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senorgato
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:44 AM
Why was Novotna inducted before Gabi? Gabi had a better career, overall, than Jana and they each have won 1 Grand Slam title each. Gabi won the year-end championships 2x's and had a 10-3 record against Jana. It's been almost 10 years since she retired, I don't understand why she isn't in the H of F yet.
Anyone know?

Pamela Shriver
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:53 AM
She's not friends with Martina like moi....

thrust
Jul 10th, 2005, 10:08 AM
Jana probably won a lot more doubles titles than Gaby. I loved Gaby, but I really do not think she belongs in the HOF. Neither does Noah or Jana.

Venus Forever
Jul 10th, 2005, 05:35 PM
I think Jana definitely deserves to be in the HOF. She won 12 double's GS titles, including each GS at least twice, if I'm not mistaken.

Sabatini, however, only has two GS titles: 1990 US Open Single's, and I believe a 1993 Wimbledon Double's title with Graf.

I think we can see the difference between the two careers. ;)

Noah, I have no idea why he was inducted. One slam, only ranked as high as #3... if anything, this should be the one to argue as to why Sabatini did not get in the HOF.

DA FOREHAND
Jul 10th, 2005, 05:53 PM
Jana probably won a lot more doubles titles than Gaby. I loved Gaby, but I really do not think she belongs in the HOF. Neither does Noah or Jana.
I agree, the HOF, should be resereved for the true greats of the game, no matter which sport they play.

Volcana
Jul 10th, 2005, 06:12 PM
Novotna - 12 GS doubles, 4 GS mixed doubles titles.
Sabatini - 1 GS doubles title.

The poeple who run the Hall of Fame think doubles is important, even if some poeple around here don't.

In any case, letting one person who doesnt belong in the Hall of Fame in doesn't mean you should let in everyone who doesn't belong. The Hall of Fame lets in too many players as it is.

Kart
Jul 10th, 2005, 06:58 PM
Sabatini doesn't need the vindication of the hall of fame as much as Novotna does.

senorgato
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:55 PM
Novotna isnt' even Tennis Mag's top 40 players list and Gaby came in at #40. Since the countdown is in the top 20 now, I doubt Novotna is in that list.

And I don't agree that Sabatini wasn't a great player. Her Grand Slam record is impressive for any player, even though she only won 1. She got to two other finals and reached the semis on many occasions.

Even today, commentators and publications talk about her and the game she brought. If it wasn't for her, there probably would be no Justine Henin-Hardenne or Amelie Mauresmo.

manu32
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:04 PM
and noah???? at the same level than courier?????

Gallofa
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:11 PM
Sabatini doesn't need the vindication of the hall of fame as much as Novotna does.

:lol:

Someone is obviously not bitter about this... la la. ;) :lol:

Venus Forever
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:21 PM
Novotna isnt' even Tennis Mag's top 40 players list and Gaby came in at #40. Since the countdown is in the top 20 now, I doubt Novotna is in that list.

And I don't agree that Sabatini wasn't a great player. Her Grand Slam record is impressive for any player, even though she only won 1. She got to two other finals and reached the semis on many occasions.

Even today, commentators and publications talk about her and the game she brought. If it wasn't for her, there probably would be no Justine Henin-Hardenne or Amelie Mauresmo.
Who is saying she didn't have a great career?? I think almost anyone, outside the true greats, would love to have her career...

BUT, is it Hall Of Fame worthy??

I, personally, don't think so.

Gallofa
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:26 PM
I think some of you should click on the profiles of the people who are in the Hall of Fame and realise what is truly the standard before saying someone like Jana is bellow par.

If only people like Steffi got in, she could have tea parties with Margaret Court, Navratilova and maybe Evert. No need for a hall, a cabinet would do ;).

senorgato
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:33 PM
Who is saying she didn't have a great career?? I think almost anyone, outside the true greats, would love to have her career...

BUT, is it Hall Of Fame worthy??

I, personally, don't think so.

Well, that's your opinion....as wrong as it is :lol:

If Pam Shriver can be inducted after being carried by Martina for so many years, well, then........

Venus Forever
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:39 PM
Well, that's your opinion....as wrong as it is :lol:

If Pam Shriver can be inducted after being carried by Martina for so many years, well, then........
Do you honestly believe that Gabriela Sabatini belongs in the Hall of Fame, with only two GS titles?? Do you honestly believe she belongs in the same class as players with over 10 GS's, who have reached #1 in the world, and who have contributed tremendously to what the sport is today in off court achievements??

As for Pam Shriver, she does deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. Yes, she played with arguably the greatest tennis player to ever play the game, but a double's team is only as good as its weakest partner.

Kart
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:40 PM
:lol:

Someone is obviously not bitter about this... la la. ;) :lol:

:tape:

senorgato
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Do you honestly believe that Gabriela Sabatini belongs in the Hall of Fame, with only two GS titles?? Do you honestly believe she belongs in the same class as players with over 10 GS's, who have reached #1 in the world, and who have contributed tremendously to what the sport is today in off court achievements??

As for Pam Shriver, she does deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. Yes, she played with arguably the greatest tennis player to ever play the game, but a double's team is only as good as its weakest partner.

do you think I'd be saying this if I didn't believe it. Your standards are different than mine. So, don't waste your energy arguing it.

Venus Forever
Jul 10th, 2005, 08:58 PM
You must have some pretty low standards... :p

senorgato
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:01 PM
You must have some pretty low standards... :p

probably the stupidest comment I've seen on these boards.

tennisIlove09
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:03 PM
probably the stupidest comment I've seen on these boards.

you dont read much around here then, do you :p ;)

raquel
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:25 PM
Gaby should be in the Hall of Fame. I was always an Arantxa fan but Gaby was a great player. Gaby should get into the Hall of Fame and I've sent them enough emails to their website under a load of fake names telling them so.

senorgato
Jul 11th, 2005, 12:51 AM
Gaby should be in the Hall of Fame. I was always an Arantxa fan but Gaby was a great player. Gaby should get into the Hall of Fame and I've sent them enough emails to their website under a load of fake names telling them so.

I've sent them emails, too, with no replies.

Luis Gonzalez
Jul 11th, 2005, 02:55 AM
Venus Forever, (as we both are as I am a Venus fan as well)

Wow! if "contributing TREMENDOUSLY to the sport on and off the court" as you said, was a factor in getting into the HOF Gabriela Sabatini epitomized that exactly! With her class, beauty, charm, beauty, grace, beauty sportsmanship, beauty, elegant and they way she played the game she single handidly changed the way people saw the sport entirely!

Gabriela was an advertisers dream ( and was) and she had GAME to back it up. (no kournikova here) If you take a really close look back to her RESULTS, had STEFFI GRAF not been around Sabatini would have won TONS of more slams a gold medal etc. etc. It was Steffi Graf to stop her at most slam/tournament semis/finals. Seriously look it up. Then when she got a hold on how to beat Steffi , Seles came along now you are talking about 2 of the greatest players the sport has ever known for Gaby to contend with and she held her own defeating Seles on a regular basis as well but not overcoming either Grafs nor Seles overall records /wins but Gaby was right up there. Nowadays ANYBODY can be #1 and they have(Clijters, Mauresmo) because there is NO dominant player Graf/Seles/Martina. N/Evert. She fell ONE match short of becoming world #1 in 91' or 92' losing to Anke Huber instead (because of a damn party her friends gave her the night before...unwise) A HOF is someone who single handidly takes the sport to another level or brings on the masses to a aposrt where the AVERAGE person doesnt know about and that is what Gabriela Sabatini did with her APPEAL. I wish my pal Zummi who posts here can add to this because he is so much more informative than I am but She is up there and I believe will get in soon!

Venus Forever
Jul 11th, 2005, 03:57 AM
Venus Forever, (as we both are as I am a Venus fan as well)

Wow! if "contributing TREMENDOUSLY to the sport on and off the court" as you said, was a factor in getting into the HOF Gabriela Sabatini epitomized that exactly! With her class, beauty, charm, beauty, grace, beauty sportsmanship, beauty, elegant and they way she played the game she single handidly changed the way people saw the sport entirely!

Gabriela was an advertisers dream ( and was) and she had GAME to back it up. (no kournikova here) If you take a really close look back to her RESULTS, had STEFFI GRAF not been around Sabatini would have won TONS of more slams a gold medal etc. etc. It was Steffi Graf to stop her at most slam/tournament semis/finals. Seriously look it up. Then when she got a hold on how to beat Steffi , Seles came along now you are talking about 2 of the greatest players the sport has ever known for Gaby to contend with and she held her own defeating Seles on a regular basis as well but not overcoming either Grafs nor Seles overall records /wins but Gaby was right up there. Nowadays ANYBODY can be #1 and they have(Clijters, Mauresmo) because there is NO dominant player Graf/Seles/Martina. N/Evert. She fell ONE match short of becoming world #1 in 91' or 92' losing to Anke Huber instead (because of a damn party her friends gave her the night before...unwise) A HOF is someone who single handidly takes the sport to another level or brings on the masses to a aposrt where the AVERAGE person doesnt know about and that is what Gabriela Sabatini did with her APPEAL. I wish my pal Zummi who posts here can add to this because he is so much more informative than I am but She is up there and I believe will get in soon!
Nice post, but she did not have the career to back up a Hall of Fame entrance. If Seles and Graf weren't in her way, she'd probably have tons of slam, but, they WERE in her way, and only has ONE slam. I'm not refuting her great tennis skills and the great career she had, but should it really be included with the likes of those who have won over 10 GS's, those who actually became #1, and those who have contributed to tennis' numerous off-court accomplishments.

Yes, she has won two Slams [one singles, one doubles], reached #2 in the world, and I'm sure she has hosted a few tennis clinics for youth, but should she be included the other players already inducted into the HOF??

Should she be considered with Steffi Graf, a 20+ GS winner?? with Pam Shriver, one of the most accomplished double's player ever??

I mean, let's look at her impact. Was it great, sure, but did it really change the sport? I rarely ever hear any tennis great, sports commentator, or any tennis player even remark on Sabatini, but then, maybe that's due to just US bias, although I don't think so. I'm sure she's had a great impact on Argentinian tennis, and the surrounding countries, but a global impact??

Again, she was a great tennis player, but was she really one of the greats?? Are her accomplishments up to par with those already in the HOF?? She doesn't have the numerous GS's, she doesn't have the #1 ranking, she doesn't hold an important record, she didn't create tennis... what does she have that would include her into the HOF??

MistyGrey
Jul 11th, 2005, 05:09 AM
I hope Gaby gets in next year, coz after that it'll get tougher with Martina H and ASV getting in the picture.

Alize's#1fan
Jul 11th, 2005, 05:12 AM
Yea, maybe next year.

senorgato
Jul 11th, 2005, 06:19 AM
Nice post, but she did not have the career to back up a Hall of Fame entrance. If Seles and Graf weren't in her way, she'd probably have tons of slam, but, they WERE in her way, and only has ONE slam. I'm not refuting her great tennis skills and the great career she had, but should it really be included with the likes of those who have won over 10 GS's, those who actually became #1, and those who have contributed to tennis' numerous off-court accomplishments.

Yes, she has won two Slams [one singles, one doubles], reached #2 in the world, and I'm sure she has hosted a few tennis clinics for youth, but should she be included the other players already inducted into the HOF??

Should she be considered with Steffi Graf, a 20+ GS winner?? with Pam Shriver, one of the most accomplished double's player ever??

I mean, let's look at her impact. Was it great, sure, but did it really change the sport? I rarely ever hear any tennis great, sports commentator, or any tennis player even remark on Sabatini, but then, maybe that's due to just US bias, although I don't think so. I'm sure she's had a great impact on Argentinian tennis, and the surrounding countries, but a global impact??

Again, she was a great tennis player, but was she really one of the greats?? Are her accomplishments up to par with those already in the HOF?? She doesn't have the numerous GS's, she doesn't have the #1 ranking, she doesn't hold an important record, she didn't create tennis... what does she have that would include her into the HOF??

Gaby has a good, consistent record, 3 GS finals w/ 1 win, 4 Year-End Championship finals w/ 2 wins, numerous GS QF, SF showings, with most of her losses to Graf or Seles, and a few from Nav and Evert. Her Grand Slam records were fairly consistent across the board, not just at the French, or at Wimbledon, or the US Open, it was across the board. At the time of her retirement, she was very close to Steffi in overall matches won, and they both turned pro almost at the same time. If it wasn't for Gaby, there wouldn't be an Amelie or Justine today.
And you're wrong, commentators and tennis great, both current and former, mention her all the time. And tennis publications do the same.

Volcana
Jul 11th, 2005, 06:53 AM
I don't happen to think Sabatini's ON-court accomplishments are Hall-of-Fame worthy. But I believe the Hall of Fame specifically mentions 'on and off the activities'. Add those in, and she would seem a sure fire entrant.

South America doesn;t have the tennis clout of North America or Europe though.

So maybe a one word answer to your question is, politics.

Venus Forever
Jul 11th, 2005, 01:36 PM
Gaby has a good, consistent record, 3 GS finals w/ 1 win, 4 Year-End Championship finals w/ 2 wins, numerous GS QF, SF showings, with most of her losses to Graf or Seles, and a few from Nav and Evert. Her Grand Slam records were fairly consistent across the board, not just at the French, or at Wimbledon, or the US Open, it was across the board. At the time of her retirement, she was very close to Steffi in overall matches won, and they both turned pro almost at the same time. If it wasn't for Gaby, there wouldn't be an Amelie or Justine today.
And you're wrong, commentators and tennis great, both current and former, mention her all the time. And tennis publications do the same.
Who says she wasn't consistent?? She definitely was, but she doesn't have that one spectacular thing that many other tennis players haven't done.

Why should she be put in the same league as those who were actually able to take that extra step to win multiple GrandSlams?? or actually achieve that #1 ranking?? Afterall, they were even MORE consistent than Sabatini, as they were consistent in WINNING those Grandslams and achieving #1. She was consistent in NOT winning them, not to put her career down of course. But, compared to those in the Hall, she is just not at their level.

If there was a second tier of the HOF for those who are just below the greats, she would definitely be in, but to be considered with the absolute greats of the game, I don't agree.

switz
Jul 11th, 2005, 02:02 PM
the hall of fame's criteria are idiotic and i suspect very political.

surely the impact the player had on the game should also be included as one of the most important factors. this is surely why noah got in - as he made tennis cool in france and was loved around the world. sabitini was a better player than novotna IMO and she was a huge draw card as well.

ultimately who gives a shit about having a picture hanging in a room in rhode island.

Luis Gonzalez
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:03 AM
Hey Venus Forever, (I love typing that..Venus forever..:))

Here's 1 important record for you...... Gabriela Sabatini was the ONLY player to defeat Steffi Graf 5 times in a row..:) Steffi Graf had only 2 losses in 1988 BOTH coming to the hands of Gabriela Sabatini..;) Now thats important..hehe

Seriously, I hear you about her actual records/wins/accompishments court wise in comparison to "some" ( others are in earlier with less credentials)..., but again and it's a big one, she had a huge IMPACT on the game of womens tennis and there is some definition as to that being a factor into being inducted into the tennis HOF. Bud Collins isn't in the HOF cause he won a slam or 2 he wrote his way into it.
Hey at least we both know Venus and Serena are shoe-ins!..:)..

spencercarlos
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:01 AM
Who says she wasn't consistent?? She definitely was, but she doesn't have that one spectacular thing that many other tennis players haven't done.

Why should she be put in the same league as those who were actually able to take that extra step to win multiple GrandSlams?? or actually achieve that #1 ranking?? Afterall, they were even MORE consistent than Sabatini, as they were consistent in WINNING those Grandslams and achieving #1. She was consistent in NOT winning them, not to put her career down of course. But, compared to those in the Hall, she is just not at their level.

If there was a second tier of the HOF for those who are just below the greats, she would definitely be in, but to be considered with the absolute greats of the game, I don't agree.
Gaby also has.
11 wins over Graf (no one can say that)
4 Italian Open titles (Evert and Martinez are the ones who can claim that)
Has head to head records wins vs Arantxa, Davenport, Capriati, Martinez, Pierce, Novotna, Coetzer, Shriver ,Huber, Mary Joe, Garrison, Sukova among others and that is not something you can buy across the street.
But itīs ok most Venus fans donīt like Gaby for some reason.

Volcana
Jul 12th, 2005, 06:36 AM
Gaby also has. 11 wins over Graf (no one can say that)'Wins over Graf' sadly, is not one of the criteria for the Hal of Fame. And if you play her 40 times, it's a bit easier to accumulate 11 wins. Seles managed 5 wins in only 15 tries. Navratilova managed 9 wins in 18 tries. Rather better percentages.most Venus fans donīt like Gaby for some reason.Most Venus fans have no idea who Sabatini IS, nor did they see her play. I doubt most of the people who post here saw her.

The passion of Sabatini's supporters is admirable, if a bit wearing.

YOu want an objective reason why she isn't in the Hall of Fame?

Her GS record is incredibly ordinary! 27 tour victories is nothing to sneeze at, but a players GS record is THE most influential factor involved in making the Hall of Fame. Is there politics? Well Yannick Noah is in, so you tell me.

But on the strength of her GS record, Sabatini isn't close. Mary Pierce is likelier to get in, and not just cause she's French. 2 GS and 16 overall titles carries more weight than 1 GS and 27 tour titles.

Should it? Probably not. But DOES it?

Venus Forever
Jul 12th, 2005, 01:37 PM
Gaby also has.
11 wins over Graf (no one can say that)
4 Italian Open titles (Evert and Martinez are the ones who can claim that)
Has head to head records wins vs Arantxa, Davenport, Capriati, Martinez, Pierce, Novotna, Coetzer, Shriver ,Huber, Mary Joe, Garrison, Sukova among others and that is not something you can buy across the street.
But itīs ok most Venus fans donīt like Gaby for some reason.
True, but none of that is spectacular.

Just because someone was able to beat one of the greats many times should not be a reason to get into the HOF. Not to mention that the Italian Open, although a Tier I, is no too prestigious. Who will remember many of the winners of the Italian Open 20 years from now?

As for not liking Sabatini, I have no opinion on her at all. I certainly don't hate her, as I don't know her.

Venus Forever
Jul 12th, 2005, 01:39 PM
'Wins over Graf' sadly, is not one of the criteria for the Hal of Fame. And if you play her 40 times, it's a bit easier to accumulate 11 wins. Seles managed 5 wins in only 15 tries. Navratilova managed 9 wins in 18 tries. Rather better percentages.Most Venus fans have no idea who Sabatini IS, nor did they see her play. I doubt most of the people who post here saw her.

The passion of Sabatini's supporters is admirable, if a bit wearing.

YOu want an objective reason why she isn't in the Hall of Fame?

Her GS record is incredibly ordinary! 27 tour victories is nothing to sneeze at, but a players GS record is THE most influential factor involved in making the Hall of Fame. Is there politics? Well Yannick Noah is in, so you tell me.

But on the strength of her GS record, Sabatini isn't close. Mary Pierce is likelier to get in, and not just cause she's French. 2 GS and 16 overall titles carries more weight than 1 GS and 27 tour titles.

Should it? Probably not. But DOES it?
Very true.

And for the record, I don't believe Mary should get in either. :p

MLF
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:02 PM
For the record I do believe that Sabatini was a better player than both Novotna and Pierce, and that she was unfortunate to have wound up in the midst of two of the great eras of women's tennis i.e Navratilova / Evert and Graf / Seles.

Novotna matches Gaby in slam singles titles, surpasses her easily in grand slam doubles titles, plus had a peak rank of #2 compared to Gaby's peak of #3 - all facts which look better on paper.

I agree that Mary Pierce has probably more chance than Gaby of making the Hall due to her 2 slam singles titles, as well as 1 mixed slam title and a ladies doubles slam title.

I'm sure Sabatini isn't all that bothered really.

jfk
Jul 12th, 2005, 04:20 PM
'Wins over Graf' sadly, is not one of the criteria for the Hal of Fame. And if you play her 40 times, it's a bit easier to accumulate 11 wins. Seles managed 5 wins in only 15 tries. Navratilova managed 9 wins in 18 tries. Rather better percentages.Most Venus fans have no idea who Sabatini IS, nor did they see her play. I doubt most of the people who post here saw her.

The passion of Sabatini's supporters is admirable, if a bit wearing.

YOu want an objective reason why she isn't in the Hall of Fame?

Her GS record is incredibly ordinary! 27 tour victories is nothing to sneeze at, but a players GS record is THE most influential factor involved in making the Hall of Fame. Is there politics? Well Yannick Noah is in, so you tell me.

But on the strength of her GS record, Sabatini isn't close. Mary Pierce is likelier to get in, and not just cause she's French. 2 GS and 16 overall titles carries more weight than 1 GS and 27 tour titles.

Should it? Probably not. But DOES it?
Sorry, I'd have to disagree with you. Sabatini made the QF or better 26 times in her relatively short career (26 of 38 majors)! Mary Pierce, in contrast, has made the QF or better only 12 times in a much longer career than Sabatini's. Novotna made it 22 times in a longer career as well. Wins in GS are not the only thing the committee should look at....overall, Sabatini's consistency is rivalled by only a few recent players. It is often forgotten as well that Sabatini won two year ending championships, which is often regarded closely with the majors in many eyes.

Now, there are three valid reasons why Sabatini is undeserving. The first is that she only won 1 slam (which Pierce has avoided). The second is that she did not play doubles much (which Novotna has avoided). And lastly, she ended her career too soon. There are some that think had she played a few more years, it would have been at a substandard level and validated the opinion that she is not worthy of the HOF. On the other hand, she could have played a few more years and made that one last GS finals appearance that would have pushed her over the top.

When I look at the careers of players like Pierce, Novotna, Martinez, and Sabatini, the one that impresses me most is Sabatini's. She was very dominant for a long time when playing players outside of Graf, Seles, and Navratilova, three of the greatest of all time. She won so many titles and was always a factor at majors (though she slipped in her last year), unlike the other three. If I had to pick, I'd say Sabatini and Novotna (for her doubles prowess) deserve to get in. Pierce was way too inconsistent and Martinez pails in comparison to ASV and has tarnished her career in recent years.

samsung101
Jul 12th, 2005, 05:01 PM
Great topic.

I think the Hall of Fame should be reserved for all time
greats like Graf and Borg and Sampras and Ashe.

But, since the Hall let in Novatna with 1 Grand Slam singles and Noah with the same thing, it opened up the
door to letting in other 'one slam wonders'.

Based on Jana's induction, Sabatini should get a better
chance.

Only 1 singles Grand Slam, 1 doubles grand slam,
career top ten ranking, doubles titles (how many 10 or 20),
and juniors titles. Longevity counts too.

Also, her presence in the game had an impact with
the world.

Her sportsmanship too.

I don't think Jana or Noah should have gotten in at all
personally. But, since they did, I think Gaby and Chang
and others should get a much better look from the Hall
of Fame.

Kart
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:38 PM
But itīs ok most Venus fans donīt like Gaby for some reason.

I can think of one reason. Sabatini made some comments about power tennis not being good for the sport of tennis which lead to extensive criticism about her personally on this board. I would drag up the thread for you except it's a rather unpleasant memory for me.


The passion of Sabatini's supporters is admirable, if a bit wearing.


The same could be said for any fanbase. I find the counter defence for her not being in the hall of fame with certain others making it rather wearing myself ;). I couldn't agree with you more about the political aspect though.

samsung101
Jul 12th, 2005, 07:55 PM
Agassi made some comments about gays a while ago,
that won't keep him out of the Hall of Fame.

Becker, Williams Sisters (or their father), etc., have
all made odd or controversial statements at times.
Lots of players say silly or wrong things. Her comments
were not that smart, but she was not alone in thinking
that. It's nothing new is it? That big, powerful tennis
is not as much fun to see as serve and volley, or
the old days. Didn't Pete Sampras get that all the
time, his winning dull game was boring, too much
power serving.

That won't keep her out of the Hall of Fame.
Power tennis, McEnroe complains about that all
the time, size, wood rackets, muscles, drugs, etc.


She was also the one Monica mentioned as supporting
her #1 ranking, after she was stabbed.

That should count for something with tennis
historians.

I can see why a one slam wonder does not get in.
Multiple slams should be a requirement - in my
view.
But '''''''''''''
Doubles help.
Olympics help.
Top 10 helps.

But, if you can argue Jana or Noah deserve to get in,
then, Sabatini can make a real strong case for what
she did on the court, and off the court. That's the
point isn't it? If Jana and Noah get in with 1 Grand Slam
title, what's to keep others with only 1 Slam to be stronglly
considered, and Sabatini would be one of them.

manu32
Jul 12th, 2005, 08:21 PM
lobby???

spencercarlos
Jul 12th, 2005, 08:48 PM
'Wins over Graf' sadly, is not one of the criteria for the Hal of Fame. And if you play her 40 times, it's a bit easier to accumulate 11 wins. Seles managed 5 wins in only 15 tries. Navratilova managed 9 wins in 18 tries. Rather better percentages.Most Venus fans have no idea who Sabatini IS, nor did they see her play. I doubt most of the people who post here saw her.

The passion of Sabatini's supporters is admirable, if a bit wearing.

YOu want an objective reason why she isn't in the Hall of Fame?

Her GS record is incredibly ordinary! 27 tour victories is nothing to sneeze at, but a players GS record is THE most influential factor involved in making the Hall of Fame. Is there politics? Well Yannick Noah is in, so you tell me.

But on the strength of her GS record, Sabatini isn't close. Mary Pierce is likelier to get in, and not just cause she's French. 2 GS and 16 overall titles carries more weight than 1 GS and 27 tour titles.

Should it? Probably not. But DOES it?
Sure she was able to play Graf, that does not means she should win any of those.
Ask Mary Joe Fernandez, Tauziat, Huber, Novotna, Sukova how tough it was to beat Steffi despite playing her several times.
Gaby not only beat Graf many times. As i said she has also beaten Navratilova, Evert, Seles, several times, and has beaten Arantxa, Conchita, Jana, Capriati, Davenport, Pierce MANY TIMES.
So she was successful against truly soon to be Hall of Famers.
She was not as successful in winning grand slam events, SURE, but her record is very impressive consistent wise, as some other poster said 26 QF in grand slams out of 38 times and 18 semifinals of grand slams at least says a lot.
And she had the same sucess in grand slam doubles, despite not winning many grand slams she was SF in doubles many many times, when she actually played.
Won 27 titles which 1 is a slam 2 masters and 21 others are Tier I or II. Which is impressive. Tell me which other players with 1 or 2 GS titles have that many tournament wins and being most of them from Tier II to GS quality.
If Jana could, i think Gaby indeed will.
Not even mentioning how correct (example for many of todayīs players and sore losers) Gaby acted on a tennis court, win or lose pure class.