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aheee!!
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:20 PM
The Swiss missed

Hingis tries to find her game in backwaters

By WAYNE COFFEY
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

It's just past 11 p.m. in the suburbs and a warm wind is blowing off the Long Island Sound, the air as soggy as oatmeal.
At Harbor Island Park in Mamaroneck, the 300 people who turned out for the season opener of the New York Sportimes, the local franchise of World Team Tennis, have long since departed. The player most of them came to see is alone in a tent, propped up on a table, getting her legs rubbed down by a trainer. Her name is on the back of her shirt, per WTT custom. She is the one player on the Sportimes who needs no identification.

Why would you, when you've won five Grand Slam singles titles, nine more in doubles? When you spent more than four years as the No. 1 player in the world?

"It seems like it's been awhile," Martina Hingis says with a faint smile.

Twenty miles and three years removed from her last professional match in New York - a round-of-16 loss to Monica Seles at the U.S. Open - Hingis returned to one of her favorite cities in the world last week, finding herself in a strange sort of limbo. At 24, she is way too young for a mid-life crisis, and way too old to be considered a prodigy.

Hingis' two surgically repaired ankles are healthy. Her 5-7, 130-pound body looks fit, if not tour-ready. She forged an astonishing career out of two gifted hands and a tennis mind that had no equal, anticipating shots, knowing where she needed to be, talents that enabled her to flourish even against the vastly more powerful Williams sisters and Lindsay Davenport.

Now her mind is trying to decipher something else entirely: whether she is going to make a comeback to the women's tour, or just take her $18 million career earnings and move on.

It is no easy decision. Before the Sportimes played the Hartford FoxForce last week, she sat in a hot tent with a grass floor and took questions from three reporters. "It's not like (this is) a comeback," she said. "I'm just playing some matches."

Later, after she'd lost in singles (to Meghann Shaughnessy) and in mixed doubles (with Mark Merklein) but won in women's doubles (with Jenny Hopkins), she was not so definite.

"I am just enjoying playing tennis. We will see what will pop out after that."

It was eight years ago that Hingis took hold of the tennis world, a sweet-faced Swiss girl who, at 16 years, 6 months, became the youngest No. 1 ranked player in history. But for a loss to Iva Majoli in the French Open, she would've swept all four Grand Slams in 1997. She won 67 of 69 matches at one point that year, and there was nothing to suggest that she wouldn't continue to dominate for years to come, before Venus and Serena Williams emerged and Davenport became re-energized, and Hingis began to experience persistent ankle trouble and periodic big-match meltdowns, most notably in the 1999 French final to Steffi Graf and the 2002 Australian Open final to Jennifer Capriati.

Hingis wound up having surgery on her left ankle in May, 2002, and was probably too ambitious coming back for the U.S. Open. After a straight set loss to Elena Dementieva, she dropped out of the top 10 for the first time in six years - and then dropped off the tour.

For the first two years away, Hingis reveled in the respite from the globetrotting grind that is pro tennis. She skied, rode horses and spent time with boyfriends. She started doing some tennis commentary work, and with a steady influx of fan letters, began to wonder if she should give tennis another shot. That Justine Henin-Hardenne and Kim Clijsters returned after extended time offered encouragement.

Five months ago, Hingis entered a small tournament in Thailand, where she lost to 73rd-ranked Marlene Weingartner of Germany, 1-6, 6-2, 6-2. She said to read nothing into her re-appearance, and is still saying that, about her first foray into WTT.

Hingis played her first three singles sets for the Sportimes last week, and admitted to being nervous before them. She defeated Carly Gullikson of the Philadelphia Freedoms in her debut, then lost to Shaughnessy, before shutting out her namesake, Martina Navratilova, 5-0 (WTT contests are single-set affairs, with the first player to win five games prevailing), in Cambridge, Mass., Thursday night.

"Maybe (Hingis is) toying with the idea of playing again," says Billie Jean King, founder of the WTT. "I don't know. (But) she's been an unbelievable ambassador for the league and for tennis, and she's playing unbelievably well."

At her best, Hingis relished few things more than beating stronger, quicker, opponents with her soft hands and savvy shotmaking. "The game isn't just power. I still believe someone like me or Justine (the 5-6 Henin-Hardenne) can succeed," she says.

A half-hour before the match with the FoxForce, Hingis is the attraction of a meet-and-greet in a hospitality tent. She poses for pictures and signs autographs, which she does again for a half-hour after the Sportimes win the match. As Harbor Island Park empties, Hingis heads back to the Sportimes clubhouse. She doesn't know what the future will bring, only that it feels sweet to be back on a tennis court.

"I love the game," Hingis says. "It's a beautiful game."

martinafan
Jul 11th, 2005, 05:52 AM
thanks for the article

it's so cool reading all these martina articles again!

i really wish she was able to make a successful comeback!

Volcana
Jul 11th, 2005, 05:56 AM
I think this just gives her a chance to play a game she loves against sme of the world's best players, without needed the five and six hour a day workouts of the WTA tour.

I'm glad she's getting to play.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 11th, 2005, 06:05 AM
It would do the tour good if she came back.

russophile
Jul 11th, 2005, 06:17 AM
if she really wants to be back she should not be too proud if she loses every now and again just because she was great before. but i'm really hoping she does well and perhaps influence anna k to come back as well.

deja_entendu
Jul 11th, 2005, 06:18 AM
And look how far women's doubles has fallen :rolleyes: I think she could come back in doubles and capture Grand Slam titles with a good partner!

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 11th, 2005, 06:27 AM
And look how far women's doubles has fallen :rolleyes: I think she could come back in doubles and capture Grand Slam titles with a good partner!

Hingis really never needed good partners to win slams. She was to play with mostly anyone and win slams. I do think now she would probably need a doubles partner in the top 100. Although she could still probably still win slams with Anna Kournikova if she wanted to. :)

Cris Senior
Jul 11th, 2005, 10:34 AM
COMMENT:
Welcome to the real world, my friend, where you should take with a grain of salt what journalists have to say in whatever field. Journalists, especially in sports can't get a continous flowing stream of news, so they have to contrive stuff, resucitate players, manufacture unproven new ones, etc. Otherwise, they don't get a paycheck.
In the case of Martina, observe that this guy is just making subjective opinions: "her body LOOKS fit , tour ready". Well that his judgement. It is not what the medical reports say. Again her TWO ankle operations, one for arthrosis in 01 and two torn ligaments in 02 were succesful in allowing her a normal human walking ability. But not necessarilly for a normal tennis pro life, such as 5 hrs a day of practice and weekly tournaments. Dr Buehlmann,her surgeon, was actually blatant about it : "if she practices for more than two hours you' ll see her cringing her face because although her ligaments are repaired the stress of practice will produce inflammation and severe pain will ensue." Again you call him at the clinic and verify this for yourself.
Also, do you really think that someone like Hingis, a natural genius for tennis and who knows nothing of anything else, wouldn't be playing pro at her age if she wasn't physically impeded? Of course, she would. Besides she wouldn't have to bother wih ITF's. Any major tournament would gladly give her WC's.
CS

Sam L
Jul 11th, 2005, 10:48 AM
I have a feeling that she'll be back one day, much like I had a feeling about Venus would still win slams.

I'm going with my gut instincts. She'll be back.

Grachka
Jul 11th, 2005, 11:30 AM
COMMENT:
Welcome to the real world, my friend, where you should take with a grain of salt what journalists have to say in whatever field. Journalists, especially in sports can't get a continous flowing stream of news, so they have to contrive stuff, resucitate players, manufacture unproven new ones, etc. Otherwise, they don't get a paycheck.
In the case of Martina, observe that this guy is just making subjective opinions: "her body LOOKS fit , tour ready". Well that his judgement. It is not what the medical reports say. Again her TWO ankle operations, one for arthrosis in 01 and two torn ligaments in 02 were succesful in allowing her a normal human walking ability. But not necessarilly for a normal tennis pro life, such as 5 hrs a day of practice and weekly tournaments. Dr Buehlmann,her surgeon, was actually blatant about it : "if she practices for more than two hours you' ll see her cringing her face because although her ligaments are repaired the stress of practice will produce inflammation and severe pain will ensue." Again you call him at the clinic and verify this for yourself.
Also, do you really think that someone like Hingis, a natural genius for tennis and who knows nothing of anything else, wouldn't be playing pro at her age if she wasn't physically impeded? Of course, she would. Besides she wouldn't have to bother wih ITF's. Any major tournament would gladly give her WC's.
CS
If indeed you are correct, and she is medically unable to train, practise and make a career on the tour - it seems unlikely she would say:

"I am just enjoying playing tennis. We will see what will pop out after that."

It hardly kills the rumour mill does it? One doctor can be wrong, in fact two, three doctors could be wrong, and given similar comments to the above she made in the last year, it seems more a question over whether she is willing to make the sacrifices to get back to the top of the game.

Xanadu11
Jul 11th, 2005, 11:35 AM
It's pretty clear that she is toying with the idea of coming back or at least wishes she could. I think if she is fit and healthy most importantly, she should just bite the bullet and do it because otherwise she will probably always think, what if?

Sam L
Jul 11th, 2005, 11:42 AM
It's pretty clear that she is toying with the idea of coming back or at least wishes she could. I think if she is fit and healthy most importantly, she should just bite the bullet and do it because otherwise she will probably always think, what if?
Yeah that's what i think too. Unless if the injuries are that bad.

HTE
Jul 11th, 2005, 11:46 AM
Lovely article, thx :)

I still don't believe that Martina can ever make a full time comeback to the tour, her ankles probably can't endure that much pressure. However I think that if she wants to she could play a few smaller tournaments once in a while or even play grand slam doubles.

maccardel
Jul 11th, 2005, 01:02 PM
Hingis,myskina and henin hardenne in a press conference....wow? Lets see a Hingis-Sharapova match on centre court.

All that would be great, but she has not signed on yet.
oh well.

TF Chipmunk
Jul 11th, 2005, 04:19 PM
If Martina makes a comeback, I think a few short stints on the tour to ensure a decent ranking would suffice her. She could start her year in Europe, playing Paris and Antwerp, take a break until Berlin and Rome, then her beloved French Open and Wimbledon. Hop over to the US late into the season, play in Canada and then the US Open. Then she could rest until Filderstadt and Zurich later in the year. That's 10 tournaments a year.

Sadly, I think she'd prefer to play more than that, so an abbreviated tour for her would not satisfy her. Playing a decent doubles schedule like Martina Navratilova is a possibility, but I don't think Martina values doubles as much as she does singles, even though she's better at doubles.
If she played only 10 tournaments a year...I don't think it would take her very high on the rankings...maybe Top 100 if she's lucky, because the tournaments that you listed, she would probably face a big-named player early on (like Amelie in Paris or Justine in Berlin), and probably lose.

RAA
Jul 11th, 2005, 04:39 PM
I guess i'm the only one who thinks she is never returning..



she was fun to have on the tour though.. that is for sure..

TonyP
Jul 11th, 2005, 04:46 PM
I don't think even Martina knows at this point what she will do, or even what is possible for her to do.

While her ankles mended nicely,it is the chronically swollen tendons on the heels that caused her to step away from tennis. That is what was causing her constant pain and she seems to be waiting to see how her feet hold up following regular play and practive.

And there will be lots of questions to answer and I don't think Martina is ready for them, yet.

But one interesting sidenote, she seems to be working well with the coach of her WTT team, the most I think she has ever worked with anyone other than Melanie.

That, in and of itself, should be a story!

Kart
Jul 11th, 2005, 04:51 PM
Hingis is not coming back.

To singles anyway.

Which is good for her - she's discovering there's more to life than just the tour.

martinafan
Jul 12th, 2005, 12:42 AM
I have my doubts about a comeback...simply because of how much training she wuold have to put in.

However, it would probably be possible for her to make a comeback and play doubles only...she would hardly need to train at all because she'd still have most of her doubles skills, and because she only covers half the court she won't need to do as much fitness training.

I keep hoping she'll make a doubles comeback - she could dominate again which would be so cool! ;)

Albireo
Jul 12th, 2005, 01:11 AM
Hingis seems, to me, to be one of the few players who stands only to lose from a comeback. She seems to be enjoying life without the constant rigmarole of the tour (and without Mom looking over her shoulder)-- although, of course, what seems and what is may be totally different. Her legacy is of a player cut short by injury, with a million questions and an air of mystery surrounding her exit from the game.

The odds of Hingis coming back at anywhere near her previous level-- and to her satisfaction-- are very slim. Better, I think, to leave 'em wondering what may have been than to come back and have desultory results that confirm in people's minds that she was finished in the first place.

Given the coyness and impishness she's always exuded, I would expect Hingis to flirt with the idea of coming back-- to tantalize the tennis world-- and then to wink and scamper off into the sunset again. (I sometimes think Seles should have done the same.) She could, of course, be serious about returning. But in order to play at her standards and make it worthwhile, she'll have to train mightily to recapture her form. And with that training will come the inevitable ankle pains. And then it won't be fun anymore.

Cris Senior
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:48 AM
If indeed you are correct, and she is medically unable to train, practise and make a career on the tour - it seems unlikely she would say:

"I am just enjoying playing tennis. We will see what will pop out after that."

It hardly kills the rumour mill does it? One doctor can be wrong, in fact two, three doctors could be wrong, and given similar comments to the above she made in the last year, it seems more a question over whether she is willing to make the sacrifices to get back to the top of the game.
Comment:
One of he first principles you learn in logic is that "one thing is one thing and another thing is another thing".
The "one thing " here is that she is cured to walk and run as a normal human being". The 'another thing" is that her ankles are not quite repaired to sustainn a regular pro life schedule.
As far her press conferences go, she is just trying to be corteous to sycophantic reporters who keep peatering her with the samen trite comeback question which is lingering now into. its third year.
As far as your medical comments, I'd say they are quite daring. You are implying hat her personal surgeon, Dr Heinz Buehlmann, one of the most renowned orthopedist and surgeons in Europe and who has operated on her twice in 01 and in 02, is wrong inj his prognosis because you say so. You've really got nerve!
It is important to see that he performance of athletes is not just dependendant on their minds and will, but o elementary be awarew of the tremendous wear and tear their bodies undergo in achieving their goals and in order to entertain us. Athletes are not robots but normal humans with whom nature catches up sooner or later,An elementary knowledge of anatomy and medicine would help in this awareness
Now, will you really be willing to make the following bet: starting August !, if Marina starts having a full tournament pro schedule. I'd pay you $100 a month while she lasts at it, otherwise you pay me.Would you make the bet?

JenFan75
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:33 AM
Comment:
One of he first principles you learn in logic is thst "one thing is one thing and another thing is another thing".
The "one thing " is that she is cured to walk as a normal human being". The 'another thing" is that her ankles are not quite repaired to sustainn a regular pro life schedule.
As far her press conferences go, she is just trying to be corteous to sycophantic reporters who keep peatering her with the samen trite comeback question which is lingering now into. its third year.
As far as your medical comments, I'd say they are quite daring. You are implying hat her personal surgeon, Dr Heinz Buehlmann, one of the most renowned orthopedist and surgeons in Europe and who has operated on her twice in 01 and in 02, is wrong inj his prognosis because you say so. You've really got nerve!
Now, will you really be willing to make the following bet: starting August !, if Marina starts having a full tournament pro schedule. I'd pay you $100 a month while she lasts at it, otherwise you pay me.Would you make the bet?

Comment:

Another principle that anyone with good logic should know is to never live on the comments of a single person, because not everyone can be right all the time ;)

-JenFan

Juju #1
Jul 12th, 2005, 08:54 AM
COMMENT:
Welcome to the real world, my friend, where you should take with a grain of salt what journalists have to say in whatever field. Journalists, especially in sports can't get a continous flowing stream of news, so they have to contrive stuff, resucitate players, manufacture unproven new ones, etc. Otherwise, they don't get a paycheck.
In the case of Martina, observe that this guy is just making subjective opinions: "her body LOOKS fit , tour ready". Well that his judgement. It is not what the medical reports say. Again her TWO ankle operations, one for arthrosis in 01 and two torn ligaments in 02 were succesful in allowing her a normal human walking ability. But not necessarilly for a normal tennis pro life, such as 5 hrs a day of practice and weekly tournaments. Dr Buehlmann,her surgeon, was actually blatant about it : "if she practices for more than two hours you' ll see her cringing her face because although her ligaments are repaired the stress of practice will produce inflammation and severe pain will ensue." Again you call him at the clinic and verify this for yourself.
Also, do you really think that someone like Hingis, a natural genius for tennis and who knows nothing of anything else, wouldn't be playing pro at her age if she wasn't physically impeded? Of course, she would. Besides she wouldn't have to bother wih ITF's. Any major tournament would gladly give her WC's.
CS


http://espn.go.com/tennis/news/2003/0121/1496211.html

Doctor: Hingis barrier would be mental

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Associated Press


Martina Hingis would face no problem from her injured ankle if she decides to return to tennis, according to her surgeon.

Heinz Buehlmann operated on Hingis in May. He told a Swiss newspaper Sunday that her ankle has healed properly.

"Martina can play again,'' Buehlmann said. "Martina has had this problem for four years, but the joints of her foot are absolutely OK.''

Hingis said last week that she had no idea if she would return to tennis and didn't have a time frame in mind.

Buehlmann said her barrier would be mental.

"From a medical point of view a comeback would be no problem, but Martina would have to grit her teeth. She would have to be prepared for some pain,'' he said.

"I know Martina very well. I know from the past that she can come back. But whether she wants that, I do not know.''

JenFan75
Jul 12th, 2005, 09:29 AM
http://espn.go.com/tennis/news/2003/0121/1496211.html

Doctor: Hingis barrier would be mental

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Associated Press


Martina Hingis would face no problem from her injured ankle if she decides to return to tennis, according to her surgeon.

Heinz Buehlmann operated on Hingis in May. He told a Swiss newspaper Sunday that her ankle has healed properly.

"Martina can play again,'' Buehlmann said. "Martina has had this problem for four years, but the joints of her foot are absolutely OK.''

Hingis said last week that she had no idea if she would return to tennis and didn't have a time frame in mind.

Buehlmann said her barrier would be mental.

"From a medical point of view a comeback would be no problem, but Martina would have to grit her teeth. She would have to be prepared for some pain,'' he said.

"I know Martina very well. I know from the past that she can come back. But whether she wants that, I do not know.''


<3 I love you.

What might you have to say about that CS?

aheee!!
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:24 PM
A prodigy is left to play out the string


By BRIAN ETTKIN
First published: Tuesday, July 12, 2005

LATHAM -- At age 16, Martina Hingis had the world by a racket string.
She won the 1997 Australian Open, Wimbledon and U.S. Open. She became the youngest player to earn the world's No. 1 ranking, a position she would hold for 209 weeks of her career. She possessed preternatural anticipation and savvy. Her ground strokes, though never overpowering, were as accurate as DNA testing.

"She never made an error," recalled Nick Bollettieri, the renowned tennis instructor.

Hingis made her first million so young that it had to seem like Monopoly money. She always passed Go.

She smiled like a princess, and why not?

When Martina played, it was her court.

She awed some competitors.

She frustrated Venus and Serena.

She inspired young girls.

Then it ended.

Has it really been nearly 2 /2 years since Hingis, at age 22, announced her retirement from tennis because she no longer could stand above the draw on incessantly sore feet and surgically repaired ankles?

"When I made the decision, I was very relieved because I knew I couldn't do it," Hingis said Monday before her World Team Tennis match in Schenectady. "It's not fun when you only can give 70, 80 percent and you're used to giving 100 and you're losing matches that you didn't lose before. It definitely was a relief. After that, OK, I have to move my life in a different direction."

So she has. She owns and rides horses. She skis. She analyzes tennis matches on TV. She plays occasional World Team matches.

"It's good," Hingis said. "It's still nothing compared to when I played professional tennis and traveled a lot and winning Grand Slam (events), nothing like it."

So I can't help but think it must be hard for Hingis to know that she peaked at 16, and no matter what else she achieves, it will pale in comparison to what she accomplished before she could fathom what she had accomplished.

I can't help but think to retire so young must be a tart pill to swallow when the other Martina, the incomparable Martina Navratilova, reached a Wimbledon final at age 37; when Chris Evert retired at 34 after making the U.S. Open quarterfinals; when Steffi Graf played until she was 30, and 29-year-old Lindsay Davenport made a Wimbledon final that 25-year-old Venus Williams won.

I can't help but think that Hingis' reason for playing her only WTA match since retiring, a 1-6, 6-2, 6-2 loss in February to Marlene Weingartner -- the caliber of player Hingis would've fricasseed in her prime -- was to gauge if she could come back.

A writer for The (London) Times described the match as "a strange, gruesome spectacle to see one who has reached such heights in the game be so callously dismantled."

Asked Monday why she played it, Hingis answered as if a different question had been posed.

"It wasn't good enough, that's what pretty much shows," she said. "She played a solid match. I knew if I really want to play, I need to be in better shape. But I don't know if my feet would hold up."

Hingis sounds not the least bitter about the early end to her career. She's financially secure and free of the six-hour workouts, but hasn't ruled out a comeback.
"I don't want to make any decisions right now," she said, appearing uncomfortable.

After winning the '97 Wimbledon championship, 16-year-old Martina Hingis presciently remarked, "Maybe I am too young to win this title."

That was the time in her life when she pulled tennis' strings.

Dawn Marie
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:28 PM
Hingis can make a comeback but it is up to her. Is she willing to put in the extra work? Is she willing to work on her serve? I think her body can comeback but her mind doesn't want to. Imho unless we hear that she is retooling her game her mind is not coming back, at least not if she wants to get inside the top 15.

I do think she has a nice game and I would love it if she came back it would benefit the WTA Tour.

vutt
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:43 PM
http://espn.go.com/tennis/news/2003/0121/1496211.html

Doctor: Hingis barrier would be mental
Associated Press

Martina Hingis would face no problem from her injured ankle if she decides to return to tennis, according to her surgeon.
Heinz Buehlmann operated on Hingis in May. He told a Swiss newspaper Sunday that her ankle has healed properly.
"Martina can play again,'' Buehlmann said. "Martina has had this problem for four years, but the joints of her foot are absolutely OK.''


LOL! Good point. In another thread Cris Senior accused me ignoring doctors medical opinion about her inability to play due to physical condition. I'm ready to pay money in order to see his face now ;)

Cris Senior
Jul 13th, 2005, 01:07 AM
LOL! Good point. In another thread Cris Senior accused me ignoring doctors medical opinion about her inability to play due to physical condition. I'm ready to pay money in order to see his face now ;)
Comment:
To begin with the journalist who wrote this has a lower IQ than you. Even a superficial reading of Dr Buehlman's statement shows he never said that her problem is "mental" but he actually said the opposite, that " she would have to grit her teeth because of pain." This ,is of course a physical condition that he idiotic reporter chose to refer to as "mantal". Amazing!
I remember very well this conference by Dr. Buehlmann two years ago and it was quite lengthy and very detailed, but this reporter selected a few lines out of context to entice and fool rabid fans like yourself. Well this is what journalists do ,especially in sports, where they know they can get away with it given the average quality of readers. What the doctor clearly said is that she is cured for normal purposes ; then he was very specific about an underlying inflammatory condition such that past a couple of hours of continued practice it'd accelarate and produce the pain.Then she'd be risking another operation and more damage. No rational person would risk it like that.Except rabid irrational fans like you,But ,on the other hand, you don't have to play.
But you can bet If you so strongly believe Hingis is comming back let's make this bet lasting a whole year starting August 1: I'll pay you $100 a week for every week of full pro schedule she plays, about $5,000 a year, but if she doesn't, you pay me the same amount. Ready to bet?

Martian Willow
Jul 13th, 2005, 01:24 AM
He might be a total fruitcake but Cris is right: people took in the bit about her ankles being 'healed' but ignored the bit about her playing in pain. :rolleyes:

JenFan75
Jul 13th, 2005, 01:26 AM
I doubt it would come in every match just the long grueling ones...and every player has to play through pain at some point o.O

Cris Senior
Jul 13th, 2005, 02:00 AM
I doubt it would come in every match just the long grueling ones...and every player has to play through pain at some point o.O
Comment:
You are a moron who hasn't even finished high school but feel qualified to make medical-surgical opinions!. Stop posting crap, go and study somenthing useful like anatomy because at this rate you are not going to get SAT's worth enough to get even to Cheekeesaw Community College. Dombo -focko!

Cris Senior
Jul 13th, 2005, 02:12 AM
He might be a total fruitcake but Cris is right: people took in the bit about her ankles being 'healed' but ignored the bit about her playing in pain. :rolleyes:
Comment:
Why would to follow logical reasoning and medical science findings make me a "fruit cake"? I think it is the other way round and making smart-alecky opinions like this grants you the rotten fruit cake case award of the week.
One shocking feature of this forum, about which I did was warned about, is how many people seem to be living in a delusional inverted world based on the celebration of irrationality, ignorance and, worst of all, of being stubbornly arrogant about it.

alwayshingis
Jul 13th, 2005, 02:21 AM
You have to take any medical assessment, whether good or bad, given about athletes with a grain of salt.

The information we receive is not coming from doctors directly to us. It goes through all sorts of publicists and media reps. and the player herself and the reporter.

Therefore we really can't judge where Martina's ankle was then or is now. But just remember, it is not out of the question that they would make the situation seem worse than it was at the beginning because they wanted to get rid of those "can you come back" questions in the first place.

Cris Senior
Jul 13th, 2005, 02:45 AM
You have to take any medical assessment, whether good or bad, given about athletes with a grain of salt.

The information we receive is not coming from doctors directly to us. It goes through all sorts of publicists and media reps. and the player herself and the reporter.

Therefore we really can't judge where Martina's ankle was then or is now. But just remember, it is not out of the question that they would make the situation seem worse than it was at the beginning because they wanted to get rid of those "can you come back" questions in the first place.

Not in this case. Dr Buehlmann gave a lenghthy and detailed direct press conference right after Hingis' last surgery in Zurich.You still can find it in the web if you search with patience. Or better just talk to the Dr at the Bethanienheim Clinic in Zurich. Call him! End of case.
Also the 'come back " questions started right there after the operation and have never ceased. I think Martina has been rather honest about it most of the time. I remember twice last year, she was asked he question in ESPN and she always prefaced her answer by saying "well, barring any medical science miracles, I don't think..."
Also learning and studying a bit of anatomy will certainly make you more confident about evauating medical claims by ignorant lays.It is not that hard.

JenFan75
Jul 13th, 2005, 03:25 AM
Comment:
You are a moron who hasn't even finished high school but feel qualified to make medical-surgical opinions!. Stop posting crap, go and study somenthing useful like anatomy because at this rate you are not going to get SAT's worth enough to get even to Cheekeesaw Community College. Dombo -focko!


I'm still in an array of disbelief that you would insult MY intelligence and then use some juvenile slander like "Dombo-focko"...

ANYWAYS, Nothing I said even involves anatomy. I'm just going by what the article says. So far you have said nothing to prove your point except paraphrasing the words of Martina's doctor.

alwayshingis
Jul 13th, 2005, 04:25 AM
Also learning and studying a bit of anatomy will certainly make you more confident about evauating medical claims by ignorant lays.It is not that hard.

Stop saying this in every post. I know my anatomy, yet I never really claimed anything about this anatomy in my post. I was speaking independently of the true medical facts. Stop trying to make yourself feel so smart.

Rafe306
Jul 13th, 2005, 04:44 AM
I think she'll be playing in the Zurich Open

Cris Senior
Jul 13th, 2005, 05:58 AM
Stop saying this in every post. I know my anatomy, yet I never really claimed anything about this anatomy in my post. I was speaking independently of the true medical facts. Stop trying to make yourself feel so smart.
Comment:
I don' understand your reaction.You correctly pointed out that "one should take other's medical assesments with a grain salt". In agreement I just added that knowledge of anatomy would help in digesting clinical observations, that's all. I wasn' talking about your knowledge or lack of it. I was talking in general. But if you have a tendency to see things self-referentially,that's another issue

Calimero377
Jul 13th, 2005, 06:14 AM
I doubt it would come in every match just the long grueling ones...and every player has to play through pain at some point o.O


True.
Consider Graf.
She played with injuries far worse than what Hingis suffers by right now.
Hingis simply doesn't have - or had - what it takes.

Martian KC
Jul 13th, 2005, 06:18 AM
True.
Consider Graf.
She played with injuries far worse than what Hingis suffers by right now.
Hingis simply doesn't have - or had - what it takes.

She had what it took to take graf to a 5th set at 14/15 years old. :wavey: :haha:

Cris Senior
Jul 13th, 2005, 09:27 AM
True.
Consider Graf.
She played with injuries far worse than what Hingis suffers by right now.
Hingis simply doesn't have - or had - what it takes.
Comment:
Hingis is not suffering from any injuries right know. They were succesfully repaired by Dr. Buehlmann, an orthopedist genius .
However, she does suffer from a predisposition to inflammation and severe pain after a couple of hours of straneous training in the estimation of this doctor who operated on her twice. This condition is a result or, better, a byproduct of the ligaments repair. They were torn, so they had to be streched and sewn back together. In the process of this operation, all the nerves an blood vesicles around the area have to be rearranged which renders them more tender and sensitive to great stress such as the one undergone by athletes.Also, the stretching and sewing of tendons and ligaments has its limits, so it is better to avoid another situation leading to another op. For walking, social dancing and hiking she is fine.
But again, one thing is one thing and another thing is another thing.

vutt
Jul 13th, 2005, 09:52 AM
But you can bet If you so strongly believe Hingis is comming back let's make this bet lasting a whole year starting August 1: I'll pay you $100 a week for every week of full pro schedule she plays, about $5,000 a year, but if she doesn't, you pay me the same amount. Ready to bet?

Do you remember why our little "fight" started? I suggested that due to her mindset she will never return on tour. Multiple times GS winner will not be happy losing in early rounds. It's very hard with her weapons to progress far in today's tennis and she knows that.

So belive me or not I'm with you on that matter. :angel: She won't return altough I belive her main reason for that will be not physical but mental pain.

Veritas
Jul 13th, 2005, 10:04 AM
When Martina was on tour, she was a favourite of mine, and as much as I'd like her to make a strong comeback, I doubt it'd ever happen. She'll be 25 in September for crying out loud - that's middle-age in tennis terms. And the retirement age, or the point where a player's body can't keep up with younger rivals, is around 28-30. This gives her around 3-5 years to re-establish a successful singles career, which isn't long enough especially since she hasn't played professional matches regularly since 2002. It just doesn't look realistic and Martina's a proud girl - having to endure losses to players she'd normally swat aside would be too much for her mind to swallow, since Martina knows better than anyone what she can do once her form is there.

JenFan75
Jul 13th, 2005, 10:56 AM
Comment:
Hingis is not suffering from any injuries right know. They were succesfully repaired by Dr. Buehlmann, an orthopedist genius .
However, she does suffer from a predisposition to inflammation and severe pain after a couple of hours of straneous training in the estimation of this doctor who operated on her twice. This condition is a result or, better, a byproduct of the ligaments repair. They were torn, so they had to be streched and sewn back together. In the process of this operation, all the nerves an blood vesicles around the area have to be rearranged which renders them more tender and sensitive to great stress such as the one undergone by athletes.Also, the stretching and sewing of tendons and ligaments has its limits, so it is better to avoid another situation leading to another op. For walking, social dancing and hiking she is fine.
But again, one thing is one thing and another thing is another thing.

Comment:

You seem extremely obsessed with Dr. Buehlmann...you say his name in every post, it's almost like you're trying to imply that he's your close personal friend. Now you're going as far as "Dr. Buehlmann, orthopedic GENIOUS!" My god...are you drooling when you say his name to yourself? Are you SURE you're not a fruitcake?

Your favorite crossdresser ;)

-JenFan

JenFan75
Jul 15th, 2005, 06:52 PM
*ahem* I like this thread. BUMP

alfonsojose
Jul 15th, 2005, 07:16 PM
LiZpHair :hug:

JenFan75
Jul 15th, 2005, 07:18 PM
LiZpHair :hug:


HI ALFONSO! ^_^ How are things on MTF?

The Pro
Jul 16th, 2005, 09:33 AM
Hingis seems, to me, to be one of the few players who stands only to lose from a comeback. She seems to be enjoying life without the constant rigmarole of the tour (and without Mom looking over her shoulder)-- although, of course, what seems and what is may be totally different. Her legacy is of a player cut short by injury, with a million questions and an air of mystery surrounding her exit from the game.

The odds of Hingis coming back at anywhere near her previous level-- and to her satisfaction-- are very slim. Better, I think, to leave 'em wondering what may have been than to come back and have desultory results that confirm in people's minds that she was finished in the first place.

Given the coyness and impishness she's always exuded, I would expect Hingis to flirt with the idea of coming back-- to tantalize the tennis world-- and then to wink and scamper off into the sunset again. (I sometimes think Seles should have done the same.) She could, of course, be serious about returning. But in order to play at her standards and make it worthwhile, she'll have to train mightily to recapture her form. And with that training will come the inevitable ankle pains. And then it won't be fun anymore.

Nice post.

I'd love her to come back, like SOOOO much, but as much as I hope I can't see it.

-her ankles have to repair so much for her to be as great as she once was
-she will have to grind her way up to the top again, a long round that the likes of Capriati seem prepared for, but not Martina*
-after RG when she lost to Steffi and then Dokic soon after, a cloud began to hang over her IMO, her brow used to furrow and she's get a worried look in her eyes when playing, she wasn't the Swiss Miss anymore, she'd become a REAL fighter battling against the big swingers, while I liked seeing this gutsy change, I hated seeing her upset and lose.

*albeit Capriati came back from infamy and going off the rails, Hingis has injury to forever face.

alfonsojose
Jul 18th, 2005, 02:42 PM
HI ALFONSO! ^_^ How are things on MTF?
Things are a little slower after Wimby, but last week DC was fun and we're ready for U.S. summer season :D

alfonsojose
Jul 19th, 2005, 06:50 PM
I think she could play some doubles and mixed doubles at GS :yeah:

R. Federer
Jul 19th, 2005, 07:20 PM
it would be awesome if Martina Hingis came back to the Tour. I went through withdrawal when she left. It just is not the same without her

I am particularly intrigued about an in-form Hingis versus an in-form JHH. They are both smaller players, and even though JHH has bulked up now, I think that matchup could be fantastic. Some great tennis for sure