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Wolfram Hart
Jul 11th, 2005, 06:40 PM
I was watching the biography channel yesterday, and it was about Steffi Graf. Now I myself had never seen this episode before, so I was surprised to hear them claim Monica is from Croatia, when we all know she’s American.
It was also claimed that she had Steffi’s number, and Pam Shriver said we should all add an asterix beside Steffi’s name, due to her six slams after Monica’s stabbing being tainted.
It was also suggested that Steffi was one of the players who did not wish for Monica’s ranking to be frozen, as she had little sympathy for Monica, which I found odd as they were best friends.

K-Dog
Jul 11th, 2005, 06:48 PM
I was watching the biography channel yesterday, and it was about Steffi Graf. Now I myself had never seen this episode before, so I was surprised to hear them claim Monica is from Croatia, when we all know she’s American.
It was also claimed that she had Steffi’s number, and Pam Shriver said we should all add an asterix beside Steffi’s name, due to her six slams after Monica’s stabbing being tainted.
It was also suggested that Steffi was one of the players who did not wish for Monica’s ranking to be frozen, as she had little sympathy for Monica, which I found odd as they were best friends.


Um, Monica is from Yugoslavia. That's where she was born and she represented them until 1995. Then she got US citizenship and represents the US. Monica and Steffi were never that close as both tended to isolate themselves from others. Both were very shy and "anti-social" at times. Steffi went to see Monica after her stabbing, but they were never friends. They just respected each other a great deal.

Calimero377
Jul 11th, 2005, 06:48 PM
I was watching the biography channel yesterday, and it was about Steffi Graf. Now I myself had never seen this episode before, so I was surprised to hear them claim Monica is from Croatia, when we all know she’s American.
It was also claimed that she had Steffi’s number, and Pam Shriver said we should all add an asterix beside Steffi’s name, due to her six slams after Monica’s stabbing being tainted.
It was also suggested that Steffi was one of the players who did not wish for Monica’s ranking to be frozen, as she had little sympathy for Monica, which I found odd as they were best friends.


1) Monica is from Serbia (Vojvodina).
2) She didn't have Graf's number (lost 3 of 5 matches as #1 before stabbing).
3) Shriver hates Graf because Steffi destroyed her at Wim 87 & 88, made her cry at USO 85 (Graf was just 16! :lol: ) and is know to detest Shriver types.
4) Steffi never did or said anything against Monica's ranking be frozen.
5) Steffi and Monica never were best friends (Monica and her especially her dad dissed her too much).

Wolfram Hart
Jul 11th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Um, Monica is from Yugoslavia. That's where she was born and she represented them until 1995. Then she got US citizenship and represents the US. Monica and Steffi were never that close as both tended to isolate themselves from others. Both were very shy and "anti-social" at times. Steffi went to see Monica after her stabbing, but they were never friends. They just respected each other a great deal.

I think it’s possible you confuse Monica with Jelena Dokic. Monica was born in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Wolfram Hart
Jul 11th, 2005, 06:55 PM
1) Monica is from Serbia (Vojvodina).
2) She didn't have Graf's number (lost 3 of 5 matches as #1 before stabbing).
3) Shriver hates Graf because Steffi destroyed her at Wim 87 & 88, made her cry at USO 85 (Graf was just 16! :lol: ) and is know to detest Shriver types.
4) Steffi never did or said anything against Monica's ranking be frozen.
5) Steffi and Monica never were best friends (Monica and her especially her dad dissed her too much).

All the information on The Biography Channel is based on actual events that may have happened, and factual occurrences.

ali
Jul 11th, 2005, 06:58 PM
Me thinks that Wolfram is deliberately being a bit silly here! ;)

Calimero377
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:01 PM
Me thinks that Wolfram is deliberately being a bit silly here! ;)



No, you really think so???? :eek:

ali
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:03 PM
No, you really think so???? :eek:
:)

Timariot
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:06 PM
3) Shriver hates Graf because Steffi destroyed her at Wim 87 & 88, made her cry at USO 85 (Graf was just 16! :lol: ) and is know to detest Shriver types.


Who are 'Shriver types'?

SelesFan70
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:08 PM
Gabriela Sabatini is the ONLY player on the WTA Board that voted to freeze Monica's ranking. I always felt that Monica would have come back sooner had the Tour not metaphorically stabbed her in the back. :sad:

Calimero377
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:10 PM
Gabriela Sabatini is the ONLY player on the WTA Board that voted to freeze Monica's ranking. I always felt that Monica would have come back sooner had the Tour not metaphorically stabbed her in the back. :sad:


Sabby was not on the "WTA board" at that time ....

K-Dog
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:11 PM
Me thinks that Wolfram is deliberately being a bit silly here! ;)

Me too or either he is really ignorant to tennis history.

Wolfram Hart
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:11 PM
Gabriela Sabatini is the ONLY player on the WTA Board that voted to freeze Monica's ranking. I always felt that Monica would have come back sooner had the Tour not metaphorically stabbed her in the back. :sad:

Yes, this was mentioned during the programme. That Monica’s doubles partner Gabriela Sabatini had called for a vote within the WTA on suspending, freezing Monica’s ranking. Only to be overruled by Peter Graf.

K-Dog
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:13 PM
I think it’s possible you confuse Monica with Jelena Dokic. Monica was born in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Hey, go look on the WTA tour site. Look at Monica's player profile.

Pengwin
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:14 PM
Gabriela Sabatini is the ONLY player on the WTA Board that voted to freeze Monica's ranking. I always felt that Monica would have come back sooner had the Tour not metaphorically stabbed her in the back. :sad:

Wow Sabatini is awesome :worship:

DA FOREHAND
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:16 PM
Gabriela Sabatini is the ONLY player on the WTA Board that voted to freeze Monica's ranking. I always felt that Monica would have come back sooner had the Tour not metaphorically stabbed her in the back. :sad:


A Selestial that actually admits Monica could've and should've comeback sooner....what a novel concept.

kabuki
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:18 PM
I think it’s possible you confuse Monica with Jelena Dokic. Monica was born in Scottsdale, Arizona.

:haha: Stop.

Wolfram Hart
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Hey, go look on the WTA tour site. Look at Monica's player profile.

I never go there.That's where casual fans look-up information. That's why there's so much mis-information on this board.

Sam's Slave
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:24 PM
I never go there.That's where casual fans look-up information. That's why there's so much mis-information on this board.

lol....how stupid are you? maybe if you would check wtatour.com you wouldn't be such an idiot.....
just for you:look! (http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/PlayerBio.asp?ID=&EntityID=1&CustomerID=0&OrderID=0&ReturnURL=/&PlayerID=190141)

backhanddtl4
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:26 PM
Gabriela Sabatini is the ONLY player on the WTA Board that voted to freeze Monica's ranking. I always felt that Monica would have come back sooner had the Tour not metaphorically stabbed her in the back. :sad:


Yeah, this is true...

Wolfram Hart
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:26 PM
lol....how stupid are you? maybe if you would check wtatour.com you wouldn't be such an idiot.....
just for you:look! (http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/PlayerBio.asp?ID=&EntityID=1&CustomerID=0&OrderID=0&ReturnURL=/&PlayerID=190141)

I'm not interested in Svetlana sites, thank you.

backhanddtl4
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:28 PM
Calimero is trying to hide from the facts.....Sabatini was the only one who voted to protect Monica's ranking.

SelesFan70
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:28 PM
A Selestial that actually admits Monica could've and should've comeback sooner....what a novel concept.

The physical wound healed quickly, the mental scars were probably made worse by the fact she felt betrayed. I'm only assuming, I've never spoken personally with Monica! I probably would be too nervous to talk at all. She's so frickin' awesome! :bowdown:

Lachrymarum
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:35 PM
I'm not interested in Svetlana sites, thank you.
It wasn't a Kuznetsova site, dumbass.
:rolleyes:

Sam's Slave
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:45 PM
I'm not interested in Svetlana sites, thank you.


do you have a brain?

~{X}~
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:46 PM
You know with all the hating on Calimero, I wonder if he's hott. :D lol.

selking
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:55 PM
A Selestial that actually admits Monica could've and should've comeback sooner....what a novel concept.

Monica came back when she was ready so it was the right time. Its not the easiest thing to get over being stabbed

Sam's Slave
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:56 PM
You know with all the hating on Calimero, I wonder if he's hott. :D lol.

here is a pic of calimero:
http://www.tportal.hr/2005/04/11/0076007.19.jpg

~{X}~
Jul 11th, 2005, 07:57 PM
here is a pic of calimero:
http://www.tportal.hr/2005/04/11/0076007.19.jpg

LE GASP! :eek:

:bolt:

TF Chipmunk
Jul 11th, 2005, 08:00 PM
:confused:

Wolfram Hart
Jul 11th, 2005, 08:02 PM
do you have a brain?

What are you saying. If I had a brain transplant it would reject me?

ezekiel
Jul 11th, 2005, 08:02 PM
I want to see this but I don't have biography channel , oh well :sad:

And how come every tennis player born in serbia gets called for croatia.Seles, ivanovic and jankovic too. Something "iffy" there

ezekiel
Jul 11th, 2005, 08:21 PM
ok , I found this pic
http://www.pixfolder.com/images/113.jpg

bovina_forever
Jul 11th, 2005, 08:30 PM
Wolfram Hart is just being a idiot on purpose just to make ppl mad.

Andy T
Jul 11th, 2005, 08:32 PM
As long as Steffi was #1 (Monica excepted) it didn't matter if Monica was ranked 1 or 2 - they'd be in opposite halves of the draw as top two seeds whichever way around it was. I don't know about Peter Graf (who was a money-grabbing, lying, cheating scumbag before during and after Monica's stabbing and, imo, bears a hell of a lot of the responsibility for Steffi's injuries for making her play too much too young, doubtless to line his own slimy pockets) The Spanish duo were the ones who really objected. Gaby was a total doll.


Imo, they should have frozen Monica's ranking at #1 right from the moment the stabbing took place for an agreed period of time.

Wolfram Hart
Jul 11th, 2005, 08:53 PM
Wolfram Hart is just being a idiot on purpose just to make ppl mad.

I'm just being myself, so?And how could it be possible to make anyone on here mad, considering they're such a knowledgeable,thoughtful,understanding and caring lot.

Joana
Jul 11th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Monica may have had Steffi's number, but Steffi didn't have Monica's, that's why she couldn't call her after she had been stabbed.

Wolfram Hart
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:01 PM
Monica may have had Steffi's number, but Steffi didn't have Monica's, that's why she couldn't call her after she had been stabbed.

Did Steffi not visit Monica when she was recovering from her ordeal,like did she bring her any grapes when she went to visit her in hospital.

cellophane
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Why did Monica have Steffi's number? :eek:

faboozadoo15
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:10 PM
A Selestial that actually admits Monica could've and should've comeback sooner....what a novel concept.
well it was prefaced with "had she not felt betrayed by the our"... so :rolleyes:

SJW
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:13 PM
I think it’s possible you confuse Monica with Jelena Dokic. Monica was born in Scottsdale, Arizona.
ROTFLMFAO :haha:

missed ya ;)

SJW
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:14 PM
ok , I found this pic
http://www.pixfolder.com/images/113.jpg

brilliant :hearts:

~{X}~
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:16 PM
Someone good repped me and called me a slut. :o lmao Matt!!!! :D

Wolfram Hart
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:17 PM
brilliant :hearts:

Yes, that is a wonderful picture.

~{X}~
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:18 PM
OMG now another one did the same! :o lmao

©@®eLess
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:19 PM
I want to see this but I don't have biography channel , oh well :sad:

And how come every tennis player born in serbia gets called for croatia.Seles, ivanovic and jankovic too. Something "iffy" there


if only it were tennis players, but great people as scientist Nikola Tesla and nobel prize writer Ivo Andric amongst those too. Very sad...

Sam's Slave
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:22 PM
OMG now another one did the same! :o lmao


:kiss:

Wolfram Hart
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:22 PM
if only it were tennis players, but great people as scientist Nikola Tesla and nobel prize writer Ivo Andric amongst those too. Very sad...

Whatever next? They will be saying Ana Ivanovic is Swiss.

Calimero377
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:31 PM
Yeah, this is true...


No, it's not true.

1) Sabby was not on the "WTA board".
2) The WTA players' at the Rome 95 tournament held a vote about whether Seles should get the co-#1 ranking at her return (which she did). Sabby was the only player who voted in Seles' favour. Graf was not playing Rome ...
3) Graf was asked several times on TV whether she thought the co-ranking to be a good idea. She always agreed.
4) Selesians love to lie about this vote to denigrate Graf.

Calimero377
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:34 PM
Calimero is trying to hide from the facts.....Sabatini was the only one who voted to protect Monica's ranking.


Yes, because Graf was not in Rome in May 95 (where the vote was held), hater ...

Calimero377
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:40 PM
... I don't know about Peter Graf (who ... , imo, bears a hell of a lot of the responsibility for Steffi's injuries for making her play too much too young, doubtless to line his own slimy pockets) ...


:lol:
You are the first to suggest THAT, Dumbo!

Actually I'm no great Peter Graf fan, but to say that only reveals your complete ignorance about Steffi's career. Stay with your beloved Navi ....

roxi
Jul 11th, 2005, 09:46 PM
if only it were tennis players, but great people as scientist Nikola Tesla and nobel prize writer Ivo Andric amongst those too. Very sad...
Tesla was a Serb but that's all what he had with Serbia because he grew up in CRO and his famly lived long time , Ivo Andric was a croat who decide to be Serb!!!!!!! On the other hand ; Moica, is neither Croat or Serb she Hungarian from Vojvodina !!!!!!!!!!

backhanddtl4
Jul 11th, 2005, 10:57 PM
Yes, because Graf was not in Rome in May 95 (where the vote was held), hater ...


I didn't say anything about Graf being on it.