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tenn_ace
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:06 PM
:bounce: :worship:


"Russia didn't have a chance" :haha:

sartrista7
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:07 PM
:banana:

Ryan
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:08 PM
Well, Venus and Mashona need to sweep the next two matches to bring it to doubles. :tape: Venus should beat Elena, and Mashona will lose to Nastya.

jamatthews
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:08 PM
It should have been Jill and Angela leading the way... :angel: :p

Wiggly
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:08 PM
I dont' see Myskina losing to Washington in Fed Cup...

Sharapova's_Boy
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:08 PM
:woohoo:

tenn_ace
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:08 PM
It should have been Jill and Angela leading the way... :angel: :p


:lol:

Andrew..
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:09 PM
:bounce: :worship:


"Russia didn't have a chance" :haha:
Back when the team was Lindsay, Serena and Venus, it looked like they didn't.

I don't think anyone was saying that after Lindsay and Serena pulled out.

_LuCaS_
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Some pics from the 1st rubber
http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2081_gallery.JPG
http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2080_gallery.JPG
http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2082_gallery.JPG
http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2078_gallery.JPG
http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2074_gallery.JPG
http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2073_gallery.JPG

tenn_ace
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Back when the team was Lindsay, Serena and Venus, it looked like they didn't.

I don't think anyone was saying that after Lindsay and Serena pulled out.


Could you honestly say that Russia has the best team it could find? :wavey:

Andrew..
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:11 PM
Could you honestly say that Russia has the best team it could find? :wavey:
It is a hell of alot better that the US team.

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:11 PM
what a great day ;) :D :)
Lena :banana: ;) :yeah:
Nastya :kiss: :hug:
now lets wrap things up quick.

most of our best juniors would beat Washington/Craybas on red clay ;)

strength in depth is what you call it ;)

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:12 PM
Could you honestly say that Russia has the best team it could find? :wavey:


On clay, yes. On any other surfae, no.

Experimentee
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:13 PM
Most people actually didnt think USA had a chance with Mashona playing singles.

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:13 PM
Don't you just like it how the mood goes from " Venus will win two of her matches and everything will be decided in doubles" to "This is clay, Venus is tired, this is not important" :lol:

tenn_ace
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:13 PM
It is a hell of alot better that the US team.

no doubt about THAT! is there?

but seriously, USA has 3 very good players plus one is injured. Russia has a dozen good ones. They may not be as great as Americans (at least yet), but it's a hell of a lot better for FedCup to have a dozen good ones than 3 great ones.

tenn_ace
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:14 PM
On clay, yes. On any other surfae, no.

the tie is on clay which was known all along, so why post this waste?

bis2806
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:24 PM
Coz Lindsay didn't play, that's why Russia has taken advantage.

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:24 PM
the tie is on clay which was known all along, so why post this waste?


Because European players are better on clay than the Americans. On other surfaces, Americans are better.

It was known all along, but they only had a few days to go on playing one surface to playing on another.

BTW, you are the waste, not anything I have posted.

jamatthews
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:26 PM
Coz Lindsay didn't play, that's why Russia has taken advantage.

The red clay expert... :lol:

Ryan
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:29 PM
The red clay expert... :lol:


Exactly! An injured, exhausted, mentally deflated Lindsay playing on red clay in Moscow against Russians. Yeah, Lindsay would have whooped ass...

sartrista7
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Coz Lindsay didn't play, that's why Russia has taken advantage.

Please check a) the winner of the match the last time Elena played Lindsay on red clay, and b) the winner of the match the last two times Nastya played Lindsay.

Volcana
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:33 PM
I'm surprised it's 2-0, not 1-1, but Myskina is an RG champ, so it's not a shock she won. BUt Venus is an RG finalist and and quite accomplished on clay as well. (She's actually won more tournaments than Myskina on red clay.) So, what can one do except hope for a miracle. Well, why waste a miracle on a tennis match. I just hope we pull it out.

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:36 PM
I'm surprised it's 2-0, not 1-1, but Myskina is an RG champ

Oh really? I thought she is Roland Garros fluke who ... wait .. did she beat Venus there too? :lol:

Volcana
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:39 PM
Oh really? I thought she is Roland Garros fluke Why did you think that?

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:40 PM
Why did you think that?

I've read it here many times? Did they lie?

Volcana
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:44 PM
I've read it here many times? Did they lie?People write a lot of ridiculous things here. At some point, you've gotta just read past that stuff. For me, that point was along about 1999.

jacky90104
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:45 PM
Go Nastya :) :) :)

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:48 PM
Don't you just like it how the mood goes from " Venus will win two of her matches and everything will be decided in doubles" to "This is clay, Venus is tired, this is not important" :lol:

Kinda like the mood went from "venus will never win another slam and she is finished as a top player" to "..............":lol:

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:49 PM
Oh really? I thought she is Roland Garros fluke who ... wait .. did she beat Venus there too? :lol:


But didn't she become the first reigning RG champion to lose in the first round of RG this year? That and the fact that she has not come close to winning any of the other GS is why some people (including myself) believe she will never win another GS.

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:54 PM
From Myskina's interview..

"We had an advantage of playing at home and being able to start preparing earlier than Americans"

"I myself know how difficult it is to play after winning a Slam"

"Venus was emotionally not at her best"

"Our coaches helped me a lot by supporting me and giving good advices during the match"

( I wish we had coaching also allowed in singles tournaments.. Our girls would have been winning even more.. :lol: )

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:55 PM
But didn't she become the first reigning RG champion to lose in the first round of RG this year?

As if you don't know the circumstances of that. Why didn't Serena defend at AO-2004?

10nisfanofruz
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:58 PM
Some pics from the 1st rubber
http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2081_gallery.JPG

:)
It's nice to see that.

Volcana
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:58 PM
( I wish we had coaching also allowed in singles tournaments.. Our girls would have been winning even more.. :lol: )Well, they might. But would you really want coaching in regular tournaments. Most players can't afford a traveling coach. Seems to me that just gives even more of an advantage to the top hundred or so players over the rest of the tour.

Besides, tennis is one of the few sports where you're truly all alone in competition. May the better mind win.

lindsayno1
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:59 PM
but seriously, USA has 3 very good players plus one is injured. Russia has a dozen good ones. They may not be as great as Americans (at least yet), but it's a hell of a lot better for FedCup to have a dozen good ones than 3 great ones.

serena plus lindsay BOTH injured = 2

RenaSlam.
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:00 PM
Whatev. :rolleyes:

Volcana
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:02 PM
serena plus lindsay BOTH injured = 2Yeah but Davenport really isn't as good as most of the elite Russians on clay.

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:04 PM
As if you don't know the circumstances of that. Why didn't Serena defend at AO-2004?


Because she was still recovering from knee sugery and had to good sense to stay home when she knew she wouldn't be able to defend her crown.

morningglory
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:13 PM
It's on clay, huh? well that explains it... Venus isn't as good on clay as she is on grass, and Nastya has recently been 'resurrected', although she's an undead vampire, just joking :) No, seriously. I was happy to see her start to turn back to her old self again

Vamos Feńa
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:24 PM
:)
It's nice to see that.
Yep but Shamil looks like if he was comin' from a funeral :tape: :rolleyes:

lindsayno1
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:25 PM
Yeah but Davenport really isn't as good as most of the elite Russians on clay.


no but they are both injured....

morningglory
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:29 PM
Good job. Myskina and Dementieva make a great team :)

goldenlox
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:36 PM
It's too bad Lindsay and Serena weren't healthy. On this surface, it would have been interesting.
I hope the Tier I Kremlin Cup is played on this surface.

Mathijs
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:56 PM
Russia :woohoo:


Congrats to Lena and Nastya on their wins today, hopefully they'll finish it tomorrow :D

Hantuchov
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:06 PM
Wow! :eek: :yeah:

Nastya ;) :hug:
Alyona :hearts: :D Nice comeback in the 1st set! :smooch:

Plz Alyona, go and beat Vee tomorrow! :bounce:

Vamos Feńa
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:12 PM
I hope the Tier I Kremlin Cup is played on this surface.
Doubt it ;)
It'll probably be held on carpet like everytime ;)

goldenlox
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:20 PM
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Anastasia Myskina stunned Wimbledon champion Venus Williams on Saturday as Russia blasted into a 2-0 lead in their Fed Cup semi-final against the United States in the Olympic Stadium.

Myskina recovered from a sticky start on the indoor clay court to secure a 5-7 6-4 6-2 victory and inflict only a second career Fed Cup defeat on Venus.

Elena Dementieva then clawed back a 1-5 deficit in the first set against debutant Mashona Washington to win 7-5 6-4 and put the defending champions firmly on course for a first victory over the 17-times champions and a final against France or Spain.

Russia's world number five won six games in a row to claim the first set and then raced ahead into a 5-2 lead in the second before Washington staged a late rally.

She finally secured victory on her first match point when the 52nd-ranked American hit a backhand wide after one hour and 32 minutes.

Washington was only playing in place of world number one Lindsay Davenport after she pulled out with a back injury sustained during last week's Wimbledon defeat by Venus.

Myskina, who reached the quarter-finals at Wimbledon, lost the opening set of the day when Venus got lucky with a net cord that dribbled over on set point in the 12th game.

Cheered on by the home crowd, and an enthusiastic former Russia president Boris Yeltsin, she saved three break points in the second game of the second set before a key break in the seventh game proved enough to level up the match.

The 2004 French Open champion dominated the decider as she moved Venus all over the court with her some fierce baseline hitting.

She broke the 25-year-old American's serve twice more to clinch victory after one hour and 50 minutes and leave the visitors facing a huge task in Sunday's return singles.

Knizzle
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:25 PM
Ys talking again after a long silence, he was all up Venus' ass after she disposed of Maria, now back to talking shit. Lovely. Just proves he doesn't really know Venus.

Brooks.
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:26 PM
Don't you just like it how the mood goes from " Venus will win two of her matches and everything will be decided in doubles" to "This is clay, Venus is tired, this is not important" :lol:

honestly......it always sucks when your favorite player loses a match but i mean come on........fed cup barely gets mentioned in the press and this is being played on red clay a week from wimbledon........if myskina was going to beat venus after her wimbledon win this was going to be the time......i hope for myskina's sake that they dont meet at a summer hardcourt tournament :tape: :devil:

goldenlox
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:29 PM
I hope they do meet. That means Anastasia is going deep into the draw.

_LuCaS_
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:32 PM
honestly......it always sucks when your favorite player loses a match but i mean come on........fed cup barely gets mentioned in the press and this is being played on red clay a week from wimbledon........if myskina was going to beat venus after her wimbledon win this was going to be the time......i hope for myskina's sake that they dont meet at a summer hardcourt tournament :tape: :devil:
meeting Venus on a hardcourt tourney is Nastya's major concern :lol:
Anyway they'll probably meet in a final (Stockholm) soon enough ;) :scared:

tenn_ace
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:42 PM
Because she was still recovering from knee sugery and had to good sense to stay home when she knew she wouldn't be able to defend her crown.


blah-blah-blah... just do all us a favor: dissapear already from this thread. :lol:

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:43 PM
One thing that I would question is Zina's selection.. It was obvious - that Mashona is not accomplished clay player at all, and no matter what, she is no chance. And still she plays Mashona, even when having a player on the team who comes from the biggest victory of her career, leads Dementieva in head-2-head and on clay on top of that.. I just don't understand. Her choice is illogical, unless it is caused by maybe some her special ties with MaliVai or something else.

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:16 PM
blah-blah-blah... just do all us a favor: dissapear already from this thread. :lol:


I wish you would just disappear.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:17 PM
One thing that I would question is Zina's selection.. It was obvious - that Mashona is not accomplished clay player at all, and no matter what, she is no chance. And still she plays Mashona, even when having a player on the team who comes from the biggest victory of her career, leads Dementieva in head-2-head and on clay on top of that.. I just don't understand. Her choice is illogical, unless it is caused by maybe some her special ties with MaliVai or something else.

And to think you were just criticizing my grammar :haha:

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:38 PM
And to think you were just criticizing my grammar :haha:

I was not.

goldenlox
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:42 PM
http://www.september11news.com/Nov14BushPutinTruck.jpg

Top Ten Thoughts Going Through Vladimir Putin's Mind At This Moment


10. "That's it--turn the wheel left and the car goes left."

9. "He's getting the steering wheel sticky with taffy."

8. "How can an adult get his necktie tangled around the gear shift?"

7. "I regret not making that 15-minute call to Geico."

6. "Floor it, you dumb hillbilly!" :lol: :bounce:

5. "At this point, would it be more dangerous to jump out or stay in?"

4. "This baby gets so much as a scratch, I'm launchin' the nukes."

3. "I'd be better off letting Billy Joel drive this thing."

2. "Not often you hear a grown man saying, 'Vroom! Vroom!'"

1. "Why is his hand in my lap?"
:lol: :lol:

Mightymirza
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:43 PM
honestly......it always sucks when your favorite player loses a match but i mean come on........fed cup barely gets mentioned in the press and this is being played on red clay a week from wimbledon........if myskina was going to beat venus after her wimbledon win this was going to be the time......i hope for myskina's sake that they dont meet at a summer hardcourt tournament :tape: :devil:
Blah Blah really.I am sure Nasty can beat Venus on hardcourts.Lena has defeated Venus on hard courts.So I think stop being sore losers.Nasty is a real figter and she can down venus on any surface other than grass maybe..

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:45 PM
I am really sympathetic with Venus's situation here.. I am sure the last thing she wanted this week is playing on clay in Russia. I can't imagine Sharapova playing a Fed Cup a week after beating Serena last year, or Myskina - a week after winning her maiden French Open. Mind you, Sharapova could not really play two months after that, and Nastya - for nearly as long. I don't understand where are other American singles players? Where is Raymond? Where is Shaughnessy? It was clear to me 10 days ago that Lindsay is not going. Why could not Zina asked her right then? Why didn't Lindsay withdraw right after W final?

It was just a bad setup for Venus. I am sure, every player who'd won a Slam would be willing to take time off, rest, and then come back having that winning streak alive and that aura of invincibility still there, and Venus was robbed of that. And now.. Now it is even tougher.. There is no way US can win it from now.. It's a lost cause. I am sure Venus is not happy about an idea of her being very tired, mentally and physically and having to go and play very tough match tomorrow against motivated Dementieva tomorrow - having - herself - really nothing to fight for. Because it is a lost cause. But can she say it to Zina? I doubt it..

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:48 PM
I am really sympathetic with Venus's situation here.. I am sure the last thing she wanted this week is playing on clay in Russia. I can't imagine Sharapova playing a Fed Cup a week after beating Serena last year, or Myskina - a week after winning her maiden French Open. Mind you, Sharapova could not really play two months after that, and Nastya - for nearly as long. I don't understand where are other American singles players? Where is Raymond? Where is Shaughnessy? It was clear to me 10 days ago that Lindsay is not going. Why could not Zina asked her right then? Why didn't Lindsay withdraw right after W final?

It was just a bad setup for Venus. I am sure, every player who'd won a Slam would be willing to take time off, rest, and then come back having that winning streak alive and that aura of invincibility still there, and Venus was robbed of that. And now.. Now it is even tougher.. There is no way US can win it from now.. It's a lost cause. I am sure Venus is not happy about an idea of her being very tired, mentally and physically and having to go and play very tough match tomorrow against motivated Dementieva tomorrow - having - herself - really nothing to fight for. Because it is a lost cause. But can she say it to Zina? I doubt it..

You're so weird.

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:28 PM
Because European players are better on clay than the Americans. On other surfaces, Americans are better.

How many Australian Opens were won by US players in last 15 years? 4. 5 if we count Seles 1996, which we should not. 11 were won by players born in Europe.

How many Wimbledons were won by US players in last 15 years? 6. 9 were won by players born in Europe.

How many US Opens were won by US players in last 15 years? 5. 9 were won by European players.

How many YEC were won by US players in last 15 years? 2. 12 were won by European players. So, on which surface are Americans better?

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:30 PM
How many Australian Opens were won by US players in last 15 years? 4. 5 if we count Seles 1996, which we should not. 11 were won by players born in Europe.

How many Wimbledons were won by US players in last 15 years? 6. 9 were won by players born in Europe.

How many US Opens were won by US players in last 15 years? 5. 9 were won by European players.

How many YEC were won by US players in last 15 years? 2. 12 were won by European players. So, on which surface are Americans better?

Okay...how dumb are your comparisons. ONE country versus 100s of others...not to mention Martin Hingis who won 3 out of 6 Austalian Open finals.

Americans are best on hardcourts, we grow up on them. I myself being from southern California have never even SEEN a claycourt let alone play on one.

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:31 PM
Okay...how dumb are your comparisons. ONE country versus 100s of others...not to mention Martin Hingis who won 3 out of 6 Austalian Open finals.

Was it me who compared first? I just replied. :)

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:32 PM
Was it me who compared first? I just replied. :)

You have to consider the ratios of your comparisons. I shouldn't except any higher though, you are ys and all. :rolleyes:

Volcana
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:50 PM
Just put Bob Larson's 'look forward' together with the thread about what makes a good hardcourt player. Then I thought about it.

Indoor clay

The Americans original intention was to roll in there with three Wimbledon champs, none of whom has clay as a best surface. Both teams had an RG champ. Both teams had an RG finalist. Of course, the Americans lose more in terms of the nuetralization of their power, but Elena D loses too. Call that even.

But indoors was a very good choice for the Russians. Part of where Lindsay, Venus and Serena all excel is in adapting to bad bounces and changing conditions better than their opponents. That's one reason why they all ARE Wimbledon champs. So playing indoors removes a strength from the US team, even if it doesn't assist the Russian team any.

But hey! That's why you want to be able to choose the surface.

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 08:07 PM
How many Australian Opens were won by US players in last 15 years? 4. 5 if we count Seles 1996, which we should not. 11 were won by players born in Europe.

How many Wimbledons were won by US players in last 15 years? 6. 9 were won by players born in Europe.

How many US Opens were won by US players in last 15 years? 5. 9 were won by European players.

How many YEC were won by US players in last 15 years? 2. 12 were won by European players. So, on which surface are Americans better?


All of this might be true, but how many of those active European plalyers have more GS titles than Venus, Serena, Linday or Jennifer? Just one and her name is Justine Henin-Hardenne.

I see through your shit because I find it odd that you would compare active players with retired ones; I was just dealing with active players.

F-R-E-A-K
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:05 AM
Goooo Russia!!!!! :bigclap: :hug: :bounce:

2-0 :hearts: :worship: :D