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spiceboy
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:20 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/tennis/jelena-shes-a-hasbeen-says-damir/2005/11/30/1133311108378.html

Jelena? She's a has-been, says Damir
By Alex Brown in London
December 1, 2005
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JELENA Dokic's return to Australia has the blessing of her estranged father, Damir, although tennis's most controversial parent believes his daughter has virtually no chance of re-emerging as a competitive force in the game.

Damir, widely believed to have brought more harm than good to Jelena's career, was adamant the 22-year-old's lifestyle, particularly her choice of boyfriend, was not conducive to success on the court.

"I think the decision to go back to Australia is good for her," Dokic snr told the Herald from Belgrade on Wednesday. "But she must change her life and her coach. She must forget the boy in Croatia It is a big mistake."

Speaking to The Times newspaper in London this week, Jelena outlined her intention to move back to Australia - the country abandoned by the Dokic family four years ago after Damir accused Tennis Australia of rigging the Australian Open draw against his daughter.

"What happened before, I had no control over," Jelena said, in a veiled swipe at her father. "The decisions weren't made by me. This is a decision I am making."

Jelena will end her five-year self-imposed exile from Australia at the Canberra International from January 6-13 and is also chasing a wildcard into the Australian Open, starting the following week.

Jelena returns to Australia 345 places below her peak ranking of No.4, reached after making the French Open quarter-finals three years ago. Family problems, relationship splits and injuries have played a part in her rankings freefall.

But those heady days were always set against a disturbing backdrop, in which Damir's heavy-handed approach to training and penchant for controversy often overshadowed his daughter's deeds on the court. No longer. Having severed ties with her family, Jelena returns to her former homeland in a very different position: independent, alone and struggling to revive a career.

Damir doubts her ability to make a meaningful comeback. Whether made out of spite or honesty, his comments could prove to be the saddest chapter of a sporting story that had all the makings of a fairytale, but seems increasingly like a tragedy.

"I don't think she has a big chance of coming back in tennis," he said. "My opinion is that she should come back here [to Serbia and Montenegro] like before. Now she don't practise. Now she don't live a good life. I don't have any conversation with her. Jelena has not called in maybe two years.

"When she leaves the [family] house, she is finished. We are a strong, good family. She would practise hard and concentrate on tennis. She was good. Now she don't have nothing. Maybe there is a chance that she could come back, but I think it would be very difficult. Every second in her head she has problems."

Australian Open director Paul McNamee yesterday welcomed Jelena's decision to return, saying: "I think the fact she's coming out this week for the training camp and playing in the wildcard play-off shows she's doing the hard yards to get her game going and to try to make a fresh start here in Australia.

"She's trying to make it work. It's not a hit-and-run for a wildcard and then, 'See you later'. Not at all. I think actions speak louder than words."

While McNamee agreed with Australian Fed Cup captain John Alexander that Jelena was capable of breaking back into the world's top 10, he warned: "With the difficulties she's had with her career in the last couple of years, it will take a while for Jelena to re-establish herself. It's still a hill to climb. She's clearly got the game to be able to do that. Your talent doesn't go away. But it's different when you're 22 and you've seen a lot of life, like she has."

Tennis Australia boss Steve Wood also welcomed Jelena's return, saying: "She is now in a position to make her own decisions in life and we are happy to help her make that fresh start."

Damir, meanwhile, holds out little hope of reconciling with Jelena, and again blamed the management company Octagon and the Women's Tennis Association for driving a wedge between the family. Asked if he felt he was to blame in any way for Jelena's split, Damir was blunt. "No," he said. "I don't think so."

Later, when pressed on whether he would return to Australia with his family, as he previously suggested, Dokic snr was similarly short. "I am looking for my job," he said. "I make something like whisky, our national drink."

Still, the regret in his voice is clear. For so long the centre of his life, Jelena no longer wants anything to do with him. "My father and I have completely different ideas," she said. "We aren't on the same wavelength. I am not able to live or work with him."

And Damir, in turn, seems to have turned his back on Jelena. "I don't want to talk about Jelena's decision any more," he said. "She can do anything she wants."

With AAP

JELENA DOKIC


Born: Belgrade, April 12, 1983.

Turned pro: 1998.

Highest ranking: 4. August 2002.

Current ranking: 349.

Singles titles: 5.

Prizemoney: $US3,747,597.

tenn_ace
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:22 PM
She definitely has a lot more chance than if she stayed with him if you ask me.

SilK
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:26 PM
"I don't think she has a big chance of coming back in tennis," he said. "My opinion is that she should come back here [to Serbia and Montenegro] like before. Now she don't practise. Now she don't live a good life. I don't have any conversation with her. Jelena has not called in maybe two years.

Sounds to me like Damir does not like the idea of not having control over Jelena and he carreer.

I hope Jelena can prove him wrong, and show the world that her talent is still there, and she can do it on her own!

:yeah:

Helen Lawson
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:34 PM
That poor girl.

auntie janie
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:40 PM
<And Damir, in turn, seems to have turned his back on Jelena. "I don't want to talk about Jelena's decision any more," he said.">

Thank God for that! Please stick to it, Damir. :p

Lachrymarum
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:47 PM
Although I was never a fan of hers I do hope that she makes a successful comeback on the tour. :D

tennisrox
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:47 PM
Damir is a bastard :mad:
Who cares what he thinks?He's just pissed he's not getting at the money.
She can't do any worse,thats for sure.

Helen Lawson
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:48 PM
I spent decades cursing Ma and Florence for bleeding me dry. But, really, after I bought them that house in Hancock Park, a Cadillac every few years, and a fur coat each every year, they did stay the hell out of my life and didn't make headlines.

JulesVerne
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:48 PM
Eliminating this menace from her life is bound to increase her chances of success.

JulesVerne
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:49 PM
Damir is a bastard :mad:
Who cares what he thinks?He's just pissed he's not getting at the money.
She can't do any worse,thats for sure.

Well expressed :yeah: :yeah:

ys
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:50 PM
These two sound very bitter and immature.. I don't think she has an inner strength to succeed any longer.. he is probably right..

JenCpLvr
Dec 1st, 2005, 03:08 PM
"When she leaves the [family] house, she is finished. We are a strong, good family. She would practise hard and concentrate on tennis. She was good. Now she don't have nothing. Maybe there is a chance that she could come back, but I think it would be very difficult. Every second in her head she has problems."


With a father like him how could the poor girl expect to NOT have problems?? :( :o

Damir, You created it you nasty wooly booger! :mad:

SilK
Dec 1st, 2005, 03:11 PM
These two sound very bitter and immature.. I don't think she has an inner strength to succeed any longer.. he is probably right..

She has basically broken with her family... I think that shows signs of having inner strength.

The question is, does she find it in herself to focus completely on tennis again. I guess that is what you meant? :shrug:

griffin
Dec 1st, 2005, 03:19 PM
I think if she's out of his clutches she's already succeeded.

auntie janie
Dec 1st, 2005, 03:37 PM
I think if she's out of his clutches she's already succeeded.

Agreed. :hug:

ys
Dec 1st, 2005, 03:54 PM
I think if she's out of his clutches she's already succeeded.

Unless it means that she is in someone else's clutches..

ys
Dec 1st, 2005, 03:58 PM
She has basically broken with her family... I think that shows signs of having inner strength.

In opposite. In most of real life cases, breaking up with a family only means being brainwashed and influenced by an outsider. We saw it already in Patty and that Hrenecker guy.. Jelena does not seem to have a strong independent mind. She seems to be easily dominated by stronger mind.

Maryamator
Dec 1st, 2005, 04:03 PM
why are tennis fathers this way i just dont understand if it wasnt for damir helena would have been one of the best by now!

griffin
Dec 1st, 2005, 04:03 PM
Unless it means that she is in someone else's clutches..

True, of course, but I don't think that happens in the majority of cases as you do.

She's put some major distance between herself and a serious burden in her life. That should make it easier to focus on her tennis career, if indeed that's what she wants to do.

I did find it amusing to read Damir's claims that she no longer practices, etc., at the same time he states he has little or no contact with her.

hablo
Dec 1st, 2005, 04:31 PM
what a supportive father :rolleyes::tape:

part of being a parent (not that I am one myself :o ) is learning to let go and let your children make their own decisions :shrug:

I'm sure it's easier said than done but still ... :(

SilK
Dec 1st, 2005, 04:34 PM
In opposite. In most of real life cases, breaking up with a family only means being brainwashed and influenced by an outsider. We saw it already in Patty and that Hrenecker guy.. Jelena does not seem to have a strong independent mind. She seems to be easily dominated by stronger mind.

I do not agree with THAT at all. But since I would like to keep this tennis related, I am not going in to that any further.

She didn't choose her farther, but she did choose her coach/boyfriend. Something can be said about that, for sure. I wouldn't name that under 'easily dominated by a stronger mind'.

I do not know Jelena in person. Therefor I can't really form an honest opinion on that.

Drimal
Dec 1st, 2005, 04:44 PM
@Damir Dokic: look, we have a smilie here on wtaworld for you: :retard:


Good luck Jelena! May you be able to do what YOU want! :)

Albireo
Dec 1st, 2005, 04:59 PM
http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/donkey/SDZ_0210-Donkey-Closeup.jpg http://xo.typepad.com/blog/images/sinkhole.jpg

jj74
Dec 1st, 2005, 05:43 PM
OH that man is unable to keep his big mouth shut

Dominic
Dec 1st, 2005, 05:44 PM
I find it really sad to see that he doesnt really wish her success and believe in her. After all he is his father.

Europe rocks
Dec 1st, 2005, 06:35 PM
I would love to see Jelena get back to the top 20, even the top 10!

Martian Jeza
Dec 1st, 2005, 06:40 PM
True, of course, but I don't think that happens in the majority of cases as you do.

She's put some major distance between herself and a serious burden in her life. That should make it easier to focus on her tennis career, if indeed that's what she wants to do.

I did find it amusing to read Damir's claims that she no longer practices, etc., at the same time he states he has little or no contact with her.

He isn't his daughter worth ! How low can you go... As parents you have to support your children and not bringing them down as Damir does with Jelena :tape:

Bubba08
Dec 1st, 2005, 07:01 PM
Awful Damir as usually. :o

griffin
Dec 1st, 2005, 07:47 PM
Albireo, that is really unfair to the poor jackass in that image.

patricktav2003
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:05 PM
I think that for Jelena it will take a little time like maybe 3 years!!! to regain all her game!!! but she have to built her self-confidence!! without the support! and give to her sport! not just hanging out!--- I think that she is not a has-been - in those terms she is better then Rita Kuti-Kis!!! :)

but she known how to play good tennis! because she was there once!! and im shure she is a top 30 for shure
She can do a commeback like a Majoli one!!! playing great maybe 2-3 wins against top 10 players and in her OWN way

nikita771
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:18 PM
I will definitely be rooting for her to make a good comeback. She definitely has the talent.

switz
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:25 PM
Damir used to get me angry when he spoke in this way but now i just find it funny because it's so clear that he's just a stupid man little man who has nothing to offer anyone.

faboozadoo15
Dec 1st, 2005, 09:45 PM
he really bullshits on how much contact he has with jelena. if it makes his point stronger, he says she calls frequently to speak with her mother (and brother?), but then he says things like she hasn't contacted in 2 years, and then says he knows she's not training and such.

Steve-o
Dec 1st, 2005, 09:58 PM
Damir is one sad, twisted and vile individual. I feel so sorry for Jelena, at least she's got away from him now.

Aerien
Dec 1st, 2005, 10:35 PM
Please take care of Jelena, Tennis Australia. :)

Rexman
Dec 1st, 2005, 11:51 PM
But she must change her life and her coach. She must forget the boy in Croatia It is a big mistake."

Anyone know what this is referring to?

Derek.
Dec 2nd, 2005, 12:57 AM
But she must change her life and her coach. She must forget the boy in Croatia It is a big mistake."

Anyone know what this is referring to?

Bikic.

New
Dec 2nd, 2005, 01:09 AM
Balancing Tennis and family problems... it's hard for her..:sad:

Tati & Dani
Dec 2nd, 2005, 01:14 AM
That idiot will never change

tennnisfannn
Dec 2nd, 2005, 01:20 AM
I saw the title of this thread and came in to balst damir but I thought i would play devil
s advocate for a while. If indeed jelena has not called in two years, then it must mean in the last two years she has not had anything to do with him. It is in the last two years that jelena's career has completely plummeted. Perhaps Damir has a point despite him coming across as a complete jerk. She did after all blossom under him. Sounds to me like she her work practice is the problem and her boyfriend is not helping. while life is impossible with damir, perhaps he is just too protective of jelena and wants the best for her. We can judge him by his actions and words but if we judge him by the results jelena yielded, then maybe we might get some insight into what really happened.
As an aussie I am so thrilled tohave jelena back. She can come back, all the way back to top 10.

WorldWar24
Dec 2nd, 2005, 01:30 AM
I saw the title of this thread and came in to balst damir but I thought i would play devil
s advocate for a while. If indeed jelena has not called in two years, then it must mean in the last two years she has not had anything to do with him. It is in the last two years that jelena's career has completely plummeted. Perhaps Damir has a point despite him coming across as a complete jerk.

Don't trust that fool, he's full of shit. Jelena went back home last december to be with her family, she was there for a while but suddenly left again. She tried, ok? She tried for a long time, but the man is absolutely crazy. So it's ridiculous for him to say they haven't talked for 2 years coz they've been together less than a year ago.

Damir says one thing one day, the next he contradicts himself completely. Yesterday he said what's on this article; Today he said Jelena would make a huge comeback now that she is playing for Aus :retard: He is playing with her mind. He has been all along.

fleur137
Dec 2nd, 2005, 01:33 AM
i really feel sorry for the girl. one step in the right direction and her dad's already denting for already dented confidence. these mind games are really hurtful.

Hayato
Dec 2nd, 2005, 01:36 AM
What a great dad he makes. I saw him in Vienna and was absolutley petrified :haha:

switz
Dec 2nd, 2005, 01:41 AM
I saw the title of this thread and came in to balst damir but I thought i would play devil
s advocate for a while. If indeed jelena has not called in two years, then it must mean in the last two years she has not had anything to do with him. It is in the last two years that jelena's career has completely plummeted. Perhaps Damir has a point despite him coming across as a complete jerk. She did after all blossom under him. Sounds to me like she her work practice is the problem and her boyfriend is not helping. while life is impossible with damir, perhaps he is just too protective of jelena and wants the best for her. We can judge him by his actions and words but if we judge him by the results jelena yielded, then maybe we might get some insight into what really happened.
As an aussie I am so thrilled tohave jelena back. She can come back, all the way back to top 10.

that's a bit too simplistic of an explanation IMO. you could see her game going off the tracks at the end of her time with Damir. Clearly breaking away from this unhealthy relationship with her father was going to be very hard for her both emotionally and for her tennis because it meant she essentially had to say goodbye to her entire family - which could not be easy for anyone. Then she may have got into another bad relationship - but you can't just say she did well with Damir and then poorly after him and therefore Damir is right.

To say that she had all her success under Damir is silly anyway because the development of her game came under the numerous coaches that Tennis Australia provided her with including Tony Roache etc- he had a role but it was mainly keeping her focused solely on tennis.

People often to seem to forget that these girls are actually human beings who have a life outside tennis and all there problems can't be swept away by having success on court.

*roddicksinme*
Dec 2nd, 2005, 01:46 AM
good luck Jelena :D

Albireo
Dec 2nd, 2005, 01:57 AM
Albireo, that is really unfair to the poor jackass in that image.

You're right, of course. And not only is it unfair to the donkey, it was too soft on Damir. I should have said

http://www.lostbrain.com/sports/brandon/annicka/douche.jpghttp://www.gettysburg.edu/it/itt/itbits/clipart/lunch-bagtrans.gif

for greater accuracy.

Dawn Marie
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:09 AM
Jelena is showing stength and determination. I mean how can anyone question Jelena's choice?? She wants to stay in a healthy environment and this means leaving her family to do so. If anything her mother should step in and go to Australia with her daughter. I mean Damir is a abusive man. She is leaving cousins, aunts, grandparents, siblings to remain healthy in the emotional mind. It could be easy to stay, comfortably numb but it was harder to leave. She did it. Now she can begin her own life and live for Jelena.

I am proud of Jelena and I really hope she gets back to the top. For herself and to prove her dad wrong!!

Jelena, YOU GO GIRL!! Stay strong and keep on keepin on!!

Sevenseas
Dec 2nd, 2005, 07:40 AM
"I don't think she has a big chance of coming back in tennis," he said.

Whatever you feel or think just keep it to yourself Damir, we are NOT interested!!!!!!!!! :mad:

Leave everything aside, how cruel a father can be is far beyond my comprehension.

What bothers me even more is why do these reporters keep on making the similar interviews, raising the same questions to him over and over again!?!?!?!? All of us are capable of getting the general idea of what Damir says and/or intends to do here!

KimC&MariaSNo1's
Dec 2nd, 2005, 09:06 AM
I think he has always been the problem in the equation hes dominated her for her life now shes free she needs to do whst she wants it takes time for her to realise that what she wants is to play Tennis now shes back and working hard and ready to get back to where she was and even further.

fleur137
Dec 2nd, 2005, 09:47 AM
hey anyone know who her coach is gonna be?

Jakeev
Dec 2nd, 2005, 09:54 AM
Jelena played 22 matches in 2005. Did anyone actually see her play this year? If she is dedicated enough to the sport I don't see why she can't become an elite player again.

She has the talent, the shotmaking and the intensity to be back near the top.

Will be interesting to see how she and Hingis compete in 2006.

vutt
Dec 2nd, 2005, 10:22 AM
From latest reports it seems that he isn't that upset about her decision to return down there. He even said something like "Jelena will prove she can be the best in Australia. Here, in Serbia, she hadn't conditions to succeed." (Source: http://marijanacdusan.on.neobee.net/e-headlines.htm)

...but he is still pissed about her croat boy ;)

Rtael
Dec 2nd, 2005, 11:36 AM
I saw the title of this thread and came in to balst damir but I thought i would play devil
s advocate for a while. If indeed jelena has not called in two years, then it must mean in the last two years she has not had anything to do with him. It is in the last two years that jelena's career has completely plummeted. Perhaps Damir has a point despite him coming across as a complete jerk. She did after all blossom under him. Sounds to me like she her work practice is the problem and her boyfriend is not helping. while life is impossible with damir, perhaps he is just too protective of jelena and wants the best for her. We can judge him by his actions and words but if we judge him by the results jelena yielded, then maybe we might get some insight into what really happened.
As an aussie I am so thrilled tohave jelena back. She can come back, all the way back to top 10.


You're fucking sick.

Laikade
Dec 2nd, 2005, 12:17 PM
Jelena :hug:
Daddy Dokic :ras:

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 2nd, 2005, 12:34 PM
I agree with Damir. I just think Jelena's game is one that is not going to have much success. All the young girls have her gamestyle. Most of them serve better, hit harder, have better shotmaking ability, and move better than Jelena has ever done. One of the things that many of these players are vulnerable with is net play. I recommend Jelena comes to net or plays doubles as much as possible.
I do think that Australia will help Jelena.
Her choice not to play in Australia during her comeback attempt hurt her more than she knows. The surface is good for her in Australia and she really does have a good chance to get far in these tournis in Australia. She did play some lower Teir tournis last year but honestly she didn't really have a chance against players that were already in their stride of playing for 4-5 months.
I don't think she is ever going to get back to a top 5 ranking. She should be happy with just getting back to the top 20 or top 30.

jd4eva
Dec 2nd, 2005, 02:01 PM
I agree with Damir. I just think Jelena's game is one that is not going to have much success. All the young girls have her gamestyle. Most of them serve better, hit harder, have better shotmaking ability, and move better than Jelena has ever done. One of the things that many of these players are vulnerable with is net play. I recommend Jelena comes to net or plays doubles as much as possible.
I do think that Australia will help Jelena.
Her choice not to play in Australia during her comeback attempt hurt her more than she knows. The surface is good for her in Australia and she really does have a good chance to get far in these tournis in Australia. She did play some lower Teir tournis last year but honestly she didn't really have a chance against players that were already in their stride of playing for 4-5 months.
I don't think she is ever going to get back to a top 5 ranking. She should be happy with just getting back to the top 20 or top 30.

Jelena Dokic is one of the hardest hitters in tennis history. You just have to watch any of her matches when she was in form to see how penetrating and dominating her shotmaking ability is. I can't think of a single young player out there who can match Dokic toe to toe with sheer power.

WorldWar24
Dec 2nd, 2005, 02:20 PM
Jelena Dokic is one of the hardest hitters in tennis history. You just have to watch any of her matches when she was in form to see how penetrating and dominating her shotmaking ability is. I can't think of a single young player out there who can match Dokic toe to toe with sheer power.

I don't think it has much to do with power. Jelena's flat shots aren't powerful, they are extremely fast and accurate. Jelena can keep long rallies while hitting the ball consistently on the baseline. Dementieva's groundstrokes are amazing as well, but Jelena doesn't have a weaker stroke. Her backhand is just as good as her forehand and her lobs and drop shots are beautiful, but risky like everything else in her game. Jelena goes for it in every shot and that's why her game was so appealing and so efficient on clay and grass. On clay, each shot must have a purpose, and Jelena's shots always had an intention. On grass, her dropshots and flat groundstrokes thrived. The lack of a reliable serve never allowed her to stand up to players like Davenport on hardcourts, though

pigam
Dec 2nd, 2005, 02:39 PM
it's a sad story.
it always makes me wonder if the situation would have been something similar if Justine wouldn't have 'broken' with her dad at such a young age.
we cannot judge nor know what exactly is going on. i'm just gratefull my parents seem to be well euhm... :unsure: better!!

patricktav2003
Dec 2nd, 2005, 04:17 PM
they are making so much pressure on Jelena!! with what Damir is saying!!