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47eggs
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:52 AM
Some countries boast loads of great players and others have barely any.

Which country produces the best players?

iine:
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:55 AM
Russia for sure!There are so many russian players inside the top 50. it's unbelievable.

SilK
Dec 4th, 2005, 12:00 PM
I voted France... only because the French system works REALLY well.

Munchen
Dec 4th, 2005, 12:08 PM
Russia :)

Mafia_Sharapova
Dec 4th, 2005, 12:15 PM
Russia for sure!

Mafia_Sharapova
Dec 4th, 2005, 12:16 PM
Russia for sure! :cool:

thrust
Dec 4th, 2005, 12:49 PM
The Russians really did not do that well this year. Kim won 9 tournaments, 1 being a slam. Justine playing about half a season won 4, one being a slam. Serena and Venus won a slam each. Justine also won 2 tier one tournaments and Kim won at least 3. Davenport got to two slam finals, each time losing to another American. Mary Pierce, Ameican-French also reached two slam finals and also won a tier one tournament. Mauresmo, French, won the YEC over Pierce. Did any Russian even win a tier one tournament this year? The Russians, it seems to me, are overrated.

JulesVerne
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:22 PM
There are a large number of top Russian players. Maria Sharapova potentially could soon become the dominant force in ladies tennis.

Spunky83
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:26 PM
Russia population: 144 Mio.
Belgium ": 10 Mio.

Based on that and their two ex-number ones and multiple GS winners, I would say Belgium

iPatty
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:29 PM
Switzerland :hearts::

Martina :hearts:
Patty :hearts:
Roger :lol:

~lollipop_girl~
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:32 PM
Purely because of the amount in the top 50, I'll say Russia.

BUBI
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:34 PM
Russia, Italy, Czech :hearts:;)

BUBI
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:36 PM
Russia population: 144 Mio.
Belgium ": 10 Mio.

Based on that and their two ex-number ones and multiple GS winners, I would say Belgium
But how many players these countries have in top100?
I would say Belgium is just very lucky to have two top players...

creep
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:51 PM
Swings and roundabouts.

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:57 PM
best system for producing players is in France by far

we're producing players without a system of any kind at all.

tennisrox
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:59 PM
What is the UK doing on this poll? :o

Alvarillo
Dec 4th, 2005, 02:00 PM
it's obvious .... Russia

tennisrox
Dec 4th, 2005, 02:01 PM
we're producing players without a system of any kind at all.

How the hell are you doing it?Please please please spill!!!We need help here. :o

denine
Dec 4th, 2005, 02:23 PM
russia.

timafi
Dec 4th, 2005, 03:17 PM
France :yeah: :yeah:

Penglover
Dec 4th, 2005, 05:04 PM
I will say China.

Scotso
Dec 4th, 2005, 05:06 PM
France

47eggs
Dec 4th, 2005, 05:19 PM
I will say China.

Oh i wonder why china? :rolleyes:

You are obseesed with Peng!
You are giving her a bad reputation on this site. Stop talking about her and making threads about her, it does everyones head in.

Geisha
Dec 4th, 2005, 05:21 PM
Chris Evert
Maria Sharapova
Lindsay Davenport
Venus Williams
Serena Williams
Jennifer Capriati
Monica Seles

...all these greats trained in the US to become the players they're now.

Martyś
Dec 4th, 2005, 05:21 PM
USA for me ;)

47eggs
Dec 4th, 2005, 05:22 PM
I will say China.

Penglover! Read the thread: "Which player do you get sick of reading threads about"

Read what people have put about you, it isn't just me.

coalwi
Dec 4th, 2005, 05:37 PM
France !
well that's what i'd like lol

Sam's Slave
Dec 4th, 2005, 05:41 PM
i voted UK :rocker2:

matthieu_tennis
Dec 4th, 2005, 05:49 PM
i vote canada :):)

faboozadoo15
Dec 4th, 2005, 06:00 PM
you'd have to be absolutely retarded to not vote for the united states.
wtf is going on here?
it's also about "producing the best players." and no country will ever come close to the usa in producing players-- just look at sharapova.

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 4th, 2005, 06:16 PM
you'd have to be absolutely retarded to not vote for the united states.
wtf is going on here?
it's also about "producing the best players." and no country will ever come close to the usa in producing players-- just look at sharapova.


the NBTA produced her and alot more
but the USTA dont have a good system

TF Chipmunk
Dec 4th, 2005, 06:30 PM
The USA definitely produces the best players. Whether it's from an academy or not, they train in and are coached by people in the United States, on United States soil. To train and such, they must have adequate courts and sufficient courts, etc. The number of great American players has been outstanding compared to other countries.

Russia does not produce the best players, persay. Russia has given us top players, but not necessarily THE BEST. Sure, they have a lot of quantity, but that doesn't necessarily translate to quality.

Belgium and France, however, have quality over quantity. So it really depends on how you want to look at it.

Mafia_Sharapova
Dec 4th, 2005, 06:32 PM
Chris Evert
Maria Sharapova
Lindsay Davenport
Venus Williams
Serena Williams
Jennifer Capriati
Monica Seles

...all these greats trained in the US to become the players they're now.

Why has Maria in there ? :lol:

she is russian :cool:

Paco
Dec 4th, 2005, 06:35 PM
I think that Russia

tennislover
Dec 4th, 2005, 07:15 PM
UK?
:haha:

iWill
Dec 4th, 2005, 08:17 PM
I say USA because alot of top players from other countries trained in the US and the most famous Russians of them all came to America and became great players not always the ones who stayed in Russia so I think the US produces better players Russia has good players but the ones who've done something big have trained in America

cartmancop
Dec 4th, 2005, 08:50 PM
I would say U.S. they have several top 10 players & GS winners...

The U.S. also have contributed to the development of several great European players through academies, etc.

ClaudiaZ-S
Dec 4th, 2005, 08:52 PM
Ireland :bounce:

Blonde_Ambition7
Dec 4th, 2005, 09:34 PM
To me, Russia has a large number of players but that doesn't mean they're the best.

I think the USA produces better players, quality over quantity.

@m@nd@
Dec 4th, 2005, 09:42 PM
USA and Russia

saint
Dec 4th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Russia, given there is a stream of players waiitng to take the place of Myskina et al.i also think France has produced good players,as well as the USA, but Russia seemed to have got it right in terms of producing a conveyer belt of players. What will happen to french tennis after, Pierce and mauresmo quit? as for the Uk, I'm english and find it so disappointing that we can't produce any players in the women's game, the mens game is slightly better.

flyingmachine
Dec 4th, 2005, 10:03 PM
Definitely NOT the U.K. :o :tape:

IceHock
Dec 4th, 2005, 10:25 PM
the usa easily because theyve had great players for the last 20 years and the first russian to win a slam was myskina last year i couldnt even tell you who won the first slam for usa i based it on how good they and the slams the russians are good and have a lot of people on the top100 but the us has just done better at the big events because they base their game on power

faboozadoo15
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:20 PM
Why has Maria in there ? :lol:

she is russian :cool:
her tennis is all american. games change so much from the time a child is 6, and everything she has as far as tennis, has come from her decision to move to the united states to train her whole life.

Rexman
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:24 PM
Big picture it's the U.S. I'd reckon. They have consistantly had top players for so many years.

Russia right now I'd say is producing the best, look at the lack of young Americans. And Serena and Venus were trained by their father, not the traditional system.

PointBlank
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:29 PM
USA. Look at the amount of players in the top that were trained in the USA. Whether they play for the USA or another country, it doesnt stop the fact they were produced here.

47eggs
Dec 5th, 2005, 03:56 PM
Keep voting people!!!

Which nation do you think will dominate in the future? China?

Maryamator
Dec 5th, 2005, 04:02 PM
first the united states.
second russia.. i mean number 1 in russia was trained in the united states alot of none american players have been trained in the us

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 5th, 2005, 04:18 PM
Switzerland. The arsenal of Roger Federer, Martina Hingis, and Patty Schynder is enough.
They have so much shotmaking ability and make the game entertaining for others to watch.

LefandePatty
Dec 5th, 2005, 04:30 PM
Switzerland. The arsenal of Roger Federer, Martina Hingis, and Patty Schynder is enough.
They have so much shotmaking ability and make the game entertaining for others to watch.

:worship:

I think the same. They are the 3 most talented players in the tennis world.
I always enjoy sooo much watching them playing :hearts:

LefandePatty
Dec 5th, 2005, 04:34 PM
I will say China.

:Pengshole:

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Dec 5th, 2005, 05:52 PM
mmm... perhaps Czech Republic.. producing the past... Maritna Navratilova... and the future... Nicole Vaidisova

TonyP
Dec 5th, 2005, 05:57 PM
Lots of need for defining terms here, including whether you just talking about this year, or historically or including men, too.

Overall, the US would lead, followed closely by Australia, if historically were considered. But then, that would have to include immigrants, since Martina N. became an American, she wasn't born one, nor was Seles. Seles benefitted from American training, although her basics came from her dad, so you would have to give the nod to Yugoslavia, which no longer even exists.

Likewise, would it be fare to call Sharapova Russian, in that most of her formative tennis years were spent in America?

Actually, the old Czechoslovakia would be up there in the running, having produced Mandlikova, Navratilova, Novotna and Hingis, so a lot of slam titles among these four ladies, but you can't really call Hingis anything but Swiss, since she left at such a young age. But if you took these four ladies, you would have something like 27 slam singles titles and god knows how many slam doubles titles. However, if you took King, Evert, the Williams sisters and lumped their titles together, you would exceed that, going over 40 in singles for the US.

Then comes the final question, how about figuring this on a per capita basis? The US currently has 295 million people, which makes it a little bigger than the old Czechoslovia, or Switzerland or Belgium or actually, anywhere else except for India and China and those two countries are only beginning to get into tennis.
So maybe, you have to factor in the number of years they have been producing professional level players, factor in the population, divide it by.......

Actually, forget the whole thing.

SvetaPleaseWin.
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:15 PM
UK if only they were more consistent

borisy
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:26 PM
Belgium...

according to

population / number of top 10 players

or even

population / number of top 100 players

Orion
Dec 5th, 2005, 06:54 PM
Of the top 500:

USA: 47/500
Russia: 38/500
France: 31/500
Germany: 30/500
Czech Rep: 28/500
Italy: 26/500
Japan: 26/500
China: 11/500
Great Britain: 11/500
Belgium: 5/500


Of the top 50:

Russia: 11/50
France: 5/50
USA: 4/50
Czech Rep: 4/50
Japan: 3/50
Italy: 3/50
Belgium: 2/50
China: 2/50
Germany: 1/50
Great Britain: 0/50

France has a great program in creating top 500 players, but not a ton of Grand Slam winners in the past 15 years. The United States has a ton of players in the top 500 because of the challenger circuit in the USA, but there haven't been a ton of young up-and-comers lately.

Germany is intriguing. They produce SO many top 500 players, and they just don't convert to top 50, top 20 talent.

Russia has a great conversion rate, probably because Russian athletes are always better than everyone else.

I was surprised that Italy, Japan, and the Czech Republic produce so many players in the top 500.

In terms of percentage, the Russians and Belgians have the best turnover rate. But in terms of aesthetics, the French and Italians have the nicest games. Italians construct points SO well, and all the French have slightly different styles.

©@®eLess
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:14 PM
looking through history

1 USA
2 Russia
3 Czech
4 France
5 Germany
6 Spain (Conchita and Arantxa..)
7 Sweden(Borg and Edberg should not be forgotten but never that good in womens
8 Argentina
9 Croatia (Majoli, Ivanisevic, Ljubicic, Ancic...)
9 Serbia( Seles, Dokic. Ivanovic, Jankovic, Djokovic)
counting as Ex-yugoslavia add Mima Jausovec, Nikola Pilic...

Ellery
Dec 5th, 2005, 07:19 PM
USA and Russia

tennisjam
Dec 5th, 2005, 09:35 PM
Russian reign has only started...

Other Eastern Europeans are quite good too...

iWill
Dec 6th, 2005, 12:17 AM
This doesnt have anything to do with producing the best to player but I thought it was interesting gotit off wtawtour.com

WHITE PLAINS, NY, USA - Tennis is attracting and retaining more players in the United States in over a decade according to the largest annual survey in sports, the United States Tennis Association and the Tennis Industry Association announced Wednesday, Nov. 30.
Designed to quantify tennis participation in the United States and identify opportunities for growth, the annual study surveyed over 25,500 households, making it the largest participation survey in sports. It was conducted by independent firms, The Taylor Research & Consulting Group and Sports Marketing Surveys.

According to the survey, tennis is at its highest participation in the U.S. since 1992, with 24.7 million Americans playing the sport, up from 23.6 million in 2004. A significant portion of current participants just took to the sport, with 5.8 million players in 2005 being new. Other areas of growth included the number of frequent players (those playing more than 21 times per year topped 5 million, up nearly 10% from 2004), total play occasions (up 14% from 2004) and player retention (80% of players continued with the sport in 2005). There has also been a marked increase in racquet and tennis ball sales as well as television ratings and attendance at professional tournaments.

Much of this growth can be attributed to new initiatives executed in 2005 by the USTA, including Tennis in the Parks, the US Open Series, Tennis Welcome Centers, major advertising campaigns for recreational and pro tennis, increased diversity and multicultural programs and a greater push in schools and college campuses.

"The USTA has dedicated itself to energizing the sport of tennis on every level and has initiated a number of successful programs that are making a difference," said Franklin Johnson, Chairman of the Board and President of USTA. "It’s rewarding to see our decision to make a significant increase in spending to grow the game have such an immediate impact."

"The collaborative efforts across the entire industry are growing the game and positioning tennis for further growth and we would like to thank the USTA sections and all of our industry partners for their efforts," said Kurt Kamperman, Chief Executive of Community Tennis at the USTA. "By developing and promoting key programs like Leagues and Team Tennis, we’re keeping more players in the game and spurring them to play more frequently."

"We are seeing healthy indicators across the board in the sport as more people play tennis, more racquets are purchased and more interest develops in the game," said Jim Baugh, President of the Tennis Industry Association. "With all of the tennis constituents, including manufacturers, retailers, teaching professionals, the TIA and the USTA, focused on a single goal, the sport is growing."

The USTA is the national governing body for the sport of tennis in the United States. It owns and operates the US Open, the largest annually attended sporting event in the world and in 2004, launched the US Open Series, which links 10 summer tournaments to the US Open. It also owns the 94 Pro Circuit events throughout the country, and selects teams for Davis Cup, Fed Cup, Olympic and Paralympic Games. A not-for-profit organization with more than 665,000 members, it invests 100% of its proceeds to promote and develop the growth of tennis, from the grassroots to the pro levels. For more information on the USTA, log on to usta.com. The USTA is currently developing strategic plans to further connect with new and lapsed players through increased promotion and positioning of the sport as social, healthy, accessible and affordable.

The Tennis Industry Association is a not-for-profit trade association made up of tennis related companies and organizations. The TIA’s mission is to promote the growth and economic vitality of tennis. The TIA also serves as a unifying force within the tennis industry bringing together competitive companies to work collectively to promote and grow the sport.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Dec 6th, 2005, 02:37 AM
Germany!!! Hail Hitler and Graf!

Solitaire
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:43 PM
Historically you have to give to the US on both the men’s and women’s. You can't deny the greatness of Davenport, Venus, Serena, and Jenny (When she comes back) Just those four totally out shine any of the current Russian players. In time Maria will win more slams and be #1 for a longer period of time. But I don't really see any of the other Russian girls being multiple GS winners. Like someone said earlier in the thread it’s a matter of quantity vs. quality

guyinsf
Dec 6th, 2005, 03:51 PM
***In the past, Zcech was very impressive with both men and women, Navri, Lendl.
***Spain of course is very good with producing good male players
***US is always one of the top ones for both men and women, though not so much for men right now.
***Russia for women right now for sure!
***France has always been strong too.

PamShriverRockz
Dec 6th, 2005, 04:21 PM
UK hands down - we have had Virginia Wade, Ann Jones AND Sue Barker.


*cough*

LH2HBH
Dec 6th, 2005, 05:17 PM
USA

All of the top USA players are current or former World #1's and multiple slams winners

clonesheep
Dec 6th, 2005, 06:30 PM
Czech Republic, of course. The country has 8 players in the top 100 of WTA. In the last Grand Slam (USO 2005), there were 10 Czech players among the 128 in the main draw plus qualifiers. The number was the 3rd largest next to USA and Russia. But Czech Rep. is a much smaller country.

Czech Rep. has also produced many world class players in the past. Navratilova, Lendl, Mandlikova, Sukova, Novotna, etc. Nicole Vaidisova is the most promising youngster in 2006. Remember, also, that Hingis was born a Czech.

tennisjam
Dec 7th, 2005, 11:41 AM
Czech Republic, of course. The country has 8 players in the top 100 of WTA. In the last Grand Slam (USO 2005), there were 10 Czech players among the 128 in the main draw plus qualifiers. The number was the 3rd largest next to USA and Russia. But Czech Rep. is a much smaller country.

Czech Rep. has also produced many world class players in the past. Navratilova, Lendl, Mandlikova, Sukova, Novotna, etc. Nicole Vaidisova is the most promising youngster in 2006. Remember, also, that Hingis was born a Czech.

yeah, Czech's tennis rocks :)

LostGlory
Dec 7th, 2005, 12:05 PM
It is definetly Spain.....The number of No.1 players and top players they produced is impressive both in WTA and ATP tennis.....
You have to consider Area and population.....How can it be the USA when the USA is almost as big as Europe......

Here are some Statistics...

Players Ranked in the top 100

Sapin 6 Women 10 Men
France 9 Women 9 Men
Russia 15 Women 5 Men
USA 10 Women 8 Men

After this statistics I'll pick France....they seem to have things under control....

TonyP
Dec 7th, 2005, 01:19 PM
How many countries have produced world number ones in both men's and women's tennis in the open era?

Here's the list as I understand it at this point.

USA,
Switzerland,
Spain,
Germany
Czechoslovakia (both Lendl and Navratilova grew up there, but immigrated to the US, but one or both may have been US citizens before rising to number one.)
Australia (both Court and Goolagong were numbere one in the pre-open era)

Varvagina
Dec 7th, 2005, 02:17 PM
Uzbekistan or Thailand :D

Mafia_Sharapova
Dec 7th, 2005, 05:20 PM
Uzbekistan or Thailand :D

IRAC :lol:

goldenlox
Dec 8th, 2005, 02:25 PM
best system for producing players is in France by far

we're producing players without a system of any kind at all.France's system is to pay people like Pierce and Golovin, who live in the US.