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icequeen
Jul 12th, 2005, 12:24 PM
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icequeen
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:05 PM
bump

reeandverule4eva
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:39 PM
yes, A slam isn't a slam unless the sisters are in it

icequeen
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:08 PM
You are right about that. I'll take it a step further...a tournament is not a tournament unless a Williams is present. I just hope my girls are ready for the US Open and they are on opposite sides of the draw.

Geisha
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:11 PM
Same here, IceQueen.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:37 PM
yes, A slam isn't a slam unless the sisters are in it

People dont want to admit it..but its true...The Williams Sisters bring EXCITEMENT on the court. Their game is impressive, they wear unique clothes clothes, they are very competitive and we just love it!!!!

furrykitten
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:41 PM
Stands to reason the ratings will be higher when American players are on American Television stations. I like both Williams sisters, but would the ratings be higher for Maria Sharapova or Serena Williams on BBC in the UK?

Pureracket
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:31 PM
Stands to reason the ratings will be higher when American players are on American Television stations. I like both Williams sisters, but would the ratings be higher for Maria Sharapova or Serena Williams on BBC in the UK?Good question. You have to understand, though: Just as many people tune in to watch Serena lose as the people who tune in to watch her win. Maria Sharapova isn't quite as compelling yet.

icequeen
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:45 PM
People dont want to admit it..but its true...The Williams Sisters bring EXCITEMENT on the court. Their game is impressive, they wear unique clothes clothes, they are very competitive and we just love it!!!!

It's really funny when Vee played in the finals of wimbeldon Dick went on and on about her not wearing any accessories...not tell me which other player would they have taken notice of had the player not worn any accessories..Well, I guess the sisters all stand out when they walk on court. Anyway my girl meant to win Wimbeldon and she did not want any distractions...I kinda miss the accessories though. I always like their necklaces and earrings...always very different.

icequeen
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:46 PM
Stands to reason the ratings will be higher when American players are on American Television stations. I like both Williams sisters, but would the ratings be higher for Maria Sharapova or Serena Williams on BBC in the UK?


I have no idea but I know the ratings skyrocked in Australia when Serena played her semi-final.

icequeen
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:47 PM
Good question. You have to understand, though: Just as many people tune in to watch Serena lose as the people who tune in to watch her win. Maria Sharapova isn't quite as compelling yet.


So true Pureracket. I think the same can be said for the U.S. too when people tune in to see them play.. But then again, that is kind of contradictory because when they play each other the rating are very high..so I don't know.

Williams Rulez
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:48 PM
It's really funny when Vee played in the finals of wimbeldon Dick went on and on about her not wearing any accessories...not tell me which other player would they have taken notice of had the player not worn any accessories..Well, I guess the sisters all stand out when they walk on court. Anyway my girl meant to win Wimbeldon and she did not want any distractions...I kinda miss the accessories though. I always like their necklaces and earrings...always very different.so true...

SelesFan70
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:49 PM
What's American TV gonna do when there are no top American women or men?!?!? :tape:

sartrista7
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:50 PM
You are right about that. I'll take it a step further...a tournament is not a tournament unless a Williams is present. I just hope my girls are ready for the US Open and they are on opposite sides of the draw.

God, you're a fucking idiot.

Sometimes I wish that the entire top ten would just retire on the spot so that morons who refuse to appreciate the whole tour would fuck off.

darcia
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:47 PM
Stands to reason the ratings will be higher when American players are on American Television stations. I like both Williams sisters, but would the ratings be higher for Maria Sharapova or Serena Williams on BBC in the UK?

I can't find the post now, but a couple days after the match someone from the UK did post that this years women's final had higher ratings in Britain than last year's.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:05 PM
It's really funny when Vee played in the finals of wimbeldon Dick went on and on about her not wearing any accessories...not tell me which other player would they have taken notice of had the player not worn any accessories..Well, I guess the sisters all stand out when they walk on court. Anyway my girl meant to win Wimbeldon and she did not want any distractions...I kinda miss the accessories though. I always like their necklaces and earrings...always very different.

Yeah she lefta all of it out...but usually they do play with long earings, bracelets, they use to have the beads in their hair, Serena and her infamous outfits too.....you dont see that from other players. But yeah good ole Vee was about business this past Wimbledon...she left EVERYTHING off lol

Veenut
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:12 PM
God, you're a fucking idiot.

Sometimes I wish that the entire top ten would just retire on the spot so that morons who refuse to appreciate the whole tour would fuck off.

I understand your frustration but the facts are just the facts whether you wish to face it or not. There are several empirical evidence to support this even if you want to deny it. Organizers and promotors recognize this fact and try to get them respective of their rank.

Check and see who are among the names listed by the AO execs for the success of 2005. The women tv ratings also were better than the men also.

The sport is not for snobs only, but for those who care about one or more players. They have just as much right as you who appreciate the whole tour. Disregard the rest of us who love specific players, the same way we disregard most of the tour. :rolleyes:

Marcell
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:20 PM
The commentators were being too philosophical about Venus' appearance.Venus said in her interview that the only reason she was not wearing her earrings was because it was getting caught in the towel and she didn't want to worry about that.I have to agree that the Sisters do attract a lot of people who would not ordinarily watch Tennis.My grandmother is 89yrs old,knows absolutely nothing about tennis,has bad eye sight but whenever the sisters are playing she is parked in front of the television getting her tennis on.She cracks me up because everytime tennis is on she thinks it's Venus or Serena playing.

TonyP
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:24 PM
This couldn't be that black viewers in America watch the Williams sisters, but don't watch when a black player is not in the match, could it? With 30 million African Americans in the US, they could constitute a sizeable chunk of viewers.

As to the ratings of Roger vs. Andy, since Andy was 1-8 against Roger going into the match, I fear most people predicted the outcome of that final long before the players took the court. What they missed, however, was a display of skill and mastery that you rarely find in women's tennis. Not just two people standing on the baseline slamming balls at one another.

sartrista7
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:26 PM
I understand your frustration but the facts are just the facts whether you wish to face it or not. There are several empirical evidence to support this even if you want to deny it. Organizers and promotors recognize this fact and try to get them respective of their rank.

Check and see who are among the names listed by the AO execs for the success of 2005. The women tv ratings also were better than the men also.

The sport is not for snobs only, but for those who care about one or more players. They have just as much right as you who appreciate the whole tour. Disregard the rest of us who love specific players, the same way we disregard most of the tour. :rolleyes:

I don't care who supports whom. Obviously not everyone's going to be interested in the whole tour, that's fine. I just don't like it when ignorant people like icequeen disrespect all but two of the players on tour. Without them, there wouldn't be a tour for her precious faves to play on. Regardless of who you cheer for, you should respect everyone on tour.

It's more snobbish to dismiss the efforts of 100+ hard-working girls out of sheer ignorance :rolleyes:

LeRoy.
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:26 PM
Shouldn't Lindsay also get some credit here ? She is American and she played a great final so i am sure she played a part in the high ratings :)

Diesel
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:27 PM
This couldn't be that black viewers in America watch the Williams sisters, but don't watch when a black player is not in the match, could it? With 30 million African Americans in the US, they could constitute a sizeable chunk of viewers.

Last time I checked the Williams Sisters were still American and Americans can and do have the tendacy to watch tennis and when their own are playing. I can't imagine 'white' people were put off when one of the contestants was white, the majority of the fans at the match were white, so I think at least here in America, the American' contingent far outweighs any one racial background tuning in :rolleyes:

Stamp Paid
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:35 PM
The commentators were being too philosophical about Venus' appearance.Venus said in her interview that the only reason she was not wearing her earrings was because it was getting caught in the towel and she didn't want to worry about that.I have to agree that the Sisters do attract a lot of people who would not ordinarily watch Tennis.My grandmother is 89yrs old,knows absolutely nothing about tennis,has bad eye sight but whenever the sisters are playing she is parked in front of the television getting her tennis on.She cracks me up because everytime tennis is on she thinks it's Venus or Serena playing.

lmao, my Grandmadoes too, she calls Serena "Sabrina". :lol::lol::lol:

Veenut
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:49 PM
I don't care who supports whom. Obviously not everyone's going to be interested in the whole tour, that's fine. I just don't like it when ignorant people like icequeen disrespect all but two of the players on tour. Without them, there wouldn't be a tour for her precious faves to play on. Regardless of who you cheer for, you should respect everyone on tour.

It's more snobbish to dismiss the efforts of 100+ hard-working girls out of sheer ignorance :rolleyes:

I really didn't read any thing disrespectful to others in the post. I think everyone is at liberty to enjoy the sport in anyway they choose and an individual should not be castigated because they appreciate the sport in a different way.

Some people are just more zealous than some when they fave(s) win. Some people are so taken in by their fave, that even after retirement they refuse to enjoy tennis presently. :tape:

In any case, to me it is all good for the sport. As a lover of the sport I don't think you would like it to be like hockey, where they cancelled the season and no one cares except the very fes die hard fans. :tape:

max122
Jul 12th, 2005, 08:02 PM
They are too good!

Veenut
Jul 12th, 2005, 08:13 PM
This couldn't be that black viewers in America watch the Williams sisters, but don't watch when a black player is not in the match, could it? With 30 million African Americans in the US, they could constitute a sizeable chunk of viewers.

As to the ratings of Roger vs. Andy, since Andy was 1-8 against Roger going into the match, I fear most people predicted the outcome of that final long before the players took the court. What they missed, however, was a display of skill and mastery that you rarely find in women's tennis. Not just two people standing on the baseline slamming balls at one another.

You are correct in that more African-Americans might watch than normal but judging from my experience the majority still don't watch tennis at all. There are quite a few who I know who didn't watch and don't care to watch any tennis. Therefore don't "kid" yourself thinking that this due mainly to just African-American.

For what ever reason it is very clear that people prefer the "base line bashing" to the "mastery of skills" as you characterize it. I can never understand why people castegate others for their preference because it doesn't coinside with theirs. Feel free to enjoy your style of playing while I and obviously the majority of viewers enjoy ours without being chided for it.

I enjoy hard hitting, fierce, tension filled, drama tennis and I make no appologies for it. :D Naturally it is even more satisfying when the player you love the most is embattled in it and holds up the trophy. :bounce:

icequeen
Jul 12th, 2005, 08:46 PM
God, you're a fucking idiot.

Sometimes I wish that the entire top ten would just retire on the spot so that morons who refuse to appreciate the whole tour would fuck off.

Sweetie you need to take a breather. You are going to give yourself high blood pressure. :devil:

icequeen
Jul 12th, 2005, 08:51 PM
I don't care who supports whom. Obviously not everyone's going to be interested in the whole tour, that's fine. I just don't like it when ignorant people like icequeen disrespect all but two of the players on tour. Without them, there wouldn't be a tour for her precious faves to play on. Regardless of who you cheer for, you should respect everyone on tour.

It's more snobbish to dismiss the efforts of 100+ hard-working girls out of sheer ignorance :rolleyes:


Look dude I respect who the F....I want to respect and you can't do a damn thing about it. Capeesh

RVD
Jul 12th, 2005, 08:51 PM
You are correct in that more African-Americans might watch than normal but judging from my experience the majority still don't watch tennis at all. There are quite a few who I know who didn't watch and don't care to watch any tennis. Therefore don't "kid" yourself thinking that this due mainly to just African-American.

For what ever reason it is very clear that people prefer the "base line bashing" to the "mastery of skills" as you characterize it. I can never understand why people castegate others for their preference because it doesn't coinside with theirs. Feel free to enjoy your style of playing while I and obviously the majority of viewers enjoy ours without being chided for it.

I enjoy hard hitting, fierce, tension filled, drama tennis and I make no appologies for it. :D Naturally it is even more satisfying when the player you love the most is embattled in it and holds up the trophy. :bounce:I agree with your post in it's entirety. ;)

It's quite presumptuous to suggest that the increase in viewer-ship is due to one ethnicity. In fact, none of my friends even like tennis, because they think it's a wussie sport. :lol: I'm not sure what TonyP is suggesting, but, whatever.

The increase, as already stated, is quite possibly due to the fact that Venus actually made it to the finals. She was this year's Cinderella story. Win or lose, people tune in to see the Williams play because they invoke such strong emotions in Haters and Admirers alike. Just look at how sartrista7 is reacting to a very positive post about the sisters. He is fabricating a situation that doesn't even exist to invoke hateful emotions. Yeah he hates the sisters, but he watches them. :haha: This appears to be how it is with most new and old fans. Especially the ones on this message board. The more they hate em, the more they watch.
Love em or hate em, you just gotta watch em. :bounce:

icequeen
Jul 12th, 2005, 08:52 PM
Shouldn't Lindsay also get some credit here ? She is American and she played a great final so i am sure she played a part in the high ratings :)


Ofcourse she did. It was two old timers battling it out on center court. When I say old timers I don't mean in age either.

Pureracket
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:02 PM
This couldn't be that black viewers in America watch the Williams sisters, but don't watch when a black player is not in the match, could it? With 30 million African Americans in the US, they could constitute a sizeable chunk of viewers.

As to the ratings of Roger vs. Andy, since Andy was 1-8 against Roger going into the match, I fear most people predicted the outcome of that final long before the players took the court. What they missed, however, was a display of skill and mastery that you rarely find in women's tennis. Not just two people standing on the baseline slamming balls at one another.Whether the viewers were Black or not, they are still, Americans, right? I'm not sure where you're going with this point. Ratings are ratings, regardless of the ethnicity of the viewers.

TonyP
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:31 PM
No question, that there are more white fans than black fans. That's why African Americans are known in America as a minority. But I have attended tournaments in California in three different venues, Indian Wells, Manhattan Beach and Staples Center where the Williams sisters have played. When they are there, there are black fans in the stands. When they don't play, there is hardly a black face to be seen in the crowd.

Nothing wrong with this, but it is one explanation for increased TV ratings when they play. especially at events where a good size black population lives, like Los Angeles. Not a lot of black faces in the stands at Indian Wells, no matter who is playing.

Of course, all those fans may have tuned in last Sunday to see that other American, Davenport, but I doubt it.

And one final point, yes there are different styles of play and many people prefer the hard hitting, what I call ball bashing, from the baseline style. For many people, the power is what is appealing.

Many people want to see the point over as quickly as possible, whether it is ended by a winner or by an unforced error. But then, Americans love movies where things blow up and are destroyed in a flash of smoke and flames.

The need to have it over with quickly is one reason Americans in general don't do all that well on clay. Sampras never had the patience to play well there.

For me though, good tennis is a little like sex. If it is really fun, why would you want it over with quickly? For me, there is a lot of fun in wtching a great clay court rally taking place, because you are watching players maneuver each other around until they can make the kill shot. Constructing a point is as much of a thrill as winning point.

Could it be that in today's short attention span world fed by TV and computer games, that too many people have never experienced that thrill? TV remote controls have helped weaken American minds. As someone once said, Americans don't want to know what's on TV, they want to know what else is on TV.

Pureracket
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:46 PM
No question, that there are more white fans than black fans. That's why African Americans are known in America as a minority. But I have attended tournaments in California in three different venues, Indian Wells, Manhattan Beach and Staples Center where the Williams sisters have played. When they are there, there are black fans in the stands. When they don't play, there is hardly a black face to be seen in the crowd.

Nothing wrong with this, but it is one explanation for increased TV ratings when they play. especially at events where a good size black population lives, like Los Angeles. Not a lot of black faces in the stands at Indian Wells, no matter who is playing.

Of course, all those fans may have tuned in last Sunday to see that other American, Davenport, but I doubt it.You're missing the point, though. I'm sure that whatever base tuned in has a reason. Whenever the first Korean-American tennis player makes it to the Grand Slam Final, I'm sure Korean-American will tune. However, I am not sure what your point is about Black viewership. I would not be surprised if Blacks watched the match more, but I think quite a few white viewers tuned in in order to follow the compelling Williams Sisters story.

Oddly enough, you seem to always bring up race in the topics about Venus and Serena. Even odder, they seem to have little basis for the discussion.

Pureracket
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:49 PM
No question, that there are more white fans than black fans. That's why African Americans are known in America as a minority. But I have attended tournaments in California in three different venues, Indian Wells, Manhattan Beach and Staples Center where the Williams sisters have played. When they are there, there are black fans in the stands. When they don't play, there is hardly a black face to be seen in the crowd.

Nothing wrong with this, but it is one explanation for increased TV ratings when they play. especially at events where a good size black population lives, like Los Angeles. Not a lot of black faces in the stands at Indian Wells, no matter who is playing.

Of course, all those fans may have tuned in last Sunday to see that other American, Davenport, but I doubt it.

And one final point, yes there are different styles of play and many people prefer the hard hitting, what I call ball bashing, from the baseline style. For many people, the power is what is appealing.

Many people want to see the point over as quickly as possible, whether it is ended by a winner or by an unforced error. But then, Americans love movies where things blow up and are destroyed in a flash of smoke and flames.

The need to have it over with quickly is one reason Americans in general don't do all that well on clay. Sampras never had the patience to play well there.

For me though, good tennis is a little like sex. If it is really fun, why would you want it over with quickly? For me, there is a lot of fun in wtching a great clay court rally taking place, because you are watching players maneuver each other around until they can make the kill shot. Constructing a point is as much of a thrill as winning point.

Could it be that in today's short attention span world fed by TV and computer games, that too many people have never experienced that thrill? TV remote controls have helped weaken American minds. As someone once said, Americans don't want to know what's on TV, they want to know what else is on TV.If this point were true, it seems that more viewers would have tuned in to see the shorter men's match with the "ballbashing" Andy Roddick.

Becool
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:49 PM
lmao, my Grandmadoes too, she calls Serena "Sabrina". :lol::lol::lol:

That's cute hahaha :)

Veenut
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:35 PM
Hey, what is thrilling for you is certainly not for me and no quarrel from me either. People just have varied interest and like different style with various things and you have to respect that. For instance I hate action packed movies, I'm more the tear jerker, real romance, and moral of the story type person, but I'm not going to devalue people who love action.

As for clay tennis, all it tells me is that if you are a mediocre player here is your best chance to win a major, hence the one slam wonders. Do you think that Hinges did not posses what it took to win the FO either? All that you stated about clay I think is garbage.

As for sex, what ever way you like it, high or low impact all good things must come to and end!!! On that subject you would find far more variety of what people like but to each their own. If it was exciting and enjoyable then it is somthing to look forward to again and again. :D

People have the choice to tune into what they like, just as you have the right to tune out. Most of us are happy with the current women's matches and you are happy watching Federer so what is your problem? Why are you having such a hard time dealing with the success of women's tennis? :(

Veenut
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:55 PM
Whether the viewers were Black or not, they are still, Americans, right? I'm not sure where you're going with this point. Ratings are ratings, regardless of the ethnicity of the viewers.

You would think that as an avid tennis fan, as he claimed to be, he would be happy that the ratings are good in order to keep tennis on tv. :confused: Wasn't he one of those after the "exciting" FO was concerned about the state of women's tennis?

Now that all the attention is back on the Williams and many people are excited again he feels the need to convince us that it can't be them. He and co. can't face the impact that they have on the sport. As expected bile juices are flowing very heavily right now. :lol:

sartrista7
Jul 13th, 2005, 12:05 AM
Just look at how sartrista7 is reacting to a very positive post about the sisters. He is fabricating a situation that doesn't even exist to invoke hateful emotions. Yeah he hates the sisters, but he watches them.

:retard:

I don't hate the sisters. I love Venus, and was vociferously cheering for her in the Wimbledon final. I've loved Venus since 1997. Serena, I can take or leave, but I certainly admire her accomplishments. Where do you get the impression that I hate either of them? Fool.

Icequeen was essentially saying that the sisters are the only players who matter, and that the rest of the tour ain't shit. That's not a positive post, that's a negative post. And it's also total bollocks.

TonyP
Jul 13th, 2005, 12:34 AM
Watching Federer is NOT a problem. He is almost universally recognized as the greatest artist on the tennis court today. That's not just my opinion, but the opinion of virtually everyone who is PAID to have an opinion, everyone who actually attends tennis matches and watches the pros play.

However, another Swiss artist may be slowly returning to form. It was amazing the other night to watch her hit volleys, drop shots, perfectly placed lobs and passing shots with just astounding angles. She was playing the greatest woman player in tennis history and do you know what that woman frequently did?

She clapped for her opponent's amazing shot making ability as that woman was bageling her.

Again, to each his or her own and for some, that kind of tennis is not fun to watch. But for anyone raised in the traditions of tennis, today's big babe slug fests are often just one note bores.

volta
Jul 13th, 2005, 12:37 AM
yes they did and will do it all more often :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Infiniti2001
Jul 13th, 2005, 12:37 AM
Watching Federer is NOT a problem. He is almost universally recognized as the greatest artist on the tennis court today. That's not just my opinion, but the opinion of virtually everyone who is PAID to have an opinion, everyone who actually attends tennis matches and watches the pros play.

However, another Swiss artist may be slowly returning to form. It was amazing the other night to watch her hit volleys, drop shots, perfectly placed lobs and passing shots with just astounding angles. She was playing the greatest woman player in tennis history and do you know what that woman frequently did?

She clapped for her opponent's amazing shot making ability as that woman was bageling her.

Again, to each his or her own and for some, that kind of tennis is not fun to watch. But for anyone raised in the traditions of tennis, today's big babe slug fests are often just one note bores.


Uh it was an entertainment match not no major competition.Put Hingis up against Venus or Lindsay or Maria or Serena or Amelie or Justine or Kim or even Sveta or Anastasia or Elena and we'll see how much she's returning to form. Oh well, keep on waiting and hoping :tape :

Infiniti2001
Jul 13th, 2005, 12:44 AM
P.S. lots of other people like big babe tennis :p

icequeen
Jul 13th, 2005, 12:44 AM
:retard:

I don't hate the sisters. I love Venus, and was vociferously cheering for her in the Wimbledon final. I've loved Venus since 1997. Serena, I can take or leave, but I certainly admire her accomplishments. Where do you get the impression that I hate either of them? Fool.

Icequeen was essentially saying that the sisters are the only players who matter, and that the rest of the tour ain't shit. That's not a positive post, that's a negative post. And it's also total bollocks.

Pray tell me where did I say that? You are partially right the sisters are the only players who matter to MEME. Negative to you but not to me.

icequeen
Jul 13th, 2005, 12:46 AM
Watching Federer is NOT a problem. He is almost universally recognized as the greatest artist on the tennis court today. That's not just my opinion, but the opinion of virtually everyone who is PAID to have an opinion, everyone who actually attends tennis matches and watches the pros play.

However, another Swiss artist may be slowly returning to form. It was amazing the other night to watch her hit volleys, drop shots, perfectly placed lobs and passing shots with just astounding angles. She was playing the greatest woman player in tennis history and do you know what that woman frequently did?

She clapped for her opponent's amazing shot making ability as that woman was bageling her.

Again, to each his or her own and for some, that kind of tennis is not fun to watch. But for anyone raised in the traditions of tennis, today's big babe slug fests are often just one note bores.

Please Tony let your so call Swiss artist bring her ass back on the regular court with regular players and see what is going to happen to her. But then again you don't need me to tell you what will happen to her...you already know.

Veenut
Jul 13th, 2005, 10:21 PM
Hey TonyP, if the so called Swiss artist couldn't stand the heat two years ago I hardly think she is going to hold up now with an ankle "injury". You can continue to live in dreamland as I'm sure you will have company there.

Remember she stated she doesn't want to struggle like Venus. Well Venus can say to her "look at me now, I struggled my way to another Wimbledon title". :cool: Thank God for the faves I have they are willing to work hard, struggle through injuries and persevere. :worship: