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MrSerenaWilliams
Jul 14th, 2005, 05:44 AM
Now that we are well past the 1/2 point of the tennis season, the results seem to make sense in the slams. The three winners and the two finalists have all been former champions and each of the three winners and one of the finalists have been #1. I think this is a much more consistent result. Much more consistent than last year. I think that last year because of injuries and complacence on the part of the sisters williams, we saw the three first time slam winners, none of which have been able to win six straight slam matches in order to reach another slam final. Sharapova has been the best of the bunch however. She reached the semis of the Oz Open and was | | close to beating Serena. She also reached the semis of Wimbledon. I think that Sharapova will continue to be a top player, but is the Russian domiation over? or was it even a domination at all?

ZAK
Jul 14th, 2005, 05:53 AM
I think through many threads we have established that most people don't believe the Russians ever dominated per se. They played well, got a little luck, and things fell together. That probably won't happen again. I agree with you that Sharapova is the consistent one and most likely to succeed in the future. Kuznetsova is not consistent, but she seems to have enough talent to strike again, and theres always Dementieva/Myskina ready to randomly pounce. In the near future Justine, Kim, Venus, Serena, Maria, and Lindsay will rule at the slams

pav
Jul 14th, 2005, 07:53 AM
No,but the tail of a whale is http://smileys.******************/cat/16/16_5_21.gif (http://www.******************/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYYYNZ)

Jakeev
Jul 14th, 2005, 09:07 AM
No,but the tail of a whale is http://smileys.******************/cat/16/16_5_21.gif (http://www.******************/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYYYNZ)

LOL LOL LOL

Can't believe yet another one of these threads popped up.....this is what? three since Wimbledon completed?

Shonami Slam
Jul 14th, 2005, 09:31 AM
well, for a second i thought you might take in consideration other scores this year, analyize them, add in other rising players and discuss the term in a way that can allow a new view.

nope.
so it doesn't really matter, i think reference to other threads would be best.

Dementinator
Jul 14th, 2005, 09:35 AM
its amazing how the Russinas seem to piss so many off!! :lol:

Well its true that the Russians havent burned a trail so far ,but in terms of dominating with their presence ,they ar every much still here! US tennis is dead in the water at the mo it seems with Dav retiring and Cappy cant be far behind ,the WS are very much alive and kicking and will always be serious contenders for a few years yet ,although I expect retirement sooner rather than later.

The Russians have many many players ,not just the current top ones , but many new up and comming players ,so they aint going anywhere ,and they will be a controlling force for some time ,the Belgians are obviously going to be up top ,but where are the others? there aint any ! no new Americans ,no new Beglians ,just Russians.

I dont know what the Russians are doing right ,but we could use it here in the uk thats for sure ,and while the Russians are not always technically perfect ,they sure have sould and fight like hell and for that i admire them a lot ,they are colorful and long may they continue!

Lets face it they had a sucessful space program with a budget of $19.99 and kept the Mir aloft with duct tape and glue for many years! whilst the more advanced nations with mega budgets just failed miserably ,ya gotta love em!!

Maria Croft
Jul 14th, 2005, 10:58 AM
are you serious ?! this is thread 1000 about this, meaning NO !! or else people wouldn't be asking it every 5 minutes

igost
Jul 14th, 2005, 12:20 PM
thread #7,523,417

boring :yawn:

ezekiel
Jul 14th, 2005, 12:34 PM
Yes, finally an original thread :rolleyes:

tennnisfannn
Jul 14th, 2005, 01:20 PM
I will say this for the nth time, the russians did what lindsay, amelie and jen couldn't do with the belgians and williams out of the picture. they were the second tier players after the four and when opportunity presented itself, only the Russians took advantage of it. That is truly commendable.
Imagine this, 7 slam, 6 winners, none of them lindsay or amelie. As for domination, who says they won't be able to make it.

goldenlox
Jul 14th, 2005, 02:36 PM
Definately no Russian domination. But 3 in the top 5. 5 in the top 10.
13 in the top 35 - 8 of them 20 or younger.
3 of the last 6 majors, plus the YEC and Fed Cup.
Add to that - Maria is 18, Sveta just turned 20.

xan
Jul 14th, 2005, 02:40 PM
There's been a brief period of rentrenchment, as the old guard fight back, but i think the Russian presence is so strong and deep, it will soon return to dominate.

Experimentee
Jul 14th, 2005, 02:46 PM
It wasnt a domination, as been discussed many times. The Russians who won Slams were not the favourites, it was a surprise and viewed as a bit flukey that they won, and a lot of the top players were injured or out of form. It isnt a domination when winning a Slam is a surprise, and positive head to heads against top players arent there.

Stamp Paid
Jul 14th, 2005, 02:48 PM
Domination of the rankings will resume, solely as a result of their quantity and not specifically their quality.

However, domination of the Slams and big titles have ceased. There is no Russian thats going to be able to get by 2 of the elites in succession. (Clijsters, Serena, Venus (if her Wimbledon form holds even 75%), and Henin-Hardenne) Davenport has a better chance at winning a slam than one of these Russians.

K-Dog
Jul 14th, 2005, 02:54 PM
The thing is that most commentators call it a Russian revolution because there are SO many of them on the tour at the moment. There is only one "Russian" player that is really an elite player at the moment, the being Sharapova. Otherwise we know who the other best players really are: Lindsay, Amelie, Justine, Kim, Venus, and Serena.

As far as winning those 3 slams in a row, one must wonder if it was a fluke or not. I believe that each girl who won took advantage of their situations and won that tournament as if it was another tour event. They each beat top players when they were clearly not playing their bests except Maria who played like a veteren throughout that whole two week span. Sveta and Myskina got lucky that Venus and Jen didn't show up to play in France and that Lindsay got injured against Sveta.

andrewbroad
Aug 11th, 2005, 02:27 AM
Years of hard work by many people laid the groundwork for the three Russian Grand Slam champions last year, Russia's Fed Cup triumph and countless other successes.

They have a conveyor-belt of excellent players (particularly by way of the Nick Bollettieri academy in Florida), and these players are extremely tough because of the difficult conditions they grew up in.

It wouldn't be surprising to see 20 Russians in the top 40 by the end of this decade, and I think we're going to see plenty more Russian Grand Slam titles in the future (starting with Maria Sharapova's).

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Ceecor
Aug 11th, 2005, 03:13 AM
Q..why arent there more (say) USA players in the top 16...or aussies or martians.
russians are dominating coz on the whole at preasent the average russian is a better player..
take the 10 best from each country and divide..or better yet a smaller ammount
opps..... they do that dont they......they call it fed cup.

fammmmedspin
Aug 11th, 2005, 03:32 AM
Either the Russians will get back to form and find that Kim and Justine are less consistent than in 2003, Serena and Venus are even less consistent and playing less, Momo has accumalated even more mental baggage and Lindsay is suffering again from injury or they won't.

njnetswill
Aug 11th, 2005, 03:41 AM
How can you coordinate a dozen players to perform a fluke over a span of a year? :confused:

Blonde_Ambition7
Aug 11th, 2005, 03:43 AM
i think they're good players who realized they had an oppurtunity and took an advatage of it. now that the oppurtunity is getting smaller the results aren't the same. i think some of them will stick around in the top 10 but not as many...

maria is here to stay haha sorry...

Rub
Aug 11th, 2005, 04:33 AM
it wasn't really a fluke because the actually dominated that year... howver, with the return of the TOP players... the revival of the williams and the comebacks of the belgians, they're history already!

in other words, they only dominated because of the absence of top players due to injury or poor form...

~ The Leopard ~
Aug 11th, 2005, 04:54 AM
I didn't see any domination, just particular events at particular tournaments with particular non-Russians struggling in different ways. Things opened up nicely for Masha in particular (but of course full credit to her for taking advantage). For example, there was no feeling going into the AO this year that a Russian was going to win. Without that feeling, I can't see how the Russians were a dominant force.

Ceecor
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:00 AM
So...if russia didnt or are not dominating what country is? this isnt about a player or 2 or even 3..but as a country

Volcana
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:18 AM
fluke? Well if the only way to NOT be a fluke is to duplicate a performance, then yes, the 'Russian Domination' was a fluke. It would be ne to see at least a few people her arguing we were going to see a wave of Russian slam winners in the next year ot two. Even fans of the Russian players seem to view it as a fluke.

Ceecor
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:28 AM
hey why not count how many russians are in top 10, top 20, top 30 and compare it to any other country? then we can see if they are dominating as a country and how are they going in a country vrs country tourn' called fed cup..etc etc

ezekiel
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:31 AM
Obviously it is a fluke now. Pretty much all the russian players have played significantly worse this year and after USO only Maria is a lock for top 10. They just failed to adjust and improve and seemingly got too confident which led to their slumps. I think we will learn soon enough that quantity doesn't equal quality

ezekiel
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:33 AM
hey why not count how many russians are in top 10, top 20, top 30 and compare it to any other country? then we can see if they are dominating as a country and how are they going in a country vrs country tourn' called fed cup..etc etc

after USO, it's very likely there will only be 1 in top 10

ezekiel
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:35 AM
So...if russia didnt or are not dominating what country is? this isnt about a player or 2 or even 3..but as a country

it's an individual sport so it doesn't matter

ezekiel
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:37 AM
it wasn't really a fluke because the actually dominated that year... howver, with the return of the TOP players... the revival of the williams and the comebacks of the belgians, they're history already!

in other words, they only dominated because of the absence of top players due to injury or poor form...

Same as Graf. Only when Monica wasn't around

Portobello
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:37 AM
thread like this again n again.... :o
Try sth new n more interesting,guys :p

Ceecor
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:38 AM
read the thread title........ russia isnt an individual

ezekiel
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:45 AM
no country is dominating fortunatelly
Russia now seems like Czechoslovakia(navratilova excluded) of the 80-90 with lots of second tier players who have something missing to go to the next level.

Ceecor
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:51 AM
do you not have access to a list of the top 100 players and what countries they are from?

ezekiel
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:58 AM
Are you slow?

I know how many are in top 100 but it doesn't matter in this discussion. What matters is quality, wins and slams etc

How many russian players won this year?
No, I really want to know

Ceecor
Aug 11th, 2005, 06:06 AM
nah slow is having to try and resort to a personal insult to make a point

QUOTE=ezekiel]it's an individual sport so it doesn't matter[/QUOTE]

the thread was about country

no country is dominating fortunatelly
Russia now seems like Czechoslovakia(navratilova excluded) of the 80-90 with lots of second tier players who have something missing to go to the next level.

some might even be third tier, which doesnt help those ranked behind them.

try and new tack each one keeps failing.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Aug 11th, 2005, 06:27 AM
Definately no Russian domination. But 3 in the top 5. 5 in the top 10.
13 in the top 35 - 8 of them 20 or younger.
3 of the last 6 majors, plus the YEC and Fed Cup.
Add to that - Maria is 18, Sveta just turned 20.


The thread founder got....

OWNED!

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Lemonskin.
Aug 11th, 2005, 08:12 AM
How do we know its just not a fluke the Russians ARENT dominating? ;)

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Aug 11th, 2005, 03:39 PM
Owned....

Rexman
Aug 11th, 2005, 03:43 PM
I've said all along that 2006 will be the real "telling year" for the WTA tour as to who is going to get to the top and stay there.

Anyone who expected the Russian girls to repeat 2004 were incredibly naive. Not because they aren't talented, but because it takes time to adapt from hunter to hunted, and the old guard (Williams, Davenport etc) are watching them more closely now.

If you look at who the Russians are losing to right now, it's not the comebacks of the Belgians or the Williams for the most part (with the exception of maybe Maria), it's that they are getting beat by people they should not be losing to in a million years, or in some cases, going through personal trauma's (Myskina). After what the sister's had to go through (Sister's death, parent's split), I would think their fans would be more understanding of things like this, rather than criticizing the players and saying their victories were flukes.

I think we can all agree that most the Russians are not playing their best tennis, which is unfortunate because if they were, we'd be getting some amazing matches right now. I mean really, if all the players are playing at least decently at the U.S. Open, from the 4th round on you can pretty much throw out the seedings as they won't matter.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:24 PM
Same as Graf. Only when Monica wasn't around
Monica was around 95,96,97. She even won A slam.

There was no russian domination

Calimera377
Aug 11th, 2005, 05:45 PM
Same as Graf. Only when Monica wasn't around

very true. :lol:

ace4lleykim
Aug 11th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Last year, about Russians, but this year, even though many are in the top 10 but they struggle alot. Haven't hear alot about them for awhile.

Volcana
Aug 11th, 2005, 09:27 PM
Definately no Russian domination. But 3 in the top 5. 5 in the top 10.
13 in the top 35 - 8 of them 20 or younger.
3 of the last 6 majors, plus the YEC and Fed Cup.
Add to that - Maria is 18, Sveta just turned 20.That line of logic is way less impressive when you look at how it's trending.

"3 in the top 5" has become 2 in the top 5.
"13 in the top 35" has become 11 in the top 35

Three GS title holders in 2004 has become zero GS title holders in 2005.

And all eleven of those Russians in the top 35 except Elena Bovina had to play MORE than 17 tournaments a year to get those rankings. Six of them had to play twenty or more.

Now look at the non-Russian players in the top ten. NONE of them have more than seventeen tournaments, and only Mauresmo has that many.

Meaning the Russians aren't performing as well as this ranking system makes them look. Their worst results are dropped.

pigam
Aug 11th, 2005, 10:00 PM
I will say this for the nth time, the russians did what lindsay, amelie and jen couldn't do with the belgians and williams out of the picture. they were the second tier players after the four and when opportunity presented itself, only the Russians took advantage of it. That is truly commendable.
Imagine this, 7 slam, 6 winners, none of them lindsay or amelie. As for domination, who says they won't be able to make it.
this is very correct :yeah: