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VeeDaQueen
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:29 AM
What has been the biggest choke of all time (or greatest comeback, if your cup is half full ;))?


Wasn't Gabriela Sabatini up 6-0 5-0 40-0 against Mary Joe Fernandez at the French Open? Name some other ones :D

Marta Domachowska was up 6-2 5-2 yesterday against Yan Zi and lost 2-6 7-6 6-1 :haha:

tennislover
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:44 AM
How about Momo? :sad:

Vamos Feńa
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:53 AM
Novotna...
Jankovic coming from 0/6 3/5 (saving mp) to 5/1 in 3rd losing 8/10
Hingis at Aus Open final :sad: blowing 4 mps
Ai (mostly this season)

VeeDaQueen
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:19 AM
not career chokes ;)

I'm talking about match chokes ;) Who had a really big lead in a match and still lost the match.

ceiling_fan
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:23 AM
Wasn't Gabriela Sabatini up 6-0 5-0 40-0 against Mary Joe Fernandez at the French Open? Name some other ones :D


if that was a final, i would pretty much want to kill myself if i was in that position

VeeDaQueen
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:27 AM
if that was a final, i would pretty much want to kill myself if i was in that position

I was wrong ;) Gabriela was leading 6-1 5-1 in the quarterfinals of Roland Garros. Mary Joe saved five match points to win the match 1-6 7-6(4) 10-8. Does anyone have this match recorded :D

MLF
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:28 AM
Wasn't Gabriela Sabatini up 6-0 5-0 40-0 against Mary Joe Fernandez at the French Open?

No, it was 61 5-1 40-15, but still a nasty loss ;) Gaby also managed to lose to Kimiko Date in the Miami semis after leading 6-1 5-1.

Novotna led Graf 6-7 6-1 4-1 40-30 in the '93 Wimbledon final, double faulted and then fell apart.

Novotna also wasted 9 mps against Rubin in the French Open when leading 6-7 6-4 5-0 40-0 before losing 7-6 4-6 8-6

Kurhajcova led Raymond 6-0 5-0 at the 2004 French Open 1st round with mps for a double bagel before losing 0-6 7-5 6-3

VeeDaQueen
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:30 AM
No, it was 61 5-1 40-15, but still a nasty loss ;) Gaby also managed to lose to Kimiko Date in the Miami semis after leading 6-1 5-1.

Novotna led Graf 6-7 6-1 4-1 40-30 in the '93 Wimbledon final, double faulted and then fell apart.

Novotna also wasted 9 mps against Rubin in the French Open when leading 6-7 6-4 5-0 40-0 before losing 7-6 4-6 8-6

Novotna :o. A Wimbledon final and she chokes :eek: Poor girl. But at least she eventually won it :D

JenFan75
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:31 AM
At the USO a few years ago Dokic was up 5-1 against Pierce in the third set and lost.

spudrsca
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:35 AM
The one who lost some years ago against Chanda Rubin in Rolland-garros.
I don't remember her name.

Darop.
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:07 AM
Silvia leading 6-3 5-2 against Kim Clijsters :o

SpikeyAidanm
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:08 AM
Marta Domachowska was up 6-2 5-2 yesterday against Yan Zi and lost 2-6 7-6 6-1 :haha:

Similarly...

Hantuchova leads Molik 6-2, 5-2 40-15

loses 2-6, 7-5, 6-0 :p

Lemonskin.
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:31 AM
Similarly...

Hantuchova leads Molik 6-2, 5-2 40-15

loses 2-6, 7-5, 6-0 :p
:eek: Where was that? :D

selestribe
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:32 AM
I was wrong ;) Gabriela was leading 6-1 5-1 in the quarterfinals of Roland Garros. Mary Joe saved five match points to win the match 1-6 7-6(4) 10-8. Does anyone have this match recorded :D

Yes, and that was a weird match ... Gaby usually had many problems with Mary Joe, especially in grand slams, but she couldn't lose this match !!!
I think she has never been the same player after that loss !

One big choke was the 2003 Australian Open SF when Clijsters was up something like 5-1 in the 3rd against Serena, had 2 or 3 MPs and totally lost control while she served twice for the match and haven't won another game ... she lost 7-5 !!! Incredible !

Jakeev
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:33 AM
I didn't see the matches, but I remember in 2003, Anna Smashnova and Vera Zvonareva, each lost to each in two different tournaments after having big leads. (although I don't remember if match points were involved)

John.
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:40 AM
Novotna and Gaby where the biggest chokers.

Gaby at RG in 93, Miami in 95, and Wimby in 91 also. The fact her serve was pants didn't help her either.

Novotna at Wimby in 93, RG in 95 and USO in 98 where she was 4-1 up(2 breaks) in her semi against Hingis.

vutt
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:43 AM
At the USO a few years ago Dokic was up 5-1 against Pierce in the third set and lost.

I could not sleep after that loss. I did not watch not a single USO match after that. Missed few high quality JuJu, Capriati matches because of that :o

--
Myskinas win over Jankovic was entertaining in a typical female tennis sort of way :devil:

DomenicDemaria
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:50 AM
At the USO a few years ago Dokic was up 5-1 against Pierce in the third set and lost.

I was about to turn off my t.v when i mary went down 5-1 coz she was playin so badly in that set and on match point in the second set mary's shot just missed. So mary almost choked. Then suddenly out of nowhere mary just started playing really good. The tiebreak was really tight and mary got the lucky break in the end winning 6-2, 6-7, 7-6(7-5) in the final set tiebreak. It was a good win for mary but should of been 6-2,6-4.

alex.2812
Jul 12th, 2005, 12:08 PM
myskina loss at athens last year, she led 5/7 7/5 5/1 against henin and lost 7/5 5/7 8/6.

©@®eLess
Jul 12th, 2005, 12:20 PM
Dokic leading Pierce 5-0 3rd set at US open and lost it :mad:

Wojtek
Jul 12th, 2005, 12:24 PM
Novotna :o. A Wimbledon final and she chokes :eek: Poor girl. But at least she eventually won it :D

Novotna had 4:1 lead in the final set against Hingis at Us open semi-final and lost 4:6

Spunky83
Jul 12th, 2005, 01:46 PM
myskina loss at athens last year, she led 5/7 7/5 5/1 against henin and lost 7/5 5/7 8/6.

Choking against Justine doesn´t count :angel: ...I try to tell that myself every day of my life :lol:

Wiggly
Jul 12th, 2005, 01:53 PM
Lubomira Kurhajcova led 6-0 5-0 ahainst Raymond at RG 2004 and lost 6-0 5-7 6-3 :rolleyes:

SpikeyAidanm
Jul 12th, 2005, 01:54 PM
:eek: Where was that? :D
Miami 2003 2r :D

Beat
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:14 PM
One big choke was the 2003 Australian Open SF when Clijsters was up something like 5-1 in the 3rd against Serena, had 2 or 3 MPs and totally lost control while she served twice for the match and haven't won another game ... she lost 7-5 !!! Incredible !
that's the one that came to my mind right away. what a choke! :tape:

DragonFlame
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:46 PM
Choking against Justine doesn´t count :angel: ...I try to tell that myself every day of my life :lol:

I so totally agree with you ;) somehow justine always finds a way :) :bounce:

Andrew..
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:52 PM
Zvonareva was up 6-0 5-1 30-0 on Smashnova in the 2r of New Haven 2003. The match lasted until after 11:00 pm, and Smashnova won 0-6 7-6 6-2. Bepa went insane during the match. At one point she took her racquet and smashed in through the back wall covering. Then she got so worked up that she started cramping everywhere.

Lachrymarum
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:20 PM
Gaby at RG in 93, Miami in 95, and Wimby in 91 also. The fact her serve was pants didn't help her either.
"Serve was pants..."
What does that mean?
:confused:

korben
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:54 PM
Kurhajcova led Raymond 6-0 5-0 at the 2004 French Open 1st round with mps for a double bagel before losing 0-6 7-5 6-3

You sure ? I thought she led 6/0 5/0 30-0 before collapsing. Never reached MP afaik.

Vamos Feńa
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:19 PM
Dokic-Pierce it was a nightmare :sad:
Well shauny_r what's so funny about Marta's lose???
Golovin led 5/1 in 3rd vs Ivanovic had mps at 5/4 lost in tiebreak (served 3 times for the match)
Rubin led Dementieva 6/4 5/2 lost 6/4 5/7 1/6
Dementieva led 7/6 4/0 vs Schnyder 7/6 6/7 2/6 final score :sad:
Loit from 5/0 FS to 8/10 or somethin like that...
Widjaja led 5/0 Dokic won 7/6 6/4
Srebotnik led Dementieva 3/6 7/5 4/1 lost 5 games in a row...

Knizzle
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:32 PM
You sure ? I thought she led 6/0 5/0 30-0 before collapsing. Never reached MP afaik.

I think she was up 40-15 in that game so 2 match points.

Grachka
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:33 PM
"Serve was pants..."
What does that mean?
:confused:
Its slang for rubbish, meaning that Sabatini's serve was crap.

Knizzle
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:34 PM
Venus lead Mauresmo 6-4 5-3 and 30-15 I think before losing 4-6, 7-5, 6-4. Pressure to claim the diamonds was too much for Venus then I guess.

Grachka
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:35 PM
As for the thread, Novotna's Wimbledon choke is the one I will always remember - so horrible to watch my favourite player's game literally melt in front of the world at her most important moment :sad:

Glad to see she exorcised the ghosts in 1998, and won the title :) Allez Jana! :D

Shonami Slam
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:39 PM
the bepa/anna matches don't count.
they weren't much of a choke as they were cramps.
those were really long matches, and anna is a very fit little woman, she can run forever.
I remember anna looking at her couch, crying - begging for him to let her retire the match, but he kept pushing her on to try her best. it was really really sad.

TF Chipmunk
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:07 PM
Choking against Justine doesn´t count :angel: ...I try to tell that myself every day of my life :lol:
Very good point :p

Spunky83
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:40 PM
I so totally agree with you ;) somehow justine always finds a way :) :bounce:

Yep and it´s always soo much fun and really, really amazing..although it´s less funny when she plays one of my other faves :lol:

Paldias
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:42 PM
Jana Novotna lead Chanda Rubin: 5-0 in the third set of their 3rd Round RG Match in 95'

She lead 40-0 in the game at 5-0 but ended up losing 8-6 in the third even though she had 9 match points :eek:

calabar
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Jana Novotna lead Chanda Rubin: 5-0 in the third set of their 3rd Round RG Match in 95'

She lead 40-0 in the game at 5-0 but ended up losing 8-6 in the third even though she had 9 match points :eek:

So when is a Choke a Choke as oppose to a Great Comeback?

Calimero377
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:33 PM
...
Novotna led Graf 6-7 6-1 4-1 40-30 in the '93 Wimbledon final, double faulted and then fell apart.
...


Wrong.
Novotna never had game point at 4-1 in 3rd.

VeeDaQueen
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:35 PM
So when is a Choke a Choke as oppose to a Great Comeback?

read the first post ;)

What has been the biggest choke of all time (or greatest comeback, if your cup is half full ;))?

So your cup is half full :D

mboyle
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:39 PM
New Haven 2003: Vera Zvonareva led Anna Smashnova 6-1; 5-0 40-something, and lost 1-6; 7-5; 6-3 or something like that.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:02 PM
Biggest choke has to be Serena VS Clijsters in the 2003 Australian open Semifinal....I dont know how she let Serena come back and BEAT HER from a 5-1 lead in the 3rd set. LOL...

Andrew..
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:05 PM
the bepa/anna matches don't count.
they weren't much of a choke as they were cramps.
those were really long matches, and anna is a very fit little woman, she can run forever.
I remember anna looking at her couch, crying - begging for him to let her retire the match, but he kept pushing her on to try her best. it was really really sad.
No, Bepa died in their match in New Haven. She went absolutely insane.

spencercarlos
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:06 PM
No, it was 61 5-1 40-15, but still a nasty loss ;) Gaby also managed to lose to Kimiko Date in the Miami semis after leading 6-1 5-1.

Novotna led Graf 6-7 6-1 4-1 40-30 in the '93 Wimbledon final, double faulted and then fell apart.

Novotna also wasted 9 mps against Rubin in the French Open when leading 6-7 6-4 5-0 40-0 before losing 7-6 4-6 8-6

Kurhajcova led Raymond 6-0 5-0 at the 2004 French Open 1st round with mps for a double bagel before losing 0-6 7-5 6-3
The Sabatini-Mary Joe RG 93 Match:
It was 6-1 5-1 and AD before she came with 2 double faults.
At 6-1 5-3 40-15/ AD and Mary Joe erase them with winners.
At 6-1 5-4 AD Sabatini and Gaby hit a return long after a deep second serve.

spencercarlos
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:44 PM
I was wrong ;) Gabriela was leading 6-1 5-1 in the quarterfinals of Roland Garros. Mary Joe saved five match points to win the match 1-6 7-6(4) 10-8. Does anyone have this match recorded :D
me. yes

spencercarlos
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Wrong.
Novotna never had game point at 4-1 in 3rd.
Shut up cali. You have troubles remmembering things about matches.
Novotna was 4-1 40-30 up indeed then came a horrible double fault. She even had break points for 5-2 on Graf´s serve, and led 30-15 with her serve at 4-3 all of this in the third set.

Kart
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:55 PM
I think Novotna did have points for 5-1. I wouldn't have called it a choke but then I was suppporting Steffi and already irritated with Jana for beating Sabatini in the QF ;).

Gaby also had match points against Kimiko in the Miami semi that she lost. She's had some pretty devastating losses :sad:.

spencercarlos
Jul 12th, 2005, 08:04 PM
I think Novotna did have points for 5-1. I wouldn't have called it a choke but then I was suppporting Steffi and already irritated with Jana for beating Sabatini in the QF ;).

Gaby also had match points against Kimiko in the Miami semi that she lost. She's had some pretty devastating losses :sad:.
The Mary Joe Roland Garros match was that Mary Joe played her best tennis from there, and it was a really great match. The Date match was pretty much choking and this match was all about unforced errors, in fact voted by tennis magazine the worst match of 95.

tennislover
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:35 PM
NOVOTNA :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

backhanddtl4
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:54 PM
Calimero tries to hide the truth and change the facts a lot.

Slumpsova
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:11 PM
i thing Jankovic vs. Myskina @ Wimbledon 2005 is the most classic. i mean, how many time you ever seen both players choked in the same match :shrug: :o

reyrey
Jul 13th, 2005, 12:16 AM
Didn't Henin choked against Venus on a clay court where she was up 6-2 4-0 before Venus rallied to beat her.

jrm
Jul 13th, 2005, 12:19 AM
Novotna - no doubt

Albireo
Jul 13th, 2005, 12:38 AM
The Mary Joe Roland Garros match was that Mary Joe played her best tennis from there, and it was a really great match. The Date match was pretty much choking and this match was all about unforced errors, in fact voted by tennis magazine the worst match of 95.

The irony of the MJF-Sabatini match was that Fernandez had given up on it, and told herself to just make the match last an hour so the fans didn't feel ripped off. 2+ hours later, she was the winner.

A tremendous match, which made up for sometimes-sloppy play in the final set with great drama. Even though Sabatini had match points in the third (IIRC), there was a sense that she was done once it went to the third.

That match all but finished Sabatini. The Date loss was merely a formality.

The big surprise was that MJF-- one of the least physically-fit players in the game-- was able to bounce back and crush ASV in the next match.

Berlin_Calling
Jul 13th, 2005, 12:44 AM
Didn't Henin choked against Venus on a clay court where she was up 6-2 4-0 before Venus rallied to beat her.

what an awful match that was for me to watch.

JenFan75
Jul 13th, 2005, 02:31 AM
the bepa/anna matches don't count.
they weren't much of a choke as they were cramps.
those were really long matches, and anna is a very fit little woman, she can run forever.
I remember anna looking at her couch, crying - begging for him to let her retire the match, but he kept pushing her on to try her best. it was really really sad.



That is really sad...

spencercarlos
Jul 13th, 2005, 04:07 AM
The irony of the MJF-Sabatini match was that Fernandez had given up on it, and told herself to just make the match last an hour so the fans didn't feel ripped off. 2+ hours later, she was the winner.

A tremendous match, which made up for sometimes-sloppy play in the final set with great drama. Even though Sabatini had match points in the third (IIRC), there was a sense that she was done once it went to the third.

That match all but finished Sabatini. The Date loss was merely a formality.

The big surprise was that MJF-- one of the least physically-fit players in the game-- was able to bounce back and crush ASV in the next match.
The third set was not sloopy at all, it was very intese and very close all the time. Btw this match was voted the best match for 1993 by tennis Magazine. What an irony. The Date loss probably was a formality towards the retirement. She was not enjoyning tennis anymore

Albireo
Jul 13th, 2005, 04:36 AM
The third set was not sloopy at all, it was very intese and very close all the time. Btw this match was voted the best match for 1993 by tennis Magazine. What an irony. The Date loss probably was a formality towards the retirement. She was not enjoyning tennis anymore

Actually, my comment about the match being sloppy wasn't to belittle it; as I recall, though, there were patches of UEs and double faults that cropped up to put one player or the other in peril. (I'll have to watch the match again; it's been several years since I've done so.) Offsetting this was a pretty high winner count, including a down-the-line beauty from MJF to seal it. You could feel Sabatini's disgust afterward; she slammed her racquet down next to her chair after the match-- one of the only outbursts I ever saw from her.

ESPN interviewed Fernandez after her post-match press conference, and she looked absolutely exhausted. I remember thinking that she had no chance against ASV, and was astonished that she won so easily.

The Date match was horrifying for its deja vu quality; once it started slipping away, you knew the outcome was inevitable. Even more ironically, both Sabatini and Date would retire within a very few years, at the same time and relatively early age.

spencercarlos
Jul 13th, 2005, 05:19 AM
Actually, my comment about the match being sloppy wasn't to belittle it; as I recall, though, there were patches of UEs and double faults that cropped up to put one player or the other in peril. (I'll have to watch the match again; it's been several years since I've done so.) Offsetting this was a pretty high winner count, including a down-the-line beauty from MJF to seal it. You could feel Sabatini's disgust afterward; she slammed her racquet down next to her chair after the match-- one of the only outbursts I ever saw from her.

ESPN interviewed Fernandez after her post-match press conference, and she looked absolutely exhausted. I remember thinking that she had no chance against ASV, and was astonished that she won so easily.

The Date match was horrifying for its deja vu quality; once it started slipping away, you knew the outcome was inevitable. Even more ironically, both Sabatini and Date would retire within a very few years, at the same time and relatively early age.
Actually Gaby smashed her racket to her racket bag, not the chair :p. But did not threw it at all :angel: just to clarify

Volcana
Jul 13th, 2005, 05:35 AM
All of the matches listed aren't chokes. Sometimes, the opponent just starts playing amazing tennis. Novotna vs Graf was the quintessential choke. Jana couldn't have hit the ball into the ocean from the beach after that double-fault. But sometimes, credit simply goes to the victor.

Larrybidd
Jul 13th, 2005, 07:14 AM
When I play tennis amongst freinds slang for choking is to "pull a Novotna". She set the modern standard for big stage choking. As a huge Graf fan I wasn't too heart-broken about Jana's misfortune -that is, until the sight of Jana crying on the shoulder of the Royal. If you could not feel for her at that point, then you have no soul. ALL TIME MOST MEMMORABLE CHOKE.

Albireo
Jul 13th, 2005, 07:22 AM
Actually Gaby smashed her racket to her racket bag, not the chair :p. But did not threw it at all :angel: just to clarify

Well, I did say "next to" the chair. :)

Definitely gonna have to watch that one again now....

icequeen
Jul 13th, 2005, 12:37 PM
Kim AO '03 against Serena..up 5-1 in the third.

Vamos Feńa
Jul 13th, 2005, 01:31 PM
Lindsay led Dementieva 6/4 4/2 in AI final Lena won 4/6 7/5 6/3 ;)

Maryamator
Jul 13th, 2005, 01:38 PM
wen novata led graff 4-1 final set i think then she lost the match

rjd1111
Jul 13th, 2005, 01:49 PM
AO-- Clisters up 5-1 in the third set over Serena. And lost.

Vamos Feńa
Jul 13th, 2005, 01:54 PM
Anna S. led Bepa 5/2 5/3 5/4 FS in every game she had 1 mp
Lost because of cramps and cuz the rallies were so long that after one Anna had to call for the trainer who gave her a lot of oxygen.
Dunno if it was a choke... :shrug:
What do you think?

RenaSlam.
Jul 13th, 2005, 03:46 PM
Wrong.
Novotna never had game point at 4-1 in 3rd.

What a choke, Jana! :worship:

DA FOREHAND
Jul 13th, 2005, 04:23 PM
Venus lead Mauresmo 6-4 5-3 and 30-15 I think before losing 4-6, 7-5, 6-4. Pressure to claim the diamonds was too much for Venus then I guess.


yEAH SHE cried on the court after that match, I think that would have sparked her turnaround ...we had to wait for the big W to see that .

Knizzle
Jul 13th, 2005, 11:21 PM
yEAH SHE cried on the court after that match, I think that would have sparked her turnaround ...we had to wait for the big W to see that .

Yeah Oracene hugged her. BTW I think she was also up 4-2 in the final set. Uncharacteristic for Venus to choke when up even during the bad times in her comeback.

Brooks.
Jul 13th, 2005, 11:37 PM
Yeah Oracene hugged her. BTW I think she was also up 4-2 in the final set. Uncharacteristic for Venus to choke when up even during the bad times in her comeback.

she was up 4-2 and had like 3 break pts. to go up 5-2 :sad: :sad: .......but all is good now that Vee has Wimbledon :D :bounce:

arcus
Jul 14th, 2005, 12:05 AM
Just rememembering that wimby Novotna choke still makes me feel ill.
That women needed an emotional heimlich maneuver.

Martina Navratilova screwed-up what would have been the only perfect season in the open era, with a choketasticly awful loss to Kathy (who?) horvath at the french open.
First set-mental destruction, second set won to love, third set-one way ticket to chokesville. Painful.
People forget that martinas strength was not her mind, it was that she was such a talented ball striker. Mentally, during a match i mean, she was nowhere near as strong as players like evert and graf. It was always said that if a lessor player could get close to martina, she might crack. She had to be leagues above the other players technically to dominate.

SM
Jul 14th, 2005, 07:28 AM
DOIC-PIERCE....jelena didnt play bad up 4-1 in the 3rd before losing 4-6, mary just hit the ball as hard as she pretty much could and never missed. some winners were just pure rockets