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ezekiel
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:37 PM
both of them are lefties and Rafa can go 2 handed like Monica as much as any man I've seen. Both were/are young prodigies, both won RG first, both have/had superior baseline strokes with superior accuracy but what really propelles/ed them is the mental toughness and competitiveness, both struggled early on grass and both came up against dominant players on huge streaks.


Also both of them were/are very extroverted even after the stabbing which made them very popular as well as the game itself to a wide variety of people. But let's face it, no one can dance around like Rafa :lol:

Wojtek
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:39 PM
No.

matthieu_tennis
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:50 PM
and monica hit harder then rafa on backhand side

Experimentee
Jul 10th, 2005, 05:02 PM
Dont see the similarity there.

wave
Jul 10th, 2005, 05:04 PM
Why do you want to compare Nadal with anyone possible...? I have read threads on him like this before...:rolleyes:
He is totally different from Monica in any way of playing tennis (no double hand-style on both sides, top-spin compared to flat groundies...) I see no similarity at all.:o
And where Monica was kind of shy in talking about her aims in tennis when she was starting her Grand Slam wins, he talks about "winning Wimbledon is my goal from now on until I die"...a bit exaggerated to me... Well, he is certainly different, I don't like him so much, but I can understand that others are his fans. So cudos to him for winning the French Open at his young age, he will grow in character and life perspective for sure.

BUT HE HAS NO SIMILARITY WHATSOEVER TO MONICA.
If winning the French Open is a similarity then many players would be similar to her...but there aren't because there is only one Monica! :hearts:

MLF
Jul 10th, 2005, 05:58 PM
If anything Nadal is the new Arantxa Sanchez Vicario, without Arantxa's good volleying skills.

victory1
Jul 10th, 2005, 06:19 PM
Plus Monica wins where way more diverse than Rafa's. He just won his 8 titles
(all 8 are on clay). I don't know why the men tour has clay tournaments when it's hard court season, it gives people like Rafa a way to pad their rankings!

Kart
Jul 10th, 2005, 06:22 PM
BUT HE HAS NO SIMILARITY WHATSOEVER TO MONICA.
If winnig the French Open is a similarity than many players would be similar to her...but there aren't because there is only one Monica! :hearts:

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

manu32
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:00 PM
No.....

The Pro
Jul 13th, 2005, 02:38 PM
When did Nadal get stabbed? :eek:




:tape:

Sam's Slave
Jul 13th, 2005, 02:58 PM
no, he is a modern version of ASV cause they have the same voice...btw, i'm not a hater, i loooooooove both of them

controlfreak
Jul 13th, 2005, 03:07 PM
When did Seles ever sprint across the whole baseline and up and down the court about seventeen times just to stay in one point?

This new kid on the block must get through tennis shoes like I get through boxes of Kleenex and hand lube. :bolt:

Shonami Slam
Jul 13th, 2005, 03:14 PM
absaloutly NOT.

ezekiel
Jul 13th, 2005, 03:41 PM
When did Seles ever sprint across the whole baseline and up and down the court about seventeen times just to stay in one point?

This new kid on the block must get through tennis shoes like I get through boxes of Kleenex and hand lube. :bolt:

Monica was the one to never give up
You are funny :lol:
I recently watched her match against Capriati in key biscayne 91 and you woulnd't believe how much they were pushing each other from side to side.
Monica was so strong mentally at such a young age that she had winning confidence going against Graf and Navratilova and others. I see similar confidence in Rafa going aginst Fed really. The one thing where they are different obviously is that Monica is quiet, smiling off court and completelly unassuming whereas Rafa is very macho looking and behaving.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Rafa goes the distance and wins some US and Aussie Open and RG is his to lose. Of course he'll struggle at Wimby but I think he's shown ability to get better and persevere. So It just seems to me that their strenghts and weaknesses are similar and both have this mental toughness aura that makes them persevere.
But as someone else pointed out to the stabbing, let's hope Fed doesn't have some criminally minded fans who are threatened by Rafa :fiery:

Experimentee
Jul 13th, 2005, 04:50 PM
Plus Monica wins where way more diverse than Rafa's. He just won his 8 titles
(all 8 are on clay). I don't know why the men tour has clay tournaments when it's hard court season, it gives people like Rafa a way to pad their rankings!

Are you being serious? Rafa has good results on hardcourts, he was only points away from a straight set win against Federer in the Miami final! He definitely does not pad his ranking from clay tournaments.

ezekiel
Aug 14th, 2005, 08:52 PM
I am watching Nadal now against Agassi and his strokes are so much like Monica's :eek:

roxi
Aug 14th, 2005, 09:09 PM
No!!!!!!!!!!!

volta
Aug 14th, 2005, 09:46 PM
not really

Veritas
Aug 14th, 2005, 10:47 PM
Monica fans , Do you think Rafa is a modern , male version of our little Mo?

Absolutely not.

Fingon
Aug 14th, 2005, 10:57 PM
no

Havok
Aug 14th, 2005, 11:00 PM
:retard: Are you on something? Seles is a baseliner who hits with insane power. Nadal is more of a scrambler/counter puncher who plays with tons of spin to never allow his opponents to take the initiative/overpower him. They play nothing alike and are nowhere near similar in anything they do on the court.

Sam L
Aug 14th, 2005, 11:10 PM
Hell no. That's an insult to Monica.

Sam L
Aug 14th, 2005, 11:12 PM
Nadal is just a claycourt specialist. But Monica could play on any surface.

njnetswill
Aug 14th, 2005, 11:21 PM
Hell no. That's an insult to Monica.

No, it's an insult to Rafa.

ezekiel
Aug 14th, 2005, 11:27 PM
:retard: to you :devil:
Both are lefty baseliners who hit surprisingly powerful and accurate groundstrokes from all over the court and they have identical 2 handed backhand with nice spin moves and they come to the net whne needed but what really separated them was mental toughness at a young age, don't forget guys mature later. Both were coming up against seemingly invincible players and if history repeats itself Rafa should be #1 next year :wavey:

ezekiel
Aug 14th, 2005, 11:30 PM
Nadal is just a claycourt specialist. But Monica could play on any surface.

and that's why he won today in Montreal today and almost won against Roger in Miami couple of months ago :tape:
I suspect he is just fine on hardcourts :rolleyes:

RenaSlam.
Aug 14th, 2005, 11:32 PM
Nadal is just a claycourt specialist. But Monica could play on any surface.

After beating my boy Agassi in the final of a Masters hardcourt and you are saying this?

:lol: :rolleyes: :lol:

njnetswill
Aug 14th, 2005, 11:33 PM
and that's why he won today in Montreal today and almost won against Roger in Miami couple of months ago :tape:
I suspect he is just fine on hardcourts :rolleyes:

Exactly what I was going to say. :)

ezekiel
Aug 14th, 2005, 11:36 PM
Hell no. That's an insult to Monica.

I am a big Monica fan but it's an actual compliment to Monica as she deeply impacted the game of tennis on and off court and continues to do so in new era. She is a true trailblazer :worship: :angel:

Havok
Aug 14th, 2005, 11:37 PM
:retard: to you :devil:
Both are lefty baseliners who hit surprisingly powerful and accurate groundstrokes from all over the court and they have identical 2 handed backhand with nice spin moves and they come to the net whne needed but what really separated them was mental toughness at a young age, don't forget guys mature later. Both were coming up against seemingly invincible players and if history repeats itself Rafa should be #1 next year :wavey:
I repeat, Seles hits with way more power on a consistent basis than Nadal does. Rafa uses huge topspin to move his opponents around the court and then will let a forehand rip after an extensive rally. he'll never really rip backhands for winners, much prefers to keep it hit with huge topspin and produce angles. Seles hits hard and that's how she moves her opponents from side to side, and Seles is always looking for the winner and plays first strike tennis for the most part. Thei backhands are not identical, as my statement above shows how they are so different.

practiceboy
Aug 15th, 2005, 01:47 PM
In terms of mechanical style, I don't think that Nadal and Seles are all that similar.

But in terms of the storylines, I think they're pretty similar... Graf dominated for several years before she got into a rivalry with the younger Seles (who was most successful on clay at first), which turned into a brief domination by Seles on almost all surfaces.

Federer has now dominated for a couple years, and it seems that he's getting into a rivalry with the younger Nadal (who has been most successful on clay thus far). If Nadal wins Cincinatti and/or the US Open, then hold on to your hats... He could end the year #1

Bероника
Aug 15th, 2005, 01:51 PM
Not at all! I would be scared if I saw Monica doing some gestures Rafa performs on court...

SJW
Aug 15th, 2005, 02:13 PM
well i like both of them so they both must be great.

VRee_Willario
Aug 15th, 2005, 02:19 PM
Monica never showed that much emotion, never jumped up and down pumping her fist. Her flat aggressive strokes are a differnece to the Counter-punching Rafael Nadal.
And Monica wasn't that fast

esquímaux
Aug 15th, 2005, 02:47 PM
No.Blunt.

iPatty
Aug 15th, 2005, 03:06 PM
Not at all. Ill make a list.

Monica- Aggresive, hits the ball hard and flat, takes the ball early, two hands off both sides, not emotional on court, doesnt yell Vamos when opponent makes a mistake.

Rafa- Pusher, takes ball wat after it bounces, puts lots of spin on the ball, has no backhand, very emotional on court, yells Vamos when opponent makes a mistake.

Very big difference.

DA FOREHAND
Aug 15th, 2005, 03:51 PM
Monica was the one to never give up
You are funny :lol:
I recently watched her match against Capriati in key biscayne 91 and you woulnd't believe how much they were pushing each other from side to side.
Monica was so strong mentally at such a young age that she had winning confidence going against Graf and Navratilova and others. I see similar confidence in Rafa going aginst Fed really. The one thing where they are different obviously is that Monica is quiet, smiling off court and completelly unassuming whereas Rafa is very macho looking and behaving.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Rafa goes the distance and wins some US and Aussie Open and RG is his to lose. Of course he'll struggle at Wimby but I think he's shown ability to get better and persevere. So It just seems to me that their strenghts and weaknesses are similar and both have this mental toughness aura that makes them persevere.
But as someone else pointed out to the stabbing, let's hope Fed doesn't have some criminally minded fans who are threatened by Rafa :fiery:


" I see similar confidence in Rafa going aginst Fed really. The one thing where they are different obviously is that Monica is quiet, smiling off court and completelly unassuming whereas Rafa is very macho looking and behaving."

You obviously didn't follow Monica pre-stabbing, she was hardly unassuming.
To answer your thread ....NO not alike at all.

WhatTheDeuce
Aug 15th, 2005, 03:59 PM
In terms of their intensity and fihting spirit, there's a similarity (though Rafa shows his emotions a lot more).

In terms of their actual games, they couldn't be more different.

ezekiel
Aug 15th, 2005, 04:10 PM
You obviously didn't follow Monica pre-stabbing, she was hardly unassuming.
To answer your thread ....NO not alike at all.

First of all, This thread is for Selestials and friends , not for bitter grafanatics, ok? :retard:
Secondly, Monica's personality has always been bubbly, fun and extroverted as I witnessed this week when in public but privately she is very unassuming and keeps to herself.

Maryamator
Aug 15th, 2005, 04:16 PM
Plus Monica wins where way more diverse than Rafa's. He just won his 8 titles
(all 8 are on clay). I don't know why the men tour has clay tournaments when it's hard court season, it gives people like Rafa a way to pad their rankings!

dont forget the tile h won yeserday:D (rogers cup) rogers cup is on hard so 8 titles on clay 1 title on hard:D

ezekiel
Aug 15th, 2005, 04:17 PM
In terms of their intensity and fihting spirit, there's a similarity (though Rafa shows his emotions a lot more).

Monica was very joyous when celebrating and really brought some fire into the game. Rafa flexes muscles and screams vamos

In terms of their actual games, they couldn't be more different.
Their serve and 2 handed backhand are the same.

WhatTheDeuce
Aug 15th, 2005, 04:20 PM
Monica was very joyous when celebrating and really brought some fire into the game. Rafa flexes muscles and screams vamos


Their serve and 2 handed backhand are the same.
:retard:

Monica obviously was happy when she won, as most players were. During matches however, she didnt show much emotion. Rafa is an emotion MACHINE during AND after matches. Big difference.

Rafa doesnt have a flat serve at all, he slices the crap out of everything. That's not how Monica served. Yes, Monica had a slice serve, but she didn't use it ALL THE TIME, and she generally tried to bang the first one pretty flat.

The only similarity between their backhands is that they both use 2 hands. :retard: Monica's was very powerful and mostly flat, and zipped through the court. Rafa's has enormous topspin and he's not nearly as agressive with it.

I dont see the similarities between these two players AT ALL, as most others have said. I dont get what you see. :shrug:

DA FOREHAND
Aug 15th, 2005, 04:24 PM
First of all, This thread is for Selestials and friends , not for bitter grafanatics, ok? :retard:
Secondly, Monica's personality has always been bubbly, fun and extroverted as I witnessed this week when in public but privately she is very unassuming and keeps to herself.
LOL

Graf has 22 slams, and ended her career as the #3 ranked player in the world beating the # 1 player in the world to win a Slam. yeah i'm bitter. :lol:

ezekiel
Aug 15th, 2005, 04:40 PM
:kiss:

Monica obviously was happy when she won, as most players were. During matches however, she didnt show much emotion. Rafa is an emotion MACHINE during AND after matches. Big difference.

We kind of established that Rafa is macho out there and that's how he celebrates. Fist pumping , muscle flexing he does it because he knows he looks good.




Rafa doesnt have a flat serve at all, he slices the crap out of everything. That's not how Monica served. Yes, Monica had a slice serve, but she didn't use it ALL THE TIME, and she generally tried to bang the first one pretty flat.

Neither has Rafa, only started recently to improve his placement. They are both lefties with a tricky serve but certainly not fast or strong.

The only similarity between their backhands is that they both use 2 hands. :kiss: Monica's was very powerful and mostly flat, and zipped through the court. Rafa's has enormous topspin and he's not nearly as agressive with it.

Their backhad is the same. I watched him yesterday and it was remarkable.

I dont see the similarities between these two players AT ALL, as most others have said. I dont get what you see. :shrug:

They are very similar but not the same in all aspects of course . The nuances of men's and women's game play the part . We both have different perspective I guess and I'll leave you with your own.