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croat123
Sep 25th, 2005, 11:56 PM
"Iím not disappointed because it was great for me to reach a final after so long," Sprem said. "I havenít had a very good year, so for me to do well here it gives me a lot of confidence and makes me believe I can get back to where I was in 2004. I donít think I did too much wrong today; Anastasia was just too good me, and she deserved to win. I think maybe I was rushing to finish the points too quickly, but that was because she forced me into playing this way."

:wavey:

new-york
Sep 25th, 2005, 11:57 PM
nice. and for the question....i think you want to tell...mmmm.

AjdeNate!
Sep 26th, 2005, 12:02 AM
Ajmo Keekee! :hearts:

RenaSlam.
Sep 26th, 2005, 12:04 AM
Ajmo to losing gracefully.

Rocketta
Sep 26th, 2005, 12:14 AM
I'm sorry don't mean to be mean to K-lina but since the thread starter needs to put other players down to make K-lina's remark seem somehow more I must point out that it's a lot easier to be gracious when you know you are not the best player and was only "hoping" to win as oppose to knowing you should win. :shrug:

Spunky83
Sep 26th, 2005, 01:20 AM
"Iím not disappointed because it was great for me to reach a final after so long," Sprem said. "I havenít had a very good year, so for me to do well here it gives me a lot of confidence and makes me believe I can get back to where I was in 2004. I donít think I did too much wrong today; Anastasia was just too good me, and she deserved to win. I think maybe I was rushing to finish the points too quickly, but that was because she forced me into playing this way."

:wavey:

Thank you :worship: There are too many players (and posters) who just think that youīre only losing to Myskina when you hit too many unforced errors. Itīs maybe not the coolest and most beautiful way to play, but at least itīs an efficient game plan against hardhitters.

!!!--Duizô--!!!
Sep 26th, 2005, 01:23 AM
KeeKee!

Derek.
Sep 26th, 2005, 01:30 AM
I'm sorry don't mean to be mean to K-lina but since the thread starter needs to put other players down to make K-lina's remark seem somehow more I must point out that it's a lot easier to be gracious when you know you are not the best player and was only "hoping" to win as oppose to knowing you should win. :shrug:

:rolleyes:

faboozadoo15
Sep 26th, 2005, 01:42 AM
I'm sorry don't mean to be mean to K-lina but since the thread starter needs to put other players down to make K-lina's remark seem somehow more I must point out that it's a lot easier to be gracious when you know you are not the best player and was only "hoping" to win as oppose to knowing you should win. :shrug:
where did this thread starter "put other players down to make K-lina's remark seem somehow more"???

another thing-- i don't know where you come from or how you were raised, but GRACE is not a conditional quantity. you can't say-- it's easier to be raceful here, here, and here-- ergo, we can excuse ungraceful behavior here, here, and here. it's just a retarded argument, plain and simple. but i don't know why i'm surprised :rolleyes:

switz
Sep 26th, 2005, 01:45 AM
definitely nice comments but it would be interesting to see her reaction if she was routed in the final after playing like she did last year.

i used to find Sprem annoying because of the associated over the top hype she got but now that has died down she has grown on me and i hope she gets things back on track.

Amjo K-lina!! (lol that's the first time i've ever called her that)

Derek.
Sep 26th, 2005, 01:47 AM
where did this thread starter "put other players down to make K-lina's remark seem somehow more"???

another thing-- i don't know where you come from or how you were raised, but GRACE is not a conditional quantity. you can't say-- it's easier to be raceful here, here, and here-- ergo, we can excuse ungraceful behavior here, here, and here. it's just a retarded argument, plain and simple. but i don't know why i'm surprised :rolleyes:

:bowdown:

Dawn Marie
Sep 26th, 2005, 01:50 AM
Maybe Myskina learned from Sprem when she beat Sprem. Myskina learned how to win and Sprem learned how to lose gracefully. Nobody actually lost this match.

deja_entendu
Sep 26th, 2005, 01:54 AM
wonder why crackheadda is so defensive, tell us sweetie we can help!

hablo
Sep 26th, 2005, 01:55 AM
Maybe Myskina learned from Sprem when she beat Sprem. Myskina learned how to win and Sprem learned how to lose gracefully. Nobody actually lost this match.

:lol:

Sharapova's_Boy
Sep 26th, 2005, 02:05 AM
K-Lina :hearts:

Rocketta
Sep 26th, 2005, 02:36 AM
where did this thread starter "put other players down to make K-lina's remark seem somehow more"???

another thing-- i don't know where you come from or how you were raised, but GRACE is not a conditional quantity. you can't say-- it's easier to be raceful here, here, and here-- ergo, we can excuse ungraceful behavior here, here, and here. it's just a retarded argument, plain and simple. but i don't know why i'm surprised :rolleyes:

oh please.....all the thread starter had to say was great comments by Sprem instead of insinuating that other players aren't gracious in defeat.

another thing.......it's easy to be gracious when you don't expect to win and you are happy to just be in the final because you are still happy because you made it to the final......for the first time in like forever and I base this opinion on the fact that Sprem says, "Iím not disappointed because it was great for me to reach a final after so long,"

so I can say it's easier to be graceful because one, "it's my opinion." and two, "because the person practically tells you they are happy to make it that far." Get back to me when results improve and she loses to someone who she's not expected to lose to.

It's funny the crying you're doing because I never said she wasn't gracious just that it's dumb to bring up other players and compare the situations. :lol:

Rocketta
Sep 26th, 2005, 02:38 AM
wonder why crackheadda is so defensive, tell us sweetie we can help!

aren't you the crybaby that whines everytime infiniti replies to your posts? :lol:

I guess you like being the stalker and not the stalked. :haha:

Rtael
Sep 26th, 2005, 02:40 AM
Rcoketta: fuck off. I don't know who shat in your cereal this morning, and frankly I don't care. I just want you to go away.

Rocketta
Sep 26th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Rcoketta: fuck off. I don't know who shat in your cereal this morning, and frankly I don't care. I just want you to go away.

rtael, BITE Me, you confuse this for your high school where someone might actually give a flip about your opinion of them. :D

Derek.
Sep 26th, 2005, 03:15 AM
rtael, BITE Me, you confuse this for your high school where someone might actually give a flip about your opinion of them. :D

LOL! :lol:

TF Chipmunk
Sep 26th, 2005, 03:16 AM
:tape:

Nice attitude Karolina :)

hingis-seles
Sep 26th, 2005, 03:20 AM
LoVIng Kiki :hearts:

Slumpsova
Sep 26th, 2005, 03:50 AM
good for her :D

~ The Leopard ~
Sep 26th, 2005, 04:00 AM
Nice answer.

~ The Leopard ~
Sep 26th, 2005, 04:02 AM
I'm just glad she's playing well. It's sad when a player with huge potential seems to be going off the career rails.

Martian KC
Sep 26th, 2005, 04:07 AM
Wait, where did KiKi come from?:p

Anyways, lovely words by K-Lina.:D

Rtael
Sep 26th, 2005, 04:25 AM
rtael, BITE Me, you confuse this for your high school where someone might actually give a flip about your opinion of them. :D



And who was it that you were thinking cared about YOUR opinion, dear?

Rocketta
Sep 26th, 2005, 04:29 AM
And who was it that you were thinking cared about YOUR opinion, dear?

me and that's all I post for. :wavey:

DevilishAttitude
Sep 26th, 2005, 07:42 AM
She's probably learned to being graceful after all her defeats this year. :tape:

Why did you lose to her Lena :mad:

faboozadoo15
Sep 26th, 2005, 06:33 PM
It's funny the crying you're doing because I never said she wasn't gracious just that it's dumb to bring up other players and compare the situations. :lol:
what the fuck are you talking about? where did anyone "bring up other players or compare the situations"? why are you so defensive.

and i'll say this again. grace is not quantitative. you either have it or you don't. i don't know how you were raised or where you come from, but i had once thought these sentiments were universal. you can't be 'somewhat graceful', in other words, 'graceful in some situations.'

Principessa
Sep 26th, 2005, 06:37 PM
Kiki :hearts:

Carmen Mairena
Sep 26th, 2005, 07:13 PM
Karolina :hug:

Rocketta
Sep 26th, 2005, 10:53 PM
what the fuck are you talking about? where did anyone "bring up other players or compare the situations"? why are you so defensive.

and i'll say this again. grace is not quantitative. you either have it or you don't. i don't know how you were raised or where you come from, but i had once thought these sentiments were universal. you can't be 'somewhat graceful', in other words, 'graceful in some situations.'

Geez, the thread title is "What players can learn from kiki: losing gracefully"

Explain the concept of having grace and needing to learn it from someone else at the same time? So if the thread starter thinks players need to learn this from Sprem he clearly thinks there are some who don't have it......which is bringing up other players in GENERAL.

and you can repeat your beliefs on being graceful until the cows come home, my opinion is that it's easy to be gracious when you are not disappointed in the loss and just happy to have made the final....

fyi, your belief that you either have grace or not is not shared by the thread starter who clearly think people can learn graciousness....which is why I was responding to his opinion and not yours....

WhatTheDeuce
Sep 26th, 2005, 11:04 PM
So if the thread starter thinks players need to learn this from Sprem he clearly thinks there are some who don't have it......which is bringing up other players in GENERAL.

Well, the reality of the situation is that some players dont have it. :retard: Your original post stated that the thread started had to "put other players down" in order to compliment Karolina's graciousness, and he did absolutely no such thing. Fans dont like when their faves are specifically accused of something bad, but now when no names are named, youre getting mad because he's putting down OTHER PLAYERS IN GENERAL? Thats ridiculous, and he did no such thing anyway.

and you can repeat your beliefs on being graceful until the cows come home, my opinion is that it's easy to be gracious when you are not disappointed in the loss and just happy to have made the final....

I agree wth faboo. You have grace or you dont. Obviously it may be easier for one to express graciousness in some situations than in others, and thats true for any player/person... but again, you have it or you dont.

croat123
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:19 AM
1) this thread wasn't made for you to analize the title for some deeper hidden meaning
2) "this thread starter" has commented on the way players behave after losing maybe 2 or 3 times before
3) i'm right
4) kiki is awesome

ampers&
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:33 AM
Who the fuck is Kiki? :unsure:

new-york
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:38 AM
Who the fuck is Kiki? :unsure:

:haha:

Crazy Canuck
Sep 27th, 2005, 01:52 AM
Rocketta :retard:

ezekiel
Sep 27th, 2005, 02:13 AM
She seems like a gentle person but there is probably no need to compare her to other players. She must feel relieved to have won some matches and it seems that's on her mind

Rocketta
Sep 27th, 2005, 03:08 AM
Rocketta :retard:
coming from you that's a compliment because the day we start thinking alike is the day I start :drink:

Rocketta
Sep 27th, 2005, 03:30 AM
Well, the reality of the situation is that some players dont have it. :retard: Your original post stated that the thread started had to "put other players down" in order to compliment Karolina's graciousness, and he did absolutely no such thing. Fans dont like when their faves are specifically accused of something bad, but now when no names are named, youre getting mad because he's putting down OTHER PLAYERS IN GENERAL? Thats ridiculous, and he did no such thing anyway.

actually it is a put down to insinuate that other players aren't gracious and can learn something from Sprem...and you need to look up the definition of mad because there hasn't been a post in here where i've even been anything close to mad. I wasn't the one that got mad. :lol:

For the last time.....the quote by Sprem is nice it is gracious but to prop it up as something that other players can learn from is ridiculous considering the situation/context that it was uttered in which is completely different than other contexts/situations that other players make statements that are deemed as not being gracious. If people think she would've uttered the same exact words if she was on a long winning streak and just lost to a player that she probably should beat...then so be it. I don't and I expressed that. The weird thing is some of you posters need for me to say all praise the queen of grace turned this discussion into a much longer discussion than it ever would've been.

It was a nice quote good for her.


I agree wth faboo. You have grace or you dont. Obviously it may be easier for one to express graciousness in some situations than in others, and thats true for any player/person... but again, you have it or you dont.

This doesn't have anything to do with me. :confused: :shrug:

WhatTheDeuce
Sep 27th, 2005, 03:35 AM
actually it is a put down to insinuate that other players aren't gracious and can learn something from Sprem...
No particularly player was mentioned, and the fact of the matter is, as I already said, that there are PLAYERS WHO ARENT GRACIOUS. So to suggest that players can learn from it is just the truth. I still dont see why you got so defensive about the issue in the first place;



This doesn't have anything to do with me. :confused: :shrug:
You and faboo were having a discussion about grace, and I gave my opinion about it. I dont know what the hell you mean by 'this has nothing to do with me' :retard:

Rocketta
Sep 27th, 2005, 04:11 AM
No particularly player was mentioned, and the fact of the matter is, as I already said, that there are PLAYERS WHO ARENT GRACIOUS. So to suggest that players can learn from it is just the truth. I still dont see why you got so defensive about the issue in the first place;




You and faboo were having a discussion about grace, and I gave my opinion about it. I dont know what the hell you mean by 'this has nothing to do with me' :retard:

Well that's your opinion that I was defensive about the subject, I see it as me giving my opinion on the thread. :shrug:

it has nothing to do with me because faboo was having a discussion about whether someone has grace or not but I wasn't.....as I tried to point out to him and you. I never gave an opinion on that one way or the other as that didn't have anything to do with my opinion about this quote..

deja_entendu
Sep 27th, 2005, 04:18 AM
For the last time.....the quote by Sprem is nice it is gracious but to prop it up as something that other players can learn from is ridiculous

um... it's like, not that serious :angel:

irma
Sep 27th, 2005, 04:26 AM
Don't we take pc's/interviews way too serious to judge a players character on that?

and this is not about Sprem but in general!

Diesel
Sep 27th, 2005, 05:13 AM
Losing graefully is fine -- go kiki :yeah:. I just hope my faves don't take kiki up on losing as the norm for the gracefully to kick in as some sort of plus.

Stamp Paid
Sep 27th, 2005, 05:17 AM
Kiki - thats cute. :lol:

WhatTheDeuce
Sep 27th, 2005, 02:09 PM
it has nothing to do with me because faboo was having a discussion about whether someone has grace or not but I wasn't.....as I tried to point out to him and you. I never gave an opinion on that one way or the other as that didn't have anything to do with my opinion about this quote..
Ummm... You and faboo were discussing the topic of grace, he wasnt having it by himself. :retard:

and you can repeat your beliefs on being graceful until the cows come home, my opinion is that it's easy to be gracious when you are not disappointed in the loss and just happy to have made the final....
:wavey:

Dawn Marie
Sep 27th, 2005, 03:11 PM
I haven't heard a thread about her graciousness until she drop down in rank and now is trying to find her form. If I heard threads about her graciousness when she was winning matches. I would be more inclined to believe that she is so gracious now and not only because she dropped down in rank and is now happy to just be in a final.

Really the only player that I can think of who could learn by Sprem's example is Martina Hingis and she is retired.

Experimentee
Sep 27th, 2005, 05:01 PM
She shouldnt be disappointed because she had a great week for her.
Other players who have bad losses are rightfully disappointed.

Jakeev
Sep 27th, 2005, 06:46 PM
Most of the women are gracious in defeat in their losses.

There are tons of examples of women that were amazingly gracious in losses this year; ie, Maria against Serena in Melbourne, Lindsay against Venus at Wimbledon and Mary against Justine in Paris.

So now Karolina was gracious against Myskina. She is just one more player of many who do this.

Just glad to see that for one tournament, we saw the old K-lina again!

DA FOREHAND
Sep 27th, 2005, 06:56 PM
Thank you :worship: There are too many players (and posters) who just think that youīre only losing to Myskina when you hit too many unforced errors. Itīs maybe not the coolest and most beautiful way to play, but at least itīs an efficient game plan against hardhitters.


Is it? What's her overall h2h -v- the top tier big babes?