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CoolDude7
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:25 PM
here are the rankings taking out the hardcourt and U.S. Open points

1. Sharapova ........ 4360
2. Davenport ........ 3833
3. Mauresmo ......... 3267
4. Serena Williams .. 2521
5. Henin-Hardenne ... 2506
6. Venus Williams ... 2301
7. Petrova .......... 2180
8. Clijsters ........ 2074
9. Kuznetsova ....... 2038
10. Dementieva ...... 1960
11. Schnyder ........ 1908
12. Myskina ......... 1799
13. Molik ........... 1756
14. Pierce .......... 1667
15. Ivanovic ........ 1389
16. Dechy ........... 1351
17. Jankovic ........ 1279
18. Bovina .......... 1207
19. Likhovtseva ..... 1202
20. Zvonareva ....... 1196

Any thoughts?? :wavey:

Knizzle
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:26 PM
You think you could possibly add the US Open points back in just to see for seeding purposes at the US Open?? Also New Haven if applicable(not sure if the weeks match up this year).

CoolDude7
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:28 PM
This is with the U.S. Open Points - hardcourts :wavey:

1. Sharapova ........ 4452
2. Davenport ........ 4289
3. Mauresmo ......... 3529
4. Kuznetsova ....... 3054
5. Serena Williams .. 2799
6. Dementieva ....... 2766
7. Henin-Hardenne ... 2634
8. Petrova .......... 2612
9. Venus Williams ... 2455
10. Clijsters ....... 2074
11. Schnyder ........ 2056
12. Pierce .......... 1879
13. Myskina ......... 1839
14. Molik ........... 1796
15. Dechy ........... 1431
16. Ivanovic ........ 1391
17. Zvonareva ....... 1332
18. Jankovic ........ 1319
19. Bovina .......... 1295
20. Likhovtseva ..... 1204

CoolDude7
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:31 PM
Kuz and Demented must bring their best to the U.S. Open. Otherwise some key players will pass them

CoolDude7
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:33 PM
1 Lindsay Davenport 5613 - 1324 = 4289 (2)
2004-07-12: Won Stanford (Tier II) 282
2004-07-19: Won Los Angeles (Tier II) 396
2004-07-26: Won San Diego (Tier I) 461
2004-08-16: Won Cincinnati (Tier III) 175

2 Maria Sharapova 4452 - 0000 = 4452 (1)
No points between now and U.S. Open among her top 17 events in the last 52 weeks.

3 Amelie Mauresmo 4208 - 687 = 3521 (3)
2004-08-02: Won Montreal (Tier I) 401
2004-08-16: Rup Olympics 286

4 Svetlana Kuznetsova 3248 - 194 = 3054 (4)
2004-07-19: QF Los Angeles (Tier II) 87
2004-08-16: QF Olympics 107

5 Elena Dementieva 3211 - 445 = 2766 (6)
2004-07-19: SF Los Angeles (Tier II) 156
2004-07-26: SF San Diego (Tier I) 183
2004-08-23: SF New Haven (Tier II) 106

6 Serena Williams 3145 - 346 = 2799 (5)
2004-07-19: Rup Los Angeles (Tier II) 238
2004-07-26: QF San Diego (Tier I) 108

7 Justine Henin-Hardenne 3069 - 435 = 2634 (7)
2004-08-16: Won Olympics 435

8 Venus Williams 2806 - 351 = 2455 (9)
2004-07-12: Rup Stanford (Tier II) 187
2004-07-19: SF Los Angeles (Tier II) 125
2004-08-16: R3 Olympics 39

9 Nadia Petrova 2672 - 60 = 2612 (8)
2004-07-19: QF Los Angeles (Tier II) 60

10 Anastasia Myskina 2571 - 732 = 1839 (13)
2004-07-26: Rup San Diego (Tier I) 315
2004-08-02: SF Montreal (Tier I) 189
2004-08-09: SF Sopot (Tier III) 78
2004-08-16: SF Olympics 150

11 Alicia Molik 2330 - 534 = 1796 (14)
2004-07-26: R3 San Diego (Tier I) 118
2004-08-02: Won Stockholm (Tier IV) 136
2004-08-16: SF Olympics 280

12 Patty Schnyder 2167 - 111 = 2056 (11)
2004-07-12: QF Stanford (Tier II) 59
2004-08-16: R3 Olympics 52

13 Mary Pierce 2116 - 237 = 1879 (12)
2004-07-26: R2 San Diego (Tier I) 35
2004-08-02: R3 Montreal (Tier I) 60
2004-08-16: QF Olympics 142

14 Kim Clijsters 2074 - 0000 = 2074 (10)
No points to defend between now and U.S. Open.

15 Vera Zvonareva 1906 - 574 = 1332 (17)
2004-07-19: QF Los Angeles (Tier II) 57
2004-07-26: SF San Diego (Tier I) 203
2004-08-02: SF Montreal (Tier I) 198
2004-08-16: Rup Cincinnati (Tier III) 116

16 Elena Likhovtseva 1807 - 603 = 1204 (20)
2004-07-19: R3 Los Angeles (Tier II) 37
2004-07-26: R3 San Diego (Tier I) 85
2004-08-02: Rup Montreal (Tier I) 381
2004-08-23: Won Forest Hills (Tier V) 100

17 Elena Bovina 1695 - 400 = 1295 (19)
2004-07-26: R3 San Diego (Tier I) 75
2004-08-02: R3 Montreal (Tier I) 52
2004-08-23: Won New Haven (Tier II) 273

18 Nathalie Dechy 1666 - 235 = 1431 (15)
2004-08-23: Rup New Haven (Tier II) 206
2004-08-02: R2 Montreal (Tier I) 29

19 Jelena Jankovic 1417.25 - 98 = 1319.25 (18)
2004-08-23: QF New Haven (TierII) 63
2004-08-02: R2 Montreal (Tier I) 35

20 Ana Ivanovic 1390.75 - 0000 = 1390.75 (16)
No points to defend between now and U.S. Open.

Knizzle
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:34 PM
Didn't realize Myskina had so much to defend.

CoolDude7
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:37 PM
Didn't realize Myskina had so much to defend.

yeah, she was consistent last year. Looks like the battle for the 8th seed will be between Venus, Nadia, and Hen!

Paneru
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:55 PM
Sharapova played San Diego,
Montreal, & New Haven last year.

Knizzle
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:58 PM
Sharapova played San Diego,
Montreal, & New Haven last year.

None of them count in her current total though. So she won't lose any points if she doesn't defend those.

Andy T
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:08 PM
Does this mean we're heading towards having a new number 1 this summer - and one who is yet again not a reigning champ at one of the majors?

Knizzle
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:09 PM
Does this mean we're heading towards having a new number 1 this summer - and one who is yet again not a reigning champ at one of the majors?

Depends on how she does on the hardcourts. She(Maria) could end up not gaining alot like she did last year.

CoolDude7
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:10 PM
Does this mean we're heading towards having a new number 1 this summer - and one who is yet again not a reigning champ at one of the majors?

That is very doubtful. That would mean that maria has to make the semi's of every event she plays, and she has to hope that Lindz falters on the hardcourts! :wavey:

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:23 PM
Looks like Myskina is running out of options. She'll be out of the top 10 after San Diego. Looks like Schynder or Clijsters will take her place. If Schynder wins Cincinnati that will put her in good shape.

For Sharapova to get to number one. She has to win a tourni before the US Open and get to the semis of the slam. She has to hope that somewhere, Lindsay loses her consistency at her home tournis and loses early.
Let's give it a break. Sharapova has had more than 2 months to capture the no 1. That was during Lindsay's most inconsistent part of her year. She didn't do it.
People have been gunning for Lindsay's ranking for almost 10 months.
Myskina couldn't do it. Mauresmo couldn't do it. Serena couldn't do it. The chances of Sharapova doing it is even worse.
She's almost 1200 points behind Lindsay. If we were talking about someone like Clijsters who as usual is playing an insane schedule for the summer season, I would probably give her the edge over Lindsay. It's Sharapova who hasn't proven that she particularly can deal with the extremes like players such as Serena, Venus, Capriati, and Clijsters.

densuprun
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:41 PM
CoolDude,

I have only calculated the first three players. Here are some corrections to your tables:
Davenport defends 1314 points before US Open, not 1324. Her pre-USO rating should be 4299, post-USO: 3843. Sharapova's numbers are correct. As for Amelie, in post 5 you have the correct number - 3521 which, however, is shown incorrectly in post 3 as 3529.

CoolDude7
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:45 PM
it looks as if the top players are slowly moving up. The russians are moving down(besides Maria). Petrova is consistent. LOL who would have thought she would be ahead of Demented, Kuz, and Nastya??

Wiggly
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:54 PM
#1 race will be unbelievably close :bounce:

SJW
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:57 PM
thanks for that :)
the sisters have a lot of ground to make up :cool:
go V & S :banana: i hope Alicia comes back soon.

densuprun
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:01 PM
These numbers are misleading though. Lets take Lindsay and Maria.

Lindsay has played 17 tournaments over the last 12 months. Last year she played 4 between Wim. and USO. I doubt she will play more than 3 this year. Whether she plays 3 or 4 all points that she earns will be added to her total. Thus, Lindsay's expected rating before USO is 4299 + points from 3 tournaments

It's more complicated for Maria. For example, points from her next tournament, San Diego, will only count if they exceed her current 17th result which is 92 points. If this happens then only the difference between SD points and 92 will be added to her current 4452 shown in post 3. Maria is scheduled to play 3 tournaments before US Open. Assuming she plays semidecent (which is a safe assumption considering her consistency) she will exceed her 15th result (102 points) in each of these three tournaments. Then her new three results will replace her current 15th, 16th and 17th best (102, 93, 92 points). Thus, Maria's expected rating before USO is 4452 + points from 3 tournaments - (102+93+92) = 4165 + points from 3 tournaments

To summarize, assuming Maria gets more than 102 in each of her 3 tournaments,
BEFORE USO:
LD: 4299 + points from 3 tournaments
MS: 4165 + points from 3 tournaments

Similarly, assuming Maria gets more than 112 in each of her 4 tournaments,
AFTER USO:
MS: 4053 + points from 4 tournaments
LD: 3843 + points from 4 tournaments
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Thus, Maria does have an edge over Lindsay after US Open but not before it.

densuprun
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Lets assume Lindsay skips Cincinnati but plays Stanford and San Diego while Maria plays only San Diego (as she plans to do). Before San Diego starts, on August 1, the ratings will be
LD: 4474 + Stanford
MS: 4452

After San Diego, on August 8, they will be:
LD: 4474 + Stanford + SD
MS: 4360 + SD (assuming she gets more than 92 at SD)

Thus, depending on the amount of Lindsay's Stanford'05 points, #1 rank may or may not be on the line during San Diego. Of course, even if it is on the line, it will probably take just a couple of wins from Lindsay to guarantee that she holds on to it.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 10th, 2005, 10:32 PM
great stuff

i heart backhand
Jul 11th, 2005, 04:07 AM
It's sad to think that Zvonareva's mental stability (or lacktherof) is going to keep her on the lower end of the top 20.

TF Chipmunk
Jul 11th, 2005, 04:40 AM
Gosh, rankings make me so :confused: It's all the "17th tournament" crap that gets me all befuddled!

JenFan75
Jul 11th, 2005, 04:48 AM
I don't much like these rankings...

VeeDaQueen
Jul 11th, 2005, 05:20 AM
I wonder if last year, Maria knew she would be in this position this year, so she tanked her matches last year. Just a crazy thought ;)

densuprun
Jul 11th, 2005, 05:26 AM
Had she played better last year, she would be number 1 by her 18th birthday in mid April. That would be nice.

tennnisfannn
Jul 11th, 2005, 05:41 AM
maria should do well on the US hardcourts, last year she was still so dazzled by the wimbledon win to really focus on the hardcourts, this year she is hungry and will be gunning for the USO.
Lindsay should do well but i think she is carrying alot of disspointment for the season so far. If anyone had told her at the beginnning of last year that we would be having six different winners in the next six slams and none of them would be her, she would never have believed it and neither would I