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Club_Fed
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:49 AM
This debate is occuring on our "brother" site presently. I think these JERKS who want to criticize our BIG Masha (as opposed to our beloved little Masha, Kirilenko) need to stand down because she was wearing the sneakers/trainers her company gave her and she never brags about being rich and she is a sweet girl. Also Maria S. does so much for charity that we have no idea about behind the scenes. However, I think it is pretty stupid of Nike to throw this out there in the midst of Roger and Maria organizing and participating in benefits for Tsunami relief and hurricane relief, respectively. There really is something distasteful about the whole "our athlete is wearing trainers with real gold in them" while 25 percent of the population in Russia is incredibly poor. I don't like it one bit but until someone proves to me that Big Masha is a cruel and uncaring materialistic winner takes all kind of girl, I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt.

TonyP
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:52 AM
Roger was given a pair as well for his victory last year. It has nothing to do with greed or being gaudy. Tell the critics to get over it.

le bon vivant
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:01 AM
In a word, YES.

LucasArg
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:12 AM
It sounds pretty much stupid to say all those words about her just because she wore gold on a tennis shoes.

Volcana
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:17 AM
Also Maria S. does so much for charity that we have no idea about behind the scenes.Exactly how is it that you know she does 'so much for charity', that YOU 'have no idea about'. I mean. if you have no idea, then of course, you DON'T know.

I might add, of somebody making $25,000 US a year tithes to charity, it lot bigger deal than if a multi-millionaire visits hospitals. The former is an actual sacrifice. Mind you, I'm all for athletes doing charity events and fund raisers and visiting hospitals. I just don't think that makes them special. Given their resources, its the least they should do.

Club_Fed
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:20 AM
It sounds pretty much stupid to say all those words about her just because she wore gold on a tennis shoes.



You don't even understand English properly, you have no idea what we are talking about. Okay? THANX! :tape:

Club_Fed
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:24 AM
Exactly how is it that you know she does 'so much for charity', that YOU 'have no idea about'. I mean. if you have no idea, then of course, you DON'T know.

I might add, of somebody making $25,000 US a year tithes to charity, it lot bigger deal than if a multi-millionaire visits hospitals. The former is an actual sacrifice. Mind you, I'm all for athletes doing charity events and fund raisers and visiting hospitals. I just don't think that makes them special. Given their resources, its the least they should do.




Well, we know know about her publicized charitable contributions---which she does not do for publicity in my opinion, only to bring attention to things that concern her. And knowing that Big Masha is a good soul, we just have to reason that this smart and talented young woman is doing alot behind the scenes for charity we don't know about. :kiss:

middy
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:31 AM
Oh God not another topic on this issue, players wear what their sponsors want them to. Do you think Andy wanted to wear the hideous outfits he wore during last years US Open, of course not. Players make money from their clothline, and because of that they are bound by contracts to wear what is given to them, whether they like them or not.

TF Chipmunk
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:31 AM
Exactly how is it that you know she does 'so much for charity', that YOU 'have no idea about'. I mean. if you have no idea, then of course, you DON'T know.

I might add, of somebody making $25,000 US a year tithes to charity, it lot bigger deal than if a multi-millionaire visits hospitals. The former is an actual sacrifice. Mind you, I'm all for athletes doing charity events and fund raisers and visiting hospitals. I just don't think that makes them special. Given their resources, its the least they should do.
Well said! :yeah:

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:33 AM
they are just a bucnh of idiots that we must ignore... remember they are a bunch of girls and also some gays that are jealous of her...

Dan23
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:42 AM
Geez did she go out and buy the shoes herself? She was given 9 pairs of them to wear at the tournament and she would have only used 2 of them...at least one pair was given away..
This proves nothing about Maria....it seems they talk more about Maria on MTF than most of the ATP players :unsure:


In a word, YES.:haha: :tape:

le bon vivant
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:42 AM
they are just a bucnh of idiots that we must ignore... remember they are a bunch of girls and also some gays that are jealous of her...

:lol::lol:

Volcana
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:42 AM
we just have to reason that this smart and talented young woman is doing alot behind the scenes for charity we don't know about. :kiss:I'm truly sorry that you reasoning powers are so easily co-opted. However, just so you know, most people in no way 'have' to reason that. In fact, most smart and talented people do very little for charity. That fact is one reason why the Federal tax code inthe USA is written the way it is. to encourage charitable giving.

You're assuming a player does a lot of charity work because you like her. Why not just like her, and leave the self-delusion out of it. She's 18 years old. Isn't it a bit unfair for you to project your fantasies onto her, regardless of the amount of money she has? If you're truly a fan of her's, give her a bit of space to exist in.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:43 AM
they are just a bucnh of idiots that we must ignore... remember they are a bunch of girls and also some gays that are jealous of her...

:haha:

I don't think it is arrogant of her. If you want to point the blame, maybe you should look at Nike for making the trainers.

ceiling_fan
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:59 AM
why are you asking a question that you already know the answer to?

Crazy Canuck
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:00 AM
lol

DrChemicalX
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:11 AM
they are just a bucnh of idiots that we must ignore... remember they are a bunch of girls and also some gays that are jealous of her...


Very true...

ceiling_fan
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:17 AM
This debate is occuring on our "brother" site presently. I think these JERKS who want to criticize our BIG Masha (as opposed to our beloved little Masha, Kirilenko) need to stand down because she was wearing the sneakers/trainers her company gave her and she never brags about being rich and she is a sweet girl. Also Maria S. does so much for charity that we have no idea about behind the scenes. However, I think it is pretty stupid of Nike to throw this out there in the midst of Roger and Maria organizing and participating in benefits for Tsunami relief and hurricane relief, respectively. There really is something distasteful about the whole "our athlete is wearing trainers with real gold in them" while 25 percent of the population in Russia is incredibly poor. I don't like it one bit but until someone proves to me that Big Masha is a cruel and uncaring materialistic winner takes all kind of girl, I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt.

well i wouldn't know if this is true or not...
but it was on tennis-x.com which is pretty credible
and though it is a quote from a newspaper, that site doesn't put anything old thing up there!
if this is true, i don't think it proves that she is cruel, but it shows she is money-driven? :shrug: meh.. interpret it how u like

Lou Tilley writing for the Main Line Times about Maria Sharapova's semifinal pull-out last week at Philadelphia: "What we knew was this: Sharapova told the driver of her complimentary Porsche at 4:30 p.m. the previous afternoon, to be at her hotel at 5 p.m., as she was catching a plane to Los Angeles. He asked her why, since she had just won her quarterfinal match, and was to play on versus (Amelie) Mauresmo, and maybe get into the finals -- and a shot at the top prize of 93 grand. She reportedly said, "Well, I have gotten my work in for the week, made a nice check and now I can go to L.A., and rest up for a while before the big season ending event."

Edward.
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:17 AM
Nike gave Maria and Roger the shoes to wear at the start of the tournament. They knew equipping the two defending champions (at the time) with gold shoes would bring the company plenty of media attention.

And it did. So, if anyone wants to get pissy about it, blame Nike, not Maria or Roger. They only wear what Nike give them.

Xanadu11
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:25 AM
Umm why should we blame nike, its not as if Maria and Roger are forced by nike to do anything against their will. Rather they get paid millions.

I just think the whole notion of gold shoes seems outlandish and unappropriate. Kind of like celebrities getting $12,000 gift packs at live8.

I really like Maria and Roger, so i'm not saying this to criticise by any means.

mandy7
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:41 AM
they are just a bucnh of idiots that we must ignore... remember they are a bunch of girls and also some gays that are jealous of her...

omfg! you did not just say that! :eek:

tennislover
Jul 12th, 2005, 08:45 AM
my answer is : NO. :angel:

Maria Croft
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:39 AM
people, they are just shoes, relax !!

jenny161185
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:06 AM
shes a young girl who probably thought they looked cool - which they did!

denine
Jul 12th, 2005, 10:50 AM
its not the shoes.......:)

SilK
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:27 AM
I thought the golden shoes were brilliant! :D :yeah:

Epigone
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:29 AM
its not the shoes.......:)It's gotta be the shoes :cool:

SJW
Jul 12th, 2005, 11:39 AM
they wore golden shoes??? :confused:

:)

*JR*
Jul 12th, 2005, 12:27 PM
If ppl want something with a little more substance to gnash their teeth about, try the annual Antwerp trophy, a racquet studded with about $1 million worth of diamonds. (BTW, I'm not blaming those who've won the event, but Octagon who owns it, and the sponsor who provides those racquets). As you may know, this mining industry cleverly evaded most controls on "blood diamonds", that have funded brutal civil wars (mostly in "remission" now) in Africa. :(

JenFan75
Jul 12th, 2005, 12:38 PM
they are just a bucnh of idiots that we must ignore... remember they are a bunch of girls and also some gays that are jealous of her...


Oh, yes, of course. Gay people must be horridly jealous of good looking women because you know, they can just grow boobs and magically sprout a vagina in an instant but they could NEVER look as good as that!

:rolleyes: :smash:

Edward.
Jul 12th, 2005, 01:56 PM
they wore golden shoes??? :confused:

:)

Lol, not literally, but an area on the shoes was decorated with specks of real 24 carat gold.

http://espn.starwave.com/media/ten/2005/0619/photo/federer_shoe_195.jpg

igost
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:11 PM
She probably plans to join NBA. It's "normal" there.

Wiggly
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:21 PM
She just loves money and play tennis for money ;)
She goes in Asia last fall only for money because she was maybe like top 7 players and the 2nd seed was like #50th :rolleyes:

Experimentee
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:21 PM
I suppose the same people who said Venus and Serena were arrogant and materialistic for doing the things they did would also say Masha and Roger were ;)
Personally I think they should be allowed to do what they want, they have earned it.

Doc
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:48 PM
I suppose if the shoes had been green that would have been okay? :rolleyes:

"Gold" is just another colour for clothing these days. As for the 18 karat gold flecks, they will be like the "18 karat gold" plating on mail-order ceramics...

When Masha comes on court in solid gold shoes, crushing peasants underfoot with her diamond studs - then you can complain..

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:48 PM
Exactly how is it that you know she does 'so much for charity', that YOU 'have no idea about'. I mean. if you have no idea, then of course, you DON'T know.

I might add, of somebody making $25,000 US a year tithes to charity, it lot bigger deal than if a multi-millionaire visits hospitals. The former is an actual sacrifice. Mind you, I'm all for athletes doing charity events and fund raisers and visiting hospitals. I just don't think that makes them special. Given their resources, its the least they should do.
Exactly. When you have hundreds of millions why should the world treat you as some special person when you donate ten thousand to charity? HELLO! Thats a very meager amount of money given the circumstances.

Now when someone who is living below the poverty line donates to charity, thats commendable.

goldenlox
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:54 PM
well i wouldn't know if this is true or not...
but it was on tennis-x.com which is pretty credible
and though it is a quote from a newspaper, that site doesn't put anything old thing up there!
if this is true, i don't think it proves that she is cruel, but it shows she is money-driven? :shrug: meh.. interpret it how u like

Lou Tilley writing for the Main Line Times about Maria Sharapova's semifinal pull-out last week at Philadelphia: "What we knew was this: Sharapova told the driver of her complimentary Porsche at 4:30 p.m. the previous afternoon, to be at her hotel at 5 p.m., as she was catching a plane to Los Angeles. He asked her why, since she had just won her quarterfinal match, and was to play on versus (Amelie) Mauresmo, and maybe get into the finals -- and a shot at the top prize of 93 grand. She reportedly said, "Well, I have gotten my work in for the week, made a nice check and now I can go to L.A., and rest up for a while before the big season ending event.":lol:
Winning a Tier II QF means $25,000 before taxes.
For Maria, that's not a "nice check" :lol:
The $1million at the YEC, that's a nice check.

Doc
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:57 PM
Exactly. When you have hundreds of millions why should the world treat you as some special person when you donate ten thousand to charity? HELLO! Thats a very meager amount of money given the circumstances.

Now when someone who is living below the poverty line donates to charity, thats commendable.

A.) Masha doesn't have "hundreds of millions". I'd be surprised if she had as much as ten million in hard cash. Most of her endorsements are over several years and will be paid in instalments, subtract tax, agency deductions, staff and travel costs, as well as the cost of her $4 Million house. That doesn't leave her among the super-rich yet.

B) As far as we know, she has donated 10,000 to the Tsunami appeal in Thailand, 30,000 equivalent to the Beslan orphans, and worked for the hurricane victims in the US. What she has done behind the scenes, we don't know, but shee has talked about establishing a charitable fund, and has shown care for individuals. So I think she's pretty charitably minded. Don't criticise her because you ASSUME she's materialistic.

furrykitten
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:02 PM
The trainers were great I thought, I hope she wears them again for the next tournament, anyone know what UK size shoe she is?.

goldenlox
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:06 PM
A.) Masha doesn't have "hundreds of millions". I'd be surprised if she had as much as ten million in hard cash. Most of her endorsements are over several years and will be paid in instalments, subtract tax, agency deductions, staff and travel costs, as well as the cost of her $4 Million house. That doesn't leave her among the super-rich yet.

B) As far as we know, she has donated 10,000 to the Tsunami appeal in Thailand, 30,000 equivalent to the Beslan orphans, and worked for the hurricane victims in the US. What she has done behind the scenes, we don't know, but shee has talked about establishing a charitable fund, and has shown care for individuals. So I think she's pretty charitably minded. Don't criticise her because you ASSUME she's materialistic.In reality, Maria had to donate the Porsche to charity.
And she was paid to go to Thailand. So the $10,000 was a public relations move. She didn't wake up, see the disaster on tv, and write a check.
She was hired to do publicity to help Thai tourism.

Doc
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:09 PM
In reality, Maria had to donate the Porsche to charity.
And she was paid to go to Thailand. So the $10,000 was a public relations move. She didn't wake up, see the disaster on tv, and write a check.
She was hired to do publicity to help Thai tourism.

Hmmmm.

Well I'd like to see a lot more such "public relations moves " from the other players.

morningglory
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:18 PM
ummm...... I thought those shoes were donated to the museum in London??? :)
And no, when the tsunami disaster struck Thailand, our very own Paradorn gave how much I recall? 100,000 Baht maybe, to charity... that's only around 2500 USD.
We loved Maria in Chiangmai. I have a cousin there, in college. Maria was like... very pleasant, always laughing, a really sharp contrast as to how you see her on the court. She rode elephants, and also did charity work for the poor people in Chiangmai as well. In Thai newspapers she is mentioned as 'Nang Fa Maria' which means angel Maria :hearts:

Club_Fed
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:20 PM
She probably plans to join NBA. It's "normal" there.


If Maria keeps growing taller and taller she might be a real prospect. She has to be at least 6-2 or 6-3. :bounce:

furrykitten
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:22 PM
shes between 6ft and 6ft 1 I believe, about 183 cm.

Club_Fed
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:23 PM
shes between 6ft and 6ft 1 I believe, about 183 cm.


I know her official height is 6 foot but she looks like she has grown at least two inches. maybe I am seeing things.

SJW
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:19 PM
Lol, not literally, but an area on the shoes was decorated with specks of real 24 carat gold.

http://espn.starwave.com/media/ten/2005/0619/photo/federer_shoe_195.jpg
i know. i was just showing it wasnt a big deal to me. let her wear what she wants. i dont even let people tell me what i should wear and she makes more money than i do.

SelesFan70
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:38 PM
:eek: OMG! Maria should be banished to a peasant village in Indonesia for wearing shoes with a stripe of gold while there are starving people in the world! :rolleyes:

LeRoy.
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:47 PM
Duh ! Why don't people just hate on players without inventing asinine excuses trying to explain the hate?

franny
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:49 PM
Well she did donate the shoe along with the rest of her outfit to charity at the end of the tournament, although I don't know if the Museum really counts as charity. Still, I don't think that she is being materialistic because that's like saying anyone who wears jewelry is materialistic. Shit then every player out there, and there are lots of them, who wears jewelry on court is materialistic because first of all the jewelry is not a necessity and second of all they are just "rubbing it in poor people's faces that they have jewelry," right? Plus, it's not like she handpicked the shoes out herself in a store. The sponsors gave it to her to wear because they wanted to give her something special as the defending champ. Same with Roger.

.ivy.
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:50 PM
Exactly. When you have hundreds of millions why should the world treat you as some special person when you donate ten thousand to charity? HELLO! Thats a very meager amount of money given the circumstances.

Now when someone who is living below the poverty line donates to charity, thats commendable.

Well said, to both you and Volcana.

alibaby
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:15 PM
:eek: OMG! Maria should be banished to a peasant village in Indonesia for wearing shoes with a stripe of gold while there are starving people in the world! :rolleyes:
hey,hey,hey...cool down...this is a very sensible point,and we should be careful with words!
1)you cant blame her for wearing a golden shoe,and with the same breath punishing her for the starving people in the world!!this is very unfair and insulting,because maria would not save ONE of these people,if she did not wear golden shoes!

2)to the thread title:has anyone of you tried,to see it from an entirely different angle,why she is,like she is?i will tell you my opinion:i personally think,that yuri has a lot to do with it!!he drilled her since she was a small siberian girl,with only one thought on his mind:SHE WILL MAKE ME FAMOUS!!!and what will you expect a little girl to do?she wants her daddy to be proud of her,of course.so,from small till today,she had only one target too:to be the best!!she did not grow up like any normal girl!childhood??i dont think so,sorry.all in her life was always on tennis.what i want to say with this is:she had not even a chance to be a normal girl!and thats why she appears to be so arrogant.she isnt...she is far more unsure,than a lot of you think!she just dont know,hot to behave normal!!how will she know??
so,these are just my thoughts...

*JR*
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:51 PM
:eek: OMG! Maria should be banished to a peasant village in Indonesia for wearing shoes with a stripe of gold while there are starving people in the world! :rolleyes:
No, but it would be nice if companies like Nike would pay ppl in countries like Indonesia more to make their shoes, instead of making these countries engage in a "race to the bottom" with eachother re. wages.

kosmikgroove
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:21 PM
Maria's money, Maria's life.

And in reality the shoes cost about .9938472009238% of what Maria makes so why the hell are people complaining about that? And even more to reality, the shoes didn't cost Maria ANYTHING. Nike hands out FREE clothes to their athletes, that's what being a clothing sponser is all about. In return, atheletes wear their clothing sponsers' clothing.

I don't understand what the whole hooplah is all about. Kim Clijsters is the queen of making sponser related statements on TV. At the 03 US Open she was interviewed after he semifinal win to Davenport about who she'd prefer to play in the finals - Justine Henin-Hardenne or Jennifer Capriati. More or less she mentioned that if it was Capriati she would be excited because it would be an all FILA final. Does this make her aarogant, materialistic, and out of touch because she wears a sponser's clothing? I sure as hell don't think so, it's just good publicity, it's marketing, it's all part of the sport.

alibaby
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:56 PM
No, but it would be nice if companies like Nike would pay ppl in countries like Indonesia more to make their shoes, instead of making these countries engage in a "race to the bottom" with eachother re. wages.
that is true,yes..

SelesFan70
Jul 15th, 2005, 01:07 PM
No, but it would be nice if companies like Nike would pay ppl in countries like Indonesia more to make their shoes, instead of making these countries engage in a "race to the bottom" with eachother re. wages.

That's not Maria's fault, or frankly her problem.

SJW
Jul 15th, 2005, 01:14 PM
That's not Maria's fault, or frankly her problem.

agreed. "shes only 18". what Nike do is their business.

jacobruiz
Jul 15th, 2005, 01:50 PM
And no, when the tsunami disaster struck Thailand, our very own Paradorn gave how much I recall? 100,000 Baht maybe, to charity... that's only around 2500 USD.
We loved Maria in Chiangmai. I have a cousin there, in college. Maria was like... very pleasant, always laughing, a really sharp contrast as to how you see her on the court. She rode elephants, and also did charity work for the poor people in Chiangmai as well. In Thai newspapers she is mentioned as 'Nang Fa Maria' which means angel Maria :hearts:


Awwww...:angel: :angel: :hearts: :hearts:

Some posters here have it right; it is the huge multi-national corporations like Nike who deserve blame for exploiting the poor workers they use in third world countries. Not to mention the governments like the Bush administration who allow and encourage these companies to literally get away with murder. And much as I would like to see athletes stand up to these offenders, I know this is likely to never happen; who among us has never paid money to a company which exploits the poor?

Cris Senior
Jul 16th, 2005, 01:06 AM
Awwww...:angel: :angel: :hearts: :hearts:

Some posters here have it right; it is the huge multi-national corporations like Nike who deserve blame for exploiting the poor workers they use in third world countries. Not to mention the governments like the Bush administration who allow and encourage these companies to literally get away with murder. And much as I would like to see athletes stand up to these offenders, I know this is likely to never happen; who among us has never paid money to a company which exploits the poor?
Comment:Well said and remember the call:
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