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Volcana
Dec 2nd, 2005, 01:39 PM
04 RUS SHARAPOVA
15 CZE VAIDISOVA
16 SCG IVANOVIC
20 RUS SAFINA
24 FRA GOLOVIN
25 RUS KIRILENKO
32 IND MIRZA
33 RUS CHAKVETADZE
35 BUL KARATANTCHEVA
37 CHN PENG
39 RUS DUSHEVINA
45 ISR PEER
47 CZE SAFAROVA

I'm not one to worship at the alter of youth, but I needed the stat for the 'Peng Plays Like Hingis' thread. Then I goit to thinking. Seven or eight years from now, some subset of these players will be the day-to-day heart of tour. (Plus a few we've haven't heard from yet.) They may not be the best players, but most of them will be somewhere in the top twenty, if they're still playing.

The first thing that jump out is that all but three of them are from Europe.

The second thing is that the first four players listed are tall, at least six feet. Sure we have some small players in the top fifteen (Henin-Hardenne, Schnyder, Schiavone) but the young players actually winning tournaments are all Long Tall Sally.

bellascarlett
Dec 2nd, 2005, 02:36 PM
04 RUS SHARAPOVA
15 CZE VAIDISOVA
16 SCG IVANOVIC
20 RUS SAFINA
24 FRA GOLOVIN
25 RUS KIRILENKO
32 IND MIRZA
33 RUS CHAKVETADZE
35 BUL KARATANTCHEVA
37 CHN PENG
39 RUS DUSHEVINA
45 ISR PEER
47 CZE SAFAROVA

I'm not one to worship at the alter of youth, but I needed the stat for the 'Peng Plays Like Hingis' thread. Then I goit to thinking. Seven or eight years from now, some subset of these players will be the day-to-day heart of tour. (Plus a few we've haven't heard from yet.) They may not be the best players, but most of them will be somewhere in the top twenty, if they're still playing.

The first thing that jump out is that all but three of them are from Europe.

The second thing is that the first four players listed are tall, at least six feet. Sure we have some small players in the top fifteen (Henin-Hardenne, Schnyder, Schiavone) but the young players actually winning tournaments are all Long Tall Sally.

and no surprise...5 from Russia! :D
Maria is really in a league of her own among the younger players ;) But I didn't realize that there are just a few teenagers in the top 50. Somehow thought there were a lot more.

CooCooCachoo
Dec 2nd, 2005, 02:43 PM
American interest would drop if they don't deliver any big talents.

JulesVerne
Dec 2nd, 2005, 02:50 PM
Maria Sharapova could easily dominate the game for many years in the future. I can only see her getting better. She is becoming stronger and more experienced. Many on this board just seem to hate her.

JulesVerne
Dec 2nd, 2005, 02:51 PM
American interest would drop if they don't deliver any big talents.

Maria seems to attract a lot of US interest.

A'DAM
Dec 2nd, 2005, 02:53 PM
04 RUS SHARAPOVA
15 CZE VAIDISOVA
16 SCG IVANOVIC
20 RUS SAFINA
24 FRA GOLOVIN
25 RUS KIRILENKO
32 IND MIRZA
33 RUS CHAKVETADZE
35 BUL KARATANTCHEVA
37 CHN PENG
39 RUS DUSHEVINA
45 ISR PEER
47 CZE SAFAROVA


I dedicate this to Penglover ;)

Craigy
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:08 PM
Tatiana :drool:

CooCooCachoo
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:10 PM
Maria seems to attract a lot of US interest.

But she is not American (although some would disagree) ;) That would make it complete.

bellascarlett
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:11 PM
Maria Sharapova could easily dominate the game for many years in the future. I can only see her getting better. She is becoming stronger and more experienced. Many on this board just seem to hate her.

I really believe that she could. It's just a matter of staying fit and injury-free.

Maryamator
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:13 PM
sesil:worship:

Penglover
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:14 PM
Maria Sharapova could easily dominate the game for many years in the future. I can only see her getting better. She is becoming stronger and more experienced. Many on this board just seem to hate her.

she will say "I am just 19" next year :lol:

Penglover
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:15 PM
I dedicate this to Penglover ;)

how many tournaments she played in 2005 in comparing with others? :rolleyes:

Penglover
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:17 PM
I dedicate this to Penglover ;)

By the way, Peng mostly focused on tier 1 and tier 2 tournaments :lol: and Nicole... :eek:

Mafia_Sharapova
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:20 PM
Maria Sharapova could easily dominate the game for many years in the future. I can only see her getting better. She is becoming stronger and more experienced. Many on this board just seem to hate her.

too right :worship:

SAEKeithSerena
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:23 PM
*hopes that safina will be in the top 10 in '06*:)

Shonami Slam
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:31 PM
King and Glach will be added to the list soon for sure, Chung from Teipei as well as another chinese youngster or too will probably be in there as well.

but it's true - European tennis has very good youth-programmes, but the very top requires talent for the game - countries such as Germany, Spain, Italy - and to a greater success rate France and Italy.
of course the best way of finding out who the talented girls are - is by having tons of great youngsters, of which you can see the brighter of them and push them forwards further.
I've talked about it in numerous threads regarding the belguims and the Germans - the first is mostly given out a "tennis power nation" rank, while the later is usually laughed at, as a country never to have decent players since Graf and Huber.
well - if you look further down the ranks, you'll see the wta rankins are flooded with german girls of all ages, with quite alot in the top500, while Belguim, even though they have two top10 players - also have a very simuler number in the top500, with nothing promising in sight.
building strong teens every year, with developing programmes, local tournies in junior and ITF level, funding and facilities - those are the requirments for success in a larger scale - consistent groups that blend in the tour.
asian and south american countries - apart Argentine and Japan, and perhaps china as well - lack the required systems to build up good players every year.
the awareness to the sport and it's popularity in those countries is not high enough - and so they are still waiting for somekind of star - which is so rare.
Mirza stories are RARE. she has no other competitor in all her country - and it's a one billion people country...
same goes for tulyaganova, Widjaja, Tansugaran, Randrianteffy, Sfar and many others which had a great talent for the game - but their countries didn't have enough to push the one-time-star and build a complete programme behind them.
It's really too bad.
That's why the russians are doing so well - they have such effeciant programmes and so much funding that they can create dozens of solid players, of them they can push 4-5 great players each year to top200 status, and from them we get one or two top20 potential girls.
It's not genes, nor race - It's programmes, funding and connections that defer europe and the USA from the rest of the world, and for the tour to be really competetive - they must start developing african tennis, south american tennis (the men succeeded in that part) and asian tennis, which is having a little blossom at the moment.

Penglover
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:43 PM
*hopes that safina will be in the top 10 in '06*:)

Na def safina 6-1 6-1 :nerner:

tennisrox
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:51 PM
King and Glach will be added to the list soon for sure, Chung from Teipei as well as another chinese youngster or too will probably be in there as well.

but it's true - European tennis has very good youth-programmes, but the very top requires talent for the game - countries such as Germany, Spain, Italy - and to a greater success rate France and Italy.
of course the best way of finding out who the talented girls are - is by having tons of great youngsters, of which you can see the brighter of them and push them forwards further.
I've talked about it in numerous threads regarding the belguims and the Germans - the first is mostly given out a "tennis power nation" rank, while the later is usually laughed at, as a country never to have decent players since Graf and Huber.
well - if you look further down the ranks, you'll see the wta rankins are flooded with german girls of all ages, with quite alot in the top500, while Belguim, even though they have two top10 players - also have a very simuler number in the top500, with nothing promising in sight.
building strong teens every year, with developing programmes, local tournies in junior and ITF level, funding and facilities - those are the requirments for success in a larger scale - consistent groups that blend in the tour.
asian and south american countries - apart Argentine and Japan, and perhaps china as well - lack the required systems to build up good players every year.
the awareness to the sport and it's popularity in those countries is not high enough - and so they are still waiting for somekind of star - which is so rare.
Mirza stories are RARE. she has no other competitor in all her country - and it's a one billion people country...
same goes for tulyaganova, Widjaja, Tansugaran, Randrianteffy, Sfar and many others which had a great talent for the game - but their countries didn't have enough to push the one-time-star and build a complete programme behind them.
It's really too bad.
That's why the russians are doing so well - they have such effeciant programmes and so much funding that they can create dozens of solid players, of them they can push 4-5 great players each year to top200 status, and from them we get one or two top20 potential girls.
It's not genes, nor race - It's programmes, funding and connections that defer europe and the USA from the rest of the world, and for the tour to be really competetive - they must start developing african tennis, south american tennis (the men succeeded in that part) and asian tennis, which is having a little blossom at the moment.

Very well said :yeah:
Good funding,infrastructure,and exposure is essential.It isn't all because of genes.

Volcana
Dec 2nd, 2005, 04:19 PM
how many tournaments she played in 2005 in comparing with others? :rolleyes:This is what the WTA website has to say on that subject.

# of WTA tournaments played

15 SHARAPOVA
17 VAIDISOVA
16 IVANOVIC
21 SAFINA
22 GOLOVIN
24 KIRILENKO
21 MIRZA
23 CHAKVETADZE
15 KARATANTCHEVA
16 PENG
20 DUSHEVINA
23 PEER
15 SAFAROVA (15 WTA, 7 ITF)

Volcana
Dec 2nd, 2005, 04:37 PM
By the way, Peng mostly focused on tier 1 and tier 2 tournaments :lol: and Nicole... :eek:Vaidisova is ranked #15. Peng, #37.
Vaidisova average 93 points for every tournament she played. Peng average 55.

I wouldn't call myself a fan of Vaidisova, but a numerical disparity that large can't be ignored. Vaidisova played a LOT better in 2005.

Penglover
Dec 2nd, 2005, 04:39 PM
Vaidisova is ranked #15. Peng, #37.
Vaidisova average 93 points for every tournament she played. Peng average 55.

I wouldn't call myself a fan of Vaidisova, but a numerical disparity that large can't be ignored. Vaidisova palyed a LOT better in 2005.

Yeah... in tier 3 :angel:

SilK
Dec 2nd, 2005, 05:29 PM
with qually points taken off... Krajicek will be either 49 or 50.

Volcana
Dec 2nd, 2005, 07:05 PM
Yeah... in tier 3 :angel:Vaidisova was also better in the slams

xx ..Peng...Vaidisova
--...----...---------
OZ .. 2r ..... 3r ...
RG .. 2r ..... 2r ...
WB .. -- ..... 3r ...
US .. 1r ..... 4r ...

In the Tier I's, Vaidisova consistently won a couple rounds. Peng went in in the first round twice at Tier I's. Vaidisova played four Tier I's, Peng played five.

..................Peng..Vaidisova
.................................
Toray Pan Pacific..r1.......
Indian Wells...............r3
Miami......................r3
Charleston........ r2......16
Berlin.............16.......
Rome...............r1.......
San Diego..........SF.......
Toronto....................QF
Zurich.....................
Moscow.....................

yukon145
Dec 2nd, 2005, 08:22 PM
isn't Safina 20 years old? i could go check but im lazy.

Volcana
Dec 2nd, 2005, 09:32 PM
isn't Safina 20 years old? i could go check but im lazy.Not til April, '06.

kosmikgroove
Dec 2nd, 2005, 10:13 PM
Vaidisova was also better in the slams

xx ..Peng...Vaidisova
--...----...---------
OZ .. 2r ..... 3r ...
RG .. 2r ..... 2r ...
WB .. -- ..... 3r ...
US .. 1r ..... 4r ...

In the Tier I's, Vaidisova consistently won a couple rounds. Peng went in in the first round twice at Tier I's. Vaidisova played four Tier I's, Peng played five.

..................Peng..Vaidisova
.................................
Toray Pan Pacific..r1.......
Indian Wells...............r3
Miami......................r3
Charleston........ r2......16
Berlin.............16.......
Rome...............r1.......
San Diego..........SF.......
Toronto....................QF
Zurich.....................
Moscow.....................



i love statistics! oh poor penglover, you are even more delusional than a hippie in a bag full of mushrooms

controlfreak
Dec 3rd, 2005, 12:03 AM
I only counted 5 from Europe.

SilK
Dec 3rd, 2005, 12:08 AM
I only counted 5 from Europe.

Russia is Europe ;)

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Dec 3rd, 2005, 01:30 AM
Mashenka! Kirilenko! Tati! Ana! Anna! Nikkie!

Ruling the world!

Penglover
Dec 3rd, 2005, 02:34 AM
i love statistics! oh poor penglover, you are even more delusional than a hippie in a bag full of mushrooms

Please use your high I.Q to check their draws :rolleyes:

Volcana
Dec 3rd, 2005, 03:07 AM
Russia is Europe ;)Technically, controlfreak is right. 75% of Russia is in 'Asia'. What exactly do they call that continental mass anyway? In the Euro-centric schooling of my youth, they called Europe a continent, which of course it isn't. It's western Asia. Goes to show you. Conventions can fly totally in the face of reality, and it's still easy to accept them.

Volcana
Dec 3rd, 2005, 03:11 AM
Please use your high I.Q to check their draws :rolleyes:It seems to me you've been pretty fucking lazy here. Why don't YOU post the draws? Let's see some FACTS supporting your assessment of Peng as a player. Or, we can just leave things as they are. I don't care about convincing you of anything. Maybe Peng IS a better player. But the facts as posted in this thread don't show that. If you want other facts posted, do so. It's on you now.

madame_maria
Dec 3rd, 2005, 03:32 AM
she will say "I am just 19" next year :lol:

well, she is really just 19.

these years, it takes more than youth and vibrance to dominate because of the hugely experienced top players. so maria's still improving. and at the rate she's gng it's fantastic!

madame_maria
Dec 3rd, 2005, 03:41 AM
Please use your high I.Q to check their draws :rolleyes:

sigh. so delusional. :rolleyes:

Andy.
Dec 3rd, 2005, 04:02 AM
isn't Safina 20 years old? i could go check but im lazy.

No she is 19 :D

DutchieGirl
Dec 3rd, 2005, 04:12 AM
with qually points taken off... Krajicek will be either 49 or 50.

She will be soon enough next year anyway. But your post is not completely true. With quality points off NOW she would be around 50, but quality points aren't off NOW, and Misa still have points to come off from last years $50k Bergamo win, which will drop her back a few spots, so she won't actually be top 50 when quality points come off next year! :p