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mr_parental
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:08 PM
I just don't think she can handle the power of today's game. Everyone just hits it so hard and she just won't manage. Her serve has to improve. Even the pathetic Weingartner of 2005 beat her relatively easily after the first set. It so not gonna happen. I know the fact evryone has injuries is inspiring her but, there are just too many people out there who can give her a good thrashing. I honestly think in 18months this comeback will be all but over. Sorry to be blunt but it's the truth.

Geisha
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:09 PM
I think she can still compete. I think she needs a couple of tournaments to warm up to the game. Remember, if she beefs up her serve, she'll be a force again.

JonBcn
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:11 PM
If Dementieva can be in the top ten with her serve, there's no reason why Hingis can't be at least top 20.

Geisha
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:12 PM
definitely!

manu
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:14 PM
I think a big part of the solution for Martina will be her fitness (conditioning + strength). If she stays healthy and (very) fit, she might have a chance to develop her strategic gameplan again against the majority of the players. Whether she can crack the top-10 again, though, remains to be seen. But IMO - although I could of course be very wrong about this - she can definitely crack the top-20.

mr_parental
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:14 PM
If Dementieva can be in the top ten with her serve, there's no reason why Hingis can't be at least top 20.

Yeah but that is not where we would want to see her. A former no.1 should not be hanging around the 20s. Also, Dementieva has hard/powerful groundstrokes which are need in today's age which upshot the awful serve but, not enough for her to win a slam. ;)

Spunky83
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:15 PM
Sometimes being smart does the trick...and who knows how hard she has practiced in he last couple of months? I don´t think reading too much into the Weingartner-match is a good idea. Martina´s probably the most talented player ever and I am sure she will figure out how to play the hard-hitters. Maybe she won´t set any new records again but she will be a threat, that´s for sure.

creep
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:17 PM
Sometimes being smart does the trick...and who knows how hard she has practiced in he last couple of months? I don´t think reading too much into the Weingartner-match is a good idea. Martina´s probably the most talented player ever and I am sure she will figure out how to play the hard-hitters. Maybe she won´t set any new records again but she will be a threat, that´s for sure.

I must try that sometime.

crazyroberto6767
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:17 PM
Martina needs to get into the best shape of her life (or at least 2001 Australian Open shape). Then she can be very effective. If she adds a little pop to her serve, those hard hitters will be running side to side from the very beginning. And with the exception of very few players, most players on tour aren't as effective on the run. Hingis was rusty as hell in that Weingarter match anyways. She'll be top-20 if she really focuses on tennis.

Sally Struthers
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:19 PM
I find the line of thought that says Hingis couldn't deal with the power players to be ridiculous! She did just fine against them. Her problem was that she just coudln't get over the mental hurdle of winning another big one after the FO incident.

patricktav2003
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:20 PM
hey! this is the same power then 3 years ago! but much more player use it! but Martina against none top 10 player can have a chance to win certainly!!!!
she have her own game so!!! like Martina Navratilova winning some matchs against top 100 player at 46-47 in singles! why this Martina couldn t do it!?!?

maybe the only difference is the Grand Slam where her chances arent there! but I still believe when the williams and the Belgians were out in 2004! if Hingis was there she wil have won at least Rolland-Garros!! im shure of it , she can do semis! and that is not bad at all!!!
maybe one grand slam! (Ao or Ro) still in her!!!:):)

creep
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:21 PM
I find the line of thought that says Hingis couldn't deal with the power players to be ridiculous! She did just fine against them. Her problem was that she just coudln't get over the mental hurdle of winning another big one after the FO incident.

WTF! Am I in the Twilight Zone? I'm now agreeing with Sally on tennis. ;) :)

SvetaPleaseWin.
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:24 PM
i hope hingis does well. i became a fan of tennis in 2003 so i never got to see her play.

but i doubt she will achieve as much as she has done in the past-if she cant beat weingartner does she really think she can reach the top again?

Stamp Paid
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:30 PM
If shes beefed up her serve, then she should be fine.
If not, the return will be a waste of time.

Andrew..
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:31 PM
I find the line of thought that says Hingis couldn't deal with the power players to be ridiculous! She did just fine against them. Her problem was that she just coudln't get over the mental hurdle of winning another big one after the FO incident.
Exactly.

Has the tour really evolved so much since 2002, when Marti was one point away from the Australian Open title, against one of the biggest hitters of the game? I don't think so.

Sally Struthers
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:34 PM
Exactly.

Has the tour really evolved so much since 2002, when Marti was one point away from the Australian Open title, against one of the biggest hitters of the game? I don't think so.

if anything it has regressed :o

borisy
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:34 PM
Well Patty is in top 10 and she's not exactly a hard hitter.

dinhd82
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:36 PM
Martina with a serve like Justine's, watch out all those inconsistent big hitters!!!

K.U.C.W-R.V
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:37 PM
In terms of top 5, I think you may be right, but I certainly think with a few matches under her belt Martina can definitely compete with top 20 players.

I'm just happy shes back & it will be great to see her back on court at a GS.

GoDominique
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:37 PM
Exactly.

Has the tour really evolved so much since 2002, when Marti was one point away from the Australian Open title, against one of the biggest hitters of the game? I don't think so.
Martina was awful in 2002. If she returns in that form, uh-oh.

Spunky83
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:39 PM
Well Patty is in top 10 and she's not exactly a hard hitter.

And let´s not forget Nastya, another top-player who apparently according to some people here has no game at all but still manages to win against those hardcore-hitters. How come?!?

Tennis is not only about how fast and hard your shots are;)

Andrew..
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:40 PM
Martina was awful in 2002. If she returns in that form, uh-oh.
After the Australian Open, she wasn't very good. Her comeback in the summer was horrible.

But her form for the first set and a half of the Australian Open final would put her in today's top ten, easily.

Andrew..
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:41 PM
Martina with a serve like Justine's, watch out all those inconsistent big hitters!!!
She doesn't have that though. In her WTT matches, her first serve was decent, but her second serve was fluff.

TeamUSA#1
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:42 PM
I just don't think she can handle the power of today's game. Everyone just hits it so hard and she just won't manage. Her serve has to improve. Even the pathetic Weingartner of 2005 beat her relatively easily after the first set. It so not gonna happen. I know the fact evryone has injuries is inspiring her but, there are just too many people out there who can give her a good thrashing. I honestly think in 18months this comeback will be all but over. Sorry to be blunt but it's the truth.


:fiery: HOW HAS THE GAME MOVED ON????? I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYING THIS. IF ANYTHING DUE TO THE INJURES TO THE TOP PLAYERS, THE GAME HAS REGRESSED. WATCH MATCHES FROM 2001-2002 AND THIS PAST YEAR AND THE QUALITY OF PLAY WAS BETTER BACK THEN. MARTINA FACED THIS FIREPOWER BEFORE AND MANAGED JUST FINE.

I AGREE SHE WILL HAVE TO IMPROVE HER SERVE, IF SHE WANTS TO CONTEND FOR SLAMS, BUT BEYOND THAT, IF SHE IS PHYSICALLY FIT, SHE WILL BE JUST FINE. SHE HAD CRAPPY WENGARTNER ON THE ROPES UNTIL SHE RAN OUT OF GAS DUE TO LACK OF CONDITIONING, NOT FIREPOWER. WITH PROPER CONDITIONING AND A SERVE COACH, SHE COULD WIN SLAMS AGAIN............

_Cell-chuk
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:42 PM
I think she can be top 10 again but she can't beat the likes of Serena, Justine, Maria, Dementiva and Clijsters on regular basis.

F-R-E-A-K
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Martina :hearts:

thelittlestelf
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:44 PM
After the Australian Open, she wasn't very good. Her comeback in the summer was horrible.

But her form for the first set and a half of the Australian Open final would put her in today's top ten, easily.Her form at the '02 AO would win her some slams too. She played phenomenal at that tournament.

I'm not expecting that she'll come back in full swing right away, but give her some time and I really think she could be a big threat once again. Her comeback should not be taken lightly considering how talented she is.

TeamUSA#1
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:44 PM
if anything it has regressed :o
Agreed.... A fully healthy Hingis, Capriati, and Seles could do some serious damage on the WTA next year given the current state of injures and level of play....

Andy.
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:48 PM
I dont think so the game has not improved since 2002 it is pretty much the same and Martina was doing fine then she is not that weak off the ground she could easily compete in that department the serve will need a little improvement but this is a hige boost for the tour. Not every top player is a power hitter eg Amelie, Patty and Nadia even justine and kim arent power players

Steve-o
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:51 PM
The game has moved but Martina is a pretty exceptional talent :)

Go martina :bounce:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:54 PM
The Lindsay is the only player still playing at the level she was when she was beating Hingis. Venus, Jen, Serena, Hantuchova etc; have all gone down in their level of play. I think Hingis realizes this and wants some revenge :devil:

lukehingis
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:56 PM
Martina probably will have one thing she didn't have late in her career... desire... she seemed pretty burnt out during her slump in 2001 till her retirement, barring AO 01 and 02...

It's all about fitness after that. If she can get really fit, she could contend for the big titles like she did in her peak. There's definitely room for her in the present field of hard hitters.

I think all she needs to do is to beef up her 2nd serve and make use of her volleys, something almost every tennis expert feels she should do...

Blonde_Ambition7
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:57 PM
The Lindsay is the only player still playing at the level she was when she was beating Hingis. Venus, Jen, Serena, Hantuchova etc; have all gone down in their level of play. I think Hingis realizes this and wants some revenge :devil:

good point

Tennace
Nov 29th, 2005, 11:00 PM
During WTT in the summer, she crushed some of the players who hit the ball pretty hard. She will be fine but no one knows how high her ranking will go.

Shonami Slam
Nov 29th, 2005, 11:00 PM
who cares about top5/10/20/100
players should be able to play whenever they want to, if they can be competetive.
for all i care she and navratilova can start playing 25Ks and promote the ITF tour.
she'll be playing in the new events and checking out countries she never got to see, she'll be giving out wonderflu speeched again and adding excitment to any tourny she enters in that "can she do it?" question mark that we all asked againe marlene wiengartner.
she still has top500 (if not way more) game from her WTT "training" - if she starts practicing, she can get into the top100 again and enlighted lower tiers with her grace and smiles.
she'll be helping out the swiss fed-cup team that always seems to lack that extra push, she'll be givin interviews - she was so much fun at her days, i'm just glad she's giving it another shot.
i feel bad for any pre-30 retirement. of course not evrybody is like Farina-Elia who can come up with her best years AFTER 30, but if Martinez is still playing, it's a bit odd that martina isn't.
she'll be adding spice to the doubles tour - she'll just become a great prospect again - and that's what your'e looking for in the tour.
i wish her the best of luck, and honestly don't care if she never enters top20 again.

ToeTag
Nov 29th, 2005, 11:22 PM
I just don't think she can handle the power of today's game. LOL.
Alot these chick-a-dees may slap the ball around, BUT, thats all they can do!!
Half the time, the power merchants, couldn't hit the side of a barn. With a few exceptions: accuracy, shotmaking, and tactics is foriegn language to these broads ...especially the annoying teen queens. UGH.

hablo
Nov 29th, 2005, 11:26 PM
Exactly.

Has the tour really evolved so much since 2002, when Marti was one point away from the Australian Open title, against one of the biggest hitters of the game? I don't think so.
:worship:

Martian Jeza
Nov 29th, 2005, 11:27 PM
The 2 things I want for her : To stay healthy and having fun on the courts ! Results will follow with the time ! She has to be patient and going step by step...

Blonde_Ambition7
Nov 29th, 2005, 11:29 PM
i wonder what the players think about it

JulesVerne
Nov 29th, 2005, 11:36 PM
There is no evidence to say the standard has improved since 2002. In fact it is probably less competative now with injuries rampant than around 1999.

Robbie.
Nov 29th, 2005, 11:37 PM
Exactly.

Has the tour really evolved so much since 2002, when Marti was one point away from the Australian Open title, against one of the biggest hitters of the game? I don't think so.

As usual, spot on.

The notion that Hingis couldn't handle power is one of the biggest fallacies to have been invented ex post facto since her retirement. And to say that the game has moved on when we have Davenport, Mauresmo and Pierce taking up 3 of the 5 spots in the top 5 is a joke.

DragonFlame
Nov 29th, 2005, 11:42 PM
whaha hingis hasn't even play a match yet and people see her as a threat already :lol: wonder how much time it will take for the hingistrolls to get back in full gear :p

Sabazius
Nov 29th, 2005, 11:46 PM
I just don't think she can handle the power of today's game. Everyone just hits it so hard and she just won't manage. Her serve has to improve. Even the pathetic Weingartner of 2005 beat her relatively easily after the first set. It so not gonna happen. I know the fact evryone has injuries is inspiring her but, there are just too many people out there who can give her a good thrashing. I honestly think in 18months this comeback will be all but over. Sorry to be blunt but it's the truth.
Not everyone hits hard and it's a general misconception that everyone does it. True, most hits hard but there are the few jewels among the rough stones who, quite oppositely don't hit hard balls. Sorry to be blunt as well but if she had done some homework of hers, working her arse off to get in shape for next year's tour, playing the way she used to with some added weapons, i don't see why won't she do well then. Probably a few dents here and there, but it shouldn't be of any harm to her tennis-wise. It's still too early to say that this hoo ha would be over in 18 months. We'll see when the time comes, oracle :)

Volcana
Nov 30th, 2005, 01:17 AM
I just don't think she can handle the power of today's game. Everyone just hits it so hard and she just won't manage.The number of players who hit hard has actually not increased much since 2002.

2002 Season-ending top ten
1. Serena Williams
2. Venus Williams
3. Jennifer Capriati
4. Kim Clijsters
5. Justine Henin
6. Amelie Mauresmo
7. Monica Seles
8. Daniela Hantuchova
9. Jelena Dokic
10. Martina Hingis

2005
1 DAVENPORT, LINDSAY USA
2 CLIJSTERS, KIM BEL
3 MAURESMO, AMELIE FRA
4 SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS
5 PIERCE, MARY FRA
6 HENIN-HARDENNE, JUSTINE BEL
7 SCHNYDER, PATTY SUI
8 DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS
9 PETROVA, NADIA RUS
10 WILLIAMS, VENUS USA

The 2002 Mauresmo hit harder than the 2005 version.
And Schnyder isn't a hard hitter at all.

If she can pick up her serve, there's no reason Hingis can't do as well as Schnyder did this year.

Sir Stefwhit
Nov 30th, 2005, 01:27 AM
I think it’s a bit narrow minded to simply dismiss Hingis entirely as a “has-been”.

The game has moved on, there’s no way she can win another big one, it’s a different game today.

All these things were said about Steffi when she made her return back to the tour in late 98 before she went on to win Roland Garros and play in the finals of Wimbledon.

All these things were also said of Venus, up until she proved everyone wrong and won Wimbledon for the third time.

Who would have guessed Pierce would be back at the very top of the game and that Lindsay would’ve ended the last two years as the number one player in the world. Two years ago there was actually a poll about Lindsay’s chances of getting back to number one and MOST people thought there was no way in hell.

I’m not saying that great things will necessarily happen for Hingis, truth be told, it’s going to be a hard task to climb back to the top 20. Even though the odds aren’t great it’s a bit foolish to dismiss her altogether.

I’m a believer in Hingis’ talent, and I for one couldn’t be more thrilled to have her back on tour. She was far too young to call it quits and she’s got enough talent to makes things interesting. And even if she doesn’t have a successful comeback I applaud her for having the balls to give a shoot. I always thought Hingis was too scared to ever try to make a comeback and she’s now silenced me. I’ve always enjoyed rooting against Hingis, she was by far my favorite villain. I have since gained an appreciation for Hingis, now I’ll be rooting for her to make a successful comeback- so I can go back to rooting against her.

This is GREAT news for tennis! And even if the game has really 'moved on', Hingis fans haven't. They will get another chance to see their favorite in action. I'm sure along the way, there will be some great wins that will make her return worth while.

Infiniti2001
Nov 30th, 2005, 01:49 AM
Does that mean her footsies are better?? :shrug:

Rollo
Nov 30th, 2005, 02:31 AM
I find the line of thought that says Hingis couldn't deal with the power players to be ridiculous! She did just fine against them. Her problem was that she just coudln't get over the mental hurdle of winning another big one after the FO incident.

Bingo. For someone who couldn't handle the "big hitters" she sure did better than anyone since the 1990's not named Serena Williams.

Besides her serve, I'm hoping the Chuckster will take more chances and open up on her grounstrokes-especially her backhand down the line-a real weapon in her early days.

Hopefully she's hungry to win. Just imagine some more Venus-Hingis classics!

ys
Nov 30th, 2005, 02:39 AM
I just don't think she can handle the power of today's game. Everyone just hits it so hard and she just won't manage. Her serve has to improve. Even the pathetic Weingartner of 2005 beat her relatively easily after the first set. It so not gonna happen. I know the fact evryone has injuries is inspiring her but, there are just too many people out there who can give her a good thrashing. I honestly think in 18months this comeback will be all but over. Sorry to be blunt but it's the truth.

I just don't think she can handle the speed of today's game. Everyone just hits it so hard, runs so fast and she just won't manage. Her footspeed has to improve. Even the pathetic Randriantefy and Jidkova of end of 2004 and equally pathetic Cohen-Aloro of 2005 beat her relatively easily . It so not gonna happen. I know the fact evryone has injuries is inspiring her but, there are just too many people out there who can give her a good thrashing. I honestly think in 18 months this comeback will be all but over and she will retire. Sorry to be blunt but it's the truth.

It is January 2005 now and that's Mary Pierce we are talking about..

Tati & Dani
Nov 30th, 2005, 02:44 AM
The Lindsay is the only player still playing at the level she was when she was beating Hingis. Venus, Jen, Serena, Hantuchova etc; have all gone down in their level of play. I think Hingis realizes this and wants some revenge :devil:

i will bet money on it that Hinges will never beat a Williams Sister again, and she will lose again from the 'Real Slovakian'

vwfan
Nov 30th, 2005, 02:51 AM
well, Hingis couldn't compete not just because she was not a power hitter, but because she had a mostly defensive game plan. Venus and Serena go on the offensive and make something happen. Now Kim has taken defensive hitting to a whole new level, but the premium will remain on those who are making things happen and not on those waiting on the baseline in defense. So she not only needs power, she needs a tactical changes and of course a serve that won't get walloped for a winner by any current top 20 player today.

Ceecor
Nov 30th, 2005, 03:05 AM
i thought she had a foot injury?

Miranda
Nov 30th, 2005, 03:06 AM
i think hingis needs some encouragement, why to start a thread to discourage her :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

AlexB
Nov 30th, 2005, 03:12 AM
well, Hingis couldn't compete not just because she was not a power hitter, but because she had a mostly defensive game plan. Venus and Serena go on the offensive and make something happen. Now Kim has taken defensive hitting to a whole new level, but the premium will remain on those who are making things happen and not on those waiting on the baseline in defense. So she not only needs power, she needs a tactical changes and of course a serve that won't get walloped for a winner by any current top 20 player today.

i totally agree with this breakdown...clijsters goes from d to offence in a blink of an eye..and there is no way hingis has clijsters like defense right now

Kunal
Nov 30th, 2005, 03:37 AM
i am just happy to see her back.
she will find it tough to begin with....but in time she should be in good stead

Sir Stefwhit
Nov 30th, 2005, 04:22 AM
All the naysayers are turning me into something I never thought possible... a Hingis surporter.

Go Hingis and prove everybody wrong... WOW!!!! I can't believe I said that, look what all you non-believers have done.

I feel dirty, I gotta go watch the 99 RG final, that will restore me back to my normal self.

Stamp Paid
Nov 30th, 2005, 04:27 AM
All the naysayers are turning me into something I never thought possible... a Hingis surporter.

Go Hingis and prove everybody wrong... WOW!!!! I can't believe I said that, look what all you non-believers have done.

I feel dirty, I gotta go watch the 99 RG final, that will restore me back to my normal self.

:lol::lol:

fammmmedspin
Nov 30th, 2005, 04:27 AM
I just don't think she can handle the power of today's game. Everyone just hits it so hard and she just won't manage. Her serve has to improve. Even the pathetic Weingartner of 2005 beat her relatively easily after the first set. It so not gonna happen. I know the fact evryone has injuries is inspiring her but, there are just too many people out there who can give her a good thrashing. I honestly think in 18months this comeback will be all but over. Sorry to be blunt but it's the truth.

What on earth do you think tennis was like in 1999-2002? Lindsay was there and then she could win Slams. Hingis could beat her. Mary was playing as well in 2000 (or 1994) as she is now and she made 2 GS finals in 2005. Look at that H2H. Momo actually made a GS final then and hasn't seen one since. Dementieva was performing at about the same level then too . Jen was winning GS against Hingis in close matches and she was still beating, or getting near to beating, the best in 2004. Serena and Venus were clearly fitter and had way better results. Justine had no virus. The only one who is better is Kim and she had 3 very odd off days at key stages of 2 GS and the YEC in 2005 and may retire before Hingis if she is serious about it. Its true there are more big hitters in the lower ranks of the tour (although their UE counts aand ability to hit really silly shots are big too) but there is no reason to believe that Hingis can't cope with big hitters in the same way that the rest of the tour has - if her feet are good enough to get her there. Dementieva and Myskina show how far you can get without an enormous serve. Myskina, Schiavone and Schnyder show that smart tennis still works. Given the current inconsistency of all the top 10,frankly anything could happen.

Andy.
Nov 30th, 2005, 04:29 AM
What on earth do you think tennis was like in 1999-2002? Lindsay was there and then she could win Slams. Hingis could beat her. Mary was playing as well in 2000 (or 1994) as she is now and she made 2 GS finals in 2005. Look at that H2H. Momo actually made a GS final then and hasn't seen one since. Dementieva was performing at about the same level then too . Jen was winning GS against Hingis in close matches and she was still beating, or getting near to beating, the best in 2004. Serena and Venus were clearly fitter and had way better results. Justine had no virus. The only one who is better is Kim and she had 3 very odd off days at key stages of 2 GS and the YEC in 2005 and may retire before Hingis if she is seriouds about it. Its true there are more big hitters in the lower ranks of the tour (although their UE counts aand ability to hit illy shots re big too) but there is no reason to believe that Hingis can't cope with big hitters in the same way that the rest of the tour has if her feet are good enough to get her there. Dementieva and Myskina show how far you can get without an enormous serve. Myskina, Schiavone and Schnyder show that smart tennis still works. Given the current inconsistency of all the top 10,frankly anything could happen.

Very well said

Jeff
Nov 30th, 2005, 04:54 AM
And let´s not forget Nastya, another top-player who apparently according to some people here has no game at all but still manages to win against those hardcore-hitters. How come?!?

Tennis is not only about how fast and hard your shots are;)

Exactly True. Myskina is a prime example of why Hingis can make a comeback.

Volcana
Nov 30th, 2005, 04:56 AM
i thought she had a foot injury?Surgery. Several.

leeber
Nov 30th, 2005, 04:58 AM
i hope she remains the tatician ppl have told me she was famed for.. never really saw her play before so yeah!! :bounce:

dinhd82
Nov 30th, 2005, 05:27 AM
Sorry The Game, but Hingis is back!!

tennisjunky
Nov 30th, 2005, 06:38 AM
I think it’s a bit narrow minded to simply dismiss Hingis entirely as a “has-been”.

The game has moved on, there’s no way she can win another big one, it’s a different game today.

All these things were said about Steffi when she made her return back to the tour in late 98 before she went on to win Roland Garros and play in the finals of Wimbledon.

All these things were also said of Venus, up until she proved everyone wrong and won Wimbledon for the third time.

Who would have guessed Pierce would be back at the very top of the game and that Lindsay would’ve ended the last two years as the number one player in the world. Two years ago there was actually a poll about Lindsay’s chances of getting back to number one and MOST people thought there was no way in hell.

I’m not saying that great things will necessarily happen for Hingis, truth be told, it’s going to be a hard task to climb back to the top 20. Even though the odds aren’t great it’s a bit foolish to dismiss her altogether.

I’m a believer in Hingis’ talent, and I for one couldn’t be more thrilled to have her back on tour. She was far too young to call it quits and she’s got enough talent to makes things interesting. And even if she doesn’t have a successful comeback I applaud her for having the balls to give a shoot. I always thought Hingis was too scared to ever try to make a comeback and she’s now silenced me. I’ve always enjoyed rooting against Hingis, she was by far my favorite villain. I have since gained an appreciation for Hingis, now I’ll be rooting for her to make a successful comeback- so I can go back to rooting against her.

This is GREAT news for tennis! And even if the game has really 'moved on', Hingis fans haven't. They will get another chance to see their favorite in action. I'm sure along the way, there will be some great wins that will make her return worth while.
good post. you bring up good points, but you have to keep in mind that people still have doubts about serena and maria winning more slams. if people can seriously question the two best players, its only right to have doubts about a player who has been out for years. players like maria put fear into other players, players like hingis, well let's just say 'Dorothy isn't in Kansas anymore'.

Hingiswinsthis
Nov 30th, 2005, 07:45 AM
How DARE Lindsay Davenport earn almost $4 million dollars more than Martina in the all-time list. Like Navratilova, Hingis wants this record.....LOL :D

LefandePatty
Nov 30th, 2005, 07:46 AM
Well Patty is in top 10 and she's not exactly a hard hitter.

Exactly :yeah:
Patty and Marti have an awesome touch, both can be(stay) in the top-10 :worship:

Santorofan
Nov 30th, 2005, 08:12 AM
If the "game has moved on" so much, how did Martina happen to win like 20 out of 21 sets (and the last 20 in a row) in WTT singles this past season? Yes, I realize that was SETS, not matches, and that her conditioning will be far more tested in full-on tournaments, but I do think it does say something very positive about the state of her game in many respects, even if it was not against the most elite WTA players. All I can predict for certain is that her potential comeback certainly makes for an interesting story and possibly a more intriguing 2006 WTA tour.

PS: Does anyone doubt that at the very least, she can def win some more slam dubs titles with multiple partners? Maybe even with Anna??

CooCooCachoo
Nov 30th, 2005, 09:33 AM
I just don't think she can handle the power of today's game. Everyone just hits it so hard and she just won't manage. Her serve has to improve. Even the pathetic Weingartner of 2005 beat her relatively easily after the first set. It so not gonna happen. I know the fact evryone has injuries is inspiring her but, there are just too many people out there who can give her a good thrashing. I honestly think in 18months this comeback will be all but over. Sorry to be blunt but it's the truth.

As a Hingis fan, I don't want to believe this, but I had already given it some thought myself and I am afraid I was drawing the same conclusions. However, I believe she can get back to the Top 100. Top 20? I doubt it.

KimC&MariaSNo1's
Nov 30th, 2005, 10:11 AM
she will be back in top 10m if she plays all year long and you can quote me on that i believe she will be back where she belongs within 6 months

Duramont
Nov 30th, 2005, 10:14 AM
I am little bit unsure if Martina Hingis can have a great comeback! :scared:

First of all she lost to Marlene Weingärtner last year and the tour has levelled up alot. :sad:

So many comebacks have failed (or been bad) these last months: Sandrine Testud (former Top 20 player) retired after a short comeback and many early exits, Anne Kremer (former top 30 player with high ranking 18) moved closely inside top 100 last year and lost many positions this year, Tatiana Panova (former top 30 player) had some decent results last year and ended around WTA 60 but lost several positions this year, Iroda Tulyaganova (high ranking 18) always failed at her come back attempts, ...

I WISH her a great return on the tour and hope that the Hingis sun can shine again. She can count on my support! :D

Good luck Martina! The tour needs you! :kiss:

vancouverite
Nov 30th, 2005, 10:25 AM
Shouldn't really be a problem for someone of her talent and experience. She does need to seriously beef up the serve, but if she's in tip-top shape, she'll cope with almost whatever is thrown at her.

But she needs to be patient and not panic if she's blown away the first time she plays one of the 'big babes' (Clijsters, Davenport, the Williams sisters, et al)! Her court craft and speed have to be humming, but she certainly is capable of doing it!

selestribe
Nov 30th, 2005, 12:04 PM
SHE HAD CRAPPY WENGARTNER ON THE ROPES UNTIL SHE RAN OUT OF GAS DUE TO LACK OF CONDITIONING, NOT FIREPOWER.

That's totally wrong. Weingartner made dozens of errors during the 1st set because she was nervous to play Hingis and Hingis didn't have much to do ... she was even surprise it was that easy.
In the beginning of the 2nd set, a smash hit by Hingis threw the ball on the score board and all the letters of the German's name fell on the ground ... when the ballboy put the letters back on the board, he made a mistake and the crowd was laughing for good.
Weingartner became furious about the incident, and to be so ridiculous. She suddenly hit much harder, with consistency and Hingis was totally overpowered and knocked out with winners. She couldn't do anything.
So, that's how the match really was.

That's great she's able to come back and play tennis again, but it's difficult to expect a successful return.

vutt
Nov 30th, 2005, 12:24 PM
I wonder why noone have mentioned possibility that maybe her play have moved on to. If players so tiny like JuJu can compete why not to assume that she have been busy in gym. With her superior thinking compared to Henin she may achieve even bigger things. ;)

Steffica Greles
Nov 30th, 2005, 02:11 PM
I don't think Hingis will be successful either...or not to the level that she hopes.

But it's nothing at all to do with her "lack of power" or "powder puff serve" or "the game being more powerful now".

Hingis made a huge mistake by returning from surgery so quickly in 2002. She should have taken Lindsay's example, taken as long as she needed and gradually played her way back to her best form. It took Davenport 2 years to reach the level she had played at in 2001. By coming back so soon Hingis exacerbated her injuries and, unable to compete because she wasn't fully recovered, she diminished her self-confidence.

But the game has regressed since 2002. Some say the game has gone downhill since around 1999...I'd certainly say that since 2002/2003, women's tennis is certainly no more powerful, with far less variety and intensity. On a much more regular basis, players seem to just give up and spray the ball all over the place these days as soon as they're a set down.

If she had stuck around and bided her time, she would have seen the Williams sisters wane, as they have done over the last 3 years. In my opinion Hingis of early 2002 would have been usually too good for Henin and Clijsters, Mauresmo, Sharapova and she would have gained the odd win over Davenport as well. She could have won the 2003 French Open, the 2003 U.S Open, the 2004 Australian Open, and several others. It's almost like the question mark over Seles during her absence.

Hingis won't be successful because of the length of time she has been away. I doubt she'll be as quick or as strong, both of which were areas where she struggled in her peak years. At 25 she's still young, but having been this long away from the tour, I doubt her body will be as flexible as it once was. But let's be clear, it's nothing to do with the game -- Hingis of 4 or 5 years ago would dominate in its present state.

JulesVerne
Nov 30th, 2005, 02:21 PM
i totally agree with this breakdown...clijsters goes from d to offence in a blink of an eye..and there is no way hingis has clijsters like defense right now

Hingis had better volleys than any of her contempories (route of her doubles success). She often took the ball early to use the power of her opponents shots, moving them around and finishing the point at the net. Her strategy combined attack and defense and was the most tactically astute of her era. Her major weaknesses were her serve and her lack of court speed. Hingis was a more attacking player than Clijsters.

Greenout
Nov 30th, 2005, 02:26 PM
I think this is exciting news; but people are making too big of a deal about her serve, or comparing her to the Belgians.

Does anybody else remember her last big final- Indian Wells 2002? She lost to Daniela H because all Hingis did was try to keep the ball in play, and wait for mistakes.

You can say alot of comparisons about the Belgians, and how she was better than they were in 2000- 2002.

But, the fact remains that

1) The Belgians can return a Nicole V serve, and hit just as hard back.

2) Hingis was running pretty quick back in 2002 (well for her lazy self, yes) but the Belgians were still quicker around court.

3) Martina generally keeps the ball in play longer than the current top 16. I'm not too sure if she's mentally changed from that baseline play. If you look at the style of play by Myskina and Patty (both whom are similar to the Hingis style of chess moves ) they have been blown off court by alot of the top 10 players.



Unless Martina has changed her stubborn ways, not wait for mistakes from opponents, and truly stronger in the upper body area to hold on for those big bombs from the younger players whom all hit hard. I'm not thinking grand slams wins in 2006. There's a common mistake when people who don't remember watching her play to call Hingis a defensive player. She had alot of offensive all court play in the early years, but as the tour started to hit harder, she got mentally lazy. The chessboard tennis play was gone; just kept on waiting for all the UE's from opponents. In the later year, the all court play seemed to have vanished, and she tried to do more running, and keeping the ball in play- more defense.

Mark for Martina
Nov 30th, 2005, 02:45 PM
Hingis has been a model of consistency... and it has been the key in her career, I think... It is now a question of 'can her consistent delivery get her to the seond week of grand slams'... If it does, then I think we should see her back in the top 20 or even top 10 by year end with a full schedule... With injuries all around the tour, nobody is consistently picking up the big points... Mary & Lindsay are the only ones kind of consistent today... and these are Martina's contemporaries... she knows their game very well should they meet at the business end of tournaments...

I hope this is one hungry Martina... because she will definitely get served... literally... :)

TeamUSA#1
Nov 30th, 2005, 02:48 PM
That's totally wrong. Weingartner made dozens of errors during the 1st set because she was nervous to play Hingis and Hingis didn't have much to do ... she was even surprise it was that easy.
In the beginning of the 2nd set, a smash hit by Hingis threw the ball on the score board and all the letters of the German's name fell on the ground ... when the ballboy put the letters back on the board, he made a mistake and the crowd was laughing for good.
Weingartner became furious about the incident, and to be so ridiculous. She suddenly hit much harder, with consistency and Hingis was totally overpowered and knocked out with winners. She couldn't do anything.
So, that's how the match really was.

That's great she's able to come back and play tennis again, but it's difficult to expect a successful return.


What a slanted point of view of that match....

the reality is Marlene played really no different in the 2nd and 3rd set, Hingis was just a step slower due to lack of conditioning... shots she was easily getting back in the 1st set were now winners for Marlene. Hingis flat out said after the match that she was not in good enough shape to keep up the level of play she had in the 1st set, not that Marlene suddenly mutated and became Steffi Graf hitting winners all over the place :lol: With proper training, Hingis would have continued her 1st set performance and dusted her 6-1, 6-1. With Hingis training now, she will likely make a strong impression on the tour fairly quickly....

Greenout
Nov 30th, 2005, 02:52 PM
What a slanted point of view of that match....

the reality is Marlene played really no different in the 2nd and 3rd set, Hingis was just a step slower due to lack of conditioning... shots she was easily getting back in the 1st set were now winners for Marlene. Hingis flat out said after the match that she was not in good enough shape to keep up the level of play she had in the 1st set, not that Marlene suddenly mutated and became Steffi Graf hitting winners all over the place :lol: With proper training, Hingis would have continued her 1st set performance and dusted her 6-1, 6-1. With Hingis training now, she will likely make a strong impression on the tour fairly quickly....


She can run quicker, if there was real work done. But, what I'm really wondering is about how she plans to play these matches. Those last matches in 2002 were really tepid. Just stood on the baseline waiting for UE's; she hardly went forward or for offensive shots.

For me it's the mental approach. When Melanie stopped being her coach, all the chessboard tennis stuff went out the window.

Anybody know who's Hingis working with for coaching now?

TeamUSA#1
Nov 30th, 2005, 02:54 PM
She can run quicker, if there was real work done. But, what I'm really wondering is about how she plans to play these matches. Those last matches in 2002 were really tepid. Just stood on the baseline waiting for UE's; she hardly went forward or for offensive shots.

For me it's the mental approach. When Melanie stopped being her coach, all the chessboard tennis stuff went out the window.

Anybody know who's Hingis working with for coaching now?


The press releases yesterday said she has been in Switzerland training with Melanie..... probably will be her coach. I dont think Hingis is coming back without her mother....

manu
Nov 30th, 2005, 04:20 PM
I REALLY hope Martina can make a successful comeback! It'll require a LOT of work (esp. getting back in top shape) but if she could make it happen, it would be a PHENOMENAL boost to women's tennis, the best thing to have happened in years IMO! :) And, what's more, if Martina would be able to get back to her old level, I think that would be a motivation for the other top players, especially for her 'older' rivals like Venus, Lindsay, Jennifer, Serena, etc. Go Martina!! :D

But let's not get all too excited... After all, she hasn't announced her plans in detail, and we'll have to wait and see what happens if she would really play official matches again.

jrm
Nov 30th, 2005, 05:56 PM
She will regeret this move - she isn't the one who likes to lose!

tennisjay
Nov 30th, 2005, 06:21 PM
If Dementieva can be in the top ten with her serve, there's no reason why Hingis can't be at least top 20.


But Dementieva has a power game and Martina doesn’t so I really can’t see Martina H winning any Slams when she return.

pla
Nov 30th, 2005, 06:29 PM
i hope hingis does well. i became a fan of tennis in 2003 so i never got to see her play.

but i doubt she will achieve as much as she has done in the past-if she cant beat weingartner does she really think she can reach the top again?

OMG, you missed so much. Martina's THE pure tennis pleasure to watch. It's just great. And I hope she does return without injury problems to the tour. It will be a great day for the tennis :)

sioul
Nov 30th, 2005, 06:37 PM
I think this is exciting news; but people are making too big of a deal about her serve, or comparing her to the Belgians.

Does anybody else remember her last big final- Indian Wells 2002? She lost to Daniela H because all Hingis did was try to keep the ball in play, and wait for mistakes.

You can say alot of comparisons about the Belgians, and how she was better than they were in 2000- 2002.

But, the fact remains that

1) The Belgians can return a Nicole V serve, and hit just as hard back.

2) Hingis was running pretty quick back in 2002 (well for her lazy self, yes) but the Belgians were still quicker around court.

3) Martina generally keeps the ball in play longer than the current top 16. I'm not too sure if she's mentally changed from that baseline play. If you look at the style of play by Myskina and Patty (both whom are similar to the Hingis style of chess moves ) they have been blown off court by alot of the top 10 players.



Unless Martina has changed her stubborn ways, not wait for mistakes from opponents, and truly stronger in the upper body area to hold on for those big bombs from the younger players whom all hit hard. I'm not thinking grand slams wins in 2006. There's a common mistake when people who don't remember watching her play to call Hingis a defensive player. She had alot of offensive all court play in the early years, but as the tour started to hit harder, she got mentally lazy. The chessboard tennis play was gone; just kept on waiting for all the UE's from opponents. In the later year, the all court play seemed to have vanished, and she tried to do more running, and keeping the ball in play- more defense.

i agree...

the most important part of for hingis to be successful is to work her brain up to thinking the way it did in 97 98 99 00 01....

i've noticed the last few matches hingis lost in 2002...she would hit everything in the middle, with not that much pace either...even if she got a shot where she could attack.

the hingis of 99 or 00 would bang those mid court balls she gets inside out, both on the forehand or backhand and move in. thats what almost won her those 2 ao finals in 01 and 02. did u see that first set against capriati in 2002???

jennifer was hitting the ball just as hard if not harder then any of these girls today but hingis got them early and changed direction beautifullly..she simply outplayed capriati before the second set tie break.

whats most important for hingis is her fitness, and for her to start thinking that way again. no more of this waiting for UE shit.

the hingis of 2001 or 2000 would have no problem being in the top 10 or even top 5 of todays game.

guyinsf
Nov 30th, 2005, 07:03 PM
I think Hingis retired because she realized that she couldn't handle the ever-changing pace of the game, not because she was injured. She was very young and bratty and was so used to being no. 1 and she had the type of personality that couldn't deal with not being the best, so when her game was standing deal the the Williams sisters and others started to rise and hitting harder, she retired to avoid being dominated. The injuries thing was just a cover up. I still believe that now.

TeamUSA#1
Nov 30th, 2005, 09:13 PM
So she had multiple surgeries on her ankles and feet to cover up her fear of losing??? Listen to how ridiculous that sounds......

If anything, she stopped playing due to her law suit with her shoe maker and because of burn out....

AND INJURY

Lemonskin.
Nov 30th, 2005, 09:21 PM
I wanna see a Sharapova/Hingis slam final with Masha winning :D

Lemonskin.
Nov 30th, 2005, 09:23 PM
the hingis of 99 or 00 would bang those mid court balls she gets inside out, both on the forehand or backhand and move in. thats what almost won her those 2 ao finals in 01 and 02. did u see that first set against capriati in 2002???
I think the key word is ALMOST won.

thelittlestelf
Nov 30th, 2005, 09:25 PM
I am little bit unsure if Martina Hingis can have a great comeback! :scared:

First of all she lost to Marlene Weingärtner last year and the tour has levelled up alot. :sad:

So many comebacks have failed (or been bad) these last months: Sandrine Testud (former Top 20 player) retired after a short comeback and many early exits, Anne Kremer (former top 30 player with high ranking 18) moved closely inside top 100 last year and lost many positions this year, Tatiana Panova (former top 30 player) had some decent results last year and ended around WTA 60 but lost several positions this year, Iroda Tulyaganova (high ranking 18) always failed at her come back attempts, ...

I WISH her a great return on the tour and hope that the Hingis sun can shine again. She can count on my support! :D

Good luck Martina! The tour needs you! :kiss:I don't really think we can compare the likes of Hingis to Tulyangova, Panova, Kremer, or Testud. Hingis is MUCH more talented and was a MUCH better player than any of them ever were.

I also don't quite understand why everyone keeps bringing up the loss to Weingartner either. Hingis did not train very hard for that tournament and, as a result, she did not win. It's simple. She did, however, win the first set of that match 6-1. After that she was just not fit enough to keep up, which only further proves that the biggest hurdle for Hingis to overcome is fitness, not her lack of power.

In my opinion, the tour has not changed much since Hingis last "competitively" (i say "competitively" because she really only played to her standards in the early part of the season... the rest was a wash) played in 2002. Everyone insists that it was the power of the game that overthrew Hingis, but I think that it was a result of her not taking the ball as early or coming to net as much as she once did. At the '02 Australian Open, these skills came back to her and she was merely one point away from grabbing the title. If she can reach that level of play once again, IMO there is no reason why she couldn't win more slams.

Finally, Hingis would not be attempting a comeback if she did not feel that she was fully fit and capable to do so. She has always said that if she were ever to come back, she would need to be in the top 5 and winning slams for her to consider it a success. She will not be satisfied being just a good top 20 player, and I think that she will do absolutely everything in her power to become as extraordinary of a player as she once was.