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justine&coria
Sep 27th, 2005, 07:11 PM
I know you're gonna say : "Okay, another thread/poll about Serena", but there's something I truly don't understand about her and her fans. Most of them seem to be in total denial that she's been having an awful year (even if she won the AO). :eek:
I used to love her (my avatar shows Justine and Serena smiling), and truly hope she'll reach once again her level of 2002. :worship:

BUT, when someone tries to say that Serena had a bad year, most of her fans come and say "She won a GS, unlike Davenport or Sharapova". :rolleyes:
But, Serena's year is really "shameful" : her tennis-career is really getting lower and lower, and it doesn't seem to get better. (In the same way, there's nothing really "shameful" in Davenport or Sharapova's year. They had some disappointments, but not as bad as Serena's.)
If I were Serena, I would be annoyed of showing such a bad level of tennis, and I would go on training and training to reach a decent level. Instead of that, it seems to her that she's still the best, and many of her fans seem to put up with her AO title, as if Serena winning a GS was such a big achievement (we all know what she can do, even when far from her best).
Sorry, but I just can't understand people saying Serena's been having an ok year.

So I'd like to know, if I'm the only one to think this way ?

The question is : So far, what do you remember the most about Serena's 2005 year ? Her AO title or her slump ?

le bon vivant
Sep 27th, 2005, 07:13 PM
Why do you needs other opinions? To validate you own? If you feel Serena's year was shameful, then so be it. Thats fine, you have the right to your opinion. Justlike Serena's real fans have a right to think otherwise.

Diesel
Sep 27th, 2005, 07:16 PM
I'm sorry but who is 'most of them'? You have some names or you just took this generalization and decided to run with it blindly? I have yet to interact with one poster on this board who has spoken to, discussed issues with 'most' of anybody.

Have you spoken to individuals who are Serena fans and feel much like some Venus fans in that Serena's Australian Open win stands for far much more in it's solitary capacity for what it spoke to the critics and what potential that there still remains in Serena? Or have you spoken to some individuals who realize that Serena has had only that Australian Open win but notice the injuries and fitness problems she's had and look towards next year? What is the deal in beating oneself over the head with what hasn't gone right this year when you know just the kind of player you are a fan of? Then there are the Serena fans who are vocal in their disappointment in Serena period so much so that I find myself upset because it isn't the way I would express myself over Serena and in particular her losses, but they do it and it's their right. Have you not read these threads and spoken to these Serena fans? Well? The spectrum in opinion from Serena fans is wide and mostly shown when they are speaking among Serena fans. Faith, confidence, pride and knowledge of the past and glimpses of the future all played a part this year with Serena Williams. From the Australian to a Wimbldeon with Craybas. I rejoiced so loud I almost lost my voice when she won the AO and I was disappointed with her loss to Craybas but I had perspective about it and moved the hell on. The fact that you only give two choices and none of which being Serena's whole season show your own narrow mode of thinking. Here you attack Serena fans for daring to think one way and you hardly open yours to any other but generalizations to all these Serena fans you haven't spoken with.

So for me personally, the non-most Serena fan I have no denial about her season, but a perspective about what went wrong with Serena and her tennis and that is that. What more do people like you actually want and why do you need to be satisfied?

Frankly I'm not understanding why you even care what goes on in the mind and heart of Serena fans, who still love her by the way regardless of what her season has been like. Let alone Serena, you aren't her, none of us are. We don't know what she's doing at every moment of the day and it shows your arrogance to even go there assuming she's not doing a thing to get better. If you were Serena... you aren't. You aren't even a Serena fan. Perhaps it is a WTAworld thing, to be all up in the business of other fans so much so that you make their business yours - crazy. Your lack of understanding or want of it will never dictate what others feel. It's really as simple as that.

justine&coria
Sep 27th, 2005, 07:16 PM
PS : This is a public poll. We'll see how her fans, her non-fans and her haters vote.
And I don't make this to bash Serena. But, I just don't understand some of Serena's fans. If Justine had such a year, I'd be disappointed.

And Serena is no low-ranked/"unknown" player. Of couse, Schnyder would have been so happy if she had Serena's year (don't ask me why I'm talking about Patty, I'm just gonna say I'm a fan of Justine ;) ).
But Serena is no Schnyder. We can expect better things from her.

meyerpl
Sep 27th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Her AO title, of course. Her comeback, fighting off match-points, her all pumped-up; I'll never forget it. What the hell is memorable about a slump? When people reflect back on the career of a great player, who says, "Remember Laver's slump in '67?" Nobody. You remember '69 when he won all four slams.
The current slump is just a bump on a long and glorious road for Serena Williams.

(I know some jackass is going to say, "I remember her eating five Big Macs at her birthday party." Don't. Just don't!)

SvetaPleaseWin.
Sep 27th, 2005, 07:25 PM
at the moment i remember her slump. im a big serena fan but i can admit shes had an awful year-she wasnt even playing that well at the AO. you gotta give her respect-shes plays poorly-maybe the worst tennis of her career-and yet she still has a grand slam. i bet there are alot of people who would like to have the year shes having.

in my opinion shes having a bad year if she doesnt win at least 3 slams-henin may be able to beat her on clay but serena is better than everyone on the other 3 surfaces.

Infiniti2001
Sep 27th, 2005, 07:28 PM
Dear thread starter,

EVERY player goes through a slump sometime during his/her career-- Yes, the greats like Steffi, Pete, Evert, Navratilova all had their downs, but no one ever remembers . They only remember all the slams won and that's the only thing that matters at the end of the day . Even if Serena never wins another tournament in her career, history is already written and can't be taken back now.

Sincerely,
Avid tennis fan

Blonde_Ambition7
Sep 27th, 2005, 08:11 PM
her slump, but i don't expect/don't hope it will last.

Rocketta
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:19 PM
Frankly I'm not understanding why you even care what goes on in the mind and heart of Serena fans, who still love her by the way regardless of what her season has been like. Let alone Serena, you aren't her, none of us are. We don't know what she's doing at every moment of the day and it shows your arrogance to even go there assuming she's not doing a thing to get better. If you were Serena... you aren't. You aren't even a Serena fan. Perhaps it is a WTAworld thing, to be all up in the business of other fans so much so that you make their business yours - crazy. Your lack of understanding or want of it will never dictate what others feel. It's really as simple as that.

Shoot I have to spread reputuation before I can give you more .. :(


Isn't it amazing how much people on this board need Williams fans to validate their opinion? :lol:

Pureracket
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:25 PM
:lol: LOL! Another uninformed tennis "fan" who refuses to acknowledge that Serena is not a liar when she says that she fucking fractured her ankle.

Yeah, with a fractured ankle, I'd probably be in a slump from world class tennis too. Honestly, any convo where the fractured ankle issue isn't discussed is a waste of time.:lol:

Pureracket
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:27 PM
Shoot I have to spread reputuation before I can give you more .. :(


Isn't it amazing how much people on this board need Williams fans to validate their opinion? :lol:*Pureracket gives Justine&cori validation*

terjw
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:33 PM
Slump

Rocketta
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:40 PM
*Pureracket gives Justine&cori validation*

haha, really it's fascinating to me because I don't think I've ever said to myself...." I don't understand why _____ fans aren't disspointed in their fav or why doesn't ________ fans admit x y z. " It's just a foreign concept to me. :shrug: :lol:

Declan
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:51 PM
Years from now, when all today's players have long-retired, when the historians review 2005, all the attention will rightly be on the four Slam tournaments. Regardless of her disappointing performances in three of them, Serena Williams DID win a Slam this year -her Australian Open triumph will always be in the history books. As such, she is automatically one of the year's best performers, despite her injury-induced lowly ranking.

Scotso
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:53 PM
I don't think there are many people in the world that wouldn't love to have the season that Serena has had. Right now people may focus on the slump, but years from now they will just remember the Australian Open title.

charmedRic
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:59 PM
Slump.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:01 PM
I'll remember her slump more. Winning One Tournament/Grand Slam and struggle to win a match after that equals a slump.

Derek.
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:03 PM
Her terrible losses and how many matches she's had to retire from. :o

schris
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:03 PM
her slump :bounce:

SAEKeithSerena
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:20 PM
her title...always try to look more at the positive side of things, she's had a dreadful year with her injury, but she kicked some major ass in january.

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:24 PM
...question....what do u remeber about Serena Williams in 1999?
Anastasia Myskina in 2004
Martina Navratilova in 1994
Steffi Graf in 1999
PETE SAMPRAS in 2002
Goran Ivanisevic in 2001
It doesn't matter what goes in for the other 43 weeks of the year, the ONLY things that stand the test of time are SLAMS...and maybe the YEC. Serena WON A slam this year, beating Davenport and Sharapova in a row...just as Venus did at Wimbledon. They, both have held the #1 ranking this year, and have won multiple tournaments, but in 2010, what will you remeber: Serena winning the first slam of '05 or Sharapova winning Tokyo or Davenport winning Dubai? Come on..l know my mom said that there are no stupid questions, but this one definately pushes the envelope.

It should go without saying that I remember the SLAM! #7....as many as Sharapova, Davneport, Clijsters, and Pierce COMBINED!

TomTennis
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:26 PM
...question....what do u remeber about Serena Williams in 1999?
Anastasia Myskina in 2004
Martina Navratilova in 1994
Steffi Graf in 1999
PETE SAMPRAS in 2002
Goran Ivanisevic in 2001
It doesn't matter what goes in for the other 43 weeks of the year, the ONLY things that stand the test of time are SLAMS...and maybe the YEC. Serena WON A slam this year, beating Davenport and Sharapova in a row...just as Venus did at Wimbledon. They, both have held the #1 ranking this year, and have won multiple tournaments, but in 2010, what will you remeber: Serena winning the first slam of '05 or Sharapova winning Tokyo or Davenport winning Dubai? Come on..l know my mom said that there are no stupid questions, but this one definately pushes the envelope.

It should go without saying that I remember the SLAM! #7....as many as Sharapova, Davneport, Clijsters, and Pierce COMBINED!

couldnt have put it better myself!!! :bounce:

Pureracket
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:35 PM
...question....what do u remeber about Serena Williams in 1999?
Anastasia Myskina in 2004
Martina Navratilova in 1994
Steffi Graf in 1999
PETE SAMPRAS in 2002
Goran Ivanisevic in 2001
It doesn't matter what goes in for the other 43 weeks of the year, the ONLY things that stand the test of time are SLAMS...and maybe the YEC. Serena WON A slam this year, beating Davenport and Sharapova in a row...just as Venus did at Wimbledon. They, both have held the #1 ranking this year, and have won multiple tournaments, but in 2010, what will you remeber: Serena winning the first slam of '05 or Sharapova winning Tokyo or Davenport winning Dubai? Come on..l know my mom said that there are no stupid questions, but this one definately pushes the envelope.

It should go without saying that I remember the SLAM! #7....as many as Sharapova, Davneport, Clijsters, and Pierce COMBINED!:worship:

le bon vivant
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:37 PM
When we think about Jennifer capriati's 2002, do we think of the fact that she didnt win a title again and took some awful losses in the indoor season (Stevenson!!!!), got out of shape, and became both Amelie and Serena's bitch?

No, we think of that epic Australian Open final against Hingis.

Kworb
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:40 PM
All the losses against low ranked players, all the injuries, the overall lackluster tennis. That's what I remember. AO is just a vague memory, I don't remember watching much of it cause Seles, Capriati, Henin and Clijsters weren't there.

Pureracket
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:44 PM
All the losses against low ranked players, all the injuries, the overall lackluster tennis. That's what I remember. AO is just a vague memory, I don't remember watching much of it cause Seles, Capriati, Henin and Clijsters weren't there.LOL! Yeah, of all the other things, you just happened to not remember the AO! Umm. .. yeah. . .right.:lol:

le bon vivant
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:45 PM
When we think about Jennifer capriati's 2002, do we think of the fact that she didnt win a title again and took some awful losses in the indoor season (Stevenson!!!!), got out of shape, and became both Amelie and Serena's bitch?

No, we think of that epic Australian Open final against Hingis.

Well i do because Im a hater. But do regular people think of those things?

Kworb
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:48 PM
I like Serena. I just think her year was awful and that that is more memorable than her 7th Slam.

Dominic
Sep 27th, 2005, 11:00 PM
Why do ppl always talk about what will happen in ages. Damn who cares we are right now and right now she's losing to players outside the top 100. And actually i personaly think that in a couple of years I will remember that 2005 for serena was a bad year, and that she didn't perform nearly as well as she can.

pav
Sep 27th, 2005, 11:06 PM
Umm, arrr,let Me think,hell buggeredifiknow,has She been playing?

G_Slammed
Sep 27th, 2005, 11:08 PM
When they look back on 05, they're going to remember 4 women and three men. Williams, Henin-Hardenne, Williams, Clijsters. Safin, Nadal, Federer.



The End.

dansnewbeg
Sep 28th, 2005, 02:42 AM
I'm not a fan, but the AO semifinal win and her reaction were pretty damn sweet to watch. You could tell how much it meant to Williams to beat Sharapova again, and I never found her more rootable than in that tournament.

Since then, it's been forgettable and understandably so. Her leg seems like it's weakening by the tournament, and I wonder what can be done about it?

morningglory
Sep 28th, 2005, 02:49 AM
AO.... we stay positive :)

No Name Face
Sep 28th, 2005, 02:51 AM
the slump. even though she won the AO, i can't remember the last time my girl went out before the quarters of a slam before this year...and she definitely never lost to the likes of Craybas...the slump was way more pronounced but that's cuz serena has tons of haters.

she'll come back and i can't wait for that day

iWill
Sep 28th, 2005, 03:18 AM
I know you're gonna say : "Okay, another thread/poll about Serena", but there's something I truly don't understand about her and her fans. Most of them seem to be in total denial that she's been having an awful year (even if she won the AO). :eek:
I used to love her (my avatar shows Justine and Serena smiling), and truly hope she'll reach once again her level of 2002. :worship:

BUT, when someone tries to say that Serena had a bad year, most of her fans come and say "She won a GS, unlike Davenport or Sharapova". :rolleyes:
But, Serena's year is really "shameful" : her tennis-career is really getting lower and lower, and it doesn't seem to get better. (In the same way, there's nothing really "shameful" in Davenport or Sharapova's year. They had some disappointments, but not as bad as Serena's.)
If I were Serena, I would be annoyed of showing such a bad level of tennis, and I would go on training and training to reach a decent level. Instead of that, it seems to her that she's still the best, and many of her fans seem to put up with her AO title, as if Serena winning a GS was such a big achievement (we all know what she can do, even when far from her best).
Sorry, but I just can't understand people saying Serena's been having an ok year.

So I'd like to know, if I'm the only one to think this way ?

The question is : So far, what do you remember the most about Serena's 2005 year ? Her AO title or her slump ?

I dont recall anyone ever saying shes having an ok year cuz that'd be a bold face lie and I love Serena more than any other player but its true. She had a great start to the year but after that she was in a slump and hasn't done anything since. She knows shes not playing well but she doesnt want to rush back to the courts and further injure herself so I think shes gonna just try to cruise through this year and plan on next year being ALOT better.

skanky~skanketta
Sep 28th, 2005, 03:32 AM
it's crazy isn't it. i remember her win. because let's face, that's what counts. it's the same with kim. i hardly remember her 4 GS losses now that she's finally won. i barely remember venus' slump because of wimby. and with justine, i remember her undefeated season on clay.

some people in here LOVE to remember the bad stuff. let it go people. it's unhealthy.

SelesFan70
Sep 28th, 2005, 03:40 AM
When we think about Jennifer capriati's 2002, do we think of the fact that she didnt win a title again and took some awful losses in the indoor season (Stevenson!!!!), got out of shape, and became both Amelie and Serena's bitch?

No, we think of that epic Australian Open final against Hingis.

All Martina had to do was hit a backhand down-the-line and the title was her's, but she was waiting for Jennifer to miss. :sad:

tennisrox
Sep 28th, 2005, 04:25 AM
it's crazy isn't it. i remember her win. because let's face, that's what counts. it's the same with kim. i hardly remember her 4 GS losses now that she's finally won. i barely remember venus' slump because of wimby. and with justine, i remember her undefeated season on clay.

some people in here LOVE to remember the bad stuff. let it go people. it's unhealthy.

So well said. :worship: People on this board have unhealthy obsessive tendencies. :rolleyes:

Gowza
Sep 28th, 2005, 04:33 AM
what i remember most about serena's year, well when i think of her year i think, winner of the first slam but the rest of the season is basically non-existent. so pretty much i remember the slam and just that.

Dave B
Sep 28th, 2005, 04:45 AM
The slam. Hands down. Serena wasn't even really playing well at the AO (I am fairly sure she admitted this in an interview), but she still managed to guts it out. It was increadibly shocking and entertaining.

The rest of her year? All I remember about the remainder of t he year are Henin, Venus, Kim, and the Davenport/Sharapova battle for number one. Serena slump who?

Dawn Marie
Sep 28th, 2005, 05:02 AM
I know you're gonna say : "Okay, another thread/poll about Serena", but there's something I truly don't understand about her and her fans. Most of them seem to be in total denial that she's been having an awful year (even if she won the AO). :eek:
I used to love her (my avatar shows Justine and Serena smiling), and truly hope she'll reach once again her level of 2002. :worship:

BUT, when someone tries to say that Serena had a bad year, most of her fans come and say "She won a GS, unlike Davenport or Sharapova". :rolleyes:
But, Serena's year is really "shameful" : her tennis-career is really getting lower and lower, and it doesn't seem to get better. (In the same way, there's nothing really "shameful" in Davenport or Sharapova's year. They had some disappointments, but not as bad as Serena's.)
If I were Serena, I would be annoyed of showing such a bad level of tennis, and I would go on training and training to reach a decent level. Instead of that, it seems to her that she's still the best, and many of her fans seem to put up with her AO title, as if Serena winning a GS was such a big achievement (we all know what she can do, even when far from her best).
Sorry, but I just can't understand people saying Serena's been having an ok year.

So I'd like to know, if I'm the only one to think this way ?

The question is : So far, what do you remember the most about Serena's 2005 year ? Her AO title or her slump ?


Serena is so good that when her year is not dominating she is having a bad year. She won a grandslam at her current champion level this is great. She has done it all. A slam is HUGE.

She has been injured cut her some slack.

Hell I could say Justine had a bad year, but she was sick and she won the French.

Serena will be back and her 7 slams at age 24 should scare you. In all honesty a player like Serena who had a not so good year can be dangerous in the future. She can get in even better shape and she can want it even more. Jen won her first slam at age 24 by coming back 100% focused so I know Serena can do the same.

tennnisfannn
Sep 28th, 2005, 06:54 AM
Should Justine hang her head in shame coz she lost to danilidou at wimby fresh after she won the French? We all understand that she is struggling with ill health/injury that is why post the FO she has been a non factor.
Should Molik be ashamed after the brilliant start to the year and failing to back it up? we all understand she has been struggling with illness.
Serena fans understand this about serena, she has had a terrible year full of injuires, it is only NON fans who wish to discredit her year who keep saying she is in a slump, well it is an injury related slump! There is no shame in that.
And just to press the point home, she still won a SLAM, something neither of the top two players accomplsihed this year and YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH THAT!
Should Lindsay be ashamed that she made two finals, and a champioship point at wimby?
Should Maria be ashamed that she felll short at each of the slams this year!
Should Justine be ashamed for going out so early at wimby and falling so easily to mary who she had schooled at the French
Should kim be ashamed that she let her lead over lindsay esp at the french slip and that she did not win more than one slam this year?
Should venus be ashamed for not winning more than one slam"
Then Serena need not be!

ginger_fish668
Sep 28th, 2005, 07:05 AM
Her AO title...though it really seems like such a long time ago.

RVD
Sep 28th, 2005, 07:31 AM
Sometimes I wonder why I even bother. :rolleyes:
This is such a no-brainer that one wonders why it's even a question.
Sane and rational people will remember her 7th slam title, of course.
Only those who don't like Serena will even consider this year in a purely negative sense. Just look at the people who voted 'SLUMP' and you have your answer.
God I hate pathetic polls like this. :mad:

Maria Croft
Sep 28th, 2005, 07:54 AM
Her AO title

Lady
Sep 28th, 2005, 08:13 AM
Her AO title.
And that's what I'll remember next year as well.

The fact is it doesn't matter if a top player lost in the 1st round, 4th round or SF/Final. Although I think losing the final hurts much more. ;)
After a couple of years noone will remember who didn't win something, they will remember the ones that won.

hingis-seles
Sep 28th, 2005, 09:17 AM
The AO semifinal with Maria is all I remember. And it's not because I'm getting old.

Dementirilenko
Sep 28th, 2005, 09:42 AM
I remember her Australian Open title and her two losses to sister Venus.

terjw
Sep 28th, 2005, 09:49 AM
Years from now, when all today's players have long-retired, when the historians review 2005, all the attention will rightly be on the four Slam tournaments. Regardless of her disappointing performances in three of them, Serena Williams DID win a Slam this year -her Australian Open triumph will always be in the history books. As such, she is automatically one of the year's best performers, despite her injury-induced lowly ranking.

The question asked is "So far what do you remember the most about Serena's 2005 year?" i.e. NOW - not in years to come which is why I said "slump". AO is a distant memory. If she'd done badly at the beginning and won the USO - my answer would have been "USO slam".

To answer the question in years to come what will be remembered - the answer is neither. Only those ppl who followed women's tennis closely in 2005 will remember her AO win without looking it up - and if they did follow it closely in 2005 (like those on this forum) they'll also remember her slump.

Nah - the only thing in women's tennis that will be remembered in years to come without looking it up is Kim's first grand slam - USO.

ns_Henin
Sep 28th, 2005, 02:37 PM
Both.

Better luck Serena.

SelesFan70
Sep 28th, 2005, 04:51 PM
I remember her Australian Open, and not for all the drama that came with it. She refused to lose..and that's a great way to win! :D

Denise4925
Sep 28th, 2005, 05:41 PM
I'm sorry but who is 'most of them'? You have some names or you just took this generalization and decided to run with it blindly? I have yet to interact with one poster on this board who has spoken to, discussed issues with 'most' of anybody.

Have you spoken to individuals who are Serena fans and feel much like some Venus fans in that Serena's Australian Open win stands for far much more in it's solitary capacity for what it spoke to the critics and what potential that there still remains in Serena? Or have you spoken to some individuals who realize that Serena has had only that Australian Open win but notice the injuries and fitness problems she's had and look towards next year? What is the deal in beating oneself over the head with what hasn't gone right this year when you know just the kind of player you are a fan of? Then there are the Serena fans who are vocal in their disappointment in Serena period so much so that I find myself upset because it isn't the way I would express myself over Serena and in particular her losses, but they do it and it's their right. Have you not read these threads and spoken to these Serena fans? Well? The spectrum in opinion from Serena fans is wide and mostly shown when they are speaking among Serena fans. Faith, confidence, pride and knowledge of the past and glimpses of the future all played a part this year with Serena Williams. From the Australian to a Wimbldeon with Craybas. I rejoiced so loud I almost lost my voice when she won the AO and I was disappointed with her loss to Craybas but I had perspective about it and moved the hell on. The fact that you only give two choices and none of which being Serena's whole season show your own narrow mode of thinking. Here you attack Serena fans for daring to think one way and you hardly open yours to any other but generalizations to all these Serena fans you haven't spoken with.

So for me personally, the non-most Serena fan I have no denial about her season, but a perspective about what went wrong with Serena and her tennis and that is that. What more do people like you actually want and why do you need to be satisfied?

Frankly I'm not understanding why you even care what goes on in the mind and heart of Serena fans, who still love her by the way regardless of what her season has been like. Let alone Serena, you aren't her, none of us are. We don't know what she's doing at every moment of the day and it shows your arrogance to even go there assuming she's not doing a thing to get better. If you were Serena... you aren't. You aren't even a Serena fan. Perhaps it is a WTAworld thing, to be all up in the business of other fans so much so that you make their business yours - crazy. Your lack of understanding or want of it will never dictate what others feel. It's really as simple as that.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Diesel again.
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Denise4925
Sep 28th, 2005, 05:43 PM
haha, really it's fascinating to me because I don't think I've ever said to myself...." I don't understand why _____ fans aren't disspointed in their fav or why doesn't ________ fans admit x y z. " It's just a foreign concept to me. :shrug: :lol:
True that. I really don't give a hoot how they feel or what they feel about their fave. :shrug: Which is why it's clear this is another troll thread by a troll wannabe.

Denise4925
Sep 28th, 2005, 05:46 PM
...question....what do u remeber about Serena Williams in 1999?
Anastasia Myskina in 2004
Martina Navratilova in 1994
Steffi Graf in 1999
PETE SAMPRAS in 2002
Goran Ivanisevic in 2001
It doesn't matter what goes in for the other 43 weeks of the year, the ONLY things that stand the test of time are SLAMS...and maybe the YEC. Serena WON A slam this year, beating Davenport and Sharapova in a row...just as Venus did at Wimbledon. They, both have held the #1 ranking this year, and have won multiple tournaments, but in 2010, what will you remeber: Serena winning the first slam of '05 or Sharapova winning Tokyo or Davenport winning Dubai? Come on..l know my mom said that there are no stupid questions, but this one definately pushes the envelope.

It should go without saying that I remember the SLAM! #7....as many as Sharapova, Davneport, Clijsters, and Pierce COMBINED!
:yeah:

Denise4925
Sep 28th, 2005, 05:50 PM
Sometimes I wonder why I even bother. :rolleyes:
This is such a no-brainer that one wonders why it's even a question.
Sane and rational people will remember her 7th slam title, of course.
Only those who don't like Serena will even consider this year in a purely negative sense. Just look at the people who voted 'SLUMP' and you have your answer.
God I hate pathetic polls like this. :mad:
GMTA :lol:

Denise4925
Sep 28th, 2005, 05:55 PM
The question asked is "So far what do you remember the most about Serena's 2005 year?" i.e. NOW - not in years to come which is why I said "slump". AO is a distant memory. If she'd done badly at the beginning and won the USO - my answer would have been "USO slam".

To answer the question in years to come what will be remembered - the answer is neither. Only those ppl who followed women's tennis closely in 2005 will remember her AO win without looking it up - and if they did follow it closely in 2005 (like those on this forum) they'll also remember her slump.

Nah - the only thing in women's tennis that will be remembered in years to come without looking it up is Kim's first grand slam - USO.
The question was designed that way to display Serena in the worst light possible. He knew if he said in years to come, what people would say. Therefore, being the troll that he is, he asked "so far..." Of course so far people remember what has been termed a slump, even though it should be qualified. But hey, whatever gets people's jollies off.

Anne K.
Sep 28th, 2005, 05:56 PM
:) Right now, a lot of people on this board only seem to take into account
Serena's results over the past 7-8 months, but believe me, her Slam win
in January will be long remembered. Winning a Slam is how all players are
measured in posterity, and 5, 10, or 50 years from now the 'slump' will be
forgotten; the Slam will be history! ;)

SelesFan70
Sep 28th, 2005, 05:57 PM
OMG...the poll is tied 51 votes each. :haha: Good thing I voted for her AO title.

serenafan08
Sep 28th, 2005, 05:57 PM
People can talk about her "slump" all they want - but the fact still remains the same: Lindsay, Amelie, Maria, Anastasia, and Svetlana didn't win a Slam this year. Serena did. Any player would take a Slam over a "consistent" year; that's what you play tennis for! You don't play just to be consistent - you want to win one of the four big titles of the year, and Serena did that.

justine&coria
Sep 28th, 2005, 06:50 PM
OMG : so many Serena's fans calling me "troll" because I gave my (bad) opinion about Serena's year, and because I dared ask everyone about it. :rolleyes:
I don't NEED to know what the Serena's fans (and every one) think, but it's just good to know : and isn't it the aim of a poll ?

And some people saying that in 2050, lots of people will remember that Serena won the AO in 2005 ! :rolleyes:
The way Serena's career is going isn't good at all. Even now, people are criticising her, saying that her actress/business/show-biz career isn't good for her tennis. She doesn't train enough, she's definitely not in shape (doesn't matter what many of her fans think), she's easily losing to low-ranked player. And, it's like she doesn't care that much, she doesn't put big effort to make things go better.

To those who think that in 50 years, we'll only remember the Slams. Well, I don't exactly think the same. What do many people remember about Hingis ? Very good and talented player, but who had to retire because she couldn't face the big-hitters. (I'm exagerating)

Of course, if Serena started the year with a slump and ended it with a win at the US Open, it'd be different. But, the way Serena is behaving makes me think it won't go better. That's why I think my question is quite relevant. She's not in the same position than Venus last year (at least to me).
Besides, her "slump" didn't start this year. Last year, she wasn't playing well too. If we don't count the AO (it's a big thing, I know), it's been two years that she hasn't done great things.

And for sure, players want to win the Slams : it's one of their big aims. But it's not a big drama if they don't : there are only 4 people or less who win them in a year. There's nothing to be ashamed of Sharapova's year. On the opposite, Serena's loss to some low-ranked players is truly embarassing.
Finally, I'm not the only one to think this way : to the one who wrote "look who are the people who voted the "slump" option", just count how many non-fans of Serena (not necessarily haters) voted for the "Grand Slam" option.

deja_entendu
Sep 28th, 2005, 06:54 PM
some people are so touchy. her slump is clearly what stands out because one has expected serena to win slams or at least tournaments and not lose before the quarterfinals every tournament. i don't understand how this is negative; it's REALITY and if anything it goes to show how good serena is that the expectations for her are so high

Denise4925
Sep 28th, 2005, 07:00 PM
OMG : so many Serena's fans calling me "troll" because I gave my (bad) opinion about Serena's year, and because I dared ask everyone about it. :rolleyes:
I don't NEED to know what the Serena's fans (and every one) think, but it's just good to know : and isn't it the aim of a poll ?

What did you expect? :rolleyes:

The way Serena's career is going isn't good at all.

Are you joking? :confused: Is there anyone else on tour with a Career Grand Slam and one of five to hold all four slams at the same time, plus 7 singles grand slam titles? She's on the all-time great list and she will be in the hall of fame if she quit tennis today. What the hell are you talking about?

To those who think that in 50 years, we'll only remember the Slams. Well, I don't exactly think the same. What do many people remember about Hingis ? Very good and talented player, but who had to retire because she couldn't face the big-hitters. (I'm exagerating)

They'll remember her slam wins and her great career. She will also be in the hall of fame.

Of course, if Serena started the year with a slump and ended it with a win at the US Open, it'd be different. But, the way Serena is behaving makes me think it won't go better. That's why I think my question is quite relevant. She's not in the same position than Venus last year (at least to me).
Besides, her "slump" didn't start this year. Last year, she wasn't playing well too. If we don't count the AO (it's a big thing, I know), it's been two years that she hasn't done great things.

You keep saying slump, but you don't mention the injuries she's had to overcome. How do you know how she's behaving? Do you live with her 24/7? I guess her slump started when she had her knee surgery in 2003, right? :rolleyes:

:lol: But, you have to count the AO because it happened.

And for sure, players want to win the Slams : it's one of their big aims. But it's not a big drama if they don't : there are only 4 people or less who win them in a year.
:smash: That's why it is a big drama. :haha:

RenaSlam.
Sep 28th, 2005, 07:12 PM
All even...:gasp:

Carmen Mairena
Sep 28th, 2005, 07:31 PM
I'm positive, and her Australian Open title still stands on top ;)

meyerpl
Sep 28th, 2005, 07:38 PM
I think she'll be remembered for all the reality T.V. shows she did this year. How does she find the time to do all that non-tennis stuff without getting out of shape, becoming more susceptible to injury, and having the quality of her play decline?

alfajeffster
Sep 28th, 2005, 07:43 PM
I remember the Australian Open, however, it's not a good memory, even though she won. I remember the sick feeling I got in my gut watching the horrible unforced error fest both she and Sharapova displayed in the semi. I say sick, because I had been used to a tighter, more accurate Serena, and seeing her scrambling all over the place looking like she had no clue about Sharapova's patterns was so tough for me to watch, I actually turned the TV off and missed the last few games of the match- sure that Serena would lose. It was difficult to see her struggling like that. The upside is she hung in there and gutsed it out- showing she still has that fight. After that, I knew that even if Davenport raced out to a lead in the final- Serena wasn't going to lose the match. I can't wait until she gets it back all the way.

CrossCourt~Rally
Sep 28th, 2005, 08:56 PM
:bounce:

Dexter
Sep 28th, 2005, 08:59 PM
I can't forget the AO, but most of all I remember her slump