain in the games, lol...

never seen hingis latest physical, has she bulked up a bit??
just a few weeks ago at the WTT charity events

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/mandalay/Martina/6530544dinhd8211172005110815AM.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/mandalay/Martina/6517777dinhd8211172005110827AM.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/mandalay/Martina/6432539dinhd8211172005110440AM.jpg

tennisjay
Dec 5th, 2005, 03:02 PM
Look at it this way. What does Patty Schnyder have that Hingis doesn't. Plus Hingis is taller, and has a better mind.. She may not have the power necessary to be #1 again, but if her feet hold up, there's no reason she can't be a top ten player again.


I never thought of that, it's so true Patty is about the same size as hingis and look at what she done this year she beat Maria, and gave Venus a hard time so she might do well after all.

Bubba08
Dec 5th, 2005, 03:06 PM
It's a mistake, she should be a bit more muscled out. Currently time is hard with thin girl like her. Anyways, she probably knows what she is doing.

SerenaSlam
Dec 5th, 2005, 03:12 PM
i honestly think hingis can get to top 15 close to top 10 but the power game has gotten to strong and consitent lately. look at mary pierce...she is doing well b/c of her consitency with her power...hingis never had power but she says that is what she needs is strengh so that is what she is going to work more so on...i mean look at henin....she was the size of martina....so i don't doubt that martina can get stronger...that is just really the obstacle for her right now....other wise id say the "technical part" of the game and mind part she is still 1 of the 1z at the top of the list....

October
Dec 5th, 2005, 03:14 PM
Well surely Hingis is perfectly correct. If Mary Pierc can regain all her ablities and display her best play at the age of 30+ despite of er weight Hingis surely can crate WONDERS!!! Go Hingis, :bounce: u have a LOTTTTTTTTTT of amny like us to cheer for u!!! :kiss:

October
Dec 5th, 2005, 03:18 PM
Thanx Kunal :) for that article coz i really wanted to know that who Motivated Hingis to return back and also her comments on howz she gonna manage the power.

SJW
Dec 5th, 2005, 04:02 PM
The only thing with this is that Pierce has always been a power hitter and doesnt get overpowered by anyone so even when she came back out of shape she was still able to contend becasue of her power. She can still hit with or over power many. I hope though that Hingis can still compete.
exactly. Mary was always one of the most lethal players on her day. Hingis can't come back playing exactly the same game as she left with. hopefully she's worked on her serve, that would be a brilliant start :)

Sammm
Dec 5th, 2005, 04:10 PM
I think it's fabulous news that martina's coming back. Women's tennis is just getting better and better. Now all we need is Monica to come back.
But I don't think Martina should start shooting her mouth off just yet. I can see "I'm not going to be overpowered" turning in to "There's no clear favourite for The Oz Open, I'm up there," because Martina's just such a confident person.

I really hope Martina does well, especially as she's always been so successful in australia.

But she also needs to sort her hair out. She looks balder than ever. Bless her.

charmedRic
Dec 5th, 2005, 04:34 PM
I'm not too surprised that Mary Pierce has inspired both Jelena Dokic and Martina Hingis to play again, mainly because she's had a lot to do with both of them as youngsters. Mary was Martina's first conqueror as a pro on the WTA Tour. Mary and Martina became friends over time on the tour and later teamed up to play doubles for a period of time. The respect between them was inevitable and evidenced by Martina's pay of respect in the interview. When Jelena first came on tour, it was Mary that took her under her wing and supported her. While Jelena was being pestered by the intrusive reporters at the US Open in 1999, it was Mary who escorted Jelena into the locker rooms and told the media to "leave her alone, you guys."

:) :bounce:

matthieu_tennis
Dec 5th, 2005, 04:42 PM
her backhand is so good to counter the power
But her cross court forehand will be always a weakness

alfajeffster
Dec 5th, 2005, 04:46 PM
She might even have a chance to win the French Open, now that Steffi Graf has retired...

VeeReeDavJCap81
Dec 5th, 2005, 04:47 PM
I don't think she'll be overpowered. Like Martina said, she'll be playing the same girls she was playing when she was a top player before (Jen, Lindsay, Venus, Serena, Mary, Justine, Kim, etc)

hablo
Dec 5th, 2005, 04:48 PM
can't wait to see her play again :bounce:
(allez Momo :devil: )

faboozadoo15
Dec 5th, 2005, 05:05 PM
The only thing with this is that Pierce has always been a power hitter and doesnt get overpowered by anyone so even when she came back out of shape she was still able to contend becasue of her power. She can still hit with or over power many. I hope though that Hingis can still compete.
that's not true. pierce gets overpowered in matches all the time. if she's not the one making the first strike, she can't hit as hard from on the run as the other girls can. that's how a consistent ball striker with accuracy can defeat her.

and pierce wasn't able to hang with A LOT of players when she was really out of shape. that's why people call her current form a 'comeback.' pierce needs to be in relatively good shape to have a chance at big events. if she wasn't then there's barely a hope.

but anyhow...

timafi
Dec 5th, 2005, 05:35 PM
can't wait to see her play again :bounce:
(allez Momo :devil: )


Hab
payback's a bitch huh? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

RAA
Dec 5th, 2005, 05:57 PM
http://espnstar.com/tennis/tennis_newsdetail_1656322.html

I won't be muscled out, says Hingis


ZURICH (AFP) - Former world number one Martina Hingis warned the imposing superwomen of the modern game that she will not be muscled out of contention when she returns to the tour in January.
The 25-year-old Hingis, who left the tour three years ago because of a crippling ankle injury, will stage her comeback in January with the Australian Open her first target.

"I have to work on my strength," said the player who won 76 career singles titles and was the world's youngest world number one.

She also won the Australian Open in 1997, 1998 and 1999 as well as the 1997 Wimbledon and US Open titles.

"The game has changed, it has become more physical but not necessarily at the technical level. I will be playing the same girls against whom I played when I was at my peak."

Hingis made a brief comeback this year when she lost a one-off appearance in Thailand, but she insists she still has the ability to make an impact at the highest level.

To that end, she will use Mary Pierce as her inspiration after the French veteran reached the finals of the French and US Opens this year despite passing her 30th birthday.

"The fact that Pierce has had such a good year is a good example," said Hingis.

"My objective is to play in Australia, I am going to try and play there. My goal is to stay healthy and stay in shape. That is probably the biggest task.

"I still love the game," said Hingis who added she is prepared for failure should her hopes be shattered.

"There are worse things out there in the world than losing a tennis match."


Published : December 05, 2005

76 careers singles titles? I think not..

RAA
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:03 PM
I find it funny that no where in the article does she actually say "I won't be muscled out".

at any rate, she *will* be muscled out from time to time. because players hit harder than her. that is not her strength. she needs to be mentally tough to withstand the losses she is going to sustain. and she will lose far more matches this year than she is used to.

not withstanding her injuries, when Hingis bowed out in 2002, more than her feet were hurting her. her ego was severely bruised. honestly I think if she can just shake off the losses and go from match to match and play her best, she'll do quite well. but at the end of her "career" she had that hounded look on her when she played the big hitters in the big matches.. like she knew what the inevitable outcome was going to be. she needs to get her swagger back and get a short term memory.

Ms Tracy Austin
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:09 PM
Just to comment on a few things I have read here. Martina Hingis won 40 singles titles, not 76. Pierce is a power player, I can see her inspiring power hitting Dokic. I can only see Pierce inspiring the counter punching Hingis in theory, because Hingis cannot win the way Mary can. What does Patty Schynder have that Hingis does not?... SPIN, and lots of it. To top it off Patty is left handed as well. That being said, it's not like Schnyder has been around on semifinal day at the slams, or winning a bunch of Tier one titles.

Denise4925
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:39 PM
i honestly think hingis can get to top 15 close to top 10 but the power game has gotten to strong and consitent lately. look at mary pierce...she is doing well b/c of her consitency with her power...hingis never had power but she says that is what she needs is strengh so that is what she is going to work more so on...i mean look at henin....she was the size of martina....so i don't doubt that martina can get stronger...that is just really the obstacle for her right now....other wise id say the "technical part" of the game and mind part she is still 1 of the 1z at the top of the list....
The one difference, in my opinion, between the women that have been mentioned including Patty is that they all have faster serves than Martina's when she left the tour. If she comes back serving 65 mph balls, I don't see her in the top 15 no matter how much more mentally and technically stronger she is than the other women on tour. As I recall, her serve would just sit up in the wheelhouse of a powerful returner. It doesn't matter how technical your game is, if you can't hold your serve.

gRaFiC
Dec 5th, 2005, 09:41 PM
76 careers singles titles? I think not..

I think so. Her tennis career included many doubles titles, too.

JulesVerne
Dec 5th, 2005, 10:24 PM
She might even have a chance to win the French Open, now that Steffi Graf has retired...

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Paneru
Dec 5th, 2005, 10:45 PM
I never thought of that, it's so true Patty is about the same size as hingis and look at what she done this year she beat Maria, and gave Venus a hard time so she might do well after all.

On clay Maria can always get beat like that
because she still has to develope more
of her game. She just has one gear
right now.

As for Venus, she was obviously tired when
she faced Patty. Once she got her bearings
she crushed Patty.


What I find so interesting is the failure from Hingis and many
around here that while many at the top may be players she's
faced in the past, they are not the same players.

IMO, they've evolved. While still power players they
have developed more and have more variety and
court awareness.

I simply don't think it'll be as easy as
some people want to believe it will be.

If Hingis is will to work like a Henin-Hardenne then
sure she can get back up there, otherwise I think not.

Mother_Marjorie
Dec 5th, 2005, 11:23 PM
The one difference, in my opinion, between the women that have been mentioned including Patty is that they all have faster serves than Martina's when she left the tour. If she comes back serving 65 mph balls, I don't see her in the top 15 no matter how much more mentally and technically stronger she is than the other women on tour. As I recall, her serve would just sit up in the wheelhouse of a powerful returner. It doesn't matter how technical your game is, if you can't hold your serve.

Denise, I agree with you 100%.

Then there's the "Dementieva Factor." Makes you wonder if Martina has taken a look at Dementieva's service game and thinks she can survive.

Denise4925
Dec 5th, 2005, 11:34 PM
Denise, I agree with you 100%.

Then there's the "Dementieva Factor." Makes you wonder if Martina has taken a look at Dementieva's service game and thinks she can survive.
Yeah, but Dementieva has powerful and accurate groundstrokes that cannot be compared to Hingis type of groundstrokes. I just think the game has evolved beyond Hingis' type of tennis. :shrug: Plus, does she have the speed to track down the type of groundstrokes these women have and can she absorb the power behind them if she gets to them?

iWill
Dec 5th, 2005, 11:50 PM
does she really? I remember her playing really really well against venus and serena back in the day and she still could not find an answer to their powergame.

that isnt to say that she always loses to the power hitters...

but i also fear that she might be bossed around by the likes of masha, serena, et al...

She should spend some more time in the gym, i reckon. But what do i know!
That's what I was thinking too because players like Serena Venus and Lindsay have trouble with each others power so unless Martina puts some mph on her serve and grounstrokes I dont see how she wont be overpowered on any surface :confused: :confused:

Almalyk
Dec 5th, 2005, 11:58 PM
All the best Marti!

JulesVerne
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:05 AM
Denise, I agree with you 100%.

Then there's the "Dementieva Factor." Makes you wonder if Martina has taken a look at Dementieva's service game and thinks she can survive.

The serve has the surprise factor; Elena does not know how fast, where and what spins are on it so what chance for the opponent. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Elena's major problem are the number of free points that she gives a match from the double faults. I would be interested to know how many she serves each year and how far ahead of the next person she is.

spartanfan
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:13 AM
Apparently I'm taking both Hingis' and Dokic's comments in a different light, cause I read them to mean that the they both don't see the competition at the top to be too terribly deep if the likes of a 30 year old Mary Pierce, with all her injuries and flaws, can make to GS finals in one year and that the tour hasn't left them too far behind in their absence. Not tryin to stir up any shyt, but Hingis is infamous for her back handed comments and slights.

Dawn Marie
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:22 AM
I never thought of that, it's so true Patty is about the same size as hingis and look at what she done this year she beat Maria, and gave Venus a hard time so she might do well after all.

Patty has a great serve and just because she has not achieved more than Hingis doesn't mean that she can't play better than Hingis. I don't think Patty is a good one to compare with right now. Then again Patty is a crafty player who doesn't rely on power alone.

I actually think Justine is the better player to compare Hingis with. Justine had a weakness as her serve and her conditioning not to mention a good net game. Hingis needs to revamp her serve and work on her court stamina and work on approach shots into net . I don't know Patty just has that lefty stuff going on. And her serve is actually a weapon not to mention that Patty has a new found confidence about her.

Hingis do what Justine did before JUJU won slams.

*hingis_forever*
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:25 AM
I like this confidence in Hingis! Hopefully the first part of her career was just a taste of what's in store! ;)

darrinbaker00
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:35 AM
The one difference, in my opinion, between the women that have been mentioned including Patty is that they all have faster serves than Martina's when she left the tour. If she comes back serving 65 mph balls, I don't see her in the top 15 no matter how much more mentally and technically stronger she is than the other women on tour. As I recall, her serve would just sit up in the wheelhouse of a powerful returner. It doesn't matter how technical your game is, if you can't hold your serve.
Two words, boo: Elena Dementieva. ;)

K-Dog
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:37 AM
Look at it this way. What does Patty Schnyder have that Hingis doesn't. Plus Hingis is taller, and has a better mind.. She may not have the power necessary to be #1 again, but if her feet hold up, there's no reason she can't be a top ten player again.

Patty has more topspin on her shots, and a MUCH BETTER lefty serve. A big reason to her ascent has been her more stable mental game, but her serve is a nightmare to return. Hingis still has a suck serve, but Hingis is WAY more consistent and uses the whole court a little bit better than Patty. To say that Patty dooesn't have anything that Martina discredits the serve of Patty Schnyder too much. While Patty's serve isn't the best on the tour, it is up there is she continues serving the way she had been.

Denise4925
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:37 AM
The serve has the surprise factor; Elena does not know how fast, where and what spins are on it so what chance for the opponent. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Elena's major problem are the number of free points that she gives a match from the double faults. I would be interested to know how many she serves each year and how far ahead of the next person she is.
I agree. Elena's serves are hit or miss. Kind of like mine. :rolleyes: When she's on, she can hit an ace, but she doesn't have placement and just tries to get it in as hard as she can. Whereas Martina gets her serves in, they are just very slow. At least they used to be.

Denise4925
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:40 AM
Two words, boo: Elena Dementieva. ;)
You think Elena has a technical game? I thought she had a power game with those groundstrokes of hers. Plus again, she doesn't have a slow first serve, she has a slow second serve. Also, if she gets her first serve in, it can be pretty fast, but that's if she gets them in. Also, Elena has speed and can get to a hard return and return it with some stink on it. I'm not sure, unless Hingis did some weight training, whether she can even absorb a hard and fast return.

darrinbaker00
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:46 AM
You think Elena has a technical game? I thought she had a power game with those groundstrokes of hers. Plus again, she doesn't have a slow first serve, she has a slow second serve. Also, if she gets her first serve in, it can be pretty fast, but that's if she gets them in. Also, Elena has speed and can get to a hard return and return it with some stink on it. I'm not sure, unless Hingis did some weight training, whether she can even absorb a hard and fast return.
I'm just saying that Dementieva proves that on today's WTA Tour, a solid serve is a luxury, not a necessity.

K-Dog
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:52 AM
I think that Martina is just spouting off a little too bit here. She hasn't even played a match yet as she's talking shit. Maybe the media took it out of proportion, but Hingis has to realize that while the game isn't as technically good as it once was, there are even more girls hitting hard now-a-days. Venus, Serena, Lindsay, Mary, Maria, Kim hits hard on the defense, Justine doesn't hit lightly anymore, all the Russians except Elena L. and Nastya (although Myskina doesn't hit that lightly) are big time power players, Ana I., Nicole V., and others i'm sure all have pretty developed to very developed power games. She simply can't hit the serves that soft because most players 4.5 and above can attack them. Hingis will have to add weight to her serve and her forehand to be successful today. Today's power players will pin her to the baseline and hit relentless winners on her as they all will be looking to continue their good h2h against Hingis, add to it, finish up the reversal that was going on when Martina retired, and all the young guns who want a Hingis scalped to their resume. While the game isn't a good as it as been, the power is always increasing as seen by the Wimbledon semifinal and final that Venus, Maria, and Lindsay all took part in. There is no way that Hingis could've kepted up with that type of play.

Ryan
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:57 AM
I think that Martina is just spouting off a little too bit here. She hasn't even played a match yet as she's talking shit. Maybe the media took it out of proportion, but Hingis has to realize that while the game isn't as technically good as it once was, there are even more girls hitting hard now-a-days. Venus, Serena, Lindsay, Mary, Maria, Kim hits hard on the defense, Justine doesn't hit lightly anymore, all the Russians except Elena L. and Nastya (although Myskina doesn't hit that lightly) are big time power players, Ana I., Nicole V., and others i'm sure all have pretty developed to very developed power games. She simply can't hit the serves that soft because most players 4.5 and above can attack them. Hingis will have to add weight to her serve and her forehand to be successful today. Today's power players will pin her to the baseline and hit relentless winners on her as they all will be looking to continue their good h2h against Hingis, add to it, finish up the reversal that was going on when Martina retired, and all the young guns who want a Hingis scalped to their resume. While the game isn't a good as it as been, the power is always increasing as seen by the Wimbledon semifinal and final that Venus, Maria, and Lindsay all took part in. There is no way that Hingis could've kepted up with that type of play.


:yawn: I agree with some of the last half of your post. Hingis herself never said she wouldn't be out-muscled in terms of power. Chances are she meant that she said she wouldn't be intimidated by the power and would keep up with it. Frankly, what do you want her to say coming out of retirement? That she's weak and can't cope? Everyone on the tour spouts BS, and it's not even like Hingis is making any predictions. :shrug:

K-Dog
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:02 AM
:yawn: I agree with some of the last half of your post. Hingis herself never said she wouldn't be out-muscled in terms of power. Chances are she meant that she said she wouldn't be intimidated by the power and would keep up with it. Frankly, what do you want her to say coming out of retirement? That she's weak and can't cope? Everyone on the tour spouts BS, and it's not even like Hingis is making any predictions. :shrug:

True, but I mean she could have been a little less blunt about it. All players spout shit as you said, but it sounded a little like Martina was trying to convince herself that she wasn't going to be outmuscled. I think that Martina will be okay in her comeback, but unless she has hasn't added anymore weapons and improved that serve, times will be tough against the top players.

Knizzle
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:07 AM
Yeah, but Dementieva has powerful and accurate groundstrokes that cannot be compared to Hingis type of groundstrokes. I just think the game has evolved beyond Hingis' type of tennis. :shrug: Plus, does she have the speed to track down the type of groundstrokes these women have and can she absorb the power behind them if she gets to them?

honestly she can in a match, but her trouble will be staying healthy. Her only problem is conquering the WS and Davenport who were the players who had her number on her way out of the game in 2002. I think she can definitely deal with the weaker members of the top ten (Dementieva, Schnyder, Petrova etc.,) another problem for her is that there is more depth now than 6 years ago. She has to be very wary of the Kuznetsovas' Ivanovics', Schiavones' and so on and so forth. The Grand Slams now get really tough from the third round on. We'll see how her body and mind hold up under the pressure.

LUIS9
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:12 AM
I hope she won't be overpowered, but I am fearing she will :sad:

Initially and for a while she will. You dont go from 3 years without full activity at the pro level to start dominating women who are seasoned and have been playing at the highest level for the past few years. Hopefully she wont get discouraged and as long as she stays healthy, I think she'l suck it up and try to regain some form from that which took her to the highest level of professional tennis.:)

Ryan
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:13 AM
True, but I mean she could have been a little less blunt about it. All players spout shit as you said, but it sounded a little like Martina was trying to convince herself that she wasn't going to be outmuscled. I think that Martina will be okay in her comeback, but unless she has hasn't added anymore weapons and improved that serve, times will be tough against the top players.


I agree. It does sound like she's trying to do that, but maybe she is. She HAS been out for a long time, and she's probably nervous. From seeing her play numerous WTT matches, her serve has improved (first and second). Her first has more power IMO, and her second has WAY more spin. (slice and kick) Groundstrokes aren't necessarily more powerful, and will get more consistant I imagine. Her movement was good from what I saw, but she was never really pushed so it's not too accurate.

I don't like speculating about how Hingis will do because I want her to come back and kick ass everywhere. Unrealistic, I know. I hope that she comes back, stays healthy, can compete with the top players and is happy with where she is.

fammmmedspin
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:19 AM
i honestly think hingis can get to top 15 close to top 10 but the power game has gotten to strong and consitent lately. look at mary pierce...she is doing well b/c of her consitency with her power...hingis never had power but she says that is what she needs is strengh so that is what she is going to work more so on...i mean look at henin....she was the size of martina....so i don't doubt that martina can get stronger...that is just really the obstacle for her right now....other wise id say the "technical part" of the game and mind part she is still 1 of the 1z at the top of the list....

I just don't see it that way. Mary isn't playing better than she did in 2000 (or 94/5) and she made two GS finals in 05. The Williams sisters are very variable and the liklihood of running into them playing even at the level Martina could beat them at was low in 2005 - though they might storm back in 2006. Jen is absent and Hingis would have 2 more GS titles but for her. Lindsay and Momo have mental question marks they didn't have in 1999 or 2000 and Justine has a virus. Recent GS have all seen several top players collapse leaving holes in the draw. Martina's problem is that she will have to get through even more of these players than she did in 2000 and there are a lot of good younger players in the way to anywhere too. Thats not only a problem for her though - its a problem now for Venus and Serena and most of the top 10. Kim may be a special case as she plays Martina tennis, consistently. with more power and speed. but Kim has off days too. Martina's specific problem is she will have to fight her way back before she has gained the confidence to do it. Get her to a final though and I just don't think the opposition is any tougher than it was when she won the last of her GS - its actually probably weaker unless she hits Serena, kim or Justine on a really good day or Venus on grass on a good day.

Ryan
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:25 AM
I think the quality of opposition is not necessarily more tough, but everyone, EVERYONE hits hard. In 1997 you had Coetzer at #3, Roost, Novotna, Tauziat etc. Very talented, but not everyone hit bazookas. Now even if people aren't as talented OR playing as well, they can always hit hard. Hingis in her prime (even in 01-02) munched on uncontrolled/inconsistant power. Now, Hingis is not at her best (late-2002 form, abit better IMO). She will need to build up confidence to play better and to beat those mid-level top 20 players.

K-Dog
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:26 AM
I agree. It does sound like she's trying to do that, but maybe she is. She HAS been out for a long time, and she's probably nervous. From seeing her play numerous WTT matches, her serve has improved (first and second). Her first has more power IMO, and her second has WAY more spin. (slice and kick) Groundstrokes aren't necessarily more powerful, and will get more consistant I imagine. Her movement was good from what I saw, but she was never really pushed so it's not too accurate.

I don't like speculating about how Hingis will do because I want her to come back and kick ass everywhere. Unrealistic, I know. I hope that she comes back, stays healthy, can compete with the top players and is happy with where she is.

The serve from what I saw isn't up on the mph or kph IMO from 2001 or 2002. The second serve is still attackable and the first won't get her ahead in pts. To me, Martina needs to forget trying to prove stuff to the power girls and quit trying to outhit them herself. For Hingis to be effective, SHE MUST play with variety a lot more and use everyone of her shots that she posesses. The power is and will NEVER be her game. She can still move Lindsay, Maria, and Mary around in rallies, but they all seem to hit SO hard on every shot and won't allow Hingis to play her game. Venus as off right now will be tough to beat if she's very confident and if she continues to move forward a lot. If Serena can get back in shape, she'll be a force too. We'll see what happens. That's what makes athletics fun, the unpredictability of it all!!

Ryan
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:34 AM
The serve from what I saw isn't up on the mph or kph IMO from 2001 or 2002. The second serve is still attackable and the first won't get her ahead in pts. To me, Martina needs to forget trying to prove stuff to the power girls and quit trying to outhit them herself. For Hingis to be effective, SHE MUST play with variety a lot more and use everyone of her shots that she posesses. The power is and will NEVER be her game. She can still move Lindsay, Maria, and Mary around in rallies, but they all seem to hit SO hard on every shot and won't allow Hingis to play her game. Venus as off right now will be tough to beat if she's very confident and if she continues to move forward a lot. If Serena can get back in shape, she'll be a force too. We'll see what happens. That's what makes athletics fun, the unpredictability of it all!!


On her average serve, no the pace is not increased. I guess I just saw her crank it more often in WTT than on her last year on tour. Her serve is not a consistant weapon, but I honestly think the second serve has improved. I completely agree that she shouldn't try to outhit anyone, but needs to play with variety. Sometimes I think Hingis got intimidated by playing slices, drop shots etc. against huge power. However, she is SO good at redirecting power, and I didn't see that much in WTT (she didn't play many people hitting hard). If Hingis can return the serve, and move them around with deep shots, COME TO NET, and play up the finesse then she can make it into the top 20 by the end of the year. I think.

Denise4925
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:38 AM
I'm just saying that Dementieva proves that on today's WTA Tour, a solid serve is a luxury, not a necessity.
True, but the point I was trying to make was that there are other factors involved. If Elena had just a technical game without the power, coupled with a bad serve, she wouldn't be where she is in the rankings, IMO.

K-Dog
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:43 AM
On her average serve, no the pace is not increased. I guess I just saw her crank it more often in WTT than on her last year on tour. Her serve is not a consistant weapon, but I honestly think the second serve has improved. I completely agree that she shouldn't try to outhit anyone, but needs to play with variety. Sometimes I think Hingis got intimidated by playing slices, drop shots etc. against huge power. However, she is SO good at redirecting power, and I didn't see that much in WTT (she didn't play many people hitting hard). If Hingis can return the serve, and move them around with deep shots, COME TO NET, and play up the finesse then she can make it into the top 20 by the end of the year. I think.

I agree that top 20 is a fair mark. I just have doubts as it took and is still somewhat taking Venus almost a year and a half to get back to play well again. Venus was only out for 6 months and started off playing well in Hong Kong before Australia happened. We'll see if Hingis will take long to adjust to the tour again. I hope she has some entertaining matches with the top players, and she can beat anyone besides Vee, Ree, Nikki, and Lindsay for my liking.

gorecki
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:59 AM
The serve from what I saw isn't up on the mph or kph IMO from 2001 or 2002. The second serve is still attackable and the first won't get her ahead in pts. To me, Martina needs to forget trying to prove stuff to the power girls and quit trying to outhit them herself. For Hingis to be effective, SHE MUST play with variety a lot more and use everyone of her shots that she posesses. The power is and will NEVER be her game. She can still move Lindsay, Maria, and Mary around in rallies, but they all seem to hit SO hard on every shot and won't allow Hingis to play her game. Venus as off right now will be tough to beat if she's very confident and if she continues to move forward a lot. If Serena can get back in shape, she'll be a force too. We'll see what happens. That's what makes athletics fun, the unpredictability of it all!!
agree with most of your post.

it's her variety of shots and spins, smart tactical moves and shot placement that won her matches. i definitely do not want to see her develop totally to the power game and try to outslug the power hitters! (which she tried to do for a large part of '01)

another key point would be her footspeed. she will definitely need that especially with all this hardhitting from most of the current gals. and her footspeed was clearly diminished in '01 and '02 when the foot and ankles kept recurring....

her serve, she has given us rare glimpses that she is able to crank up her serve with great placement on second serves, but not when her confidence was shot for most of the latter couple of years b4 she left the tour...

hope she will be successful on her return and that her desire and passion for the game will keep her going if she suffer some setbacks in the early stages of her comeback...:hug:

Greenout
Dec 6th, 2005, 02:36 AM
It's interesting assume that all Hingis needs to do is bulk, up and do gym work like Justine to win grand slams again.

Actually... she may be smaller than Hingis, but this girl was a tomboy- jock playing football in a boys team in her primary school days. Hingis has always been coached, by her mother, and had a none-tomboy jock physical approach to tennis. It's always been about brain, and skill.

Justine IMHO is more of a natural sports type, and Hingis isn't. The running- Justine has been quicker off the mark prior to doing the Pat E stuff at Saddlebrook. Have you seen a clip of Justine -vs- Lindsay Roland Garros 1999? She was running around like a jack rabbit, and big LD was just ball watching.


I can see Martina doing well if she fixed that serve, and did alot of sneak attack volleys. But, it's the serve, everybody is going to attack it. Everybody knows to well, that the first serve is mid pace, and placement- and the second serve was as poor as Myskina's.

Kunal
Dec 6th, 2005, 02:59 AM
love or hate her.......thats hingis.

will she walk the talk or is it walk the walk??? You know what I mean...

What this will do is spice things up.....thats pretty obvious i guess.

She is a bit of an attention w***e. i dont dislike her though.

Rub
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:06 AM
hope she has developed a good serve!

bobcat
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:29 AM
Just from what I saw of WTT I thought Hingis' serve was still bad and I think she'll have a harder time than what a lot of people here seem to think. I mean, before she retired she was getting overpowered by the likes of Hantuchova, who isn't even a top tier power player. She'll need to improve a lot to compete with the top players.

Denise4925
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:33 AM
Just from what I saw of WTT I thought Hingis' serve was still bad and I think she'll have a harder time than what a lot of people here seem to think. I mean, before she retired she was getting overpowered by the likes of Hantuchova, who isn't even a top tier power player. She'll need to improve a lot to compete with the top players.
I agree.

bobcat
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:35 AM
Look at it this way. What does Patty Schnyder have that Hingis doesn't. Plus Hingis is taller, and has a better mind.. She may not have the power necessary to be #1 again, but if her feet hold up, there's no reason she can't be a top ten player again.

Patty has plenty of stuff that hingis doesn't have, including a good lefty serve and severe spins on her groundstrokes. Patty has a better service motion and regularly hits up to about 110 mph. In order for Hingis to improve her serve she will have to complete redo the entire thing and start from scratch the way JHH did with her serve.

crazyroberto6767
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:38 AM
Obviously she's not going to be a grand slam threat if she plays like she did post 2001 AO (2002 AO not included). Let's hope she brings in her pre-2001 form to play. Her first serve is fine, and contrary to popular belief she can crank her first serve at speeds of above 100 mph. It's not a huge weapon, but if she can keep a high percentage of first serves in, she'll be doing alright. Of course, the second serve is going to be the biggest question mark. I think if she would just bend her knees more and be able to accept a few more double faults, it could become a solid shot. She's never going to have a booming serve, but an effective first serve and a decent second serve should be okay. Her groundies don't need much work at all. She could flatten out her forehand a few more times, but the pure depth of her shots is overwhelming. She will need to go into net more, that was one of the things that frustrated me about her when she was on her way out. She was content at staying back with the bigger girls when she could be more effective at net. She's not overly huge with gigantic reach, but her volleys are *so* good that if she can get a decent first volley, the point will be hers. Her backhand has always been fine, and will probably remain one of the best in the game. About her fitness, I think if she can bring the fitness she had at the AO 2001, she will be in pretty good shape. Maybe if she kicked it up a notch from there even, it would be nice, but she was in pretty amazing shape there. Her footspeed used to be one of the best on tour, and besides the Williams Sisters and a few other exceptions she got to the most balls of anyone. *Edit: This was also largely due to her amazing anticipation which will help her in today's fast paced game* Like everything else in her game, she needs to return to at least that speed. She's going to have to run farther and faster, play harder, and compete at her very best. I can see her doing it, especially if she's driven. Also, she has the luxury now of bringing a different type of game. She could frustrate the hell out of some of these girls that aren't used to her vast array of slices and spins. Plus her drop shots are absolutely sick :devil:. I just hope she can return to her best form, but that may be asking too much.

Edit: One of the things some people are underestimating is her return of serve. She was easily one of the best in the game, perhaps the best behind Monica before she left. She will break a lot and that will take some pressure off her serve.

Billabong
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:41 AM
Obviously she's not going to be a grand slam threat if she plays like she did post 2001 AO (2002 AO not included). Let's hope she brings in her pre-2001 form to play. Her first serve is fine, and contrary to popular belief she can crank her first serve at speeds of above 100 mph. It's not a huge weapon, but if she can keep a high percentage of first serves in, she'll be doing alright. Of course, the second serve is going to be the biggest question mark. I think if she would just bend her knees more and be able to accept a few more double faults, it could become a solid shot. She's never going to have a booming serve, but an effective first serve and a decent second serve should be okay. Her groundies don't need much work at all. She could flatten out her forehand a few more times, but the pure depth of her shots is overwhelming. She will need to go into net more, that was one of the things that frustrated me about her when she was on her way out. She was content at staying back with the bigger girls when she could be more effective at net. She's not overly huge with gigantic reach, but her volleys are *so* good that if she can get a decent first volley, the point will be hers. Her backhand has always been fine, and will probably remain one of the best in the game. About her fitness, I think if she can bring the fitness she had at the AO 2001, she will be in pretty good shape. Maybe if she kicked it up a notch from there even, it would be nice, but she was in pretty amazing shape there. Her footspeed used to be one of the best on tour, and besides the Williams Sisters and a few other exceptions she got to the most balls of anyone. Like everything else in her game, she needs to return to at least that speed. She's going to have to run farther and faster, play harder, and compete at her very best. I can see her doing it, especially if she's driven. Also, she has the luxury now of bringing a different type of game. She could frustrate the hell out of some of these girls that aren't used to her vast array of slices and spins. Plus her drop shots are absolutely sick :devil:. I just hope she can return to her best form, but that may be asking too much.

Edit: One of the things some people are underestimating is her return of serve. She was easily one of the best in the game, perhaps the best behind Monica before she left. She will break a lot and that will take some pressure off her serve.

I agree:)! I also think Hingis was at her best in AO 2001, I recently watched her QF match against Serena and WHOA:eek: She really played awesome:worship:!

crazyroberto6767
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:43 AM
I agree:)! I also think Hingis was at her best in AO 2001, I recently watched her QF match against Serena and WHOA:eek: She really played awesome:worship:!
That really was a great match :). I have it on tape as well, and both were at their very best (of the time) at various points of the match. Plus, (even though Serena didn't play too hot) Hingis was fricken insane in that first set. If I recall correctly, she only had 1 unforced error until the last game of that set. Absolutely sick. Plus the overhead to finish it off was pretty sweet considering what she went through just a few months before.

Havok
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:47 AM
that's not true. pierce gets overpowered in matches all the time. if she's not the one making the first strike, she can't hit as hard from on the run as the other girls can. that's how a consistent ball striker with accuracy can defeat her.

and pierce wasn't able to hang with A LOT of players when she was really out of shape. that's why people call her current form a 'comeback.' pierce needs to be in relatively good shape to have a chance at big events. if she wasn't then there's barely a hope.

but anyhow...
I wouldn't quite put it that way. Pierce gets out-manuevered and her opponents put her out of a comfortable position a lot in matches, that's for sure but Mary doesn't literally get overpowered a whole lot.

dinhd82
Dec 6th, 2005, 04:18 AM
I agree:)! I also think Hingis was at her best in AO 2001, I recently watched her QF match against Serena and WHOA:eek: She really played awesome:worship:!

I agree as well, was it me or was Hingis like in the zone throughout the match, like she was not going to give up no matter what? I don't know what it was, the humidity that made her hair curl up, her tan, or her great shape, I've never seen her so daym aggressive going at it shot for shot with Serena. I wish she plays like that all the time, so exciting to watch!

Volcana
Dec 6th, 2005, 04:53 AM
That really was a great match :). I have it on tape as well, and both were at their very best (of the time) at various points of the match.Of course, 12 months later, our assessment of Serena's
'very best', changed somewhat.

Hingie
Dec 6th, 2005, 11:14 AM
Of course, 12 months later, our assessment of Serena's
'very best', changed somewhat.

Has it?

Ryan
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:36 PM
Has it?


Serena in '02 played "her best". At Oz '01, she showed her best (before '02)against Hingis.

liuxuan
Dec 6th, 2005, 01:37 PM
Ok, I have a question about the power hitters.

A lot of them seem similar in their style of play, like Linzi, Mary, Maria and Monica.

They all hit very hard off both sides, and mostly win matches by powering their opponenet off the court. That is their strength. Unlike the other power hitters though, Venus, Serena and Jennifer, they cannot boast great athletic ability, being able to sprint around the court for ages to chase balls down.

Why then is it that, both Pierce and Monica had an awful lots oftheir sucess on slower surfaces, like Clay, while Linzi and Maria find clay really difficult to play on? Players like Aranxta found clay the easiest as they were really fit and fast and could chase balls down. I know that Piere and Monica enjoy clay as the ball is slower so it gives them more time to set up for the ball and it bounces:bounce: at shoulder level so its better for them to smack it.

I think im kind of answering this myself, as I know Linzi and Maria hit the ball really flat and when its on grass it skids through giving their opponent no chance.

Well, basically, what im asking is, what is the difference between the kind of power shots linzi and maria hit, to the kind of power shots mary and monica hit that means that, while heir games are quite similar, they shine on very different surfaces?

Grass is supposed to be the type of surface where you need to be really athletic, as its so fast, while youd think the same about clay, but it seems to give slow girls like mary and monica advantage over a lot of players.

If anyone can fathon out what im trying to ask, your a better man than me, but have a go anyway.:yippee:

Cybelle Darkholme
Dec 6th, 2005, 02:22 PM
"There are worse things out there in the world than losing a tennis match."


Wise words.

You cannot take three years off from professional tennis and think you can jump back into the top ten at the snap of your fingers.

Please.

I am glad she is back because she wasn't beaten thoroughly enough before she left.

I can't wait for the top ten, hell even the top twenty to get ahold of her on court.

Hell even Maria will thrash her and Justine will destroy her. Well, justine seems to be chronically ill for half the season so who knows with her.

Oh and I thought her "injury" was career ending? Whatever. The only thing that ended her career was her bruised ego. So now the question is: who will win another grandslam first? hingis or davenport?

RAA
Dec 6th, 2005, 02:56 PM
I think so. Her tennis career included many doubles titles, too.
right, which is why when they say 76 career singles titles, its WRONG.

moby
Dec 6th, 2005, 02:58 PM
I am glad she is back because she wasn't beaten thoroughly enough before she left.

I can't wait for the top ten, hell even the top twenty to get ahold of her on court.

Hell even Maria will thrash her and Justine will destroy her. Well, justine seems to be chronically ill for half the season so who knows with her.

Oh and I thought her "injury" was career ending? Whatever.Guess you suddenly had the urge to spew your vile venom somewhere. :yawn:

You seem rather disappointed that Martina's injury wasn't career ending after all, or that Justine isn't "chronically ill" for the whole season. :awww:

watrat
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:40 PM
As much as i admire Martina, I don't want her on the court unless her injury isn't 100% fixed. I just don't want to hear form her laying the blame for the eventual losses on her ankle injury. Unacceptable. :o

Cybelle Darkholme
Dec 6th, 2005, 07:06 PM
Guess you suddenly had the urge to spew your vile venom somewhere. :yawn:

You seem rather disappointed that Martina's injury wasn't career ending after all, or that Justine isn't "chronically ill" for the whole season. :awww:

So the fact that I like to her lose matches is venomous? ooookay, maybe you need to get out more because there are truly venomous things in is this world and cheering on a sports player you don't like to lose is hardly one of them.

I don't hate her. I just don't like her. If you don't like my comments you can always put me on ignore. Feel free.

Also I wish justine was not chronically ill as she seems to be lately as anyone could infer from my post.

Ms Tracy Austin
Dec 6th, 2005, 07:22 PM
Hingis won 40 singles titles and 36 doubles titles, it was a typo by the writer. As for what is the difference on clay for Pierce and Seles vs Davenport and Sharapova, in my opinion Pierce and Seles know how to slide into their shots on clay. Davenport and Sharapova don't... and that makes all the difference in the world.

Zauber
Dec 6th, 2005, 07:27 PM
two totally different players. Totally in every aspect.

Ryan
Dec 7th, 2005, 03:11 PM
So the fact that I like to her lose matches is venomous? ooookay, maybe you need to get out more because there are truly venomous things in is this world and cheering on a sports player you don't like to lose is hardly one of them.

I don't hate her. I just don't like her. If you don't like my comments you can always put me on ignore. Feel free.

Also I wish justine was not chronically ill as she seems to be lately as anyone could infer from my post.


:yawn: I would say you're probably having "that time of month", but dogs don't have that, do they?

Ryan
Dec 7th, 2005, 03:12 PM
Hingis won 36 singles titles and 40 doubles titles, it was a typo by the writer. As for what is the difference on clay for Pierce and Seles vs Davenport and Sharapova, in my opinion Pierce and Seles know how to slide into their shots on clay. Davenport and Sharapova don't... and that makes all the difference in the world.



Just reverse the singles and doubles, 40 singles and 36 doubles. ;)

Ms Tracy Austin
Dec 7th, 2005, 04:02 PM
Just reverse the singles and doubles, 40 singles and 36 doubles. ;)

I was having a dyslexic moment... and did I mention I am blonde. :tape: :lol:

Volcana
Dec 7th, 2005, 06:13 PM
Has it?Sure. At her best, 2002-2003, Serena was champ of all four slams at the same time. She was lighter, faster, fiter, and employed a much more diverse game.Oh and I thought her "injury" was career ending? Whatever. The only thing that ended her career was her bruised ego.Before I jump to any conclusions, should this paragraph be taken as an example of your intellect and reasoning ability?

Swinging back to the thread title, I actually wonder how Hingis plans to avoid being 'muscled out'. Her problem is that the best way to beat her is simple. Hit it hard into the corner, hit it hard into the other corner. Don't miss. Hingis needs time to set up points. If you make the amount of time the ball is in the air as short as possible, she doesn't get that time. Sure, most players aren't usually accurate to play that way consistently. But they can ALL try. No slice, no moonballs, just hit it hard, hit it flat, corner to corner. Don't EVER hit the ball to the middle of the court. She'll have to be as fast as she's ever been to catch up with the ball in time to do something with it.

Ms Tracy Austin
Dec 7th, 2005, 06:51 PM
No slice, no moonballs, just hit it hard, hit it flat, corner to corner.

LOL, you just brought back memories of Mary Carillo's old coin phrase,

"BIG BABE TENNIS: Hit it Hard, Hit it Flat... Walk away!" :lol:

crazyroberto6767
Dec 7th, 2005, 07:33 PM
Of course Serena was better in 2002 than in early 2001, but I noted that. If Serena gets back to 2002 form who really could stop her? No one would, including Hingis. But I digress.

I think Hingis's main obstacle will be getting the first strike in the rally or to make the opponent's first strike not "fatal". If Hingis can keep the big babes on the run, I feel she has a real shot. Only a select few are as powerful (or more in some special cases) on the run compared to standing still. With her anticipation and her footwork/footspeed hopefully coming back, I think she'll get to quite a few balls. Her problem will be the Williams's of the world who can hit penetrating shots on the run. But how many players are really like either Williams? IMO, her gameplan should be to get the first strike, or as soon as she can get the opponent moving. Then get into net at the first possible opportunity. Employing different spins and slices will throw off many players as well. Of course, this is MUCH easier said than done, I just hope she doesn't go crazy on the court and try to overpower players who are clearly her physical superior.

gorecki
Dec 8th, 2005, 01:23 AM
Of course Serena was better in 2002 than in early 2001, but I noted that. If Serena gets back to 2002 form who really could stop her? No one would, including Hingis. But I digress.

I think Hingis's main obstacle will be getting the first strike in the rally or to make the opponent's first strike not "fatal". If Hingis can keep the big babes on the run, I feel she has a real shot. Only a select few are as powerful (or more in some special cases) on the run compared to standing still. With her anticipation and her footwork/footspeed hopefully coming back, I think she'll get to quite a few balls. Her problem will be the Williams's of the world who can hit penetrating shots on the run. But how many players are really like either Williams? IMO, her gameplan should be to get the first strike, or as soon as she can get the opponent moving. Then get into net at the first possible opportunity. Employing different spins and slices will throw off many players as well. Of course, this is MUCH easier said than done, I just hope she doesn't go crazy on the court and try to overpower players who are clearly her physical superior.
:) :yeah:

Volcana
Dec 8th, 2005, 02:27 AM
IMO, her gameplan should be to get the first strike, or as soon as she can get the opponent moving. Then get into net at the first possible opportunity.It'd be great if she could, but that wasn't something she seemed to be able to do post-2000. She didn't have a real big serve OR return. She was very accurate, but no matter how accurate you are, if the ball is only going 80 mph, the opposition has an extra second to reach it.

iWill
Dec 8th, 2005, 03:35 AM
Ok, I have a question about the power hitters.

A lot of them seem similar in their style of play, like Linzi, Mary, Maria and Monica.

They all hit very hard off both sides, and mostly win matches by powering their opponenet off the court. That is their strength. Unlike the other power hitters though, Venus, Serena and Jennifer, they cannot boast great athletic ability, being able to sprint around the court for ages to chase balls down.

Why then is it that, both Pierce and Monica had an awful lots oftheir sucess on slower surfaces, like Clay, while Linzi and Maria find clay really difficult to play on? Players like Aranxta found clay the easiest as they were really fit and fast and could chase balls down. I know that Piere and Monica enjoy clay as the ball is slower so it gives them more time to set up for the ball and it bounces:bounce: at shoulder level so its better for them to smack it.

I think im kind of answering this myself, as I know Linzi and Maria hit the ball really flat and when its on grass it skids through giving their opponent no chance.

Well, basically, what im asking is, what is the difference between the kind of power shots linzi and maria hit, to the kind of power shots mary and monica hit that means that, while heir games are quite similar, they shine on very different surfaces?

Grass is supposed to be the type of surface where you need to be really athletic, as its so fast, while youd think the same about clay, but it seems to give slow girls like mary and monica advantage over a lot of players.

If anyone can fathon out what im trying to ask, your a better man than me, but have a go anyway.:yippee:

Not sure if my answer is right but I'll give it a shot...... I think playing on clay isnt just about being able to chase down a ball because the surface is slower you still have to have good footwork to be able to chase down a ball and go on the attack instead of defense. Grass is different because you are going to be on the run no matter what but the surface helps you when you chase down balls becasue the ball doenst slow down for the opponent to hit another big shot like on clay. I think those players struggle on clay because your footwork on clay is WAYYY different then on grass you cant just chase after a ball you have to be able to run and slide into a shot and Lindsay can barely chase a ball downon hardcourts and in some cases Maria is the same. I think the reason Lindsay and Maria are good on grass though is because of their groundstrokes, on grass you can easily be on the defenisve end and get one big shot back and be on the offensive clay isnt like that because you have to think through points and set your opponent up which takes longer on grass you can hit one big shot down the line and follow up with a winner alot of times, or hit a wide serve and finish a point at the net. You kind of answered your own question too because Mary and Monica like to have that time to set up and hit a big shot and clay DEFINETLEY gives you time. Maria and Lindsay are products of taking a big shot and finishing it off on the next and thats perfect for the grass surface but on clay its more like hit one big shot and back it up with possibly 2-3 more.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Dec 8th, 2005, 10:33 PM
If she is right.. hings are going ot get interesting...

Black Mamba.
Dec 8th, 2005, 10:43 PM
I think in today's game if you don't have power you better have variety and speed.

Kunal
Dec 14th, 2005, 09:50 AM
i read somewhere else.....why so much fuss bout hingis .....she hasnt even started playing for real.....

I guess ppl need a buzz...not much happening in the tennis circuit these days...

But for the sake of tennis and hingis i really hope that she can attain the form that she is capable of.

If this happens or not only time will tell

Darop.
Dec 14th, 2005, 10:13 AM
I don't know... how much difference does it make that Patty is a lefty? :shrug:

And that she has an awesome lefty serve, which Martina can only dream of.

I hope Martina can come back and somehow fend off the harder hitters, but I have a feeling she won't be able to. :sad:

Kunal
Dec 14th, 2005, 01:43 PM
hingis's game can evolve just like the way tennis has evolved...

Lets not put her down before she even begins

goldenlox
Dec 14th, 2005, 02:32 PM
In USA Today -

Seles is encouraged by Martina Hingis' expected return to tennis in January after a three-year retirement because of injuries.

"It's fantastically exciting," Seles said. "She's so young still and she was so good. I'm a big fan of hers. She was a great No. 1 player. She was a chess player out there."

Seles said she'll be satisfied with her career if it ends without a return to the court. She's won 53 singles titles and more than $14 million in prize money.

"If I don't play ever again professionally, I'm happy," Seles said. "If I get to play, it's all a bonus at this stage."

matthieu_tennis
Dec 14th, 2005, 02:36 PM
when she was playing the william often she was hitting the ball in the middle of hte court very deep. so , That let no angle for the williams :)