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xan
Nov 24th, 2005, 12:44 PM
With Maria's split from Lansdorp, and since she is no longer permanently coached by Nick Bollittieri (who seems to be concentrating on Pierce and Vaidisova now), Maria has no professional coach.

Yuri seems to be acting as her only coach at the moment. Is this a good idea?

Yuri does not have the experience of coaching top tennis players or teaching the techniques Maria needs to improve. He's never been her principal coach up until now, so I'm a little concerned Marias might not get the quality help she needs. Players like Dementieva, Hingis and the Williams have relied on amateur family coaching. Has it hindered their progress? Quite a lot of people seem to think so.

What's the best prospect for Maria?

Dan23
Nov 24th, 2005, 01:36 PM
Its hard to say right now but the coaching duties now firmly rest with Yuri and Michael Joyce (who was also student of Robert). I think Maria could clearly benefit from the input of another professional and experienced coach. Her progress so far has been great, bursting on to the scene and quickly moving to the peak of the rankings....but the next couple of years of Maria's career could be the most important in deciding where she will go as a player. To continue to improve and make the most of the brilliant natural talent Maria possesses she needs a good team around her...but only Masha can make these decisions.

Maria Croft
Nov 24th, 2005, 03:08 PM
I don't think so, Maria knows everything she needs to know, everything she learns now is on the court, her experience can't be learned by a coach, she needs training yeah, but you don't need someone like Landsdorp for that, Yuri should know by now how to take care of everything training wise

But maybe after next year I will think differently about that lol

Steve-o
Nov 24th, 2005, 07:21 PM
Lansdorp speaks highly of Joyce and it would be a comfortable transition to keep him, it sound like he's been doing most of the work with Maria anyway under Lansdorp's direction. I think Maria needs some technical input from somewhere, there's still so much in her game to work on. Obviously Maria knows where she needs to improve but at only 18 she still needs expert guidance to reach her full potential.

Dan23
Nov 24th, 2005, 11:10 PM
The finer points of Maria's game need small improvements and she knows that. Even Federer can always do with the help of an experienced coach to spot things and help improve certain areas...im not saying Yuri isnt up to it but maybe someone whos been there before a few times could be of help.

Sharapower
Nov 25th, 2005, 01:49 AM
Does Maria need a coach other than Yuri, her physical trainer and her hitting partner ? I would answer "yes and no".

In absolute terms, she's the #4 player in the world, has been #1 for a few weeks at only 18, that means her current team is efficient, and, baring injuries, I don't see her going downwards in the WTA hierarchy.

BUT, I have the conviction that Maria has got a terrific potential which isn't used yet at more than 60 or 70%. IMO she is the race of real dominators as the likes of Graf, Seles, Hingis or Serena. She seems to have an opportunity to settle a domination on a long-term basis because I don't see a serious rival of hers in the upcoming generation. Such a domination would need the insight of a pro, experienced coach, one who can make her improve on her weaknesses and who's capable of keeping her up, mental-wise.

Someone on GM stated that Maria is a hell of a fighter but she is not that tough mentally. I would tend to agree. Maria has shown many times that, when in difficulty, she can totally lose control of her emotions and then of the match itself. That kind of stuff can be worked on, hence Federer or Sampras. As a matter of fact, by the time these guys have reached an outstanding level of emotionnal self-control, they started to completely dominate the ATP field. But it does definitely require the insight of a very knowledgeable coach who has experienced him/herself the reality of the competition on court.

Then, if Maria and her clan decide to go that way, it will mean that Yuri will have to step back and take some distance from his daughter's career. As opposed to the general opinion, I don't think the real block to this would be Yuri but Maria herself: besides being a great champion with a lot of maturity in tennis, she is just a 18 years kid who is still growing on the affective side.

The "Sharapova-miracle" might become somethimg really HUGE if she happened to team with a coach like Annacone, Lundgren, Cahill or someone like that (unfortunately female retired champions do not choose to become full-time coaches: I have a dream of Martina Hingis coaching Masha :hearts: ).

As a conclusion, Maria's carreer might get at a much higher level with a coach, but not any coach, a high profile past champion who could not only help her improve technically but also be inspiring to her on a day-to-day basis.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Nov 25th, 2005, 02:34 AM
Kim Clijster was on fire when she had her coach.. she even won the US Open...

Now on the YEC.. she lost badly....

Sharapower
Nov 25th, 2005, 02:39 AM
Kim Clijster was on fire when she had her coach.. she even won the US Open...

Now on the YEC.. she lost badly....

Kim is Kim, Masha is Masha

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Nov 25th, 2005, 03:05 AM
Kim is Kim, Masha is Masha

What about Jelena Dokic?

Andy.
Nov 25th, 2005, 04:39 AM
I definatly think another head and opinion could only help Maria.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Nov 25th, 2005, 06:10 AM
I definatly think another head and opinion could only help Maria.

I think she needs Lansdorp needs to make a comeback!;)

In three months... he can makes maria a demon once again!:D

Maria Croft
Nov 25th, 2005, 08:55 AM
Let's say it like this, she needs a new trainer because Yuri just doesn't know tennis good enough and it's always great to have someone that works on the little things in your game like Sharapower mentioned

But she doesn't need someone like Lansdorp anymore, she knows how to play tennis, his job is done, it was a good thing to get rid of that bitter old man

Andy.
Nov 25th, 2005, 10:10 AM
Yeah not Landsdorp he was the foundation builder we need someone new to add another dimention

Sweep
Nov 25th, 2005, 06:22 PM
I would say so. Extra help doesn't hurt. So long as it's not Nigel Sears. :lol:
Yuri's a good father, but tennis coach? I'm not so convinced.

iine:
Nov 25th, 2005, 07:29 PM
I would say so. Extra help doesn't hurt. So long as it's not Nigel Sears. :lol:
Yuri's a good father, but tennis coach? I'm not so convinced.

why not Sears?what's wrong with that guy?

Sweep
Nov 25th, 2005, 07:38 PM
why not Sears?what's wrong with that guy?

I just don't think he would improve Masha. She can do better!

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Nov 25th, 2005, 07:40 PM
Yeah not Landsdorp he was the foundation builder we need someone new to add another dimention

Paul Annacone? I understand why you say not Lansdorp, but you think someone like Annacone would make her die hard good?

Steve-o
Nov 25th, 2005, 10:42 PM
Guessing who Lansdorps' successor could be is almost impossible, but there must be a number of first class coaches out there who would love to work with a player of Maria's ability and standing in the game :)

Josh B.
Nov 26th, 2005, 09:34 AM
i think she needs a coach who specialises in net play, she needs to improve her net play, but shes still young so, i guess that will improve over time and experience

Maria Croft
Nov 26th, 2005, 03:25 PM
I don't think the net game is that important, she can do it, just in tough situations she fails do execute them Properly, but she has a good drop shot and an amazing drive volley and she can finish points at the net, so hiring someone just for that is probably a bad idea

Steve-o
Nov 26th, 2005, 10:34 PM
Let's face it Maria's never gonna be a maestro at the net, although it would help if she could come in a bit more on the slower surfaces. IMO it would be great if she could work on getting a little more angle or width into her game, especially on the forehand. :)

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Nov 26th, 2005, 10:38 PM
Paul Annacone coached Pete Sampras... and right now Tim Henman!

Sweep
Nov 27th, 2005, 04:13 PM
Paul Annacone coached Pete Sampras... and right now Tim Henman!

Well seeing as Henman's gone downhill I don't believe he would be the right man for the job.

Maria Croft
Nov 27th, 2005, 05:52 PM
Paul Annacone coached Pete Sampras... and right now Tim Henman!


What works for one person isn't always good for the next

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Nov 28th, 2005, 12:39 AM
Brad Gilbert?

I am running out of good coached.. :rolleyes:

Andy.
Nov 28th, 2005, 01:09 AM
Lindsay Davenport will be retired soon why not Adam peterson.

Martyś
Nov 28th, 2005, 11:56 AM
I think that Masha need someone quickly. Juri is a good father probably, but he doesn't know as much about work with tennis player as it is important. Maria has got a huge potencial ;) but someone must to investe in her.

Doc
Nov 28th, 2005, 03:16 PM
Yes. I would feel worried if Yuri remained Masha's only coach.

I feel players who have stuck with parent-coaches have never developed as fully as they could have. This has been said of Venus, Serena, Dementieva, Hingis and others. All have been slow to adapt, correct weaknesses, and change their pattern of play.

Maria needs to improve her serve, and net play, add more to her movement, as well as develop her match strategy. An excellent coach would help in this.

timray
Nov 28th, 2005, 03:57 PM
I think Maria needs a coach to kick her in the ass to do some hard work.

Doc
Nov 29th, 2005, 04:32 PM
I think Maria needs a coach to kick her in the ass to do some hard work.

:o Maria does a lot of hard work by all accounts.

What she needs is someone to concentrate on adding to her range of techniques.

meyerpl
Nov 29th, 2005, 08:36 PM
Yuri was smart enough to know Maria needed professional help from the best to become into a top player. He is kidding himself if he thinks he can take over now. I hope he figures it out before she suffers too much damage because of his ego.

Steve-o
Nov 29th, 2005, 08:52 PM
Yuri was smart enough to know Maria needed professional help from the best to become into a top player. He is kidding himself if he thinks he can take over now. I hope he figures it out before she suffers too much damage because of his ego.

You're making Yuri sound like Damir Dokic. I've seen enough of him to know he would never do anything to 'damage' Maria.

meyerpl
Nov 29th, 2005, 09:41 PM
You're making Yuri sound like Damir Dokic. I've seen enough of him to know he would never do anything to 'damage' Maria.
Oh, I didn't mean it in that sense. I mean in the same sense as if I tried to be her coach. I would mean well, but I'm not qualified. I only mean damage to her progress as a player and her career.

Steve-o
Nov 29th, 2005, 09:59 PM
I catch your drift ;) Your post was a little ambiguous then

meyerpl
Nov 29th, 2005, 10:41 PM
I catch your drift ;) Your post was a little ambiguous then
You are correct.

I believe Yuri has nothing but the best intentions for Maria, but I believe that if you're successful, you ought to stick with what got you there. In this instance, I'd be happy to eat my words in the future.

timray
Nov 30th, 2005, 12:03 AM
:o Maria does a lot of hard work by all accounts.

What she needs is someone to concentrate on adding to her range of techniques.

I just want Maria to be the best she can be :wavey:

madame_maria
Nov 30th, 2005, 03:10 AM
Did Brad Gilbert take Roddick before Roddick's current one?

IF he was the one then i'll think he'll be good. He helped Roddick achieve a backhand that wouldn't always falter as Roddick used to concentrate too much on the forehand, hence the "Forehand Forever" bull****. Roddick upped the serve power (though it was more due to his own serving style), Gilbert upped the serve variation and placement.

I think if Maria got her groundstrokes perfect and a powerful first serve, she'd be fine.

Netplay comes with experience too, not just pure technique, the more she comes in, the more adept she gets at the shots and volleys.

And I think Maria is already doing fine on most aspects of her game. Strengthening her weaker areas and KEEPING HER STRENGTHS will make her #1 again without a doubt.

Andy.
Nov 30th, 2005, 03:13 AM
Did Brad Gilbert take Roddick before Roddick's current one?

IF he was the one then i'll think he'll be good. He helped Roddick achieve a backhand that wouldn't always falter as Roddick used to concentrate too much on the forehand, hence the "Forehand Forever" bull****. Roddick upped the serve power (though it was more due to his own serving style), Gilbert upped the serve variation and placement.

I think if Maria got her groundstrokes perfect and a powerful first serve, she'd be fine.

Netplay comes with experience too, not just pure technique, the more she comes in, the more adept she gets at the shots and volleys.

And I think Maria is already doing fine on most aspects of her game. Strengthening her weaker areas and KEEPING HER STRENGTHS will make her #1 again without a doubt.

Good post some good ideas in there.