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47eggs
Dec 3rd, 2005, 08:52 PM
Long ago, there were plenty of british women high up in the rankings.

Now where have they got to?

There is not 1 woman from great britain in the top 100.

I have heard good things about young Jade Curtis and that she has a good future ahead of her. Appart from that there is nobody.

What has happened?

Volcana
Dec 3rd, 2005, 09:08 PM
That's actually a pretty good question.

A lot more really good Eastern bloc players?

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 3rd, 2005, 09:34 PM
same thing thats gone wrong in Australia

and what's gonna happen in US.

!<blocparty>!
Dec 3rd, 2005, 09:48 PM
It's not cool to play tennis.

dutchsf
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:12 PM
jade curtis is nothing really great as far as i've heard

lindsayno1
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:14 PM
you only need to ask yourself one question which in turn answers pretty much every other question related to england...


What happened to Britain full stop....
all i can say is all hail paula radcliffe....legend!

johnoo
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:15 PM
apart from the likes of Paula Radcliffe I can't think of many other british women who are at the highest level in world sport so the decline is not just in tennis but womens sport in general in the uk.

GoDominique
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:17 PM
I have already prepared the headline "British women's tennis hits rock bottom" in case Baltacha drops out of top 200 after AO.

lindsayno1
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:18 PM
I have already prepared the headline "British women's tennis hits rock bottom" in case Baltacha drops out of top 200 after AO.


i dunno what the hell happened to her... she looked quite promising and had a kick arse serve!

lindsayno1
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:19 PM
apart from the likes of Paula Radcliffe I can't think of many other british women who are at the highest level in world sport so the decline is not just in tennis but womens sport in general in the uk.


Paula Radcliffe is THE best in british sport including men and women by far. There is noone I have more admiration for than her.

GoDominique
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:19 PM
i dunno what the hell happened to her... she looked quite promising and had a kick arse serve!
She has an ugly forehand.

<!Society!>
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:33 PM
ive got a friend that will make it, shes got her tennis scholarship to train in the states in january for 3 years,,,,,,jade curtis is good when playing other british girls because there usually hackers and just get balls back - shes nothing special.

My friend has beaten the top 10 ranked for her age (shes 18) in the country and has the spirit. As for someone saying "its not cool to play tennis" id say after football, peoples next favourite sport is tennis - theres nothing to be critical about in tennis

47eggs
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:37 PM
What is your freind's name?

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:42 PM
Jade's ok but pretty ordinary

maybe there's some hope in 13 yr olds
Tara Moore and Heather Watson.

*hingis_forever*
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:47 PM
The Ren sisters Jennifer and Jessica are supposed to be great prospects! Jessica who is only 11 years old, has beaten some highly ranked British U18 along with her sister who is 12!

fammmmedspin
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:47 PM
The list is now embarassing. It used to be the negative comparisons were with France or Spain or anywhere east of Germany. You now have to look at Belgium or Holland or on a really bad day count the number of top 100 (or top 25) Italians.

Its difficult to see how the PTB could do so badly with so much money available.

Libertango
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:51 PM
apart from the likes of Paula Radcliffe I can't think of many other british women who are at the highest level in world sport so the decline is not just in tennis but womens sport in general in the uk.

You're very right. Though there is Kelly Holmes aswell (though looks like she's retiring anyway)

I jsut don't know about the British women....none of them seem to have that killer instinct. Same old same old really, seems to be the same with a few other British athletes.

Steve-o
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:52 PM
We may not have many young girls taking up the game in GB but you'd think that with the interest and money poured into tennis here, we'd be able to produce a few top players. As for exactly what the problem is I don't know.

Baltacha is frustrating. She's got so much talent and that massive serve. Hopefully health permitting she can make a move this year.

fnuf7
Dec 3rd, 2005, 10:57 PM
Well I read in the Daily Mail (ok, not the greatest source of reliable news...) that there was a pair of British sisters coming up through the ranks, or were showing good potential. They were called the Williams sisters and so were having all sorts of comparisons made with Venus and Serena.

Stupidly I didn't keep the paper and now can't find any mention of them at all anywhere but it was about 3-4 weeks ago, it was mentioned.

It could be quite interesting if we had a pair of girls like Venus and Serena coming up through the ranks, battling eachother etc, but we'll see... Certainly right now Britsh Women's tennis is in dire need of something special. :(

SvetaPleaseWin.
Dec 3rd, 2005, 11:53 PM
Well I read in the Daily Mail (ok, not the greatest source of reliable news...) that there was a pair of British sisters coming up through the ranks, or were showing good potential. They were called the Williams sisters and so were having all sorts of comparisons made with Venus and Serena.

Stupidly I didn't keep the paper and now can't find any mention of them at all anywhere but it was about 3-4 weeks ago, it was mentioned.

It could be quite interesting if we had a pair of girls like Venus and Serena coming up through the ranks, battling eachother etc, but we'll see... Certainly right now Britsh Women's tennis is in dire need of something special. :(

i read about them as well

i wish the british girls could play on clay-why do we always focus on grass-that part of the season is 4 weeks in comparison to the months on clay. the brits are generally less one-dimensional than most of the eastern block players but they're not consistent enough.

brits should be taught just to hit the ball not think-like bolletieri players and the russians do-they do the basics well and that gets them a lot further then the british who are good at everything and yet great at nothing

TF Chipmunk
Dec 4th, 2005, 12:02 AM
The Williams sisters :worship:

manu32
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:42 AM
they have to give english nationality to pierce,or golovin......like france.....

tennisrox
Dec 4th, 2005, 05:32 AM
It's fallen out of popular culture, and lots of courts in 'poorer' areas have been neglected. I went past a public club I used to play at the other day and 3 out of 4 of the courts have no nets any more and the other one had cracks in the surface, the paint fading and the court was covered in leaves. Generally the state of public courts is :help:

The courts I play at have a £60/year fee, which is not much for some but can be a lot for others, who just wouldn't be willing to pay for it.

I agree.Public courts are dreadful. :o

The biggest problem is that kids nowadays are spoilt rotten,and not willing to work their butts off to get somewhere.Tennis is tough.There's no room for treating the girls with kid gloves.The biggest problem is the lack of attitude and desire to reach the top.We've always had a problem with killer instinct.Russians are willing to do anything to succeed,because tennis pays big dividends financially.

I don't really think that much of Jade Curtis.As for Baltcha, she's got a big serve,but the rest of her game is just way too streaky. :sad:

47eggs
Dec 4th, 2005, 05:54 AM
i read about them as well

i wish the british girls could play on clay-why do we always focus on grass-that part of the season is 4 weeks in comparison to the months on clay. the brits are generally less one-dimensional than most of the eastern block players but they're not consistent enough.

brits should be taught just to hit the ball not think-like bolletieri players and the russians do-they do the basics well and that gets them a lot further then the british who are good at everything and yet great at nothing

Very good point!

iWill
Dec 4th, 2005, 06:36 AM
same thing thats gone wrong in Australia

and what's gonna happen in US.
It might happen to the US but I dont think it'll be as bad as GB and Australia because outside of the Williams Lindsay and Capriat there are still alot of Americans in the top 100 or close and some young ones like Anglea Haynes and Shenay Perry and the veterans like Raymond and Jamea Jackson plus I know there are alot of kids playing tennis but not going pro because everyone isnt as successful as the top Americans its a risk to take because its only you you dont have a team to rely on or help you like in other sports I could be wrong but I think thats why alot of kids dont go pro or dont pick up a racket at all

jimbo mack
Dec 4th, 2005, 09:10 AM
brit women's tennis is embrassing :o

i agree that we don't have the killer instinct. girls would much rather be models or appear on x factor - do not forget we live in an obsessed image society therefore tennis does not fit in with that

thrust
Dec 4th, 2005, 09:23 AM
Men^s tennis in England isn^t much better. It is rather amazing considering the money available to be won.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 4th, 2005, 09:30 AM
What went wrong with British tennis is people asking what went wrong with British tennis and those who continually keep on trying to fix the "problem".
The problem will fix itself.
It's not really a big problem. The Brits have forgotten that grass is a natural surface. Look at the Female American Federation. There are really no big grass tournis for women's tennis on American soil, yet most American players play well on it.
All the Brit Federation has to do is stop pretending that there are no hard courts or clay courts on the whole island. I saw the clay courts at Wimbledon. No sense in not using them.
Like the French Federation, if you have enough variety of court surfaces, then the players with natural skills will come up with enough game to actually have enough variety to be good players.
Also there's not a big deal with playing with a court with cracks. Mishits from a lack of a pure bounce happens on clay and grass. It just helps a player to be quicker on their feet and be prepared for anything that comes their way.

:Rawwb:
Dec 4th, 2005, 09:44 AM
All the Brit Federation has to do is stop pretending that there are no hard courts or clay courts on the whole island. I saw the clay courts at Wimbledon. No sense in not using them.
Like the French Federation, if you have enough variety of court surfaces, then the players with natural skills will come up with enough game to actually have enough variety to be good players.

You talk crap - i could swear there is not one clay court in my whole county. Anyone who lives like an hour from London is disadvantaged. Its all very well saying "but there are clay courts at Wimbledon" there are no bloody clay courts in the rest of the country though! I have Astroturf courts and a few indoor hardcourts that I have access too and thats it. The facilities for tennis arent great - Wimbledon is just an excpetion and we all cant use/practically use those.

Ballbasher
Dec 4th, 2005, 09:46 AM
You forget Naomi Cavaday

fifiricci
Dec 4th, 2005, 09:47 AM
Part of the problem is that sports in general are not as well promoted as they used to be to kids in school. I also think that in the UK we still have a pretty narrow attitude towards sports that is concentrated on football, rugby, etc. Tennis has always had a middle/upper class image here and until something is done by the system to change that, we will continue to not tap whatever tennis talent there might be out there.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 4th, 2005, 09:58 AM
You talk crap - i could swear there is not one clay court in my whole county. Anyone who lives like an hour from London is disadvantaged. Its all very well saying "but there are clay courts at Wimbledon" there are no bloody clay courts in the rest of the country though! I have Astroturf courts and a few indoor hardcourts that I have access too and thats it. The facilities for tennis arent great - Wimbledon is just an excpetion and we all cant use/practically use those.

Umm...Yeah. That you have access to. I'm talking about players that have pro potential. Word of mouth gets around pretty fast and when a young person is seen with that potential it's up to the respective tennis federation to do something about it and give them the chance to have variety by allowing them to play on every surface.
Venus and Serena played on cracked hard courts in Compton when they were young. Tamarine Tanasugarn also played on cracked hard courts in Thailand since she was 5. You're acting like many of the pros had the best of everything. A lot of the Russians who stayed in Russia played on pretty bad courts as well. They coped.
None of these players from these perspective countries are natural clay court movers or players. It is something that can be taught though if a player is given the chance to play on the surface at a young age.

:Rawwb:
Dec 4th, 2005, 10:01 AM
Umm...Yeah. That you have access to. I'm talking about players that have pro potential. Word of mouth gets around pretty fast and when a young person is seen with that potential it's up to the respective tennis federation to do something about it and give them the chance to have variety by allowing them to play on every surface.
Venus and Serena played on cracked hard courts in Compton when they were young. Tamarine Tanasugarn also played on cracked hard courts in Thailand since she was 5. You're acting like many of the pros had the best of everything. A lot of the Russians who stayed in Russia played on pretty bad courts as well. They coped.
None of these players from these perspective countries are natural clay court movers or players. It is something that can be taught though if a player is given the chance to play on the surface at a young age.
But my point is we have extrmeely few hard courts, even for the pros. NOt everyone can use the ones at Wimbledon.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 4th, 2005, 10:19 AM
But my point is we have extrmeely few hard courts, even for the pros. NOt everyone can use the ones at Wimbledon.

Well do as some of the Russians do. Use other countries resources and then pretend that it never happened.

:Rawwb:
Dec 4th, 2005, 10:24 AM
I meant to say clay courts.....

Pierce4ever
Dec 4th, 2005, 10:30 AM
Perhaps Anne can come back stronger than ever

Shonami Slam
Dec 4th, 2005, 10:35 AM
they don't send enough girls to the bolliterri academy.
:tape: :lol:

seriously - how can you complain about public courts? here in israel you have those only in a very few places.
it costs me around 8$ just for the court every time i play. there is ONE clay court (as far as i know) and no grass courts (as far as i know).
we only have a few itfs, none over 25K, and this year for the first time in history we'll have a wta tour event.
we have 4 girls in the top500.
tennis is far from bieng promoted here.

what went wrong?
nothing.
your'e doing pretty darn fine.
why aren't you a top nation?
because the rest have caught up, and don't have a strong legacy to lean back at.

Hannah-Louise
Dec 4th, 2005, 10:46 AM
Part of the problem is that sports in general are not as well promoted as they used to be to kids in school. I also think that in the UK we still have a pretty narrow attitude towards sports that is concentrated on football, rugby, etc. Tennis has always had a middle/upper class image here and until something is done by the system to change that, we will continue to not tap whatever tennis talent there might be out there.

i agree, i wish they did tennis at my school, all i was ever given the chance to do is play netball whoop woo! the clubs are too expensive and to be honest there isnt the interest anymore apart from us hardcore fans people here are only slightly interested in tennis during wimbledon and generally only in how Tims doing.

creep
Dec 4th, 2005, 10:49 AM
The sooner the UK has somebody like Jade Goody playing tennis, then the sooner they'll have a Wimbledon contender.

marmite1
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:01 AM
The sooner the UK has somebody like Jade Goody playing tennis, then the sooner they'll have a Wimbledon contender.

:lol: :tape: what a disaster that would be.

47eggs
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:03 AM
Part of the problem is that sports in general are not as well promoted as they used to be to kids in school. I also think that in the UK we still have a pretty narrow attitude towards sports that is concentrated on football, rugby, etc. Tennis has always had a middle/upper class image here and until something is done by the system to change that, we will continue to not tap whatever tennis talent there might be out there.

You have a really good point. Football and Rugby dominate the popular british sports and tennis isn't given enough importance.

I also agree that people have views of only upper classed people playing tennis. This isn't the same in other countries. I don't see many foreign players that seem upper class. The british society are too judgemental on tennis players in their own country.

creep
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:04 AM
:lol: :tape: what a disaster that would be.

:lol: Have you seen Ladies tennis in the UK now?

I don't know, maybe it's me. But does anybody ordinary play tennis in the UK?

And what are the LTA doing with all the money they get every year from Wimbledon? Except creating jobs for the boys.

marmite1
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:06 AM
:lol: Have you seen Ladies tennis in the UK now?

I don't know, maybe it's me. But does anybody ordinary play tennis in the UK?

And what are the LTA doing with all the money they get every year from Wimbledon? Except creating jobs for the boys.

I try not to think about our tennis to be honest. Ive come to terms with that fact that we are just utter rubbish.

creep
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:10 AM
I try not to think about our tennis to be honest. Ive come to terms with that fact that we are just utter rubbish.

lol If you go to Wimbledon, or switch on the TV, you can tell our players a mile off. Most of them look like a pint of milk, and they look like they are sponsored by Oxfam.

AsGoodAsNew
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:27 AM
It's because Britain in general has lost its way - lazy, fat, boozing binge drinkers, who just watch TV and want to be pop stars, and go shopping for CDs, DVDs, and then have the nerve to wear sports clothes - the sight of flab pouring out of sports clothes in Britain is horrific!

All the things Britain tried to be proud in: sport, education and having a good respectful career, has all but vanished. That's why we don't have any dentists and third world hospitals, but lots of fat teenage blobs dreaming of being a Pop Idol!

Rant over!

creep
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:30 AM
It's because Britain in general has lost its way - lazy, fat, boozing binge drinkers, who just watch TV and want to be pop stars, and go shopping for CDs, DVDs, and then have the nerve to wear sports clothes - the sight of flab pouring out of sports clothes in Britain is horrific!

All the things Britain tried to be proud in: sport, education and having a good respectful career, has all but vanished. That's why we don't have any dentists and third world hospitals, but lots of fat teenage blobs dreaming of being a Pop Idol!

Rant over!

Don't forget, wasting their time on the Internet. :)

47eggs
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:33 AM
lol If you go to Wimbledon, or switch on the TV, you can tell our players a mile off. Most of them look like a pint of milk, and they look like they are sponsored by Oxfam.

Just wanted to say that Creep, you are so funny, i love your synical comments, they brighten up evry thread.

You go girl!!

controlfreak
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:52 AM
My theory? After Sue Barker came along, British women realised they could never compete with such beauty, charisma, tannedness and presenting talent, so they gave up playing tennis and retired to the kitchens as cooking was the only way they could hold onto their husbands and stop them watching Sue Barker on the telly again because it's time for tea now dear. Of course, this whole chain of events was meticulously planned by Sue, so she would be unobstructed in her quest to get her hands on the future generations of British male tennis talent and stake her claim to them. Having single-handedly destroyed both women's tennis and Tim Henman's Wimbledon career, she and her robot partner Andrew Castle now have full control over the destiny of Andrew Murray.... God only knows what they'll do to him. In five years' time he'll be doing TV ads for Persil Non-Bio and appearing on Richard & Judy twice a week instead of playing in tennis tournaments.

flyingmachine
Dec 4th, 2005, 12:25 PM
Part of the problem is that sports in general are not as well promoted as they used to be to kids in school. I also think that in the UK we still have a pretty narrow attitude towards sports that is concentrated on football, rugby, etc. Tennis has always had a middle/upper class image here and until something is done by the system to change that, we will continue to not tap whatever tennis talent there might be out there.
I agree with you too. (OMG a Justine fan agree with a hardcore Kim fan. :tape: ) I don't they promoted tennis enough in this coutry. Especially before and after Wimbledon. :o Many of these middle or upper kids don't choose sport as a part of their career and at the moment it's not the cool to play tennis unlike ruby and football. As you said the system has to change or at least the image has to change.

flyingmachine
Dec 4th, 2005, 12:31 PM
The sooner the UK has somebody like Jade Goody playing tennis, then the sooner they'll have a Wimbledon contender.
It might sound. :retard: But this might acturely help. :o
Anyway if Andrew Murray won a GS. I'm very sure that many people will start to play tennis.

GoDominique
Dec 4th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Wow, Britain really seems to be in a worse state than Germany, and not only tennis-wise. :eek:

:Rawwb:
Dec 4th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Also I find another factor is the schooling, so many people want to do there education up until GCSE's(16years) and have tenis as a side activity, rather than going somewhere like boliteri and doing tennis as the main thing and education as the second thing.

flyingmachine
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:01 PM
Don't rule out Baltacha winning a GS :banana:
I'm very :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: if she reaches the top 50.

flyingmachine
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:21 PM
Or like Myskina growing up practicing tennis from 8am to 8pm and then studying at home for 4 hours and going to school only 4 times a year to do exams.

Noone in Britian would make a sacrifice of their education like that for tennis.
Middle and upper class kids will not do that but I think there people living in the poor urban areas would do that but they just don't have the opportunity to do that.

tennisrox
Dec 4th, 2005, 01:57 PM
It's because Britain in general has lost its way - lazy, fat, boozing binge drinkers, who just watch TV and want to be pop stars, and go shopping for CDs, DVDs, and then have the nerve to wear sports clothes - the sight of flab pouring out of sports clothes in Britain is horrific!

All the things Britain tried to be proud in: sport, education and having a good respectful career, has all but vanished. That's why we don't have any dentists and third world hospitals, but lots of fat teenage blobs dreaming of being a Pop Idol!

Rant over!

I absolutely agree!Stupid Pop tarts!Music sucks as well.Bunch of wimps in sequins prancing around and lip-synching to synthesised crap.They call themselves musicians!Most of them wouldn't know one end of a guitar from the other. :o

The whole sytstem has gone down the tubes.

Any decent tennis players we have are so uncool its no wonder none of those fat,lazy kids want to play tennis.Now if Andy Murray didn't look like a drowned rat,had bulging biceps ala Nadal,a pierced eyebrow and a bandanna, I can guarantee more kids would be interested in tennis.He's about as cool as a penguin at a pool party. :o

PS-death to Simon Fuller!! :p

wally1
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:11 PM
I absolutely agree!Stupid Pop tarts!Music sucks as well.Bunch of wimps in sequins prancing around and lip-synching to synthesised crap.They call themselves musicians!Most of them wouldn't know one end of a guitar from the other. :o

The whole sytstem has gone down the tubes.

Any decent tennis players we have are so uncool its no wonder none of those fat,lazy kids want to play tennis.Now if Andy Murray didn't look like a drowned rat,had bulging biceps ala Nadal,a pierced eyebrow and a bandanna, I can guarantee more kids would be interested in tennis.He's about as cool as a penguin at a pool party. :o

PS-death to Simon Fuller!! :p

Let me guess, both of you read the Daily Mail, right?

*hingis_forever*
Dec 4th, 2005, 11:16 PM
It's because Britain in general has lost its way - lazy, fat, boozing binge drinkers, who just watch TV and want to be pop stars, and go shopping for CDs, DVDs, and then have the nerve to wear sports clothes - the sight of flab pouring out of sports clothes in Britain is horrific!

All the things Britain tried to be proud in: sport, education and having a good respectful career, has all but vanished. That's why we don't have any dentists and third world hospitals, but lots of fat teenage blobs dreaming of being a Pop Idol!

Rant over!
That is complete rubbish! Maybe those aspects of British society which you mention have gone down in your expectations, but compared to America (where I live now) they are much more educated and overall in much better physical condition!

And I don't mean to offend Americans, because I'm sure it's just the part of America that I live in that seems so ignorant and fat! LOL!

wally1
Dec 28th, 2005, 02:18 PM
Heard this on the radio yesterday...

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=2461972005

tennisbum79
Dec 28th, 2005, 04:03 PM
Rigid social class structure.


Tennis is still seen as upper class, yet upper class kids, who have the logistic and financial means do not have enough hunger, determination, and drive to make it to the pros. On the other hand, the lower class kids with guts, hunger, determination, and who are willing to try tennis, do not have the means in terms of financial support and readily available adequate facilities.


Most countries that succeed have a tennis federation which is accessible and available to help all motivated kids, regardless of their social class.


There is no reason why former eastern block and Scandinavian countries produce more women players than Britain, a country with the most prestigious tournament.

Stingray
Dec 28th, 2005, 04:19 PM
I think it's seen as too risky- The majority of kids here will complete school, and a large number will then go to college or university in order to establish a secure career. That's what the emphasis is on- getting a good job. It's risky to forgoe all that at age 14 to become a tennis pro.
PLus, if you are an ordinary kid (not a la Henman or Murray) then what the hell do you if you are talented??? Cos I wouldn't know who to go to.....

matthieu_tennis
Dec 28th, 2005, 04:29 PM
its like canada
HERE EVERYTHING IS ON THE HOCKEY :) ( that's work very very weel )
on the tennis side ; (

tennisbum79
Dec 28th, 2005, 04:29 PM
In countries such as the US the drive to succeed and competitve spirit is part of everyday life, tennis or sport in general is just another avenue to succeed in life and support one's family. Although that aspect of tennis as a family enterprise to groom a goose who lay the egg is not well regarded elsewhere, it does produce results in the US. Many atheletes have pulled their entire family out poverty and middle and working class kids in the US turn to sport with that in mind.

matthieu_tennis
Dec 28th, 2005, 04:29 PM
the last top 10 for canada 1982 :)

SelesFan70
Dec 28th, 2005, 05:10 PM
Maybe it's the weather... :confused: