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Kunal
Dec 1st, 2005, 07:00 AM
Why is there a lack of respect for other players in the WTA? Quite contrary to ATP where most players respect each other.

Obviously there are aberrations and its not like ATP is a model of sportsmanship and good behaviour. Example.. (Coria's feud with Roddick)

But as a whole……ATP tennis players get along much better than WTA players.
Safin, Federer, Roddick, Ferero, Nadal are all fine.

Whereas, Sharapova, Serena, (Now Hingis), Venus, Myskina, Justine do not show the camaraderie or even respect for each other.

Big egos, cattiness and what not.

Throw in a line or two
So I can sense what your minds are upto,
On this particular topic.

LeRoy.
Dec 1st, 2005, 07:01 AM
Coria and Hewitt are best friends :yeah:

LeRoy.
Dec 1st, 2005, 07:01 AM
so are Hewitt and Blake and Ivan L. and Roddick :)

Knizzle
Dec 1st, 2005, 07:03 AM
Why is there a lack of respect for other players in the WTA? Quite contrary to ATP where most players respect each other.

Obviously there are aberrations and its not like ATP is a model of sportsmanship and good behaviour. Example.. (Coria's feud with Roddick)

But as a whole……ATP tennis players get along much better than WTA players.
Safin, Federer, Roddick, Ferero, Nadal are all fine.

Whereas, Sharapova, Serena, (Now Hingis), Venus, Myskina, Justine do not show the camaraderie or even respect for each other.

Big egos, cattiness and what not.

Throw in a line or two
So I can sense what your minds are upto,
On this particular topic.

I think Hingis, Capriati, Venus, Serena, Davenport all respect each other alot. They owned an "era" and despite having war of words, they usually still regard each other as the best players.

dreamgoddess099
Dec 1st, 2005, 07:35 AM
Men compete with men for women, Women compete with women for attention. Men are a lot less complicated, all they basically need are *edit* food, fucking, video games, and or sports? Does that about cover it?

Fingon
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:09 AM
Men compete with men for women, Women compete with women for attention. Men are a lot less complicated, all they basically need are food, pussy, and video games.

drinks as well

CooCooCachoo
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:13 AM
Last time I checked, it was on the ATP Tour that players tried to get another player (Daniel Köllerer) banned from the circuit; not on the WTA Tour.

No Name Face
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:14 AM
um...the men don't get along.

ivan is the 'bitch' of the ATP, coria and lleyton fight, marat said he didn't get the hype around nadal (i think he was implying that he's not that great yet, which is true, but it's worse than what serena would say...), blake and lleyton don't get along...

i could go on.

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:21 AM
Men are a lot less complicated, all they basically need are food, pussy, and video games.

Video games? I don't think so.

LH2HBH
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:23 AM
some men like dick better and they are fucking great tennis players like me

Dan23
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:26 AM
Video games? I don't think so.
yeah...swap video games for sport

Fingon
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:32 AM
some men like dick better and they are fucking great tennis players like me

which player are you fucking? :confused:

LH2HBH
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:33 AM
which player are you fucking? :confused:

Rafael Nadal, Feliciano Lopez comes to mind, and don't forget about Jean-Michael Gambill - WOW

dania
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:47 AM
um...the men don't get along.

ivan is the 'bitch' of the ATP, coria and lleyton fight, marat said he didn't get the hype around nadal (i think he was implying that he's not that great yet, which is true, but it's worse than what serena would say...), blake and lleyton don't get along...

i could go on.


Most people say that the WTA is worse because women are cattyer,but that`s not true,the men also fight a lot.Let`s face it both the ATP and the WTA could be called BITCHES`R`US.

~ The Leopard ~
Dec 1st, 2005, 08:48 AM
drinks as well

French champagne or good red wine, or even some Guinness, with fine food of an appropriate kind for the particular beverage. This can take place after a day at the AO to meet Dan23's point. All should be done in the company of a beautiful, intelligent and charming girlie. Sex can follow the food and drink. Some sleep is then necessary. Repeat this indefinitely.

dreamgoddess099
Dec 1st, 2005, 10:18 AM
some men like dick better and they are fucking great tennis players like me

Well if you must get technical about it, dick/pussy= bustin nuts.

new-york
Dec 1st, 2005, 10:35 AM
some men like dick better and they are fucking great tennis players like me

:lol:

Volcana
Dec 1st, 2005, 12:51 PM
Why is there a lack of respect for other players in the WTA?There isn't. If you actually look for examples, you'll realize they players are quite respectful of each othe 99% of the time.

alfajeffster
Dec 1st, 2005, 12:51 PM
Dreamgoddess has pretty much nailed it. Men are walking through life with one hand on the penis toy divining rod, trying to stick it in here, poke it in there, to make something happen. Men have a greater sexual drive than women, however, women have a greater sexual capacity. Women are walking through life as a hole, taking in all of the joys, sorrows, frustrations, jealousies and problems of the world, and giving back to it babies. This is why men are better behind the wheel. Most men are going from point A to point B, and get there the most direct and efficient route possible. Most women after 5 minutes (or less) into the journey, are thinking about the chicken in the oven, their 13 year-old's homework assignment, the back-stabbing gossipy bitch at work who commented indirectly about her shoes and sexual appetite (not necessarily in that order), and voila- it's time to stop and ask for directions while simultaneously spilling her purse all over the front seat in search of a particular shade of lipstick and a good credit card- all with a cell phone blaring in one hand, and a cigarette in the other.

Maryamator
Dec 1st, 2005, 12:57 PM
kim gets along with almost everyone on the tour i think.. other than that mens get along more than the womens

alfajeffster
Dec 1st, 2005, 01:04 PM
Chris Evert got along with most of the players on the men's tour...

Paneru
Dec 1st, 2005, 01:54 PM
Why is there a lack of respect for other players in the WTA? Quite contrary to ATP where most players respect each other.

Obviously there are aberrations and its not like ATP is a model of sportsmanship and good behaviour. Example.. (Coria's feud with Roddick)

But as a whole……ATP tennis players get along much better than WTA players.
Safin, Federer, Roddick, Ferero, Nadal are all fine.

Whereas, Sharapova, Serena, (Now Hingis), Venus, Myskina, Justine do not show the camaraderie or even respect for each other.

Big egos, cattiness and what not.

Throw in a line or two
So I can sense what your minds are upto,
On this particular topic.

I think you simply don't know
what you are talking about.

The only cattiness I see is
with their fans and blowing things
out of proportion more often than not!.

Yeah, they may not be the best of buds
and hang out during tournaments and what
not but that doesn't mean they don't all have
mutual respect for each others talents! :p


http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/6207/0058xg.jpg

http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2086_gallery.JPG

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Reuters_Photo/2004/07/03/1088869333_5725.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40347000/jpg/_40347973_serenaw203.jpg

http://www.tennis-ontheline.com/pics/03tt2/wttldms03.jpg

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/photo/content/sports/photos/popups/2005_fed_cup/images/083.jpg


Nothing but media generation and
fan bitchery!

Always trying to pit the
women against each other!

Mafia_Sharapova
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:21 PM
I think you simply don't know
what you are talking about.

The only cattiness I see is
with their fans and blowing things
out of proportion more often than not!.

Yeah, they may not be the best of buds
and hang out during tournaments and what
not but that doesn't mean they don't all have
mutual respect for each others talents! :p


http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/6207/0058xg.jpg

http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2086_gallery.JPG

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Reuters_Photo/2004/07/03/1088869333_5725.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40347000/jpg/_40347973_serenaw203.jpg

http://www.tennis-ontheline.com/pics/03tt2/wttldms03.jpg

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/photo/content/sports/photos/popups/2005_fed_cup/images/083.jpg


Nothing but media generation and
fan bitchery!

Always trying to pit the
women against each other!

:yeah::yeah::yeah:

griffin
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:22 PM
Chris Evert got along with most of the players on the men's tour...

That's one way to put it :p

What No Name Face said.

No Name Face
Dec 1st, 2005, 02:29 PM
love that picture of vee and myskina :)

Sally Struthers
Dec 1st, 2005, 03:19 PM
That's what happen when you get a bunch of women together in a confined environment. We are more petty and take things more personally than men and hold onto grudges longer. Men, they can just take their agression out on the court and forget about whatever happened in the match when they leave it. But women just can't let go and think other women are out to destroy them so the claws come out :lol:

TonyP
Dec 1st, 2005, 03:21 PM
The men do seem to have more camaradorie than the women. Proof? Top men players practice with other top men players all the time at tournaments. Its rare that the well known women players practice with each other, although it happens. ( in 2002, I watched Justine and Martina hitting together at Indian Wells.)

But the full answer is, the women are not nearly as antagonistic to one another as you would think. Most of them get along just fine. The press tries its hardest to get the women to bad mouth each other and often would rather cover the off-court "cat fights" than the on court tennis. In real life, I doubt that Martina and Venus ever said a bad word to one another. They may not be friends, but the respect each other. And Martina and Serena were almost always friendly and both of them had said that. The media ignores that, because it is NOT what the media wants to hear. Its a much better "story line" if the girls hate one another.

But even the press doesn't display the venom found among the fans. There is more hatred on these boards than in the entire history of tennis.

Helen Lawson
Dec 1st, 2005, 03:42 PM
It's the same in Hollywood. You have Sean Penn defending Chris Rock's jokes about Jude Law on the Oscars before millions says he thinks Jude Law is a fine actor and taking offense to Rock's joke to the contrary. You'd never see an actress defend another one like that. I mean, if I was presenting and Chris Rock had just stated that Julia Roberts was the Whore of Babylon who couldn't act, I wouldn't give a shit, I mean, no one did me any favors in Hollywood, so why stick my neck out for her?

alfajeffster
Dec 1st, 2005, 05:05 PM
...Its a much better "story line" if the girls hate one another.

But even the press doesn't display the venom found among the fans. There is more hatred on these boards than in the entire history of tennis.

That is so true. This board is full of queens on a mission to tie two cats' tails together and send them over a clothes line to watch them go picnicing and slicing at each others' throats. I did once go through that phase, but thankfully got over my need or desire to re-hash the Bette Davis/Joan Crawford syndrome. One of my all-time favorite quotes is from the great Vivien Leigh (Scarlett O'Hara), who when approached to do the film "Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte" in the early 60s, said "I could barely stand waking up in Mississippi at 5 o'clock in the morning, let alone having to look at Bette Davis." Needless to say, Miss Davis was not amused!:lol:

creep
Dec 1st, 2005, 05:10 PM
Men compete with men for women, Women compete with women for attention. Men are a lot less complicated, all they basically need are *edit* food, fucking, video games, and or sports? Does that about cover it?

And beer.

miranda_lou
Dec 1st, 2005, 05:13 PM
Last time I checked, it was on the ATP Tour that players tried to get another player (Daniel Köllerer) banned from the circuit; not on the WTA Tour.
That's because Kollerer is an ass??:rolleyes: And, anyway, that incident was on the Futures/Challenger circuit, wasn't it? The guys playing in the Big Show wouldn't even bother with someone like that.

I don't really think the women have a lack of respect for each other and I think they generally get along just fine. It's just that when one little thing happens between two women it's taken out of context and blown up from a molehill into a mountain. That's because the media is run by MEN and they just love to show any (sports)woman in a bad light.:mad:

hablo
Dec 1st, 2005, 05:15 PM
Last time I checked, it was on the ATP Tour that players tried to get another player (Daniel Köllerer) banned from the circuit; not on the WTA Tour.
:worship: I saw that thread too :tape::haha:

hablo
Dec 1st, 2005, 05:20 PM
um...the men don't get along.

ivan is the 'bitch' of the ATP, coria and lleyton fight, marat said he didn't get the hype around nadal (i think he was implying that he's not that great yet, which is true, but it's worse than what serena would say...), blake and lleyton don't get along...

i could go on.
and Marat said he's no longer on speaking terms with Roddick too, since the last olympics :lol:

bellascarlett
Dec 1st, 2005, 05:34 PM
That is so true. This board is full of queens on a mission to tie two cats' tails together and send them over a clothes line to watch them go picnicing and slicing at each others' throats. I did once go through that phase, but thankfully got over my need or desire to re-hash the Bette Davis/Joan Crawford syndrome. One of my all-time favorite quotes is from the great Vivien Leigh (Scarlett O'Hara), who when approached to do the film "Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte" in the early 60s, said "I could barely stand waking up in Mississippi at 5 o'clock in the morning, let alone having to look at Bette Davis." Needless to say, Miss Davis was not amused!:lol:

I absolutely love Vivien...hence my name...:)

bellascarlett
Dec 1st, 2005, 05:38 PM
and Marat said he's no longer on speaking terms with Roddick too, since the last olympics :lol:

Yeah he did! It was quite surprising for him to have revealed that. I wonder what happened but Roddick is known to be quite an ass...so... :lol: Marat said Roddick has changed and not for the good... ;)

saki
Dec 1st, 2005, 05:42 PM
Women liking one another just doesn't sell papers. Most players have friends on tour. Justine invited several players to her wedding as did Nathalie Dechy.


http://www.justine-henin-hardenne.net/images/offcourt_87.jpg


http://www.justine-henin-hardenne.net/images/offcourt_89.jpghttp://www.justine-henin-hardenne.net/images/offcourt_64.jpg

alfajeffster
Dec 1st, 2005, 05:56 PM
I absolutely love Vivien...hence my name...:)

I do too. If you haven't seen the old b&w film "Waterloo Bridge" (1937 or 8), by all means get it. It's her first really big role, and she's outstanding in it, a year before Gone With the Wind. Of course, "Streetcar Named Desire" is the other film she's remembered for, but I can't watch that too often- I end up hearing "STELLA!" in my head for weeks afterward.:lol:

bellascarlett
Dec 1st, 2005, 06:03 PM
I do too. If you haven't seen the old b&w film "Waterloo Bridge" (1937 or 8), by all means get it. It's her first really big role, and she's outstanding in it, a year before Gone With the Wind. Of course, "Streetcar Named Desire" is the other film she's remembered for, but I can't watch that too often- I end up hearing "STELLA!" in my head for weeks afterward.:lol:

:lol: That was the first time I saw Brando as a young actor and I was shocked at his body - way hot! But yeah I'm now actually hearing "Stella!" in my head now that you've mentioned it...would love to see Waterloo Bridge ...thanks for the recommendation! :) It's hard to get copies of such classics though...

gabybackhand
Dec 1st, 2005, 07:02 PM
Dreamgoddess has pretty much nailed it. Men are walking through life with one hand on the penis toy divining rod, trying to stick it in here, poke it in there, to make something happen. Men have a greater sexual drive than women, however, women have a greater sexual capacity. Women are walking through life as a hole, taking in all of the joys, sorrows, frustrations, jealousies and problems of the world, and giving back to it babies. This is why men are better behind the wheel. Most men are going from point A to point B, and get there the most direct and efficient route possible. Most women after 5 minutes (or less) into the journey, are thinking about the chicken in the oven, their 13 year-old's homework assignment, the back-stabbing gossipy bitch at work who commented indirectly about her shoes and sexual appetite (not necessarily in that order), and voila- it's time to stop and ask for directions while simultaneously spilling her purse all over the front seat in search of a particular shade of lipstick and a good credit card- all with a cell phone blaring in one hand, and a cigarette in the other.

Yeah, but most men can't do more than one thing at a time, and that doesn't imply they do it well. I'd bet most men would drive CRAZY having to drive a car and think about cooking and kid's homework, as women usually do because men just have to work. As if women don't work too. Pretty sexist point of view, only to look ridiculous at the sight of so many terrible things happen in a world mostly made and ruled by men
Women are terrible too in some areas, but at least they usually have that altruistic drive so rarely seen in men.
But about tennis I agree, at least these days, male players are often more respectful towards the other, but with remarkable opposite examples: obnoxious and big-mouthed Coria comes to mind

gabybackhand
Dec 1st, 2005, 07:05 PM
BTW, even if it's true that a man's life could be filled with food, sex and sports or video-games, not all men are like that. Some of us have a useful brain and a warm heart inside our chest, and don't go through life just eating trash, working, getting back home to sit in front of TV and have sex once a week with a wife you're resigned to stay with. Just to show there are some different and interesting men too.

wally1
Dec 1st, 2005, 07:18 PM
:lol: That was the first time I saw Brando as a young actor and I was shocked at his body - way hot! But yeah I'm now actually hearing "Stella!" in my head now that you've mentioned it...would love to see Waterloo Bridge ...thanks for the recommendation! :) It's hard to get copies of such classics though...

www.amazon.com :)

bellascarlett
Dec 1st, 2005, 07:25 PM
www.amazon.com :)

haha yeah I was gonna say unless you buy them online...

Kunal
Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:21 AM
nice pics....

alfajeffster
Dec 2nd, 2005, 11:46 AM
BTW, even if it's true that a man's life could be filled with food, sex and sports or video-games, not all men are like that. Some of us have a useful brain and a warm heart inside our chest, and don't go through life just eating trash, working, getting back home to sit in front of TV and have sex once a week with a wife you're resigned to stay with. Just to show there are some different and interesting men too.

Will you marry me?

raquel
Dec 9th, 2005, 10:54 PM
Women liking one another just doesn't sell papers. Most players have friends on tour. Justine invited several players to her wedding as did Nathalie Dechy.


http://www.justine-henin-hardenne.net/images/offcourt_87.jpg


http://www.justine-henin-hardenne.net/images/offcourt_89.jpghttp://www.justine-henin-hardenne.net/images/offcourt_64.jpg

These pictures show Justine and Amelie in the same group and getting along well but after Kim won the US Open Justine was quoted as saying something like "I knew Kim would win a Grand Slam. She's not Amelie." While I agree with that, a lot of people thought if Justine was a friend of Amelie she would not have said that publicly like that. I think it just showed that although players get along, the competitive edge will always be there and that's what it is - competitive edge rather than bitchiness.

A lot of books about the tour have said the questions asked in press conferences on the WTA are very different from the questions asked on the ATP tour. The ATP players get more tennis based questions. The WTA players get tennis based questions but also more personal questions the men don't get asked and obviously if the women are being asked more about the other girls on tour, they are going to say more about others on the tour than the men are. I do think the men are just as outspoken anyway. Ljubicic especially.

JulesVerne
Dec 9th, 2005, 11:01 PM
If I remember correctly last year in the Australian Open, Lleyton Hewitt had one very frictional match against James Blake and in his next match spitting and swear words were exchanged between Lleyton and Chela. Other players at the same event seemed to be complaining about Lleyton's C'mons after their errors.

raquel
Dec 9th, 2005, 11:08 PM
If I remember correctly last year in the Australian Open, Lleyton Hewitt had one very frictional match against James Blake and in his next match spitting and swear words were exchanged between Lleyton and Chela. Other players at the same event seemed to be complaining about Lleyton's C'mons after their errors.
Chela spat at Lleyton. I'm still surprised he wasn't heavily punished for that. Footballers who spit are always heavily punished. Lleyton was still the bad guy though, even after that incident.

James Blake was unhappy about Lleyton shouting after Blake hit an error. That stand kind of lost any credibility at the US Open when James was buying tickets for every match for a group of his friends who cheered for errors of his opponents, and sang "Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na, Hey, Goodbye!" as Blake's beaten opponents (including Nadal) were leaving the arena.

JulesVerne
Dec 9th, 2005, 11:35 PM
Chela spat at Lleyton. I'm still surprised he wasn't heavily punished for that. Footballers who spit are always heavily punished. Lleyton was still the bad guy though, even after that incident.

James Blake was unhappy about Lleyton shouting after Blake hit an error. That stand kind of lost any credibility at the US Open when James was buying tickets for every match for a group of his friends who cheered for errors of his opponents, and sang "Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na, Hey, Goodbye!" as Blake's beaten opponents (including Nadal) were leaving the arena.

Does sort of contradict "Why is there a lack of respect for other players in the WTA? Quite contrary to ATP." :lol: :lol: :lol: