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Sam L
Sep 24th, 2005, 02:48 AM
Like how Germany has Steffi Graf and France has Suzanne Lenglen?

I think so.

It'll be very poetic and she belongs up there. I can't see any current or future Russian woman threatening her from this position.

Thoughts?

RenaSlam.
Sep 24th, 2005, 03:17 AM
If Dementieva ever improves that serve- look out, she'll be #1...

Andy.
Sep 24th, 2005, 03:18 AM
I think there is a great chance that she will be

crazyroberto6767
Sep 24th, 2005, 03:23 AM
I'm not sure she'll quite be the Graf of Germany or the Lenglen of France, but she very well could be Russia's greatest tennis player.

vogus
Sep 24th, 2005, 03:37 AM
Like how Germany has Steffi Graf and France has Suzanne Lenglen?

I think so.

It'll be very poetic and she belongs up there. I can't see any current or future Russian woman threatening her from this position.

Thoughts?


No, fool, but she might become one of America's best players. Go USA! :bounce:

Russia has plenty of great players already without including Sharpy.

Geisha
Sep 24th, 2005, 03:51 AM
I think Dementieva has better strokes, better movement, and a better overall game, but her serve is what is keeping her out of the mix of the top 5 in the world.

Without it, Maria is the best Russian and will continue to be the Greatest...

Stamp Paid
Sep 24th, 2005, 03:57 AM
Poor Elena, she is the most talented Russian IMO. Then Sveta.

But all that doesnt matter because its mental strength that separates Maria from them. So I think she will.

@m@nd@
Sep 24th, 2005, 04:02 AM
i think so :worship:

vogus
Sep 24th, 2005, 04:09 AM
three years from now, Maria Sharapova will be playing for the United States. You heard it here first.

densuprun
Sep 24th, 2005, 04:11 AM
Definitely not first.
And after she plays for Russia next year I hope to never hear it again.

Sam L
Sep 24th, 2005, 04:19 AM
Maria's definitely 100% Russian and I don't see her changing her nationality. Ever.

Kiss my ass, vogus. :rolleyes:

SelesFan70
Sep 24th, 2005, 04:21 AM
Isn't she already there?

densuprun
Sep 24th, 2005, 04:27 AM
I think she is. And I don't think it makes sense to hypothesize what happens 100 years from now. It's not like even Graf is guaranteed to stay the best German player forever.

Justeenium
Sep 24th, 2005, 04:36 AM
Isn't she already there?
i think so

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Sep 24th, 2005, 04:54 AM
As most unbiasedly as I can say... Maria is the greatest from all the current Russian players.

Yet, we do not know, but it is very probable that Anastasia Plavlyochenkova willl do more than Maria has done so far, if Maria is not dominating so much, Anastasia could be the greatest.

But also, Daria Sharapova even younger... is able to play and beat players two years older than her.

But defienlty for righ tnow and for quite a while she will be the greatest..

vogus
Sep 24th, 2005, 05:07 AM
Maria's definitely 100% Russian and I don't see her changing her nationality. Ever.



100 percent Russian my ass. Sharpy's lived in Florida since she was 7, and she's never going to back to Russia. Her so-called "Russian nationality" is a fantasy scheme used by the corporate goons at IMG for marketing purposes. Lena Dementieva, Nastya Myskina, THEY are 100 percent Russian, and THEY are the best Russian players.

Portobello
Sep 24th, 2005, 05:33 AM
100 percent Russian my ass. Sharpy's lived in Florida since she was 7, and she's never going to back to Russia. Her so-called "Russian nationality" is a fantasy scheme used by the corporate goons at IMG for marketing purposes. Lena Dementieva, Nastya Myskina, THEY are 100 percent Russian, and THEY are the best Russian players.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hey ,at least she've 100% russian blood , :retard:

Portobello
Sep 24th, 2005, 05:34 AM
For this moment,Hell yeah

matthias
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:46 AM
isn´t she already russian greatest player?

she has 1 GS-Title and reached #1 spot
no other russian player reached this
or do you include mens too?
then she is still behind Kafelnikov and Marat

Pszczelny
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:56 AM
Kirilenko?

no

Junex
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:34 AM
three years from now, Maria Sharapova will be playing for the United States. You heard it here first.


i really dnt know the precedence about players changing nationality and the reasons behind..

but IMO, i dnt think it will happen now, in this modern times that an elite & famous player would change her nationality for whatever reason. She is already famous as a Russian player and she almost enjoys the same popularity and previledges of those Elite American athletes...

So why change, she already had the best of both worlds!
In fact, being a russian living in America would boost her stocks more as her market fans would not only come from America, she will also be loved and accepted by Eastern Europe, who traditionally do not idolize American Superstars!

Junex
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:36 AM
And yes she will be, if she is not there yet, the greatest Russian Woman Tennis Player!!!

Calimero377
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:36 AM
Like how Germany has Steffi Graf and France has Suzanne Lenglen?

I think so.

It'll be very poetic and she belongs up there. I can't see any current or future Russian woman threatening her from this position.

Thoughts?


Russia can do better than this Screamerova girl.
In 50 years from now we will have had many better players in Russia than MaScrea was.

BTW, comparing Screamerova with the two most legendary women tennis players in the history of this planet is ludicrous. :lol:

Sam L
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:38 AM
Russia can do better than this Screamerova girl.
In 50 years from now we will have had many better players in Russia than MaScrea was.

BTW, comparing Screamerova with the two most legendary women tennis players in the history of this planet is ludicrous. :lol:
Idiot. She's already up there with Graf and Lenglen as their country's greatest. :lol:

Calimero377
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:38 AM
I think she is. And I don't think it makes sense to hypothesize what happens 100 years from now. It's not like even Graf is guaranteed to stay the best German player forever.


No, that is settled forever.

Wanna bet?

tennisrox
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:43 AM
Russia can do better than this Screamerova girl.
In 50 years from now we will have had many better players in Russia than MaScrea was.

BTW, comparing Screamerova with the two most legendary women tennis players in the history of this planet is ludicrous. :lol:

For once in my life i agree with Cali *pinches self* :tape:

cindy
Sep 24th, 2005, 08:42 AM
in the papers nastya is "the czarina" if one day you read "masha nash czarina" then maybe that you can say that she is the best russian ever to russian
lena D has a lot of time to win a GS and to become the number one too
there is a lot of other russian players who can become number one and win one GS
I think will see when they'll all stop their career
to me right now maria is not the best....I don't know who is the best but well
you're talking about graf and lenglen but I don't think you can compare
graf won everything and there is no other great german player so it was easy to say that she is the best german...the same for lenglen even if now a lot of french think that is momo the best (even if she didn't win a GS compare to pierce)
but for the russian girls there is an armada so it's a little bit more complicated

ceiling_fan
Sep 24th, 2005, 08:50 AM
but russia has so many up and comers u never know what could happen, but if we were to judge it now... then yes, it's maria

jacobruiz
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:03 AM
Poor Elena, she is the most talented Russian IMO. Then Sveta.

But all that doesnt matter because its mental strength that separates Maria from them. So I think she will.


Mental strength and a 3-1 head-to-head with Elena, including winning the last 2 matches and a 2-2 head -to-head with Sveta, including winning the last 2. Not bad for an 18-year-old kid who IS Russia's greatest player.

Dementirilenko
Sep 24th, 2005, 10:25 AM
Probably yes, but we have to take a look at Lena D too. Ok, she won no Slam so far, but she was one of the russian players who made tennis popular in her country. She was the first russian woman to reach an Olympic Silver - Medal in tennis and she made a lot of other "first - steps" for Russian - Tennis.
But the fact that Masha is such a popular person arround the world will take her to the #1 in Russia.

xan
Sep 24th, 2005, 10:47 AM
I'm quite a Sharapova fan, and I think it's a little too early to call Maria "Russia's greatest tennis player ever".

Yes. As of now she has the best results any Russian woman player has produced. As for "greatness", we'll have to hold judgement for a few years.

All we can say is that the other candidates: Dementieva, Myskina and Kuznetsova are not quite up there with Masha atm, and that Masha still seems to have a lot of potential for improvement of her game.

So she certainly has the potential to become a "greatest ever".

Sevenseas
Sep 24th, 2005, 11:04 AM
I would prefer Elena Dementieva to be in that position as I love her game and personality much more, but right now Maria seems to have the strongest chance. We have to wait and see…

thrust
Sep 24th, 2005, 11:37 AM
As of now, she already is.

*Karen*
Sep 24th, 2005, 12:21 PM
At the moment she is already the best Russian player ever but there are so many russian girls coming up someone will quickly overtake her as the best russian ever.

densuprun
Sep 24th, 2005, 12:29 PM
No, that is settled forever.

Wanna bet?


You'll die way before it happens, old man.

Sam L
Oct 26th, 2005, 10:42 AM
Maria. :hearts:

Jackson.
Oct 26th, 2005, 10:46 AM
Between Maria and Sveta...

Calimero377
Oct 26th, 2005, 10:56 AM
Idiot. She's already up there with Graf and Lenglen as their country's greatest. :lol:


No, she is right up there with Claudine Schaul as their country's greatest.
(Graf 22 slams & Lenglen 12 slams vs. Screamerova 1 slam & Schaul 0 slams).

Sam L
Oct 26th, 2005, 11:00 AM
No, she is right up there with Claudine Schaul as their country's greatest.
(Graf 22 slams & Lenglen 12 slams vs. Screamerova 1 slam & Schaul 0 slams).
I think I heard a dog bark. :confused:

Myskin
Oct 26th, 2005, 11:12 AM
No, fool, but she might become one of America's best players. Go USA! :bounce:

Russia has plenty of great players already without including Sharpy.

Your abolutely right- and NO WAY would we want to include Sharapova as one of our tennis players. We are very happy with Anastasia, Dementieva, Petrova, Kuznetsova etc. We do not need someone who has no real love for our country! Myskina and Dementieva put their hearts into out country and what has Sharapova done... Absolutely nothing!!!

I'm not saying she is not a good player- she is a great player, but when you start talking about including her with other Russians like Myskina and Dementieva and putting her (Sharapova) above these real "Russian Greats" is very infruiating.

Sam L
Oct 26th, 2005, 11:14 AM
So you think Maria is not really Russian? :confused:

She's 100% Russian and speaks the language. So what if she's lived abroad for most of her life?

And most importantly, she represents Russia.

Volcana
Oct 26th, 2005, 11:19 AM
Like how Germany has Steffi Graf and France has Suzanne Lenglen?

I think so.

It'll be very poetic and she belongs up there. I can't see any current or future Russian woman threatening her from this position.

Thoughts?Based on current evidence, no. Those two players aren't just the greatest female players from their country. They have by far themost dominant GS records from their country, male or female. Even allowing for the disparities in how men and women accumulate GS titles, Boris becker is a distant second to Graf.

ALso, Graf and Lenglen both are on most people's 'Ten Greatest Female Tennis Players Ever' list.

Do I think Sharapova is going to be 'like' those two? No.

Myskin
Oct 26th, 2005, 11:20 AM
Your not Russian and you don't live here so you don't know what its like. There are Russians here that love Sharapova but most of us say what I have said many times. I think the problem really got out of control when Myskina said she would not play fed-cup if Sharapova was going to play- and that made all of us realise that Myskina was right- I know things happened between most of the Russian players and Sharapova- I personally think it was her very interfering father but anyway- we just arn't the happiest with her at the moment- maybe am biased- ask me in a year time lol.

Sam L
Oct 26th, 2005, 11:20 AM
Based on current evidence, no. Those two players aren't just the greatest female players from their country. They have by far themost dominant GS records from their country, male or female. Even allowing for the disparities in how men and women accumulate GS titles, Boris becker is a distant second to Graf.

ALso, Graf and Lenglen both are on most people's 'Ten Greatest Female Tennis Players Ever' list.

Do I think Sharapova is going to be 'like' those two? No.
Why?

dinhd82
Oct 26th, 2005, 11:20 AM
if she keep winning, she will be.

Sam L
Oct 26th, 2005, 11:21 AM
Your not Russian and you don't live here so you don't know what its like. There are Russians here that love Sharapova but most of us say what I have said many times. I think the problem really got out of control when Myskina said she would not play fed-cup if Sharapova was going to play- and that made all of us realise that Myskina was right- I know things happened between most of the Russian players and Sharapova- I personally think it was her very interfering father but anyway- we just arn't the happiest with her at the moment- maybe am biased- ask me in a year time lol.
Maybe, just maybe, Myskina is jealous of Maria or has other personal issues with her? :confused:

What makes Myskina more "Russian" than Maria.

Sam L
Oct 26th, 2005, 11:22 AM
I think Maria will be the "Catherine the Great" of women's tennis.

No Name Face
Oct 26th, 2005, 12:42 PM
ugh LenaD can be the greatest if she just gets her shit together. it's so frustrating to watch her underachieve

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 26th, 2005, 01:24 PM
If Dementieva ever improves that serve- look out, she'll be #1...

I don't know, RenaSlam. If it hasn't happened by now.......

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 26th, 2005, 01:26 PM
Maria already is Russia's greatest player historically. The first to be ranked #1 and the first to win Wimbledon singles. She has well over a decade to soldify that position.

MrDouble Faulter
Oct 26th, 2005, 02:11 PM
yes she will

Oizo
Oct 26th, 2005, 02:13 PM
So you think Maria is not really Russian? :confused:

She's 100% Russian and speaks the language. So what if she's lived abroad for most of her life?

And most importantly, she represents Russia.

I second that.

And yes, I really think she will end up with the better career. :cool:

DA FOREHAND
Oct 26th, 2005, 02:34 PM
I think she is. And I don't think it makes sense to hypothesize what happens 100 years from now. It's not like even Graf is guaranteed to stay the best German player forever.


No matter how young you are you won't see another player from Germany male or female who will surpass Graf as Germany's greatest player.


Has Maria topped Myskina yet?

densuprun
Oct 26th, 2005, 02:44 PM
Your not Russian and you don't live here so you don't know what its like. There are Russians here that love Sharapova but most of us say what I have said many times. I think the problem really got out of control when Myskina said she would not play fed-cup if Sharapova was going to play- and that made all of us realise that Myskina was right- I know things happened between most of the Russian players and Sharapova- I personally think it was her very interfering father but anyway- we just arn't the happiest with her at the moment- maybe am biased- ask me in a year time lol.

We? Who are those "we" and "us"? Don't speak for the Russians, dude. And one Myskin is not "we".

Being disliked by some Russians doesn't make her non-Russian. Otherwise, Putin would not be Russian either.

densuprun
Oct 26th, 2005, 02:47 PM
No matter how young you are you won't see another player from Germany male or female who will surpass Graf as Germany's greatest player.

Has Maria topped Myskina yet?

No matter how old you are, if you still have 25 years in you, you may see a German player who will surpass Graf. It may happen.

And yes, Maria did top Myskina's achievements.

DA FOREHAND
Oct 26th, 2005, 03:34 PM
We? Who are those "we" and "us"? Don't speak for the Russians, dude. And one Myskin is not "we".

Being disliked by some Russians doesn't make her non-Russian. Otherwise, Putin would not be Russian either.


Put it this way there were newspaper articles in Russia, cheering Maria's defeat in the Moscow tournament. Call it what you wish.

Yes you are correct there "may" be a German, player come along to surpass Graf, but the odds are about as great as hitting the lottery.

Farina Elia Fan
Oct 26th, 2005, 03:35 PM
no


myskina or dementieva

goldenlox
Oct 26th, 2005, 03:38 PM
3 Russians have won one major, and none of them have reached 2 slam finals, like Dementieva.
So it's still wide open.

DA FOREHAND
Oct 26th, 2005, 03:40 PM
3 Russians have won one major, and none of them have reached 2 slam finals, like Dementieva.
So it's still wide open.
Yeah too close to call, but for now def. goes to maria.

densuprun
Oct 26th, 2005, 03:53 PM
3 Russians have won one major, and none of them have reached 2 slam finals, like Dementieva.
So it's still wide open.

1 slam title > 2 slam finals
Myskina may not be that far behind Maria but Dementieva is not in the running

goldenlox
Oct 26th, 2005, 03:54 PM
1 slam title > 2 slam finals
Tell that to the WTA rankings.
Elena got over 1,700 points for those 2 finals.
Maria got 958 for winning a major.

densuprun
Oct 26th, 2005, 03:57 PM
Put it this way there were newspaper articles in Russia, cheering Maria's defeat in the Moscow tournament. Call it what you wish.

Yes you are correct there "may" be a German, player come along to surpass Graf, but the odds are about as great as hitting the lottery.

So? Some people in the US cheer Williams sisters' defeats. Does it make them non-American?

Definitely more than hitting the lottery. Who could imagine that someone become a threat to the title of greatest ever so soon after Sampras retirement? So, I won't be surprised if someone tops Graf's achievements. The only question is how likely is that it will be a German? Not very likely but Germany is a major tennis playing country so the chances are much better than winning a lottery.

densuprun
Oct 26th, 2005, 03:58 PM
Tell that to the WTA rankings.
Elena got over 1,700 points for those 2 finals.
Maria got 958 for winning a major.

Tell that to the history books. If Elena doesn't win a major few will know her name 50 years from now.

Fidel Castrato
Oct 26th, 2005, 04:00 PM
How can anyone ever get greater than Kournikova ? :lick: :p

_LuCaS_
Oct 26th, 2005, 04:19 PM
What makes Myskina more "Russian" than Maria.
Nastya loves Russia (2 Moscow titles and 2 Fed Cup titles). I don't know about Maria.

Danči Dementia
Oct 26th, 2005, 07:45 PM
I don`t know but 4 what I have seen Russia doesn`t like Maria and for me she is just another typical blonde ,stupid and american. of russian she just has the name not even the look amymore Dementieva just need a serve and she without any doubt will be No. 1 and I think that the russians love more Lena D and Nastia than Maria.
Any Russian annswer that please and we will know Who is who in russia

-VSR-
Oct 26th, 2005, 09:25 PM
Who knows...

Sharapova, Myskina, and Kuznetsova all still have only 1 Slam, so maybe whomever breaks out of that pact and starts winning will be it.