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Oizo
Apr 30th, 2002, 07:32 AM
Why do so many people post in the General Messages threads about Jen and how she is and what she is and who´s fault is. They are not the fans, they are just haters and have now the food they needed! A bunch of jerks! :fiery:

kazzmazz
Apr 30th, 2002, 01:17 PM
Oizo!!!:wavey:

I know it's annoying 50 daily new threads about Jen all saying the same thing, but Jen's a passionate and controversial player and she incites passion from all sides. Love her or hate her, people can't stop talking about Jen! I guess it's what we have to live with being her fans, but it's well worth it I think. :) ;)

Rollo
Apr 30th, 2002, 02:03 PM
If she were ranked #10 without 3 slams you wouldn't get so much either. A lot of fans of others fear Jen or are jealous. Venus and Hingis fans have had to put up with it too. Isn't goos we have a "safe space" to cool off?

Nimi
Apr 30th, 2002, 07:48 PM
people even braek in here once in a while to interrupt our silent spot :(

Luna_Angel_84
Apr 30th, 2002, 08:38 PM
Well, at least no one could ever accuse her of being boring!:p

Rollo
Apr 30th, 2002, 09:18 PM
Who's breaking and entering our Jen Den Insanity?
We'll sick Oizo on them to zap with a light saber, then you can jumnp up and down on them-I'll ROLL over them.....
And maybe Kazzmazz can spazz . We'll fix the intruders :bounce: :bounce:

kazzmazz
Apr 30th, 2002, 10:40 PM
:fiery: :fiery:

Are there any smilies for spazzing? Somehow that one doesn't seem appropriate...

Mark43
May 1st, 2002, 04:16 AM
Yeah at first it was funny, then boring, depressing and now it is amusing again. But there are some posters that seem obsessed with ragging on Jen, like "Sigh, bell ". She/he even posts in Jen's Den. It really makes you wonder.

As I said before, I hope all the negative press and the reporters don't get to Jen. I wish she would have gotten rid of Stefano when she was coming back. I had no idea that he still had so much influence on her. The whole parent as coach thing in general in women's tennis is unsettling.

Luna_Angel_84
May 1st, 2002, 08:41 PM
I guess negative comments are simply the sign that Jen has really made it. I mean people are taking notice of her and see her as a threat, and find that they end up saying negative things about her. They're just jealous and do it to make them feel better about themselves. Hopefully Jen'll realise this and not let them get to her.

veryborednow
May 1st, 2002, 08:50 PM
Used to bother me, now I'm too tired of it. They only pick on her behaviour ... boring.

It's the same people everytime - so there's never going to be a possibility of bringing them around.

So lets have fun in here :p

Oizo
May 1st, 2002, 08:52 PM
Yes, you are right kazzmazz! ;) :wavey:

Oizo
May 1st, 2002, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Rollo
Who's breaking and entering our Jen Den Insanity?
We'll sick Oizo on them to zap with a light saber, then you can jumnp up and down on them-I'll ROLL over them.....
And maybe Kazzmazz can spazz . We'll fix the intruders :bounce: :bounce:

:D :D :D :wavey:
Yes, they really shouldn´t mess with me ;)

Rollo
May 2nd, 2002, 01:27 AM
Describe the punishment for us Oizo. Draw and quarter them? DeCAPitate them with your wit? Put their face in a hold and let Jen fire forehands?
Be severe :eek:

Snuffkin
May 2nd, 2002, 01:31 AM
Could we just play Celine Dion records to them? That surely would be punishment enough???

Oizo
May 2nd, 2002, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Snuffkin
Could we just play Celine Dion records to them? That surely would be punishment enough???
:eek: :eek: :eek:

Oizo
May 2nd, 2002, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by Rollo
Describe the punishment for us Oizo. Draw and quarter them? DeCAPitate them with your wit? Put their face in a hold and let Jen fire forehands?
Be severe :eek:
Ok, I will grab them by their neck and heave them up until they don´t get to breathe anymore and if they manage to apologize, they´re free! ;) :eek: OMG, what did I say???? :eek: :eek: :eek: ;) :wavey:

Nimi
May 2nd, 2002, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Oizo

Ok, I will grab them by their neck and heave them up until they don´t get to breathe anymore and if they manage to apologize, they´re free! ;) :eek: OMG, what did I say???? :eek: :eek: :eek: ;) :wavey:

u said exatly that...

i can give them rabies, i think i have that, thats why i am what i am..:eek: :rolleyes: :p

Oizo
May 2nd, 2002, 06:27 PM
:eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :wavey: ;) :cool:

Nimi
May 2nd, 2002, 06:52 PM
i think we should call ourselves "The Capriati Legion" or something...


btw, THIS IS MY 500TH POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oizo
May 3rd, 2002, 11:50 AM
Congrats Insanity! :wavey:

Nimi
May 3rd, 2002, 01:34 PM
& this is # 518

Oizo
May 4th, 2002, 05:29 PM
LOL! ;) :D

cappy happy
May 4th, 2002, 05:45 PM
Better brace for next week though when Jen's back in action. I used to get antsy when she wasn't playing - itching for the next tournament to begin, but I have to admit after Fed Cup, it's been kinda nice having a week off from the anger and irritation. It's been fun in here just talking about nothing.

Nimi
May 4th, 2002, 07:17 PM
lets hug, i love u guys!

GoJennifer
May 4th, 2002, 10:14 PM
We better get ready for next week, when Jenn is back in action.

I'm sure Cy-hell and her cronies are licking their chops, waiting for an on-court outburst from our Jenny. LOL.:)

veryborednow
May 5th, 2002, 12:49 PM
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thoughrout the WHOLE bloody fed Cup thing, the times had nothing. zilch. nada etc... about it.

The today - I open the sports section, there's a whole A3 page dedicated to how Jen is arrogant and wrong. I spent all morning arguing with my newspaper. and i'm now very VERY VERY VERY pissed off

:fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

Nimi
May 5th, 2002, 01:10 PM
so, arguing with a newspaper?
are things THIS bad?

Luna_Angel_84
May 5th, 2002, 09:16 PM
Romily, do you know if the stuff about Jen is available to read online?

veryborednow
May 5th, 2002, 09:18 PM
I'll go look for you :)

veryborednow
May 5th, 2002, 09:23 PM
here we go - British press are also having an orgasm over Richard Gasquet :rolleyes: He's good, but please ... you're grown men

THIS IS THE EXACT ARTICLE I WAS TALKING ABOUT

Tennis: Richard Evans: Return of the bad girl
Billie Jean King takes a stance against superstar arrogance, but will she get the support she deserves?

Superstar arrogance touched new heights when the supposedly reformed Jennifer Capriati told Billie Jean King to “F*** off” when she was removed from the United States Fed Cup team at Charlotte, North Carolina, last weekend.
According to observers, who included coach Zina Garrison and hitting partner Jonathan Stark as well as numerous United States Tennis Association (USTA) volunteers, a look of incredulity crossed Capriati’s face when it dawned on her that King, the Fed Cup captain and, ironically, her doubles partner when she played her first professional tournament at the age of 14, was going to carry out her threat to remove the Australian and French Open champion from the team on the grounds that she insisted on practising with her own coach.

Just a few minutes before, Garrison, the Wimbledon finalist in 1990, had taken Capriati to one side to explain why the rule was for the good of the whole team.

“But Jennifer was trying to establish who was in control and she lost sight of what’s right,” Garrison said. “She got very upset and used a lot of profanities. I thought, ‘Come on girl, don’t you understand Billie Jean is the reason you are here?’ If you can’t respect Billie Jean, you’ve still got a lot of growing up to do.”

As is so often the case, a tennis father-turned-coach looms in the background of this story. Stefano Capriati did his best to push himself to the forefront after King laid down the rules in a team meeting at the beginning of the week for the tie against Austria, which the United States ultimately lost.

Capriati, who turned up 20 minutes late, had the rules reiterated to her personally by King, including the salient one that no personal coaches would be allowed to attend practice sessions. At the time Capriati, a woman of few words, merely nodded and said: “Okay.”

Capriati, having said she wanted to practise at 1pm, made her own way to the Olde Providence Racquet Club and appeared on court at 11am with her father. After a big hug from Stefano, with whom King has always had warm relations, the captain informed him of the rule and asked him to respect it. He agreed, but went over to the court where Monica Seles was practising and watched her. King knew that Seles didn’t like this, so a USTA security guard was told to go and ask Mr Capriati to leave.

At that point Mr Capriati stormed over to his long-time friend and, in full view of everybody, began screaming abuse at her, pointing a finger an inch from King’s face. She told him to calm down.

That night, Jennifer turned up 20 minutes late for a private team dinner at the Ballantyne Hotel and the matter was not discussed. However, the next day, King received a call at the courts from Fed Cup chairwoman Carol Graebner to say that Capriati had decided to quit the team. But even before the USTA hierarchy could be contacted, Graebner called back to say the Capriatis had changed their minds and “would play by the rules”.

At a subsequent press conference, Capriati praised King for the way she had helped her during a Fed Cup match in Las Vegas two months before she won her first Grand Slam title in Australia in January 2001. King has always been supportive of the young woman whose troubles with drugs and the law sent her spinning off the tracks before she reached 20.

All that seemed to count for little the following day when Capriati, having been nominated for the team at the draw, practised with her colleagues for half an hour and then let it be known that she had booked a separate practice court, hired a high-school hitting partner and was preparing to have a further session with her father.

The captain, along with Garrison and Stark, then approached her. “You know the rules,” said King, “please don’t do this.” But Capriati was adamant. In the statement she released later, she said: “I strongly protested at this directive. Looking beyond the Fed Cup, I was also preparing for some very important tournaments, including the defence of my title at the French Open. It is amazing to me that I am being penalised so severely for wanting to prepare as best I can for the Fed Cup and my other commitments.”

King has been asked by the USTA, which is trying to tip-toe around the issue, not to make any public statement, but in a private conversation yesterday, she agreed to be quoted as saying: “Jennifer broke the rules on many occasions, and in fairness to the other players, who all supported me, I had no option but to take her off the team. It was a decision that led to a short-term loss for a long-term gain.”

That much will be true only if the game’s leaders rally round the woman who has done more than anybody else to popularise women’s tennis, and thereby send a signal to Capriati’s pampered colleagues on the Sanex WTA Tour that rules are rules and have to be obeyed.

The USTA’s response leaves much to be desired. After many phone calls, the following statement was finally extracted: “The USTA supports Billie Jean King and has enormous regard for her leadership on our team and our sport. Jennifer Capriati is an important part of American tennis and a key contributor to America’s success in world tennis. We have every confidence that the goals of the USTA, Billie Jean King and Jennifer Capriati can and will be reconciled.”

When the player apologises, perhaps? There was no sign of that from the Capriati camp. Nor, anywhere in that statement, a word of criticism of the Capriatis’ behaviour. So are we to assume the USTA feels it is acceptable to use profane language to a captain of one of their teams? Is it so desperate for Capriati’s services it is prepared to abandon its duties and not issue a reprimand for appallbehaviour that was appalling? What will she do — refuse to play the US Open? Is Stefano going to blow his trumpet so hard that the walls of the Arthur Ashe stadium fall down? It is about time somebody in authority in tennis started insisting that the players adhere to some of sport’s 10 commandments, which include: 1 Respect the rules; 2 Respect your captain; 3. Don’t use profane and abusive language in public.

The fact is that Capriati and her father have brought the sport into disrepute, and somebody in authority ought to have the guts to tell them so.

Luna_Angel_84
May 5th, 2002, 09:23 PM
Thank you!:kiss:

cappy happy
May 5th, 2002, 09:47 PM
My fave part:

It was a decision that led to a short-term loss for a long-term gain.

Really? For who? The fans? The team? USTA? Jen? Your reputation as a coach? Next year's Fed Cup team? Women's tennis and sports in general? I think the only one's who gained were the media and Belgium.

Snuffkin
May 5th, 2002, 11:28 PM
It really makes me laugh when journos, who think they know it all, decide who should do what. So, they brought the game into disrepute did they? Well then, please explain the racist comments from Hewitt at the US Open last year and his spastic comments at the FO(?). Were they acceptable? Did they not bring the game into disrepute?

Whilst I do not seek to condone Jennifer's behaviour, in truth I find it quite disgusting, it's occasions like this that see everyone trying to be G-d. She has made a huge error, but to bring the game into disrepute is a huge statement. Consider how preposterous it is when the Fed Cup does not even warrant a single column inch in newspapers and no airtime on TV. Had she behaved the way she did at a Grand Slam, in front of the watching world, then she may have brought the game into disrepute. What I don't doubt is that she has let some people down...but the game didn't even blink.

Let's see a level of perspective here, and not just a media trial just because there's nothing else to write and it's been too long since Jennifer Capriati self-destructed.

Besides, am I alone in thinking there's something missing here? So Jennifer and Stefano both agreed with BJK, and then both threw strops?

vishniac
May 6th, 2002, 12:21 AM
"3. Don’t use profane and abusive language in public. "

For those who don't know, Richard Evans is a long time friend of John McEnroe. He even wrote a praiseful biography of John during the 80s.
It looks funny to read that from him!

LucasArg
May 6th, 2002, 12:34 AM
When Jenn makes mistakes as she did in Fed Cup, you should not question other posters.

A mea culpa would be great for you guys:angel:

kazzmazz
May 6th, 2002, 02:49 AM
Lucas, while I'm not happy about Jen's behaviour, I'll never apologize for continuing to support her, on my own as well as on this web site :)

veryborednow
May 6th, 2002, 12:18 PM
It's articles like this one which persuades me that all British tennis journalists don't have a fucking clue.

Nimi
May 6th, 2002, 12:26 PM
have u seen the British players?

veryborednow
May 6th, 2002, 12:31 PM
yes, but not journalists :p

Oizo
May 6th, 2002, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by kazzmazz
Lucas, while I'm not happy about Jen's behaviour, I'll never apologize for continuing to support her, on my own as well as on this web site :)
Me too! :wavey:

Oizo
May 6th, 2002, 12:32 PM
British press sucks! :p

veryborednow
May 6th, 2002, 12:42 PM
well .. yes and no.

there's freedom of the press

but i just don't like their views :p

Luna_Angel_84
May 6th, 2002, 07:51 PM
It's this kind of thing that has put me right off journalism as a career...:rolleyes:

Oizo
May 7th, 2002, 09:10 AM
So you wanted to become a journalist and then changed your mind cause of that thing?

Nimi
May 7th, 2002, 02:09 PM
emmm... maybe the Brits?

Oizo
May 7th, 2002, 04:54 PM
LOL.....:rolleyes: ;) :D :wavey: