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Andy.
Sep 23rd, 2005, 07:01 AM
I thought i would be interseting to see who people feel have been the best players on each surfce since 1990 so i would like you to make a top 10 for Hard court, clay, grass and indoors.

Hard Court

Steffi Graf
Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Monica Seles
Lindsay Davenport
Martina Hingis
Kim Clijsters
Aranxta Sanchez Vicario
Justine Henin-Hardenne
Mary Pierce
Clay

Steffi Graf
Monica Seles
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
Justine Henin-Hardenne
Mary Pierce
Martine Hingis
Conchita Martinez
Jennifer Capriati
Serena Williams
Gabriela Sabatini
Grass

Steffi Graf
Venus Williams
Serena Williams
Jana Novotna
Lindsay Davenport
Martina Hingis
Aranxta Sanchez Vicario
Conchita Martinez
Martina Navratilova
Natalie Tausiat
Indoors- i will do later

LoveFifteen
Sep 23rd, 2005, 07:02 AM
It's spelled Hingis.

deja_entendu
Sep 23rd, 2005, 07:07 AM
I thought i would be interseting to see who people feel have been the best players on each surfce since 1990 so i would like you to make a top 10 for Hard court, clay, grass and indoors.

Hard Court
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Steffi Graff
Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Monica Seles
Lindsay Davenport
Martina Hingis


Hingis has the same amount of hard-court Slams as Serena, more than Venus and Lindsay, and a winning record against Venus on hard-courts... not sure about Lindsay, but 4 slams to 2? :confused: A lot of people forget, hard courts were where Hingis thrived...

Calimero377
Sep 23rd, 2005, 07:17 AM
I thought i would be interseting to see who people feel have been the best players on each surfce since 1990 so i would like you to make a top 10 for Hard court, clay, grass and indoors.

Hard Court

Steffi Graff
Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Monica Seles
Lindsay Davenport
Martina Hingis
Kim Clijsters
Aranxta Sanchez Vicario
Justine Henin-Hardenne
Mary Pierce
Clay

Steffi Graff
Monica Seles
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
Justine Henin-Hardenne
Mary Pierce
Martine Hingis
Conchita Martinez
Jennifer Capriati
Serena Williams
Gabriela Sabatini
Grass

Steffi Graff
Venus Williams
Serena Williams
Jana Novotna
Lindsay Davenport
Martina Hingis
Aranxta Sanchez Vicario
Conchita Martinez
Martina Navratilova
Natalie Tausiat
Indoors- i will do later

It's spelled Graf.

rhz
Sep 23rd, 2005, 07:40 AM
Mary Joe Fernandez?

Hardiansf
Sep 23rd, 2005, 08:06 AM
Clay:
Seles
Graf
Henin-Hardenne
Sanchez-Vicario
Martinez

Hard Court:
Graf
Serena
Seles
Venus
Davenport

Grass:
Graf
Venus
Serena
Davenport
Novotna

Indoor:
Hingis
Clijsters
Graf
Seles

wateva
Sep 23rd, 2005, 11:28 AM
hard courts
graf
davenport
serena
clijsters
venus

clay
graf
henin-hardenne
sanchez vicario
seles
hingis

grass
graf
serena
venus
davenport
novotna

indoors
clijsters
hingis
graf
seles
myskina :p

Spunky83
Sep 23rd, 2005, 11:41 AM
hard courts
graf
davenport
serena
clijsters
venus

clay
graf
henin-hardenne
sanchez vicario
seles
hingis

grass
graf
serena
venus
davenport
novotna

indoors
clijsters
hingis
graf
seles
myskina :p

very charming of you but despite a 70% career winning percentage on carpet, I donīt think she makes that list. Anyway :worship: :lol:


Itīs spelled Graf
:lol:

Itīs spelled Hingis
:lol:

Might I add...itīs spelled Martina (clay list)?

pigam
Sep 23rd, 2005, 01:03 PM
it's spelled: bias

pla
Sep 23rd, 2005, 01:15 PM
it's spelled: bias

:yeah: :lol:

mr_burns
Sep 23rd, 2005, 01:23 PM
On clay Mouremo has to be a part of the top 10. Remember the many strong perfomances at Rome and Berlin and also in the us

Martian KC
Sep 23rd, 2005, 01:30 PM
it's spelled: bias

:p In GM?:eek: NEVER!!!!!!

tennislover
Sep 23rd, 2005, 04:38 PM
Martina
Martina
Martina

Calimero377
Sep 23rd, 2005, 05:03 PM
Clay:
Seles
Graf
Henin-Hardenne
Sanchez-Vicario
Martinez
...


Seles has a 85.06 winning percentage on clay.
Graf 88.79 (even better if we take only the last 15 years).
Enna 85.85.

Obviously Graf is the best clay-courter of the last 15 years.:worship:




...
Indoor:
Hingis
Clijsters
Graf
Seles


Hingis has a 80.92 winning percentage indoors.
Clijsters 84.62.
Graf 88.73 (even better if we take only the last 15 years).

Obviously Graf is the best indoor player of the last 15 years. :worship:

*roddicksinme*
Sep 23rd, 2005, 06:50 PM
Grass:
1. Graf

Clay:
1. Graf

Hard:
1. Graf

Indoor:
1. Graf

CrossCourt~Rally
Sep 23rd, 2005, 06:53 PM
Its spelled NATHALIE TAUZIAT :D ;)

Geisha
Sep 23rd, 2005, 07:45 PM
On clay Mouremo has to be a part of the top 10. Remember the many strong perfomances at Rome and Berlin and also in the us

I'm not so sure...Remember, she hasn't had a great result at the French Open, nevermind a title there. Since Mauresmo's first peak year (2001), she has compiled a 75-16 record on Claycourts- 11 of those wins came at the Fed Cup, ten of them against unworthy opponents. She has defeated a great number of players in those five years including, Venus, Serena, Dokic, Henin-Hardenne, Clijsters, Coetzer, Hingis, Capriati, Zvonareva, and Myskina, but she has only collected six total titles, two of which were given to her by walkovers or retirements from Venus Williams.

On claycourts, I would have Graf, Seles, Sanchez-Vicario (for their multiple titles at the French Open + many, many others), Martinez, Sabatini (constant great play on the surface), Venus (lots of titles + FO F), Serena (couple of titles, dominant in 2002 + FO W), Henin-Hardenne, Hingis and Clijsters (for similar reasons as posted prior). That means:

01. Steffi Graf
02. Monica Seles
03. Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
04. Justine Henin-Hardenne
05. Conchita Martinez
06. Martina Hingis
07. Serena Williams
08. Kim Clijsters
09. Gabriela Sabatini
10. Venus Williams

QUEENLINDSAY
Sep 23rd, 2005, 08:08 PM
No one took hardcourt season like Lindsay does!!!
twice in her career she swipe all hardcourts before US Open winning 4 titles in 4 weeks('98 and 2004).

Lindsay also took slams indoor season, sweeping fall season with 3 or titles in as much weeks.

Best Hardcourt player:

1. Lindsay Davenport

Best Indoor player:

1. Lindsay Davenport

geoepee
Sep 23rd, 2005, 08:10 PM
I thought i would be interseting to see who people feel have been the best players on each surfce since 1990 so i would like you to make a top 10 for Hard court, clay, grass and indoors.

Hard Court

Steffi Graf
Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Monica Seles
Lindsay Davenport
Martina Hingis
Kim Clijsters
Aranxta Sanchez Vicario
Justine Henin-Hardenne
Mary Pierce
Clay

Steffi Graf
Monica Seles
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
Justine Henin-Hardenne
Mary Pierce
Martine Hingis
Conchita Martinez
Jennifer Capriati
Serena Williams
Gabriela Sabatini
Grass

Steffi Graf
Venus Williams
Serena Williams
Jana Novotna
Lindsay Davenport
Martina Hingis
Aranxta Sanchez Vicario
Conchita Martinez
Martina Navratilova
Natalie Tausiat
Indoors- i will do later
I agree with a lot of your list, but one person that I would put in the top ten for grass for the past fifteen years is your namesake Sharapova.... She's a Wimbledon semifinalist and Champion, plus she won Birmingham twice and a finalist in '03. I know that Tauziat was a terror to play on grass, but I think Maria's accomplishments trumps Natalies...

Brooks.
Sep 23rd, 2005, 08:10 PM
No one took hardcourt season like Lindsay does!!!
twice in her career she swipe all hardcourts before US Open winning 4 titles in 4 weeks('98 and 2004).

Lindsay also took slams indoor season, sweeping fall season with 3 or titles in as much weeks.

Best Hardcourt player:

1. Lindsay Davenport

Best Indoor player:

1. Lindsay Davenport

can we say delusional :cuckoo:

AjdeNate!
Sep 23rd, 2005, 08:17 PM
Clay
1. Seles.

QUEENLINDSAY
Sep 23rd, 2005, 08:18 PM
can we say delusional :cuckoo:

no, you cant!!!!

see my facts!!!! and mind you, its my choice, can't do anything with it. I dont care about your opinion so SHUT UP!!!

QUEENLINDSAY
Sep 23rd, 2005, 08:22 PM
Clay
1. Seles.

I agree!!!

Monica is like Guga on the ATP when it comes to french.

miranda_lou
Sep 23rd, 2005, 08:23 PM
Sorry folks. The ONLY player on any list concerning the best on all surfaces is Steffi Graf.:kiss: :hearts: There is no one else who has won at least 4 titles on all 4 Slam surfaces and 22 Slams overall. No one else comes close, no matter how you slice it.

So, the top ten begins and ends with Steffi.:angel: End of thread.:lol:

AjdeNate!
Sep 23rd, 2005, 08:24 PM
I agree!!!

Monica is like Guga on the ATP when it comes to french.
1990.1991.1992.
Damn that's been a lifetime ago. :sad:

QUEENLINDSAY
Sep 23rd, 2005, 08:25 PM
Sorry folks. The ONLY player on any list concerning the best on all surfaces is Steffi Graf.:kiss: :hearts: There is no one else who has won at least 4 titles on all 4 Slam surfaces and 22 Slams overall. No one else comes close, no matter how you slice it.

So, the top ten begins and ends with Steffi.:angel: End of thread.:lol:

Number wise, Its hard to argue!
But what about the year 90,91,92 when Seles emerge? Where is she?

Calimero377
Sep 23rd, 2005, 09:17 PM
No one took hardcourt season like Lindsay does!!!
twice in her career she swipe all hardcourts before US Open winning 4 titles in 4 weeks('98 and 2004).

Lindsay also took slams indoor season, sweeping fall season with 3 or titles in as much weeks.

Best Hardcourt player:

1. Lindsay Davenport

Best Indoor player:

1. Lindsay Davenport


Davenport has a winning percentage on hard-courts and indoors of less than 80 %.

Graf is at about 88 % .....

:wavey:

Mother_Marjorie
Sep 23rd, 2005, 10:17 PM
Clay:
Seles
Graf
Henin-Hardenne
Sanchez-Vicario
Martinez

Graf won 6 French Open's, only second to Chris Evert.

Hard Court:
Graf
Serena
Seles
Venus
Davenport

Hingis should be in this list.

Lindsayfan32
Sep 24th, 2005, 12:25 AM
Lindsay 5th on a hardcourt list that interesting. Lindsay has won 28 of her 49 titles on hardcourt Steffi number one don't think so. I woud say Steffi is about 5th on the list and Lindsay 3rd.

Mother_Marjorie
Sep 24th, 2005, 12:27 AM
Lindsay 5th on a hardcourt list that interesting. Lindsay has won 28 of her 49 titles on hardcourt Steffi number one don't think so. I woud say Steffi is about 5th on the list and Lindsay 3rd.

I would agree, except Steffi has many more grand slam titles on hardcourts.

JennyS
Sep 24th, 2005, 01:56 AM
Here are my top 5 in each

Hard (almost all the top players have good results on hardcourts so this is a tough one)

Steffi
Serena
Venus
Monica
Lindsay

Clay
Steffi
Monica
Justine
Jennifer
Mary

Grass
Steffi
Venus
Martina N (won in 1990 and got to the finals in 94 when she was already "over the hill")
Serena
Lindsay

Indoors
Lindsay
Kim
Martina Hingis
Maggie Maleeva
Alexandra Stevenson :)

Sally Struthers
Sep 24th, 2005, 02:26 AM
why is Hingis always underrated as a hardcourt player? She seems to have had her best results on that surface. Of course the number of hard court tournaments on tour is disproportionate to the rest of the surfaces but who cares?

irma
Sep 24th, 2005, 04:07 AM
over the last 15 years the players who won the most big titles on a surface (if that means she is the best, is always subjective anyway)

hardcourt * including rebound ace
1 Monica 6 slams
2 Steffi 5 slams
3 Martina the second, Serena 4 slams

clay
1 Steffi 4 slams
2 Monica 3 slams
2 Justine, ASV 2 slams

grass
1 Steffi 5 slams
2 Venus 3 slams
3 Serena 2 slams

indoor
1 Monica, Steffi three masters titles
2 Martina the second, Kim two masters titles

Outside on grass, because all three didn't play much outside wimbledon everybody won many titles on the surface outside the big tournament too!

Sam L
Sep 24th, 2005, 04:12 AM
Hardcourt: Serena Williams
Grasscourt: Venus Williams
Claycourt: Monica Seles
Carpet/Indoors: Kim Clijsters

Williams Rulez
Sep 24th, 2005, 04:48 AM
hard courts
graf
davenport
serena
clijsters
venus

clay
graf
henin-hardenne
sanchez vicario
seles
hingis

grass
graf
serena
venus
davenport
novotna

indoors
clijsters
hingis
graf
seles
myskina :pyr hardcourt list is too off... seles should at least be top 3... and how can kim be above venus?

timafi
Sep 24th, 2005, 05:08 AM
how come they haven't put Amelie Mauresmo in that list?
if anyone is talking about walkovers maybe the list up there should be updated huh?
Mauresmo shlould be in that list of great clay court players
hell she is amongst the few who have won Rome and this back to back
if that's not talent,then I don't know what is.
I would put Mauresmo ahead of Pierce for that matter even if I like Mary but she just can't top Mauresmo

Sam's Slave
Sep 24th, 2005, 05:19 AM
On clayMouremo has to be a part of the top 10. Remember the many strong perfomances at Rome and Berlin and also in the us

who's Mouremo??? :tape: omg that's not even just a typo...that's... :tape:

timafi
Sep 24th, 2005, 05:25 AM
yeah Mauresmo won the Masters in Italy back to back
check ya facts jacks
hahahha
if ya were trying to be funny it's.........not working

Callystarr
Sep 24th, 2005, 05:41 AM
HARD COURTS
1. Monica Seles (6 Hard Court Grand Slam Wins)
2. Steffi Graf
3. Martina Hingis (9 Hard Court Grand Slam Finals) :eek:
4. Serena Williams
5. Venus Williams
6. Lindsay Davenport
7. Justine Henin-Hardenne
8. Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
9. Kim Clijsters
10. Jennifer Capriati

CLAY COURTS
1. Steffi Graf
2. Monica Seles
3. Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
4. Justine Henin-Hardenne
5. Serena Williams
6. Martina Hingis
7. Jennifer Capriati
8. Gabriela Sabatini
9. Conchita Martinez
10. Mary Pierce

GRASS COURTS
1. Steffi Graf
2. Venus Williams
3. Serena Williams
4. Jana Novotna
5. Gabriela Sabatini
6. Lindsay Davenport
7. Jennifer Capriati
8. Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
9. Monica Seles
10. Martina Hingis

Calimero377
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:07 AM
Lindsay 5th on a hardcourt list that interesting. Lindsay has won 28 of her 49 titles on hardcourt Steffi number one don't think so. I woud say Steffi is about 5th on the list and Lindsay 3rd.



What about


"Davenport has a winning percentage on hard-courts of less than 80 %. Graf is at 88 % ....."


didn't sink in, Dumbo?

QUEENLINDSAY
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:34 AM
What about


"Davenport has a winning percentage on hard-courts of less than 80 %. Graf is at 88 % ....."


didn't sink in, Dumbo?

Lots of players has 90 to 100 % winning percentage on any surface coz they hardly play on that surface.

As I have said, no one owns california hardcourts season like Lindsay does. Twice in her career.

Calimero377
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:49 AM
Lots of players has 90 to 100 % winning percentage on any surface coz they hardly play on that surface.

As I have said, no one owns california hardcourts season like Lindsay does. Twice in her career.


Graf is 363-46 on hard-courts (88.75 %).
Davenport 396-92 (81.15 %).

Graf has won 5 USOs and 4 AOs.
Davenport has won 1 USO and 1 AO. Yeah, and owned California hardcourts season. Twice ... :rolleyes:

BTW, which "lots of players" have "90 to 100 % winning percentage" on which surface exactly?

QUEENLINDSAY
Sep 24th, 2005, 06:58 AM
Graf is 363-46 on hard-courts (88.75 %).
Davenport 396-92 (81.15 %).

Graf has won 5 USOs and 4 AOs.
Davenport has won 1 USO and 1 AO. Yeah, and owned California hardcourts season. Twice ... :rolleyes:

BTW, which "lots of players" have "90 to 100 % winning percentage" on which surface exactly?

You can actually see it from your stats.

Steffi won 363 hardcourt matches in twice the time Lindsay won 396.
Linds played so much on hardcourts coz its her favorite surface.

Steffi does'nt have any real competition in her time until Seles came and kick her ass. Sadly her fan stab monica and prolongs steffis reighn.

Graf-aholic
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:09 AM
I'll ditto this list:

Grass:
1. Graf

Clay:
1. Graf

Hard:
1. Graf

Indoor:
1. Graf

Calimero377
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:35 AM
You can actually see it from your stats.

Steffi won 363 hardcourt matches in twice the time Lindsay won 396.
Linds played so much on hardcourts coz its her favorite surface.

Steffi does'nt have any real competition in her time until Seles came and kick her ass. Sadly her fan stab monica and prolongs steffis reighn.


Obviously ASV is a better clay-court player than Graf. Because she won more matches on that surface in a shorter time-frame. :rolleyes:

Steffi had all-time greats Navratilova and Evert as competition. In a time when Evert played her "best tennis" (1985/86) Graf beat her for the first time (April 1986) and never lost again. In a time when Navratilova had won 6 consecutive Wimbledons and would go on to reach a slam final 7 even years later. Same Navratilova who was able to beat Seles 5 times in the 90ies.

Davenport would have stood no chance whatsoever against Navratilova on hard-courts in the late 80ies. The time of this slow-moving tennis elephant (remember her at Wimbledon this year? :lol: ) came only when there were no tier-1 greats any more in the game and the tier-2 greats (Hingis, Willies, Belgians) were injured.

Seles never "kicked (Steffi's) ass".
Actually Steffi was 3-2 H2H in the time when Seles was #1 pre-stabbing.
Monica never beat Steffi on fast U.S.-style hardcourts (only on slow high-bounce Australian ReboundAce).

Especially as a Davenport fan I would be very careful. To compare her with Steffi Graf is ridiculous. And Davenport's competition in her hard-court wins .... :tape: :tape:

wateva
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:44 AM
yr hardcourt list is too off... seles should at least be top 3... and how can kim be above venus?

it's called bias! :lol: maybe seles should be on that list. but too many players are so good on hardcourts. heck, even dementieva had great hardcourt results. but seeing that venus and kim has had dominant hardcourt wins leading to their slam wins, i had to put them in front considering the competition then and now. and as for venus below kim, i really think that kim's a better hardcourt player.

Lemonskin.
Sep 24th, 2005, 08:50 AM
It's spelled Graf.
Which makes "Farg" backwards ;)

Callystarr
Sep 24th, 2005, 11:23 AM
Obviously ASV is a better clay-court player than Graf. Because she won more matches on that surface in a shorter time-frame. :rolleyes:

Steffi had all-time greats Navratilova and Evert as competition. In a time when Evert played her "best tennis" (1985/86) Graf beat her for the first time (April 1986) and never lost again. In a time when Navratilova had won 6 consecutive Wimbledons and would go on to reach a slam final 7 even years later. Same Navratilova who was able to beat Seles 5 times in the 90ies.

Davenport would have stood no chance whatsoever against Navratilova on hard-courts in the late 80ies. The time of this slow-moving tennis elephant (remember her at Wimbledon this year? :lol: ) came only when there were no tier-1 greats any more in the game and the tier-2 greats (Hingis, Willies, Belgians) were injured.

Seles never "kicked (Steffi's) ass".
Actually Steffi was 3-2 H2H in the time when Seles was #1 pre-stabbing.
Monica never beat Steffi on fast U.S.-style hardcourts (only on slow high-bounce Australian ReboundAce).

Especially as a Davenport fan I would be very careful. To compare her with Steffi Graf is ridiculous. And Davenport's competition in her hard-court wins .... :tape: :tape:


Why are you talking about 1985/1986...thats 20 not 15 years

tennislover
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:35 PM
Seles has a 85.06 winning percentage on clay.
Graf 88.79 (even better if we take only the last 15 years).
Enna 85.85.

Obviously Graf is the best clay-courter of the last 15 years.:worship:







Graf better on clay than Seles?
:lol:

best joke of the month

















how if seles had played Roland Garros in 1993,94,95?

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 24th, 2005, 07:37 PM
What about


"Davenport has a winning percentage on hard-courts of less than 80 %. Graf is at 88 % ....."


didn't sink in, Dumbo?


"Dumbo"?? Are we seriously in kindergarten???

actor1
Sep 24th, 2005, 08:34 PM
hard courts
graf
davenport
serena
clijsters
venus

clay
graf
henin-hardenne
sanchez vicario
seles
hingis

grass
graf
serena
venus
davenport
novotna

indoors
clijsters
hingis
graf
seles
myskina :p
cliijsters has a few good wins this season...and all of a sudden she's a better hardcourter than venus? dream on.

Calimero377
Sep 24th, 2005, 09:51 PM
Graf better on clay than Seles?
:lol:

best joke of the month


how if seles had played Roland Garros in 1993,94,95?


Seles played 11 FOs. She won 3. That is 27.27 %.
If she had won one of those 93-95 FOs that would have meant 33.33 %.


No, Graf has 6 FOs and Seles only 3.
Graf is 3-3 H2H against Seles on clay, 1-1 during Seles's reign as #1.
Graf has 32 clay-court tournament wins, Seles only 12.

32 vs. 12 .............:lol: :lol: :lol:

BTW, how if Graf had played Roland Garros in 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003?

gabybackhand
Sep 24th, 2005, 10:10 PM
You can actually see it from your stats.

Steffi won 363 hardcourt matches in twice the time Lindsay won 396.
Linds played so much on hardcourts coz its her favorite surface.

Steffi does'nt have any real competition in her time until Seles came and kick her ass. Sadly her fan stab monica and prolongs steffis reighn.

Hey you QueenLindsay, you may like a player the best, as I or many do, but you can't change facts or history to make them fit your opinions! How can you dare to say Graf had no competition before Seles showed up! So, she had to beat great players like Navratilova or Sabatini the previous years to win G Slams and be the Nš1 player, and they are just no competition for you? Give me a break! I like and respect Lindsay, both for her personality and her talent (her strokes are just great technique and hers is my favorite serve among the women's tour), but you better ask her about the player that, as you unpolitely say, kicked her ass in Championships '94 final and she'll tell you what kind of competition there was those days!

Sir Stefwhit
Sep 25th, 2005, 12:15 AM
Seles played 11 FOs. She won 3. That is 27.27 %.
If she had won one of those 93-95 FOs that would have meant 33.33 %.


No, Graf has 6 FOs and Seles only 3.
Graf is 3-3 H2H against Seles on clay, 1-1 during Seles's reign as #1.
Graf has 32 clay-court tournament wins, Seles only 12.

32 vs. 12 .............:lol: :lol: :lol:

BTW, how if Graf had played Roland Garros in 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003?
I hate to say it (he just recently bad repped me), but he's right. Seles winning three in a row was a feat definitely worthy of praise, but Graf had more success on this surface than Monica has by far. We all jump on Sharapova for not being able to slide and praise Justine for being such a great slider. These things were never said of Monica, luckily. Although it's very well known that she wasn't a natural mover on the surface. Seles is actually living proof that you don't have to be able to slide on the surface to be succesful on the surface. Even with that said, Steffi's game was much more suited to the surface. Her slices stayed low, her speed kept her in points, her footwork made her strong defensively, her forehand was almost as deadly as normal and made her strong offensively, and her natural ability to slide made her perfect for the clay. Monica's power game was so much further ahead of the rest of the fields that it covered up her weaker movement, in addition to that, the aggressive serve & volleyers were more hurt more by the surface, than Seles was helped by it- another factor for her success. Don't get me wrong, Seles was wonderful on the dirt. The way she would open the court, the power combined with her use of angles, and the way she would attack her opponents clay-weakened serves for winners were really amazing. I think she's one of the greatest, but I still give Steffi the edge over her.

wateva
Sep 25th, 2005, 02:41 AM
cliijsters has a few good wins this season...and all of a sudden she's a better hardcourter than venus? dream on.

if u look at their all time hard court winning percentage, venus is 233-48, 0.829. kim is 197-42, 0.824. so there's only 0.005 separating them. so it's not so much of a difference. so what if i have differing views from u. everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

the real top 5 players by winning percentages:

hard courts:
steffi graf 0.906
monica niculescu 0.889
martina navratilova 0.888
chris evert 0.859
serena williams 0.844

clay:
steffi graf 0.919
chris evert 0.916
chin wei chan 0.900
chia-jung chuang 0.882
monica seles 0.850

grass:
urska vesenjak 1.000
meike froenlich 1.000
steffi graf 0.915
maria sharapova 0.912
martina navratilova 0.906

indoors:
steffi graf 0.905
martina navratilova 0.896
kate macdonald 0.875
li na 0.857
nicole vaidisova 0.857