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getright
Sep 26th, 2005, 09:58 PM
Top women tennis stars blasted
26/09/2005 11:58 - (SA)


Beijing - A quartet of leading women's seeds have copped heavy criticism for lethargic - or worse - non-performances at last week's China Open, an event blighted by a wave of pullouts and injuries.

With four former world number 1 players entered in the 32-woman draw at the Beijing tennis centre - all four with opening-round byes - the chances of survival of at least one into the final seemed assured.

But that's not how the week played out, with Lindsay Davenport pulling out before the tournament, Maria Sharapova quitting in a semi-final with injury and Venus and Serena Williams both failing to complete the week.

"I'm so disappointed that four WTA seeds have not finished the tournament and even pulled out as early as the second round," said tournament director Ekkehard Rathgeber.

"The withdrawals of seeds made me quite unhappy. Especially Venus and Serena Williams, they played just one match, with Venus wining hers."

The dissatisfied German warned: "We will take action next year to prevent the same thing happening."

Despite being four-times burned, Chinese sponsors are unlikely to close their chequebooks when it comes to attracting world-class talent to the tournament, which had no problems on the men's side a week earlier as world number 2 Rafael Nadal lifted the trophy.

"If we can invite top and second ranked players, we'll not choose the ninth or tenth," said the tournament boss, adding that world number 1 Sharapova bore no responsibility for her own injury pullout for a pectoral muscle problem and would surely be back on the VIP player guest list for 2006.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/More_Sport/0,,2-9-32_1806421,00.html

frenchie
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:06 PM
Top women tennis stars blasted
26/09/2005 11:58 - (SA)


Beijing - A quartet of leading women's seeds have copped heavy criticism for lethargic - or worse - non-performances at last week's China Open, an event blighted by a wave of pullouts and injuries.

With four former world number 1 players entered in the 32-woman draw at the Beijing tennis centre - all four with opening-round byes - the chances of survival of at least one into the final seemed assured.

But that's not how the week played out, with Lindsay Davenport pulling out before the tournament, Maria Sharapova quitting in a semi-final with injury and Venus and Serena Williams both failing to complete the week.

"I'm so disappointed that four WTA seeds have not finished the tournament and even pulled out as early as the second round," said tournament director Ekkehard Rathgeber.

"The withdrawals of seeds made me quite unhappy. Especially Venus and Serena Williams, they played just one match, with Venus wining hers."

The dissatisfied German warned: "We will take action next year to prevent the same thing happening."

Despite being four-times burned, Chinese sponsors are unlikely to close their chequebooks when it comes to attracting world-class talent to the tournament, which had no problems on the men's side a week earlier as world number 2 Rafael Nadal lifted the trophy.

"If we can invite top and second ranked players, we'll not choose the ninth or tenth," said the tournament boss, adding that world number 1 Sharapova bore no responsibility for her own injury pullout for a pectoral muscle problem and would surely be back on the VIP player guest list for 2006.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/More_Sport/0,,2-9-32_1806421,00.html

:rolleyes:
What do they want? Players playing on one leg! :confused:

ptkten
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:08 PM
ok.

If I was the tournament director, I'd be most angry at Lindsay since she didn't show up. But of course he says he's mad at Serena but she played and lost. She didn't pull out. You can't fault a player for losing. Why always more criticism for her?

jimbo mack
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:09 PM
lindsay, as much as i love her, should not have entered in the first place. it would have been her 4th consecutive tourny in a row

~Cherry*Blossom~
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:11 PM
What an idiot!! Serena lost the match, 9-7 in the tiebreak and is still trying to regain fitness!! Venus was injured in her first round match and needed treatment and Sharapova was injured in her match too!

deja_entendu
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:32 PM
:haha: drama

Tati & Dani
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:34 PM
3 of the 4 players played matches , so he can't blame them, i don't think they wanne play one match and then fake an injury and going home. If they don't wanna play and they will stay home.

Dawn Marie
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:36 PM
Oh hell no. This idiot is BLAMING (ESPECIALLY) V@S???


Venus played and had a injury, and Serena played and lost.

Then you have Lindsay who didn't even show up and Maria who quit after she was getting waxed!!

HELL NO! I hope this tourney director loses lots of money due to his own hate. What a racist bastard!!


We need more colorful people in this lily white establishment. Colorful people in power and position and not just playing tennis with ball and raquet.

I am glad he is angry.. lol. Maybe next year it will be worse.

Diesel
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:43 PM
*sigh* Venus and Serena always with the burden of women's tennis on their shoulders.

Albireo
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:46 PM
He needs to vent his anger at Larry "The Ostrich" Scott.

"Injuries? What injuries?"

Venusfan4EvEr
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:49 PM
How The Hell Can You Blame Venus And Serena Mostly, Davenport Didnt Even Show Up At Least They Played Matches, Venus Should Not Even Be Touched In This Matter Bec She Was Playing Great And Unfortunately Got Injured This T.d. Is Just A Racist Ass

venus_rulez
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:51 PM
It seems like Venus and Serena are being unfairly criticized surprise surprise. I say it a lot but it's worth saying again, it is funny to me how some people still don't understand why Venus and Serena continue and have always done exactly what they wanted to do.

Diesel
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:52 PM
Maybe they felt that some of the players just took the appearance fee and then tanked their matches? :shrug:

What is he basing this on? How can he doubt the integrity of certain players and not the others, and why would he even do this? I fail to see why he gives Maria a free pass and not Venus or Serena considering Serena's form was well known to all before she even entered the tournament. Venus was shown getting treatment on the court but Maria is not at fault for her injury?

From the images, the crowds seemed to enjoy both sisters so I'm not sure this director's words are so wise or sound concerning next year.

He has the right to be upset because of injuries, but he went too far and it just became a tantrum full of :bs:

tenn_ace
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:56 PM
wow, Williams fans found a new tournament to hate. Maybe, they'll be easy on IW next year...

Pureracket
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:58 PM
wow, Williams fans found a new tournament to hate. Maybe, they'll be easy on IW next year...Wow, tenn_ace hasn't found anyone outside of the WS to follow around.;)

StarDuvallGrant
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:00 PM
Wow, tenn_ace hasn't found anyone outside of the WS to follow around.;)

No one else captivates him so much :lol:

new-york
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:00 PM
especially Venus


geez....man, she won't break her legs for your tourny. hope they are all healthy.

tenn_ace
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:00 PM
Wow, tenn_ace hasn't found anyone outside of the WS to follow around.;)

I don't need to... you give plenty of reasons to stay devoted to you :angel:

volta
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:00 PM
wow, Williams fans found a new tournament to hate. Maybe, they'll be easy on IW next year...
and u found a new thread to show of ur stupidity maybe u can go easy on the other threads :wavey:

tenn_ace
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:02 PM
that was rude. boo.

terjw
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:09 PM
It's pretty understandable from his point of view. The injury situation and withdrawals is getting ridiculous. It's not the players fault they are getting injured though. I do feel sorry for the players, sponsors and organizers and fans. However the WTA are supposed to guarantee the presence of a number of top players in tier 1 and tier 2 events and apart from the slams it has become a joke. A lot of work goes into putting on these tournaments and the sponsors and organizers and fans are being let down.

The WTA ought to be very worried. I don't know what the answer is - but the WTA are going to lose sponsors and tournaments unless they do something about this problem. They ought to be very worried that a player like Kim who saved the day at Toronto and does everything and more that the WTA asks of her finds it is so much stress on her body that she's announced her retirement in 2 years time.

Lindsayfan32
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:11 PM
lindsay, as much as i love her, should not have entered in the first place. it would have been her 4th consecutive tourny in a row

Totally agree with you J - mack. I thought she was biting off more than she could chew so to speak. Lindsay's days of playing four weeks in row are numbered it didn't come as total surpise when she pulled out

Pureracket
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:12 PM
I don't need to... you give plenty of reasons to stay devoted to you :angel:We feel the same way.;)

Joana
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:19 PM
I understand his frustration, but I don't see what can be done. Obviously if a player is injured they're going to pull out and there's nothing you can do about it. And the "tanking" issue is really vague, no way you can really tell if someone tanked or not unless it was blatantly obvious, and punishing them all would be highly unfair.

crazyroberto6767
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:22 PM
He's getting frustrated with the players instead of the system. IMO that is ridiculous. He's thinking rather irrationally, especially with Venus who had to drop out of her two next tournaments. I highly doubt Vee, Rena, and Lindsay were scheming behind this guy's back to screw his tournament over. *I leave Maria out because she has been granted the privilege of being injured :rolleyes:* Also, if I'm not mistaken he's in it for the money. I'm assuming MOST of the tickets were bought upon hearing who would be in it. I highly doubt he lost that much money from the HORRIBLE deeds of these top players :rolleyes:

RenaSlam.
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:26 PM
that was rude. boo.
:rolleyes: at this :retard:

K-Dog
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:30 PM
This is another Anna case again. She is allowed to do whatever Maria wants and get away with it, but Serena loses to a home crowd favorite being injured, Venus wins and then gets injured and can't continue. Lindsay is kinda to blaim for her scheduling. She isn't injured, just taking precationary measures. This guy is a knob!! Yeah didn't Maria get booed by the crowd. At least Venus played and Serena gave it a better effort in the second set despite being in pain.

Meesh
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:16 AM
"The withdrawals of seeds made me quite unhappy. Especially Venus and Serena Williams, they played just one match, with Venus wining hers."

The dissatisfied German warned: "We will take action next year to prevent the same thing happening."

Yeah, with those comments top players will be swimming back to China to be at this tourney next year. :rolleyes:

alwayshingis
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:21 AM
Bad comments from the tournament director. Unprofessional. You can't blame players for injuries, any of them. Tournament Directors shouldn't be negative about their tournament, they should comment on the good things about. A positive attitude will make more fans and players want to come next year.

-VSR-
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:25 AM
I fucking hate people like this. Sharapova and Venus got injured. But Maria gets the benefit of the doubt, what an ass. Rot in hell, and I hope that the field is worse next year.

ampers&
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:33 AM
"The withdrawals of seeds made me quite unhappy. Especially Venus and Serena Williams, they played just one match, with Venus wining hers."

:rolleyes:...http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1676/bstard8oj.gif
He needs to get his facts straight before he starts playing the blame game.

"...adding that world number 1 Sharapova bore no responsibility for her own injury pullout for a pectoral muscle problem and would surely be back on the VIP player guest list for 2006."

Give me a fucking break. :rolleyes:
Serena and Venus bear most of the responsibility while the #1 ranked player in the world bears none?! Venus was injured, just like Sharapova, yet he finds no fault in Sharapova? Am I the only one that finds something wrong with this picture???

Shenanigans
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:37 AM
Well what he is basically saying is he does not believe these injuries are real. Also are the players payed appearence fees? If so what happens if they do pull out of the tourney are they do pull out during the tourney do they lose the money? This could be the reason he is pissed off.

Dawn Marie
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:45 AM
:rolleyes:...http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1676/bstard8oj.gif
He needs to get his facts straight before he starts playing the blame game.



Give me a fucking break. :rolleyes:
Serena and Venus bear most of the responsibility while the #1 ranked player in the world bears none?! Venus was injured, just like Sharapova, yet he finds no fault in Sharapova? Am I the only one that finds something wrong with this picture???

I find alot wrong with it and the more I think about it the more I want to talk to someone in charge about this.

Can anybody help me in finding out how to speak to this man's boss? Or to him, I will write or make phone calls I don't care. If we do something as a team then maybe heads will roll. This is a racist man, and I am glad V@S got paid and that his ass is mad that his plans didn't work out as he planned. I am sick of the lily white establishment and people still think their is no racism in tennis.

G_Slammed
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:54 AM
I await the response of Richard Williams...

twight6
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:56 AM
:rolleyes:

G_Slammed
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:59 AM
Top women tennis stars blasted???



Should read, "Top women tennis stars Venus and Serena Williams blasted".

borisy
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:01 AM
Sounds like they won't get any top players in the tournament next year :)

Infiniti2001
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:01 AM
*sigh* Venus and Serena always with the burden of women's tennis on their shoulders.


Yeah, I'm still wondering why Maria gets sympathy for her injury but Venus gets blamed. :shrug: :fiery: Which agency is responsible for this tournament ?? I just want to know if this is just blatant favouritism :tape:

terjw
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:32 AM
Yeah, I'm still wondering why Maria gets sympathy for her injury but Venus gets blamed. :shrug: :fiery: Which agency is responsible for this tournament ?? I just want to know if this is just blatant favouritism :tape:

Well from what has been reported - Maria withdrew during a match which most independant commentators could see she was in agony, strapped up and unable to serve or play at anything more than about 60%.

Lindsey, Venus and Serena withdrew when you couldn't actually see their condition. So I think that's why he is giving the OK to Maria and not the others.

Don't get me wrong - I'm just trying to see it from his point of view. No way am I trying to say the players weren't genuinely injured. But I think a lot of you are going overboard about this - just as he went a bit too far with his comments. To suggest he is a racist is absurd - especially as Lindsey doesn't escape his criticism (although not singled out so much). It's such a shame for all the ppl who put in work to make the tournament happen.

crazyroberto6767
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:37 AM
"The withdrawals of seeds made me quite unhappy. Especially Venus and Serena Williams, they played just one match, with Venus wining hers."

Lindsay was generally left out, as if the guy was indifferent to her. I definitely see how people are getting racism, or how the director is using the Williams Sisters as scapegoats. The guy obviously wasn't watching tennis at his own tournament if he couldn't see that Vee was injured. She took an injury time out and closed out her match. Serena lost, it happens, and if the director knew anything about her form lately he shouldn't be that surprised. I can see why he's frustrated, but he's going about it in all the wrong ways.

Pureracket
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:38 AM
Well from what has been reported - Maria withdrew during a match which most independant commentators could see she was in agony, strapped up and unable to serve or play at anything more than about 60%.

Lindsey, Venus and Serena withdrew when you couldn't actually see their condition. So I think that's why he is giving the OK to Maria and not the others.

Don't get me wrong - I'm just trying to see it from his point of view. No way am I trying to say the players weren't genuinely injured. But I think a lot of you are going overboard about this - just as he went a bit too far with his comments. To suggest he is a racist is absurd - especially as Lindsey doesn't escape his criticism (although not singled out so much). It's such a shame for all the ppl who put in work to make the tournament happen.Serena didn't withdraw. Now, can you understand why people are going overboard? It's because people already(even subconsciously like yours) have it out for certain players.

thrust
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:42 AM
The sad fact is that women^s tennis is a mess! Whatever the reason the WTA needs to get it^s act together, and soon.

Justeenium
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:43 AM
williams fans:rolleyes: throwing race cards again, what's new?

Dawn Marie
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:45 AM
I am going to find his phone number and I am also going to call the tournament. I am going to dig but right now I don't feel like it. I am off work tomorrow I will try to find something tomorrow. This man is CLEARLY a RACIST lily white power player in the establsihment.

fammmmedspin
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:45 AM
Well what he is basically saying is he does not believe these injuries are real. Also are the players payed appearence fees? If so what happens if they do pull out of the tourney are they do pull out during the tourney do they lose the money? This could be the reason he is pissed off.

What he says is that the number 10 ranked player won't get an invite next year which is bizarre as he needs top ranked players. and it could be anyone next year. What he is really saying is that Serena won't (she is ranked about 10) and Venus probably won't. The reason is that they can't manage to turn up fit or avoid injury if they do turn up. I suspect given the history of 2005and how many times this has happened a lot of tournament directors will be drawing the same conclusion as he isn't the only one to have the sisters withdraw on him. By labelling Serena as number 10 he implies she is no longer that important and won't be missed.

Its odd to mention Serena (number 10) and stay he will still have number1 and 2 because Lindsay was just as bad a choice for him. She played a lower tier tournament, won it and then withdrew injured and didn't even turn up to his higher Tier. Thats bad scheduling from his and the WTA's point of view - he should be complaining about that too and winning the week before is a less convincing symptom of injury than anything the sisters produced.

Basically he wants someone who will turn up and play - well. Expect a big appearance fee for Kim next year or some reliable Russian if they are not defending the Fed Cup again.

Dawn Marie
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:50 AM
williams fans:rolleyes: throwing race cards again, what's new?

People who claim that an obvious LILY WHITE establishment and fans of two powerful top talented althletes complain when the establishment displays their bias. Always STATE " williams fans throwing race cards again"


are usually the RACIST and CLOSED MINDED fools of the world.

Before you state that people are throwing the race card why don't you read articles. I bet you think tennis has no racism in it. If you state yes it does then shut the fuck up and let some of us discuss it.

Pureracket
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:52 AM
People who claim that an obvious LILY WHITE establishment and fans of two powerful top talented althletes complain when the establishment displays their bias. Always STATE " williams fans throwing race cards again"


are usually the RACIST and CLOSED MINDED fools of the world.

Before you state that people are throwing the race card why don't you read articles. I bet you think tennis has no racism in it. If you state yes it does then shut the fuck up and let some of us discuss it.I can't believe you're actually wasting time with Justeenium. *Attention Whore*

Venusfan4EvEr
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:55 AM
this guy must be the most ingnorant dumbass ive ever seen, serena shouldnt be blamed bec she played even though she sucked it up, venus was def injured and would not fake it just to get out of the tournament, sharapova i think was injured too all though there is some debate on that, if anything it should be davenport who takes the blame if there is any blame to go around which i dont think there is, its just unfortuante and hes not doing himself any favors for next year by bashing 4 of the top players in tennis. This is gonna bite him in the ass eventually

~ The Leopard ~
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:58 AM
Drama on wtaworld. :drool:

Dawn Marie
Sep 27th, 2005, 02:02 AM
I can't believe you're actually wasting time with Justeenium. *Attention Whore*

Thanks for the head up, Pureracket.:)

Knizzle
Sep 27th, 2005, 02:48 AM
wow, Williams fans found a new tournament to hate. Maybe, they'll be easy on IW next year...

You know what tenn_ace, FUCK you, you act as if Venus and Serena fans just up and randomly picked IW as a tournament they don't like as if nothing happened. Then you say we now hate the China Open when that isn't the case. Just ignore that the tournament director is clearly laying the bulk of his blame and animosity on Venus and Serena while giving the other players a pass. I wonder why that is? :rolleyes:

dreamgoddess099
Sep 27th, 2005, 03:10 AM
Yeah, with those comments top players will be swimming back to China to be at this tourney next year. :rolleyes:
Yep, this dumb fuck is only burning bridges. His tournament will need them long before they'll need it. If he's going to accuse them of flying all the way to China just to tank matches, then he deserves it when they boycott his tournament next year.

Justeenium
Sep 27th, 2005, 03:11 AM
People who claim that an obvious LILY WHITE establishment and fans of two powerful top talented althletes complain when the establishment displays their bias. Always STATE " williams fans throwing race cards again"

.
:rolleyes: you don't even know the man who was quoted. Why didn't you just call him a williams hater if you don't like what he said. how do you know this guy is racist
are usually the competent and OPEN MINDED individuals of the world.
fixed

Before you state that people are throwing the race card why don't you read articles. I bet you think tennis has no racism in it. If you state yes it does then shut the fuck up and let some of us discuss it
Tennis has a lot of racism in it. Most of it comes from Williams fans.

Infiniti2001
Sep 27th, 2005, 03:17 AM
Well from what has been reported - Maria withdrew during a match which most independant commentators could see she was in agony, strapped up and unable to serve or play at anything more than about 60%.

Lindsey, Venus and Serena withdrew when you couldn't actually see their condition. So I think that's why he is giving the OK to Maria and not the others.

Don't get me wrong - I'm just trying to see it from his point of view. No way am I trying to say the players weren't genuinely injured. But I think a lot of you are going overboard about this - just as he went a bit too far with his comments. To suggest he is a racist is absurd - especially as Lindsey doesn't escape his criticism (although not singled out so much). It's such a shame for all the ppl who put in work to make the tournament happen.


If the tournament director did not have a cucumber up his ass he'd know that Serena did not withdraw :rolleyes: Venus was moving gingerly from the 2nd set and took a time out for treatment-- she still finished her match. In fact she's pulled out of her next 2 tournaments, so why exactly is he ragging on her?? The sisters are clearly being singled out and it's just wrong. :mad:

Mother_Marjorie
Sep 27th, 2005, 03:23 AM
Top women tennis stars blasted
26/09/2005 11:58 -
"The withdrawals of seeds made me quite unhappy. Especially Venus and Serena Williams, they played just one match, with Venus wining hers."

The dissatisfied German warned: "We will take action next year to prevent the same thing happening."

Serena lost her match, as though she lost it on purpose???????? Venus was injured...........WTF is his problem???????

Instead of attacking the players that draw fans, he could become part of the solution and not the problem by rallying the WTA to reduce the number of tournaments for the players so they don't come to Beijing dog tired and injured.

I hope all the top players read this article and boycott the tournament next year. Interesting that he singled out Venus and Serena. I'm sure he is racist.

Belco
Sep 27th, 2005, 03:32 AM
wow interesting

DutchieGirl
Sep 27th, 2005, 04:12 AM
The guy seems pretty bitter - dude when players are injured, they are injured. What does he expect? :rolleyes:

DomenicDemaria
Sep 27th, 2005, 04:31 AM
I think it was wrong of him to attack the Williams sisters. I guarantee if Maria was winning she would not have retired. I am saying Maria was not injured, she was. I think Maria was foolish to try and play in the first place. Injuries don't just get better. They need rest and playing injuried is not gonna help .Why is he balming Serena? He should blame TianTian for beating her! :lol: How dare he attack Venus. If she was not injured she would not have withdraw. Remember Wimbledon 2003? I am sure Venus does not want an injury to take her out like that one did. I agree with lindsay withdrawing. I expected it. Playing 4 weeks in a row was bad scheduling on her part. The guy in loony in thinking that injuries can be controlled and how can you balm players for injuries!!!

pav
Sep 27th, 2005, 05:44 AM
I've always found it bloody hard to pull out,and the longer You leave it the harder it becomes :fiery:

Knizzle
Sep 27th, 2005, 05:59 AM
I've always found it bloody hard to pull out,and the longer You leave it the harder it becomes :fiery::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 27th, 2005, 06:05 AM
Something tells me this guy will need to make a public apology. He is totally out of line for his comments. I hope ALL the top players boycott this tournament next year.

Stamp Paid
Sep 27th, 2005, 06:05 AM
Im sorry, but the greatest player since Graf deserves more respect than this.

K-Dog
Sep 27th, 2005, 06:07 AM
Im sorry, but the greatest player since Graf deserves more respect than this.

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!:worship:

terjw
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:51 AM
Serena didn't withdraw. Now, can you understand why people are going overboard? It's because people already(even subconsciously like yours) have it out for certain players.

Sorry about the Serena withdrew statement - my bad.:o
One other thing though - the article said the tournament has been 4 times burned. Anyone know what happened the previous three years with withdrawals? Have Venus and Serena a history of withdrawing from this tournament?

Having said that - I think if I were a tournament director I know I would feel much more certain if I had Kim or Maria that they were actually going to play than if I had Lindsey, Venus or Serena. I'd be very nervous with those last three now.

Also we all know Venus and Serena live for slams. I don't think they are really that bothered about other tournaments. I think if they have to withdraw it's just one of those things to them. If someone like Kim withdraws - she really feels bad for the organisers and fans about it. I remember ppl here criticising Kim for playing at too much and playing at Toronto. She told us she'd been hard designated to play. It was amazing that everyone was saying they didn't buy that - withdraw and tell the WTA to stuff it or tank the first match or say you are injured. Well other players might not be bothered about that - but Kim would be. I think Maria is more like Kim than the sisters here. If you are a tornament director - you remember the players you think are really going to put their heart into it.

As to a general boycott next year - I don't think so. I mean Venus and Serena won't play at Miami but they haven't managed to drag any other players into boycotting that. Shouldn't think Venus and Serena will be back though. If Maria doesn't come back it might be because the crowd booed her - but I think she'll be back.

Jakeev
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:59 AM
Hmm what a slap in the face to the winner and runnerup of the tournament, not to mention the Chinese nationals who competed in the event.

It's like I have said before, it's an absolute shame that women's tennis as a whole is not promoted.

hingis-seles
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:40 AM
No one tells these top girls what to do. They're stars. They do whatever the fuck they want and the tournament director smiles and bears with it because he needs them to make his tournament a success. This guy just royally screwed himself over.

furrykitten
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:59 AM
What do these idiots expect, players to play on when they are injured and risk months out?. Maria should never have started her match with Maria K if she knew she was in a bad way before.

DomenicDemaria
Sep 27th, 2005, 11:17 AM
Sorry about the Serena withdrew statement - my bad.:o
One other thing though - the article said the tournament has been 4 times burned. Anyone know what happened the previous three years with withdrawals? Have Venus and Serena a history of withdrawing from this tournament?

Having said that - I think if I were a tournament director I know I would feel much more certain if I had Kim or Maria that they were actually going to play than if I had Lindsey, Venus or Serena. I'd be very nervous with those last three now.

Also we all know Venus and Serena live for slams. I don't think they are really that bothered about other tournaments. I think if they have to withdraw it's just one of those things to them. If someone like Kim withdraws - she really feels bad for the organisers and fans about it. I remember ppl here criticising Kim for playing at too much and playing at Toronto. She told us she'd been hard designated to play. It was amazing that everyone was saying they didn't buy that - withdraw and tell the WTA to stuff it or tank the first match or say you are injured. Well other players might not be bothered about that - but Kim would be. I think Maria is more like Kim than the sisters here. If you are a tornament director - you remember the players you think are really going to put their heart into it.

As to a general boycott next year - I don't think so. I mean Venus and Serena won't play at Miami but they haven't managed to drag any other players into boycotting that. Shouldn't think Venus and Serena will be back though. If Maria doesn't come back it might be because the crowd booed her - but I think she'll be back.


I have to disagree with you. Maria was in no shape to play. She chould have made her injury worse. I think Kim is stupid if she wants to put the organisers and fans before her body. I would rather see a player out for a couple of weeks rather than 6 months to a year coz they made their injury worse by playing.

crazyroberto6767
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:26 PM
Sorry about the Serena withdrew statement - my bad.:o
One other thing though - the article said the tournament has been 4 times burned. Anyone know what happened the previous three years with withdrawals? Have Venus and Serena a history of withdrawing from this tournament?

Having said that - I think if I were a tournament director I know I would feel much more certain if I had Kim or Maria that they were actually going to play than if I had Lindsey, Venus or Serena. I'd be very nervous with those last three now.

Also we all know Venus and Serena live for slams. I don't think they are really that bothered about other tournaments. I think if they have to withdraw it's just one of those things to them. If someone like Kim withdraws - she really feels bad for the organisers and fans about it. I remember ppl here criticising Kim for playing at too much and playing at Toronto. She told us she'd been hard designated to play. It was amazing that everyone was saying they didn't buy that - withdraw and tell the WTA to stuff it or tank the first match or say you are injured. Well other players might not be bothered about that - but Kim would be. I think Maria is more like Kim than the sisters here. If you are a tornament director - you remember the players you think are really going to put their heart into it.

As to a general boycott next year - I don't think so. I mean Venus and Serena won't play at Miami but they haven't managed to drag any other players into boycotting that. Shouldn't think Venus and Serena will be back though. If Maria doesn't come back it might be because the crowd booed her - but I think she'll be back.
I disagree. First of all I would put Lindsay more with Kim and Maria, then with Vee and Rena at the moment. It's Indian Wells that the Williams sisters won't play, and that is by far a bigger tournament than the China Open. If the tournament director is going by history, he should be praising Serena. She won it last year, and most definitely brought up ticket sales. People love to watch Serena, especially when she's winning and she did that last year for the director. You manage to bring Kim into everything, which is fine :), but it just so happens she's the healthy one right now. It's not always going to be like that, and when Vee and Rena are healthy they play and get far in all their committed tournaments.

Carmen Mairena
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:28 PM
Stupid tournament directors :rolleyes: But at least this one speaks what he thinks. Still :rolleyes:

Rising Sun
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:36 PM
Just proves that all this tourney director (and many others) care about is $$$. :rolleyes:

Doesn't give a damn about local players nor upcoming players. Sad...

new-york
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:44 PM
let's all agree that he was not fortunate, but if the players are not healthy enough to play, they shouldn't.

AsGoodAsNew
Sep 27th, 2005, 12:46 PM
I find alot wrong with it and the more I think about it the more I want to talk to someone in charge about this.

Can anybody help me in finding out how to speak to this man's boss? Or to him, I will write or make phone calls I don't care. If we do something as a team then maybe heads will roll. This is a racist man, and I am glad V@S got paid and that his ass is mad that his plans didn't work out as he planned. I am sick of the lily white establishment and people still think their is no racism in tennis.
If you're serious you need to get a life. The man was just letting off steam. Funny how when someone hints at criticism of a black person they are racist, but when someone describes another as being 'lily white' is not. But it still wouldn't move me to dwell on it and need to phone up the man's boss! That is stalking! :lol:

Infiniti2001
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:51 PM
Sorry about the Serena withdrew statement - my bad.:o
One other thing though - the article said the tournament has been 4 times burned. Anyone know what happened the previous three years with withdrawals? Have Venus and Serena a history of withdrawing from this tournament?

Having said that - I think if I were a tournament director I know I would feel much more certain if I had Kim or Maria that they were actually going to play than if I had Lindsey, Venus or Serena. I'd be very nervous with those last three now.

Also we all know Venus and Serena live for slams. I don't think they are really that bothered about other tournaments. I think if they have to withdraw it's just one of those things to them. If someone like Kim withdraws - she really feels bad for the organisers and fans about it. I remember ppl here criticising Kim for playing at too much and playing at Toronto. She told us she'd been hard designated to play. It was amazing that everyone was saying they didn't buy that - withdraw and tell the WTA to stuff it or tank the first match or say you are injured. Well other players might not be bothered about that - but Kim would be. I think Maria is more like Kim than the sisters here. If you are a tornament director - you remember the players you think are really going to put their heart into it.

As to a general boycott next year - I don't think so. I mean Venus and Serena won't play at Miami but they haven't managed to drag any other players into boycotting that. Shouldn't think Venus and Serena will be back though. If Maria doesn't come back it might be because the crowd booed her - but I think she'll be back.

You're obsession with Kim is clouding your judgement here. This has absolutely nothing to do with her DAMMIT!!! The tournament director is way out of place and that's all there is to it. :fiery: And you really need to get your facts straight. Venus and Serena ALWAYs play in Miami unless injured. :rolleyes: They both have won the tournament 3 times each.

In the words of pureracquet " people already(even subconsciously like yours) have it out for certain players."

terjw
Sep 27th, 2005, 08:44 PM
I disagree. First of all I would put Lindsay more with Kim and Maria, then with Vee and Rena at the moment. It's Indian Wells that the Williams sisters won't play, and that is by far a bigger tournament than the China Open. If the tournament director is going by history, he should be praising Serena. She won it last year, and most definitely brought up ticket sales. People love to watch Serena, especially when she's winning and she did that last year for the director. You manage to bring Kim into everything, which is fine :), but it just so happens she's the healthy one right now. It's not always going to be like that, and when Vee and Rena are healthy they play and get far in all their committed tournaments.

I always meant Indian Wells not Miami. Anyway my post was really just trying to look at it from his point of view and also to give a possible reason why he singled the sisters out (which is why I brought Kim into this).

I wouldn't expect any TD to have much sympathy for the players. It's rather like missing an important meeting with a customer at work through illness. It's genuine but your boss isn't thinking of you - he's thinking of work and that he's been let down. And the article says the sponsors have been four times burned!! Also from any tournament organizer's point of view wouldn't you be fuming if you read those posts for Kim to withdraw and tell the WTA to stuff it or tank the first match or say you are injured.

As to why this TD singled out the sisters - It's a bit disappointing he mentioned Serena now you've told me that Serena won last year (plus she didn't pull out through injury). Nevertheless I think he does believe that Serena really didn't bother much this tournament in her preparation for it. It is widely believed that the sisters aren't that bothered about ordinary tournament and their main focus is on the slams - so I think that's the reason. Like my analogy at work. I think someone like Kim would feel bad about letting the boss down. Whereas Venus is like - I had to take time off I was ill. Therefore TDs wil have a view on players they think are more likeyly to play whether they say it or not.

I'm just giving a possible reason. I don't buy the other reason proposed - that he is a racist - for one minute.

Finally the withdrawals situation has got bad - and it's inevitable we are going to get TDs angry and shouting there mouths off and blaming players. As pointed out - it's not the players fault if they are injured. It is a real problem now - and the WTA could lose sponsors.

SJW
Sep 27th, 2005, 08:47 PM
cry me a fuckin river

Pureracket
Sep 27th, 2005, 08:56 PM
I always meant Indian Wells not Miami. Anyway my post was really just trying to look at it from his point of view and also to give a possible reason why he singled the sisters out (which is why I brought Kim into this).

I wouldn't expect any TD to have much sympathy for the players. It's rather like missing an important meeting with a customer at work through illness. It's genuine but your boss isn't thinking of you - he's thinking of work and that he's been let down. And the article says the sponsors have been four times burned!! Also from any tournament organizer's point of view wouldn't you be fuming if you read those posts for Kim to withdraw and tell the WTA to stuff it or tank the first match or say you are injured.

As to why this TD singled out the sisters - It's a bit disappointing he mentioned Serena now you've told me that Serena won last year (plus she didn't pull out through injury). Nevertheless I think he does believe that Serena really didn't bother much this tournament in her preparation for it. It is widely believed that the sisters aren't that bothered about ordinary tournament and their main focus is on the slams - so I think that's the reason. Like my analogy at work. I think someone like Kim would feel bad about letting the boss down. Whereas Venus is like - I had to take time off I was ill. Therefore TDs wil have a view on players they think are more likeyly to play whether they say it or not.

I'm just giving a possible reason. I don't buy the other reason proposed - that he is a racist - for one minute.

Finally the withdrawals situation has got bad - and it's inevitable we are going to get TDs angry and shouting there mouths off and blaming players. As pointed out - it's not the players fault if they are injured. It is a real problem now - and the WTA could lose sponsors.Ok.. . you've asserted that you don't know what in the hell is going on. Please don't try to use speculation and hearsay as your way of making a point. "It is widely believed. . . ." That's BS. Obviously, you're attempting to speak from a point of knowledge, but you don't have the grounds.

Your rationale for why this isn't racism is not very substantitive @ all.

SelesFan70
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:12 PM
If his issue is about paying appearance fees...he has two options:

1. Don't pay appearance fees
2. Pro-rate the appearance fee for how far the players actually get in the tournament.

terjw
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:19 PM
Ok.. . you've asserted that you don't know what in the hell is going on. Please don't try to use speculation and hearsay as your way of making a point. "It is widely believed. . . ." That's BS. Obviously, you're attempting to speak from a point of knowledge, but you don't have the grounds.

Your rationale for why this isn't racism is not very substantitive @ all.

Well sorreeee - but that is what you sisters fans keep telling us - slams are the only thing that matter. Plus the sisters have never played many tournaments in a year. So about turn is it - they really rate all these other tournaments? Well you won't be able to use that as the reason Kim won Stanford then. :haha:

Anyway you go on in your own little world believing that everyone who doesn't think the sisters are wonderful in every way is a racist. :rolleyes:

Infiniti2001
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:22 PM
Well sorreeee - but that is what you sisters fans keep telling us - slams are the only thing that matter. Plus the sisters have never played many tournaments in a year. So about turn is it - they really rate all these other tournaments? Well you won't be able to use that as the reason Kim won Stanford then. :haha:

Anyway you go on in your own little world believing that everyone who doesn't think the sisters are wonderful in every way is a racist. :rolleyes:


Finally you have the balls to show who you really are :tape:

Knizzle
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:23 PM
Well sorreeee - but that is what you sisters fans keep telling us - slams are the only thing that matter. Plus the sisters have never played many tournaments in a year. So about turn is it - they really rate all these other tournaments? Well you won't be able to use that as the reason Kim won Stanford then. :haha:

Anyway you go on in your own little world believing that everyone who doesn't think the sisters are wonderful in every way is a racist. :rolleyes:

What I'm trying to figure out is why they get singled out when everyone else gets a pass. OVER and OVER and OVER again.

SJW
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:28 PM
Well sorreeee - but that is what you sisters fans keep telling us - slams are the only thing that matter. Plus the sisters have never played many tournaments in a year. So about turn is it - they really rate all these other tournaments? Well you won't be able to use that as the reason Kim won Stanford then. :haha:

Anyway you go on in your own little world believing that everyone who doesn't think the sisters are wonderful in every way is a racist. :rolleyes:

so once you've been exposed to not have the foggiest on what you're talking about, you start getting personal. :scratch:

asshole.

Kart
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:37 PM
"I'm so disappointed that four WTA seeds have not finished the tournament and even pulled out as early as the second round," said tournament director Ekkehard Rathgeber.

"The withdrawals of seeds made me quite unhappy. Especially Venus and Serena Williams, they played just one match, with Venus wining hers."

I was quite in agreement with his feeling disappointed until ...


"If we can invite top and second ranked players, we'll not choose the ninth or tenth," said the tournament boss, adding that world number 1 Sharapova bore no responsibility for her own injury pullout for a pectoral muscle problem and would surely be back on the VIP player guest list for 2006.


.... rather a double standard from where I'm watching :(.

charmedRic
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:41 PM
lindsay, as much as i love her, should not have entered in the first place. it would have been her 4th consecutive tourny in a row

Ditto. :wavey:

Pureracket
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:51 PM
Anyway you go on in your own little world believing that everyone who doesn't think the sisters are wonderful in every way is a racist. :rolleyes:Ok, you can go on and admit it now. . .you are trying to see how you can bait somebody into one of your little spats. Believe me, if I weren't so overwhelmed with paperwork right now on top of planning tactics for my tennis match this evening, I'd get down in the pit of your little verbal squalor with you, and humour you.

Suggesting that I am in a "little world" is a classic attempt by idiots like you who think they are in power to try to minimize the issues of anybody who slightly disagrees with you. I never called anybody in this situation a racist; however, your decision to jump to that conclusion in no way makes you right. It simply further proves that you are talking out of your ass.:lol:

Pureracket
Sep 27th, 2005, 09:53 PM
Well sorreeee - but that is what you sisters fans keep telling us - slams are the only thing that matter. Plus the sisters have never played many tournaments in a year. So about turn is it - they really rate all these other tournaments? Well you won't be able to use that as the reason Kim won Stanford then. :haha:

Anyway you go on in your own little world believing that everyone who doesn't think the sisters are wonderful in every way is a racist. :rolleyes:*TROLL ALERT*

controlfreak
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:06 PM
The dissatisfied German warned: "We will take action next year to prevent the same thing happening."

Chinese burns!

Volcana
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:18 PM
ok.

If I was the tournament director, I'd be most angry at Lindsay since she didn't show up. But of course he says he's mad at Serena but she played and lost. She didn't pull out. You can't fault a player for losing. Why always more criticism for her?She sells more tickets. If I was the tournament director, I'd be most disappointed at losing Venus and Serena too.

Stamp Paid
Sep 27th, 2005, 10:19 PM
I blame Serena. She unleashed this monster in June of 2004. :fiery:

I dont think I'll ever forgive her. :lol: