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actor1
Sep 24th, 2005, 05:51 PM
no grandslams, and now she loses a gimme match. wasnt it a year ago that mary carrillo said maria is the future?, the future what?. i cannot see another slam in her future.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 24th, 2005, 05:52 PM
She's a lot more credible than Mauresmo at #1. Not to offend Momo fans, but it's true.

faboozadoo15
Sep 24th, 2005, 05:57 PM
no grandslams, and now she loses a gimme match. wasnt it a year ago that mary carrillo said maria is the future?, the future what?. i cannot see another slam in her future.
well she has won a major and the YEC... but anyway.
she retired from a match because of 2 injuries.
maria is still 18 and could still be the future.
if you don't see another slam in an 18 year old who is making the semifinals or better of pretty much every tournament she plays in, then i guess i don't need to have this conversation with you in the first place.

tobe
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:01 PM
I mean, hey, she was in a slam semi 3 times this year + one quarter not to forget she had 3 mp to get in a final! Not that bad at all for the so-called "worst number 1", is it?

Wojtek
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:02 PM
She's a lot more credible than Mauresmo at #1. Not to offend Momo fans, but it's true.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

DementievaStyle
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:03 PM
The rankings system is crap anyway. But shes only 18.

I think she would win more friends if she behaved differently though (maybe wearing some decent clothes would help). Dropping out of the Biejing match for an "injury" will not help her cause.

goldenlox
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:04 PM
The hype at ESPN gets a little stupid. Luke Jensen was on ESPN radio, and Mel Kiper asked him -
Who is the next Chris Evert?
Luke Jensen said Maria Sharapova.

That's what ESPN tennis people discuss in their meetings. The need to push Maria as the future of American tennis.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:04 PM
no grandslams, and now she loses a gimme match. wasnt it a year ago that mary carrillo said maria is the future?, the future what?. i cannot see another slam in her future.

No GrandSlams? She got ONE. And ONE GRANDSLAM means GOT GRANDSLAM.

Are you a Maria hater? If yes, SHUT UP! :tape: :tape: :tape:

Billabong
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Come on:rolleyes:

selesfan1
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:05 PM
All I can say is that I don't feel she has earned the number 1 ranking at all this year. She is a great talent but she hasn't been the number 1 this year. I think the only 3 people that could be argued as no.1's for this year because of their consistency through long periods of time have been Kim 1st Lindsay 2nd and Justine 3rd. Maria hasn't done anything in months and the last tough tournament she won was Doha all the way back in February. She's made 3 slam semi's but Kim won the U.S. Open and it's Series, Lindsay made the finals of Wimbledon,Australia,and quarter's of 2 other slams and has won tournaments througout the year, Mary has made 2 slam finals and won a tier I, Venus won Wimbledon, Serena won the Australian, Justine dominated the clay season and won Roland Garros so really to me the top 6 players of the year have been Venus, Serena, Justine, Kim,Lindsay and Mary.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:09 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Chrissie-fan
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:10 PM
no grandslams, and now she loses a gimme match. wasnt it a year ago that mary carrillo said maria is the future?, the future what?. i cannot see another slam in her future.

What you really mean is that you HOPE that she won't win another slam in the future. I think Sharapova is a better #1 than Mauresmo. "Worst" is a word not suited to be used in relation to a #1. It's true that Sharapova isn't a convincing,undesputable #1,but the fact that she heads the rankings nevertheless means that she (or Mauresmo and Davenport before her) played some great tennis to get there. :smoke:

densuprun
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:10 PM
Are you a Maria hater?

Do you have to ask? The guy practically advertises himself as a Maria hater in almost every second post. Just like the one in this thread.

CrossCourt~Rally
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:11 PM
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:cool:

charmedRic
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:11 PM
All I can say is that I don't feel she has earned the number 1 ranking at all this year. She is a great talent but she hasn't been the number 1 this year. I think the only 3 true no.1's because of their consistency through long periods of time have been Kim 1st Lindsay 2nd and Justine 3rd. Maria hasn't done anything in months and the last tough tournament she won was Doha all the way back in February.

Such high standards. 3 Grand Slam semifinals ... easily dismissed?

What kind of crap is that? :rolleyes:

hablo
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:12 PM
She's a lot more credible than Mauresmo at #1. Not to offend Momo fans, but it's true.

:o:o:o

somehow I knew my fav would be mentionned :lol:

the only thing she's got on momo is the slam, that's all :angel:

momo, please do something about that soon :p

Shoulderpova
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:12 PM
:yawn:

densuprun
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:14 PM
the only thing she's got on momo is the slam, that's all :angel:

That's quite enough.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:14 PM
:o:o:o

somehow I knew my fav would be mentionned :lol:

the only thing she's got on momo is the slam, that's all :angel:

momo, please do something about that soon :p

AND....a win over Serena Williams in a slam. Mauresmo's MAIN nemesis.

Wojtek
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:15 PM
The rankings system is crap anyway. But shes only 18.


I agree. Wta ranking system is one big comedy. Davenport won only one tier 1 the same Masha in two years. In men ranking Gaudio isn't number three just because she won 5 small events this year.

hablo
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:16 PM
AND....a win over Serena Williams in a slam. Mauresmo's MAIN nemesis.

momo has quite a few nemesis :lol: :o

densuprun
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:19 PM
In men ranking Gaudio isn't number three just because she won 5 small events this year.

I didn't know Gaudio is a she. :o

Mudbone
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:56 PM
no grandslams, and now she loses a gimme match. wasnt it a year ago that mary carrillo said maria is the future?, the future what?. i cannot see another slam in her future.

Amelie Mauresmo will own that distinction for a long time...She was a joke as number one!!! Its just further proof how much the ranking system sucks..All you have to do is play a lot and reach the quarters at a couple of slams and youa re number one...It has nothing to do with who the best players are...The best players win slams...The slams should be wieghted so heavy that you can't be number one without winning one

densuprun
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:05 PM
The slams should be wieghted so heavy that you can't be number one without winning one

Care to elaborate? You will just award 5000 points to slam winners while all the other points will stay the same, with slam finalists getting around 700? :tape:

hablo
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:07 PM
Amelie Mauresmo will own that distinction for a long time...She was a joke as number one!!! Its just further proof how much the ranking system sucks..All you have to do is play a lot and reach the quarters at a couple of slams and youa re number one...It has nothing to do with who the best players are...The best players win slams...The slams should be wieghted so heavy that you can't be number one without winning one

the ranking system will never please everyone :rolleyes:

udachi Elena
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:08 PM
you're the worst poster in the history of wtaworld

hablo
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:11 PM
Care to elaborate? You will just award 5000 points to slam winners while all the other points will stay the same, with slam finalists getting around 700? :tape:

yup, why should #1 be just about slams anyway... If #1 plays well enough to win slams, she should be able to win a ton of other tournies as well too. . .

that's o-n-e of the reasons behind the current ranking system !!!

suzie
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:19 PM
The best players win slams...The slams should be wieghted so heavy that you can't be number one without winning one
Good option! :yeah: so top players would care mostly to play and win GS, giving a damn to play minor tourneys. Just wonderful for those of us who actually like tennis... :rolleyes: The best players are consistent at all times, not only four times a year. They get more points than the others, that's what make them top players.

jimbo mack
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:26 PM
everyone knows amelie and maria should have never been number 1

but hey, sometimes stupid things like this happen in life

they both still have time to prove themselves, but at the moment there are a few players who are always a step ahead of them

LostGlory
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:33 PM
The number one is an indicator of which player has done the best over a period of 1 YEAR why dont you get it .....who ever got to number one is the player that was most consistent over a year....

actor1
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:37 PM
The hype at ESPN gets a little stupid. Luke Jensen was on ESPN radio, and Mel Kiper asked him -
Who is the next Chris Evert?
Luke Jensen said Maria Sharapova.

That's what ESPN tennis people discuss in their meetings. The need to push Maria as the future of American tennis.
i know. what's get me is the bitch isnt even american.

actor1
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:41 PM
:o:o:o

somehow I knew my fav would be mentionned :lol:

the only thing she's got on momo is the slam, that's all :angel:

momo, please do something about that soon :p
i agree. momo is much more talented than sharpie.

actor1
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:44 PM
you're the worst poster in the history of wtaworld
why? cause i tell the truth? if anything, demented is way better than your precious russian american wannabe.

middy
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:44 PM
:o:o:o

somehow I knew my fav would be mentionned :lol:

the only thing she's got on momo is the slam, that's all :angel:

momo, please do something about that soon :p

What would happen to WTA when Momo doest get her name mentioned in these type of threads :lol:

The number one is an indicator of which player has done the best over a period of 1 YEAR why dont you get it .....who ever got to number one is the player that was most consistent over a year....

http://www.sosnovska-symposium.com/smilies/doh.gif Stop stating the obvious

jacobruiz
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:46 PM
hater? she has to have someting that i want. i dont like skinny, ugly white girls.


What a piece of pure shit you are.:rolleyes:


When you are beautiful, talented, rich, and blonde like Masha you're bound to attract trash like this.

jimbo mack
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:50 PM
When you are beautiful, talented, rich, and blonde like Masha you're bound to attract trash like this.

oh come on, she is not ''beautiful''

i'm not saying she's ugly, but no way is she ''beautiful'' lol

she's not talented either, she's more of a player who's been ''made''

but yeh she is rich and blonde :)

so that's 2 out of 4 right to you :yeah:

Dexter
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:53 PM
It's stupid discussion :( #1 is #1... She worked hard to achieve that! All credit to her... (and yes, I don't like her :angel: )

actor1
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:57 PM
What a piece of pure shit you are.:rolleyes:


When you are beautiful, talented, rich, and blonde like Masha you're bound to attract trash like this.
you may have the rich and blonde part right.

actor1
Sep 24th, 2005, 08:03 PM
oh come on, she is not ''beautiful''

i'm not saying she's ugly, but no way is she ''beautiful'' lol

she's not talented either, she's more of a player who's been ''made''

but yeh she is rich and blonde :)

so that's 2 out of 4 right to you :yeah:
i knew i liked you for some reason.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 24th, 2005, 08:03 PM
oh come on, she is not ''beautiful''

i'm not saying she's ugly, but no way is she ''beautiful'' lol

she's not talented either, she's more of a player who's been ''made''

but yeh she is rich and blonde :)

so that's 2 out of 4 right to you :yeah:

I agree, Maria IMO is just pretty. Kournikova is beautiful, there is a difference.

jacobruiz
Sep 24th, 2005, 08:04 PM
oh come on, she is not ''beautiful''

i'm not saying she's ugly, but no way is she ''beautiful'' lol

she's not talented either, she's more of a player who's been ''made''

but yeh she is rich and blonde :)

so that's 2 out of 4 right to you :yeah:


http://www.mariaworld.net/modelling28.jpg

Whatever - that's YOUR opinion. My opinion is that Maria is very beautiful.
http://www.tennis.com/media/news/xhg10109221019@news.ap.org.jpg

Quite a few people agree with me.;)

actor1
Sep 24th, 2005, 08:09 PM
compared to what? the beauty queens on the wta? where are they?. i see fine ass white girls all day long in la la land. scale one to ten....she's a five.

udachi Elena
Sep 24th, 2005, 08:46 PM
why? cause i tell the truth? if anything, demented is way better than your precious russian american wannabe.

It's not the truth. and i don't even like maria..yes elena is better than maria.. but not by results

densuprun
Sep 24th, 2005, 08:48 PM
hater? she has to have someting that i want. i dont like skinny, ugly white girls.

She doesn't have to do or have anything.. you will hate her regardless.

volta
Sep 24th, 2005, 08:48 PM
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

hablo
Sep 24th, 2005, 08:50 PM
What would happen to WTA when Momo doest get her name mentioned in these type of threads :lol:


I just hate it that this seems to be her claim to fame, you know?? :lol:

@m@nd@
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:20 PM
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

daffodil
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:24 PM
I mean, hey, she was in a slam semi 3 times this year + one quarter not to forget she had 3 mp to get in a final! Not that bad at all for the so-called "worst number 1", is it?

Yes. The #1 player who "consistently" gets to the Semifinals of Grand Slams. See something wrong with that?

daffodil
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:25 PM
She's definitely not gorgeous. She's pretty.

stijntje
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:27 PM
She's a lot more credible than Mauresmo at #1. Not to offend Momo fans, but it's true.


indeed... all respect to Mauresmo, but I think Sharapova earns that number one spot for winning Wimbledon and the Masters in the same year...

but, sorry Maria... The number-one position just called my little Kimmie... He wants her back real soon! ;););)

@m@nd@
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:28 PM
Yes. The #1 player who "consistently" gets to the Semifinals of Grand Slams. See something wrong with that?
no. whats wrong? does being #1 mean that u have to win every single tournament?

xan
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:35 PM
It's enlightening to see what low-lifes some of maria's haters are.

She gets a recurrence of what could be a bad injury - and all they can do is spew their bile and filth. :fiery:

serenafan08
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:46 PM
This is bold for anyone to say. I understand where you're coming from; anytime a player is number one without a Grand Slam victory counted into the ranking, they will come under scrutiny. But calling her the "worst no. 1 in history???" :eek: That's a little strong! I think Kim and Mauresmo were less credible when they were number one because they didn't have any majors (except for Kim now). At least Maria has one Slam on her resume.

jochem
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:48 PM
no grandslams, and now she loses a gimme match. wasnt it a year ago that mary carrillo said maria is the future?, the future what?. i cannot see another slam in her future.

Are you the type of person that considers all the atention around your comments a compliment???! Or are you just plain stupid to open your mouth without thinking for a moment what you are actually saying?

Freakan
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:55 PM
yeeeah...right :rolleyes: :yawn:

tennisjam
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:57 PM
I think he enters both categories...

middy
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:58 PM
I just hate it that this seems to be her claim to fame, you know?? :lol:

:lol: She must be doing something right, even when she isnt playing people cant stop talking about her. All hail queen Momo

SJW
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:58 PM
hater? she has to have someting that i want. i dont like skinny, ugly white girls.

not even skinny ugly white girls like you so i guess it sucks to be you then :ras:
btw Maria isn't ugly.

vettipooh
Sep 24th, 2005, 10:11 PM
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Damn, Boo. If looks could kill, his ass would be dead!!!:lol:

hablo
Sep 24th, 2005, 10:25 PM
:lol: She must be doing something right, even when she isnt playing people cant stop talking about her. All hail queen Momo


indeed, all hail queen Momo :worship::bowdown:

she's a player to be reckoned with,(even when she not playing :lol: ) :devil:

Jasmin
Sep 24th, 2005, 10:29 PM
Unfortunately Maria is hyped to no end and that brings more that extra negative attention when she hasn't won a slam. I know that she's won something but this year I can't even remember. According to others she's suppose to be dominating. No one thought about the fact that it was an off year for the other top players or that lower seeded players would improve. I think later on she may win another slam or 2 but we have to take into account that others may step up out of no where once that others retire. I wish they would have just given Maria some time instead of hyping her to be the 'it' now and not later on.

actor1
Sep 24th, 2005, 10:30 PM
Are you the type of person that considers all the atention around your comments a compliment???! Or are you just plain stupid to open your mouth without thinking for a moment what you are actually saying?
nope. just calls em as i sees em.

Mother_Marjorie
Sep 24th, 2005, 11:06 PM
What a piece of pure shit you are.:rolleyes:


When you are beautiful, talented, rich, and blonde like Masha you're bound to attract trash like this.


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Kart
Sep 24th, 2005, 11:15 PM
nope. just calls em as i sees em.

You should have your vision checked.

Then maybe you'd see how ugly a thread this is.

clementine
Sep 24th, 2005, 11:30 PM
no grandslams, and now she loses a gimme match. wasnt it a year ago that mary carrillo said maria is the future?, the future what?. i cannot see another slam in her future.
1) She retired due to injury
2) She's won Wimbledon, the most prestigious title of the slams

Thanks for the troll post anyway. :wavey:

She's a lot more credible than Mauresmo at #1. Not to offend Momo fans, but it's true.
I agree.

terjw
Sep 24th, 2005, 11:51 PM
Oh no - not another one of these anti Maria is an awful #1 threads:

First - there hasn't been a diominating best player for a while now. To single Maria or Amelie or Lindsey or anyone else out is unfair. If she is the worst #1 it's not clearcut and it's not by much.

Second - about the rankings again. Well Kim is the best player right now - but the rankings put Maria #1. Even as a Kim fan I'm completely OK with that. The reason for the discrepancy is nothing to do with slams. The rankings measure performance over the last 52 weeks. So what she did nearly a year ago counts equally to what she's been doing the last 2 months. Maria's still got all those points from last year's YEC - a long time ago and also when the Belgians were out injured. That's the real reason why she's ranked #1 but everyone knows Kim is the best player right now.

It's very unlikely that after the YEC she'll still be ranked #1. I'd say she'd have to win it to stand a chance of keeping her ranking - otherwise she'll drop points. Denesprun will be able to correct me on this.

Dawn Marie
Sep 24th, 2005, 11:53 PM
Momo and Kim were more credible to me as #1 because they played and beat quality opponents and played some tough draws. Plus they defended alot of their points from before.

Farina Elia Fan
Sep 24th, 2005, 11:55 PM
I dont even like the girl but she has played well this season and no one is a bad player to be a world number 1!!!

KoOlMaNsEaN
Sep 24th, 2005, 11:58 PM
Amelie is the worst #1 not masha

Ceze
Sep 25th, 2005, 12:17 AM
The number one is an indicator of which player has done the best over a period of 1 YEAR why dont you get it .....who ever got to number one is the player that was most consistent over a year....So true :worship:

Ceze
Sep 25th, 2005, 12:18 AM
What would happen to WTA when Momo doest get her name mentioned in these type of threads :lol:
:lol: WTA without Amé wouldnt be WTA :p

Tati & Dani
Sep 25th, 2005, 12:21 AM
no grandslams, and now she loses a gimme match. wasnt it a year ago that mary carrillo said maria is the future?, the future what?. i cannot see another slam in her future.

im not a fan of Maria , but this is really a shitty post

Melly Flew Us
Sep 25th, 2005, 12:23 AM
... white ....

why?

Melly Flew Us
Sep 25th, 2005, 12:25 AM
... blonde ....
what?

Ravsieg
Sep 25th, 2005, 12:28 AM
This works more effectively than "Please bad-rep me"

waratahsrock
Sep 25th, 2005, 01:48 AM
All I can say is that I don't feel she has earned the number 1 ranking at all this year. She is a great talent but she hasn't been the number 1 this year. I think the only 3 people that could be argued as no.1's for this year because of their consistency through long periods of time have been Kim 1st Lindsay 2nd and Justine 3rd. Maria hasn't done anything in months and the last tough tournament she won was Doha all the way back in February. She's made 3 slam semi's but Kim won the U.S. Open and it's Series, Lindsay made the finals of Wimbledon,Australia,and quarter's of 2 other slams and has won tournaments througout the year, Mary has made 2 slam finals and won a tier I, Venus won Wimbledon, Serena won the Australian, Justine dominated the clay season and won Roland Garros so really to me the top 6 players of the year have been Venus, Serena, Justine, Kim,Lindsay and Mary.

Well... For starters, saying Maria hasn't earned #1 and Lindsay has is a pile of BS. Newsflash, Linsay hasn't won a slam in a LONG time. and Justine, she hasn't played a hell of a lot this year. Admittedly her clay season was outstanding, but look at her play at Wimbledon and the US Open in particular, she crapped out early.
However, i do agree with you that Kim deserves to be number 1, with Maria comming in second.

and with your top 6 players fo the year, Serena? :haha: lets ad Jill Craybas to your player of the year category shall we?

fammmmedspin
Sep 25th, 2005, 01:48 AM
It's stupid discussion :( #1 is #1... She worked hard to achieve that! All credit to her... (and yes, I don't like her :angel: )

Its even stupider when you note how long she has been number 1 - its like writing someone's epitaph on their first birthday.

Maria is number 1 because everyone below her is either injured, playing poorly or can manage to win even less. When someone manages to win more they will be number 1 - if kim stays fit that will happen quite soon........

sebbe
Sep 25th, 2005, 01:51 AM
Please, wait and see!!! Maria has a few years ahead of her, she can still accomplish alot!!

densuprun
Sep 25th, 2005, 02:20 AM
It's very unlikely that after the YEC she'll still be ranked #1. I'd say she'd have to win it to stand a chance of keeping her ranking - otherwise she'll drop points. Denesprun will be able to correct me on this.

You are right.

The ratings after YEC will be
Kim: 4113 + Luxembourg II + Filderstadt II + Hasselt III + YEC
Lindsay: 3826 + Zurich I + Phila II + YEC
Maria: 3499 + Filderstadt II + Moscow I + Phila II + YEC

I estimated the points that the players are expected to earn before YEC. The projected ratings are
http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=6276814&postcount=84 :
Kim: 4647 + YEC
Lindsay: 4268 + YEC
Maria: 4058 + YEC

If the ratings before YEC will, indeed, turn out to be like that, then not even the finalist points (586 max for #1 player) can push Maria above Kim. If Kim gets the last place with 3 losses in the round robin round of YEC she will get 67 points for the total of 4714. Maria will need 656 to catch up. The title would guarantee that she gets more than that. It gives between 664 and 774 points to the #1 ranked player. To make sure Maria won't catch her Kim will need 185 points. SF will give her more than. Even the 3rd place in RR is good enough if it is earned with 2 wins or 1 win over one of the first 3 players in the pre-YEC rankings.

densuprun
Sep 25th, 2005, 02:29 AM
Its even stupider when you note how long she has been number 1 - its like writing someone's epitaph on their first birthday.

Has been? Newsflash for you: she was #1, she still is #1, and she will be #1 until at least Oct. 10 when Kim has a miniscule chance to take over. More likely, Maria will stay as #1 all the way till YEC, 10 weeks in total. That is twice as long as Momo and almost just as much as Kim, Sanchez and Venus has earned over their much longer careers.

xan
Sep 25th, 2005, 02:37 AM
This thread was started by a low-life troll, who crawled out from under some rock to spread his slime everywhere.

Maria is No 1 because she earned it.

End of Story.

If your player can't earn it, they won't be No 1.

K-Dog
Sep 25th, 2005, 02:41 AM
This thread was started by a low-life troll, who crawled out from under some rock to spread his slime everywhere.

Maria is No 1 because she earned it.

End of Story.

If your player can't earn it, they won't be No 1.


Yeah, why because Davenport was injured Xan? It's me again, way to reply!!

xan
Sep 25th, 2005, 02:46 AM
Yeah, why because Davenport was injured Xan? It's me again, way to reply!!

Maria was injured at the same time as Davenport - or were you too consumed with bitterness and jealousy to notice that? :mad:

In fact Maria was injured for longer this summer.

Maria earned her No1 spot by playing the best throughout the year. Davenport, with her Tier 2 wins and no Slam or YEC for five years - has zero preferential entitlement to the No 1 spot.

densuprun
Sep 25th, 2005, 02:46 AM
Yeah, why because Davenport was injured Xan? It's me again, way to reply!!

Davenport, despite being injured, played more tournaments between Wimbledon and US Open than Maria. And didn't a perfectly healthy Davenport lose one round before Maria at US Open? Sorry, there is no injury excuse for Davenport for not being #1 now.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Sep 25th, 2005, 02:52 AM
hater? she has to have someting that i want. i dont like skinny, ugly white girls.

You just made enemies with all Maria lovers and supporters. Good luck... you will need all the help you can find.

K-Dog
Sep 25th, 2005, 03:48 AM
Maria was injured at the same time as Davenport - or were you too consumed with bitterness and jealousy to notice that? :mad:

In fact Maria was injured for longer this summer.

Maria earned her No1 spot by playing the best throughout the year. Davenport, with her Tier 2 wins and no Slam or YEC for five years - has zero preferential entitlement to the No 1 spot.

Lindsay was injured from Wimbledon final (some place that Maria didn't get to cuz she got her ass kicked by Venus) to New Haven. Maria played in WTT in late July, while Lindsay was injured. Not to mention, it does affect the rankings with Davenport out due to the fact that Lindsay actually did something on the hard courts last year to make it hard for her to defend all those points. Lindsay actually won tournaments to become no.1 (7 titles I believe), while Maria has won a weak tier 1, a decent tier 2, and a tier 3. Lindsay won 5 tier 2's, and 2 tier 1's. Anyone who loses 6-0 6-0 is not no.1 in my book.

What bitterness would I have? My two favs won majors this year beating your fav along the way, have more majors than Maria does, have both been at no.1 longer and Venus absolutely killed Maria at Wimbledon. What jealously do I have that the top players own Maria.

densuprun
Sep 25th, 2005, 04:58 AM
Lindsay was injured from Wimbledon final (some place that Maria didn't get to cuz she got her ass kicked by Venus) to New Haven. Maria played in WTT in late July, while Lindsay was injured. Not to mention, it does affect the rankings with Davenport out due to the fact that Lindsay actually did something on the hard courts last year to make it hard for her to defend all those points. Lindsay actually won tournaments to become no.1 (7 titles I believe), while Maria has won a weak tier 1, a decent tier 2, and a tier 3. Lindsay won 5 tier 2's, and 2 tier 1's. Anyone who loses 6-0 6-0 is not no.1 in my book.

Lindsay got her ass kicked by Venus, too.

Maria playing in WTT has absolutely zero relevance to the discussion of ratings.

What Lindsay did or did not do in July/August 2004 has absolutely no effect on the numerical value of her rating in late August of 2005. NONE.

During USO 2005 Lindsay was #1 without a single title of tier I or better. Maria had YEC and tier I. Don't tell me that Lindsay deserved to be #1 during these two weeks. At USO 2005 Lindsay was probably the least accomplished #1 over the course of previous 52 weeks in the history of the WTA ratings.

K-Dog
Sep 25th, 2005, 05:24 AM
Lindsay got her ass kicked by Venus, too.

Maria playing in WTT has absolutely zero relevance to the discussion of ratings.

What Lindsay did or did not do in July/August 2004 has absolutely no effect on the numerical value of her rating in late August of 2005. NONE.

During USO 2005 Lindsay was #1 without a single title of tier I or better. Maria had YEC and tier I. Don't tell me that Lindsay deserved to be #1 during these two weeks. At USO 2005 Lindsay was probably the least accomplished #1 over the course of previous 52 weeks in the history of the WTA ratings.
I don't call 4-6 7-6(4) 9-7 an ass-kicking. For crying out lound Lindsay had a match point. Venus kicked Maria's ass, the supposed favorite. Too add, what happened in July and Aug of 2004 in relevant. She had four titles to defend that she couldn't. That's A LOT of points. Maria barely had any points to defend. Lindsay got injured and couldn't defend a single point from last year, and Maria basically had to do nothing to get no.1 because Lindsay couldn't play. The computer says she's no.1, but she hasn't won either tournament she's played at no.1, and she hasn't won a major this year, hasn't been in a major final, and got beat 6-0 6-0. That is not no.1 material for any of the greats who have been no.1 Only Mauresmo was a worse no.1.

WonderfulLee
Sep 25th, 2005, 05:28 AM
why maria always say that she is 'only 18' when she had problem with his game?

Junex
Sep 25th, 2005, 05:33 AM
why maria always say that she is 'only 18' when she had problem with his game?

Is she not?
btw Maria is a she....so her game

geez.....

im bored :tape:

Portobello
Sep 25th, 2005, 05:36 AM
not surprised at all y the starter of this dumb thread got red dot repute :retard:

densuprun
Sep 25th, 2005, 05:51 AM
Too add, what happened in July and Aug of 2004 in relevant. She had four titles to defend that she couldn't. That's A LOT of points. Maria barely had any points to defend. Lindsay got injured and couldn't defend a single point from last year, and Maria basically had to do nothing to get no.1 because Lindsay couldn't play.

It is as simple as this: between Aug.22, 2004 and Aug. 22, 2005 Lindsay accumulated fewer points than Maria. What happened in July of 2004 is as relevent to the ratings of Aug. 22, 2005 as what happened in February 1899. Lindsay was healthy when Maria was healthy and she was injured when Maria was injured. Lindsay lost #1 to Maria fair and square. Unfortunately, Lindsay was already fit to play in the week of Aug.22 while Maria wasn't. That was the only reason why Lindsay succeded in stealing Maria's #1 for two weeks without having a title of any significance on her 52 week resume.

actor1
Sep 25th, 2005, 06:22 AM
This thread was started by a low-life troll, who crawled out from under some rock to spread his slime everywhere.

Maria is No 1 because she earned it.

End of Story.

If your player can't earn it, they won't be No 1.
please trick. when you do it against venus it''s okay? and when i do it against your precious overrated masha call the hounds? just go somewhere and pretend that masha is so great.

venus_rulez
Sep 25th, 2005, 06:25 AM
Has been? Newsflash for you: she was #1, she still is #1, and she will be #1 until at least Oct. 10 when Kim has a miniscule chance to take over. More likely, Maria will stay as #1 all the way till YEC, 10 weeks in total. That is twice as long as Momo and almost just as much as Kim, Sanchez and Venus has earned over their much longer careers.



To be fair, at least in Venus' case, we all know the reason why she wasn't number one for a longer period, and that's because she didn't play enough. No one's fault but her own, but it's still a fact and that needs to be noted. Also you mentioned Mauresmo, Kim, and Sanchez Vicario and their weeks at number one. While it's impressive, we also need to be fair. For Mauresmo it's hard to make a case for and I personally won't bother, as I don't think she should have ever been number one, but Kim had to deal with a completely healthy Venus, Serena, and Justine, which is why her weeks wouldn't be all that big, and Sanchez Vicario was in an era of two of the greatest players ever (Graf and Seles). By many Maria fan's own admission there isn't a clear cut dominant player so there shouldn't be any complaining about her being number one. For both Kim and Arantxa there was one, and with what I already explained about Venus is why their totals aren't so high. Again, it's impressive what Maria has/is doing, but let's put it in it's proper context.

actor1
Sep 25th, 2005, 06:25 AM
You just made enemies with all Maria lovers and supporters. Good luck... you will need all the help you can find.
this is a mostly let's bash the williams sisters forum anyway. so what.

morningglory
Sep 25th, 2005, 07:10 AM
this is a mostly let's bash the williams sisters forum anyway. so what.
Not really... notice most of WE sharapova fans, save for one or maybe two of us, respect the sisters a lot, yes, it's unfair that we label Venus and Serena fans as a whole group, rather than just a few of you who are constantly stirring up trouble, anyway, this forum is FAR from a Sisters bashing forum, this Wtaworld, a forum where ALL players and their fans should be respected. Nonetheless, bashing occurs, but the sisters aren't the only ones getting bashed. So please, to avoid further trouble, let this thread die, or delete this thread.
My Regards

harloo
Sep 25th, 2005, 07:32 AM
Damn even I don't like Maria and I see no logical reason for this ignorant thread. Maria earned her #1 spot by playing consistent enough throughout the year. She deserves the top spot because she won her matches.

She is not the worst no 1 player in history either.

RVD
Sep 25th, 2005, 09:29 AM
What a piece of pure shit you are.:rolleyes:


When you are beautiful, talented, rich, and blonde like Masha you're bound to attract trash like this attention.Just thought <ahem> I'd clean your quote up a bit. :wavey:

Incidentally, anybody seen xan around? :lol:
I'm trying so hard to earn my xan-tag acclaimed distinction. :lol:

waratahsrock
Sep 25th, 2005, 10:12 AM
Damn even I don't like Maria and I see no logical reason for this ignorant thread. Maria earned her #1 spot by playing consistent enough throughout the year. She deserves the top spot because she won her matches.

She is not the worst no 1 player in history either.

:yeah:
... and i'd rather be the 'worst #1 in history' than never be #1 at any point in my career.

middy
Sep 25th, 2005, 10:21 AM
Masha is now officially a royal bashing contestant on the WTA board :cool: a great achievement for 1 so young :hatoff:
:lol: Sad but none of the players will ever read the posts of attention seeking people who will never accomplish anything in life and will most likely be remembered more for their trolling on a forum than anything else.

gmak
Sep 25th, 2005, 11:09 AM
Masha is now officially a royal bashing contestant on the WTA board :cool: a great achievement for 1 so young :hatoff:
:lol: Sad but none of the players will ever read the posts of attention seeking people who will never accomplish anything in life and will most likely be remembered more for their trolling on a forum than anything else.

:worship: :worship: :lol: :lol: :lol:

THE NET
Sep 25th, 2005, 11:14 AM
I agree with the topic. Even we said this before Kim finally won her first grand slam title.

Jana Novotna and Gaby also won 1 grand slam title. They never reach number 1, but they were more consistent than Maria.

Maria is only 18, there is still time to prove. We will see. But, from my point of view, she will just be like Anna K in term of injuries and business besides tennis!!

Maria, I agree with you, "I am not ANNA K, I win matches". But after all, you will end up like ANNA K.

Lindsayfan32
Sep 25th, 2005, 11:43 AM
Such high standards. 3 Grand Slam semifinals ... easily dismissed?

What kind of crap is that? :rolleyes:

There is a simple answer to that. The two players ranked two and three behind Maria . Have made two grand slam finals and won four other titles (Lindsay) and the other has won 6 tournments and won a grand slam (Kim) it as simple as this Maria dosen't deserve to be there she is the true world number 3 at best and even that's starting to push it. The ranking system is a total joke when Maria is the world number 1. Kim is the true number one right now and Lindsay is the true number 2.

xan
Sep 25th, 2005, 12:03 PM
There is a simple answer to that. The two players ranked two and three behind Maria . Have made two grand slam finals and won four other titles (Lindsay) and the other has won 6 tournments and won a grand slam (Kim) it as simple as this Maria dosen't deserve to be there she is the true world number 3 at best and even that's starting to push it. The ranking system is a total joke when Maria is the world number 1. Kim is the true number one right now and Lindsay is the true number 2.

What shit from a bitter Lindsay fan.

The point is that Lindsay held No 1 while holding

* No Tier 1 title
* No YEC title
* No Slam Title in the past half decade.
* Choking away lousy Slam final appearances.

That makes her a better No 1 does it?

Yes and the Americans won in Vietnam too, didn't they? :rolleyes:

manu32
Sep 25th, 2005, 12:31 PM
she is not.....

silver
Sep 25th, 2005, 12:52 PM
All I can say is that I don't feel she has earned the number 1 ranking at all this year. She is a great talent but she hasn't been the number 1 this year. I think the only 3 people that could be argued as no.1's for this year because of their consistency through long periods of time have been Kim 1st Lindsay 2nd and Justine 3rd.

Maria is not ranked No.1 this year(2005), look at the Porshce Race - she is 3d. She is ranked No.1 only for the last 52 weeks. And she still have the tour Championships title. And she was more consistent at the other tournments. Meaning that it is more consistent to have 3 Semi, than one title and be pushed out at the first round twice(it's a little bit better). Lindsay was consistent too (for 52 weeks) but lost consistency in the last couple of months (and lost No.1).
Kim was not consistent for 52 weeks - because she just appeared at WTA only 25 weeks ago. Williams sisters can not be called No.1's for the last 52 weeks too (or it will sound as mockery).

I just wanted to say that rankings don't lie. Maria will lose No.1 soon (supposedly at the end of October 2005). So what?

If we call No.1 every one who wins Grand Slam or end year Championship, than we have now five actual No.1's at the same time. Not bad.
BTW, the true real No.1 is the one who wins all 17 tournments of the year including all GS's, the other No.1's are fakes.

tennisrox
Sep 25th, 2005, 01:57 PM
The number one is an indicator of which player has done the best over a period of 1 YEAR why dont you get it .....who ever got to number one is the player that was most consistent over a year....

Exactly!Why is this so hard for everyone to comprehend?Nitpickers! :rolleyes:

vwfan
Sep 25th, 2005, 02:11 PM
She's a lot more credible than Mauresmo at #1. Not to offend Momo fans, but it's true.
Exactly! I'm no Maria fan, but she did beat the reigning Wimbledon Champion to win her first slam. She has a slam and won the YEC last year. Momo--nothing. not even a slam final!
Maria won't be at the number 1 for long though; too many players got her number.

vwfan
Sep 25th, 2005, 02:47 PM
Davenport, with her Tier 2 wins and no Slam or YEC for five years - has zero preferential entitlement to the No 1 spot.But Davenport is more likeable! LOL.

silver
Sep 25th, 2005, 02:51 PM
...The best players win slams...The slams should be wieghted so heavy that you can't be number one without winning one

As it is, Slams are wieghted twice as heavy as I-tiers. If you make it more heavy (in prise money and ranking points) then we won't see other events. Players are now dropping even I-tier tournaments often. Just no one will go at I-tiers if the slams will be four times heavier.
But instead in the recent past, WTA increased number of bankable events from 12 to 17, to the effect that spectators could watch the tennis more often.
So the players choose whether to show the best at the couple of events and to be down at others (and have low ranking). Or to play at the middle level all 17 events, have high rank but be blamed for not having the slams. If both then something bad may happen, as it was with Kim and Justine in 2004. Because the level of competition is high. Much higher than in 1970-1990.

Linnie
Sep 25th, 2005, 02:54 PM
... and i'd rather be the 'worst #1 in history' than never be #1 at any point in my career.
:worship:

terjw
Sep 25th, 2005, 03:07 PM
I don't call 4-6 7-6(4) 9-7 an ass-kicking. For crying out lound Lindsay had a match point. Venus kicked Maria's ass, the supposed favorite. Too add, what happened in July and Aug of 2004 in relevant. She had four titles to defend that she couldn't. That's A LOT of points. Maria barely had any points to defend. Lindsay got injured and couldn't defend a single point from last year, and Maria basically had to do nothing to get no.1 because Lindsay couldn't play. The computer says she's no.1, but she hasn't won either tournament she's played at no.1, and she hasn't won a major this year, hasn't been in a major final, and got beat 6-0 6-0. That is not no.1 material for any of the greats who have been no.1 Only Mauresmo was a worse no.1.

You know I think you might have something here. Taking each of your points in turn we could make some real improvements to the way the rankings are calculated as follows:

Any player with a match point in a grand slam final gets a 300 point bonus.:rolleyes:
The rankings to be calculated over a longer period than 52 weeks - about 14 months should be about right (so as to get Linsey's 2004 results in). Got to be careful we don't go overboard with this and go too far back though. It would just distort the rankings if we were to include Wimbledon 2004 for example.:rolleyes:
Any player who gets beaten 6-0 6-0 should get all their ranking points stripped from them and have to start at that point in time from scratch.:rolleyes:

In addition
It will now not be possible to gain #1 ranking if you are not even playing (e.g. due to injury). If this should be the case then your points above the player who was #1 are stripped from you. So you have to play to win #1 ranking.:rolleyes:
There is an exception to rule #4. Rule #4 does not apply if your initials are LD. :rolleyes:
:lol: :lol: There that should do it - much fairer system. Bad luck Maria.

denzuko
Sep 25th, 2005, 03:23 PM
I tought only a dumb zealot like Gunther377 (or something like that) who started this kind of thread...
And he already posted a very similar thread, btw.
What are you, actor1... his 'parrot' ? :rolleyes:

fammmmedspin
Sep 25th, 2005, 03:34 PM
Has been? Newsflash for you: she was #1, she still is #1, and she will be #1 until at least Oct. 10 when Kim has a miniscule chance to take over. More likely, Maria will stay as #1 all the way till YEC, 10 weeks in total. That is twice as long as Momo and almost just as much as Kim, Sanchez and Venus has earned over their much longer careers.

Sanchez was up against the best player ever. Venus played too little anywhere but GS which was her choice and helped her win GS and she is injury prone. Momo got there because Lindsay and Myskina both flunked winning positions that would have put them well ahead of her.

Maria's competition is injured Lindsay who hasn't won anything big for so long most of us have forgotten when. Momo who has never won anything big and is injured. Justine who has been injured and played half a schedule.. Serena who is injured and losing to progressively lower ranked players. Mary who has played well for 4 months but is also injured and hasn't been able to keep it up in the GS finals. venus who won a GS playing like her old self but then reverted to playing poorly and being injured. And Kim who has only half a year's points in her ranking but will make it to number with another 6 weeks worth of points if she stays fit.

Maria has the YEC win wheras the two people below her have funking records in all recent GS and no big wins. 3 of the 4 2005 GS winners are losing poorly or have been too injured to play so they are hardly intelligent options for number 1 either. Even if Maria defends the YEC she will still probably be caught by Kim who has had a better year. That looks to me like the ranking system is pretty much giving us a good picture of the last 52 weeks and adapting to the return of Kim pretty speedily.

~|Naomi|~
Sep 25th, 2005, 03:54 PM
Choking away lousy Slam final appearances.


Well I think Maria would have loved to have had some lousy slam final appearances this year:rolleyes:

Maria is not the worst number 1 ever

Maria deserves her rank she didn't cheat or anything, this is just how the system works it shows 52 weeks, Maria except for her recent injury has been the top player who has been the fittest over the last 52 weeks.

azinna
Sep 25th, 2005, 04:05 PM
What's with the noise? Without a dominating Federer or Graf or Woods or Schumacher, all sports rankings are subject to during-the-season #1 switches, and a few of them will inevitably be due to consistent "nearly-won" play. I personally don't think one can come up with a foolproof ranking formula; that is, one that can't be made a fool of by a season in which top players seem bent on playing muscial trophies.

So there's no avoiding this, and no use complaining about it. Besides, the real deal has always been end-of-season status. Let's see what happens once the YEC has been played and its results factored in. If Maria were to somehow remain #1 without the YEC win, then, yes, her ranking would deserve a multi-page thread.

Till then, let's just pray that the top players actually arrive at the YEC. Something tells me that we may not see some folks till Aussie 2006.

SelesFan70
Sep 25th, 2005, 04:06 PM
this is a mostly let's bash the williams sisters forum anyway. so what.

Is your application to the Royal Court pending approval? :rolleyes:

densuprun
Sep 25th, 2005, 04:06 PM
To be fair, at least in Venus' case, we all know the reason why she wasn't number one for a longer period, and that's because she didn't play enough. No one's fault but her own, but it's still a fact and that needs to be noted. Also you mentioned Mauresmo, Kim, and Sanchez Vicario and their weeks at number one. While it's impressive, we also need to be fair. For Mauresmo it's hard to make a case for and I personally won't bother, as I don't think she should have ever been number one, but Kim had to deal with a completely healthy Venus, Serena, and Justine, which is why her weeks wouldn't be all that big, and Sanchez Vicario was in an era of two of the greatest players ever (Graf and Seles). By many Maria fan's own admission there isn't a clear cut dominant player so there shouldn't be any complaining about her being number one. For both Kim and Arantxa there was one, and with what I already explained about Venus is why their totals aren't so high. Again, it's impressive what Maria has/is doing, but let's put it in it's proper context.

I agree with what you said. To be fair and to put it in the proper context, let's also note that Maria is not even 19 and is likely to eventually push her weeks at #1 to at least JHH and Serena territory (~50) rather than stay around 10.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Sep 25th, 2005, 04:14 PM
this is a mostly let's bash the williams sisters forum anyway. so what.

And this is not a forum for haters like you anyway. So what? So GET OUT! :tape:

K-Dog
Sep 25th, 2005, 04:43 PM
In my responces, I am not really speaking of the computer no.1, rather just the thought of a no.1 and the fact that they are supposed to be the best player in the world that everyone fears, and that is dominant against all the top players. Maria is neither of those. On the computer, yes Maria has earned it by the no.1 of points she has calculated. By the computer, Maria is no.1.

~CANUCK~
Sep 25th, 2005, 05:04 PM
There is a simple answer to that. The two players ranked two and three behind Maria . Have made two grand slam finals and won four other titles (Lindsay) and the other has won 6 tournments and won a grand slam (Kim) it as simple as this Maria dosen't deserve to be there she is the true world number 3 at best and even that's starting to push it. The ranking system is a total joke when Maria is the world number 1. Kim is the true number one right now and Lindsay is the true number 2.

Lindsay doesn't deserve #1 over Maria for her results this year. All her titles have been from tier 2's. Maria at least has the YEC champs on her list, which is the 5th best tourny of the year, and is the toughest feild of the year, along with a tier 1 win and a tier 1 final. Kim you don't really have a case either right nowm because of the amount of big tournies she doesn't have on her list. After the YEC assuming she does well, kim would be the only player to be deserving of the #1 spot. But if masha wins the YEC again, #1 could very well be hers again.