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@m@nd@
Jul 9th, 2005, 11:59 AM
:woohoo:
well done nastya :yeah:

Lemonskin.
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:00 PM
Interesting.

Knizzle
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:00 PM
Congrats Myskina!!

Nice try Venus!! :yeah:

Munich
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:00 PM
Nastya :yeah:

Lemonskin.
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:00 PM
What surface was it on?

:Rawwb:
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:01 PM
Good job Anastasia :D

Wiggly
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:01 PM
:) I think that was the BIG match of this Tie, now thye have to betas Mashona Wasghinton 2 times... :bounce:

E. Blackadder
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:01 PM
What surface was it on?

clay

:Rawwb:
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:01 PM
What surface was it on?
claycourt

kaki
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:01 PM
I think from now,the task will be very difficult for the USA

@m@nd@
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:01 PM
glad to see nastya playing well again after all the stuff she has been through

CoolDude7
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:01 PM
Great Nastya! Venus.. be careful not to overdue it

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:01 PM
Nastya :banana: :D :)
well done :hug:

saw signs of life in Nastya at Wimbledon :) she's coming back ;) :)

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:02 PM
The tie is pretty much over.

charmedRic
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Interesting.

Very.

henree
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Myskina is not to be f*cked with when it comes to her patriotism of her country. If only she can transfer the determination and desire to the grand slam events. :drool:

_LuCaS_
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:02 PM
All those breaks :eek:
Glad it's finally over :banana: :yeah:

xr6turbo
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:03 PM
Oh well Vee.. You must be buggered from Wimby last week, get some rest so you can be ready for the US Hardcourt season :D

~Cherry*Blossom~
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:03 PM
Congrats Myskina!

Dementinator
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:03 PM
Well done Nastya!!!

Lemonskin.
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:03 PM
Well this would pretty well wrap up the tie I guess.

CoolDude7
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:03 PM
Oh well Vee.. You must be buggered from Wimby last week, get some rest so you can be ready for the US Hardcourt season :D

Yeah. I am worried she is trying to overdue it. nite nite

Timariot
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:04 PM
Obviously this result proves that so-called "Williams/Belgian domination" was a fluke and order is restored as soon as Russians get their act together... :)

Drimal
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:04 PM
:woohoo: Good performance from Anastasia! :bigclap:



Now go Elena! :yippee:

Spunky83
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:05 PM
Good to see her playing on such a level again!

Big hug!!!

sartrista7
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:05 PM
Nastya! :hearts:

Coming back to life at last...a great win over the Wimbledon champion :yeah:

Russia should cruise from here, this was the toughest match for them to win.

xr6turbo
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:05 PM
Obviously this result proves that so-called "Williams/Belgian domination" was a fluke and order is restored as soon as Russians get their act together... :)
:tape:

Sharapova's_Boy
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:06 PM
Well done Nastya. :D :D :D

Knizzle
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:06 PM
Nastya! :hearts:

Coming back to life at last...a great win over the Wimbledon champion :yeah:

Russia should cruise from here, this was the toughest match for them to win.

Well the toughest should be ED beating Venus, but seems like Venus may be tired with the way she faded and her serve dropped off in this match.

kj-
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:06 PM
:eek: wow... USA only have a little chance to win IMHO..

Staticbeef
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:09 PM
:sad: :sad: Vee :wavey: Ok, my Queen, this aint over. good luck on your upcoming matches. Go Mashona and good luck to the entire team. :bounce:

sartrista7
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:09 PM
Well the toughest should be ED beating Venus, but seems like Venus may be tired with the way she faded and her serve dropped off in this match.

Elena has a better record over Venus than Nastya, and I wasn't sure whether Nastya's slump was really over...

Smarty-UK
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:10 PM
Great win for Myskina! Seems her form really must be coming back to her.

Venus fans will be dissappointed that she wasnt able to continue a winning streak after Wimbledon but it was always going to be tough playing on clay. I wonder if the loss suggests that Wimbledon may be a one-off victory for Venus and now things will return to normal again? Bit early to say....

xr6turbo
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:11 PM
Great win for Myskina! Seems her form really must be coming back to her.

Venus fans will be dissappointed that she wasnt able to continue a winning streak after Wimbledon but it was always going to be tough playing on clay. I wonder if the loss suggests that Wimbledon may be a one-off victory for Venus and now things will return to normal again? Bit early to say....
:rolleyes: You wish.

alibaby
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:12 PM
nice birthday-present,nasty-baby!! :kiss: :hearts:

akosijepoy
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:12 PM
awesome natasya!!! rest Venus! it's clay...it's not ur best surface....be careful not be ingjured.

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:13 PM
In a way, this is good for the tournaments too.. Venus could have gotten on a roll after that Wimbledon title. Now Nastya puts her off boil. That's a good confidence blow. Venus of Wimbledon form on hardcourts would have been a very little chance for everyone else.. Now.. Venus will be back struggling in two weeks time.

Paco
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:15 PM
Well done Nastya

xr6turbo
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:16 PM
In a way, this is good for the tournaments too.. Venus could have gotten on a roll after that Wimbledon title. Now Nastya puts her off boil. That's a good confidence blow. Venus of Wimbledon form on hardcourts would have been a very little chance for everyone else.. Now.. Venus will be back struggling in two weeks time.
Im more inclined to think that Venus will remember her great play at Wimbledon and draw confidence and motivation from that, rather than some Fedcup match on clay when she was tired and sore. :)

Nemesis
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:16 PM
Nastya :eek: she really loves her country, doesn't she?

Venus, oh well. this loss shouldn't damage her confidence. it's already great that she still decided to still play Fed Cup, after her Wimbledon win ... do your best against Elena & head on to your beloved Californian HC season :)

Andy.
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:17 PM
Venus is still getting over her Wimbledon win. But any how well done Nastya

villa
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:23 PM
Not surprised really. Myskina is probably the worst opponent venus could face on a clay court. She's happy to just run and get every ball back and force errors out of her opponent and never show an ounce of agression. Don't think theirs another top 10 player who plays like that.

volta
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:26 PM
gratz Nastya :yeah:

Vee well done but dont worry its clay so no prob :yeah:

Tennisaddict
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:30 PM
In a way, this is good for the tournaments too.. Venus could have gotten on a roll after that Wimbledon title. Now Nastya puts her off boil. That's a good confidence blow. Venus of Wimbledon form on hardcourts would have been a very little chance for everyone else.. Now.. Venus will be back struggling in two weeks time.

That's what you hope for no doubt, but this loss won't affect Venus that way. This loss is a bit similar to Nadal's loss at Wimby in the second round. He was drained and was playing on his worst surface after an amazing FO win, now he's back in Bastad dominating the likes of Ferrero and Robredo, Venus knows this loss is partly because of her fitness, change from her best surface to clay and no adequate rest. She will be a major force at the upcoming hardcourt season if she stays healthy because her confidence finally came back to her at Wimby. A Fed Cup loss won't erase that so keep wishing :rolleyes:.

Myskina went out in the quarters at Wimby but still needed three sets to overcome Venus. It's good to see her winning again though.

Congrats Myskina, and take care of yourself Venus, I'd rather see you lose all the Fed Cup matches then getting injured again, we need you fresh and healthy at the hard court season :kiss:.

Martian Willow
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:34 PM
:D

Paneru
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:37 PM
Congrats Anastasia! :cool:

Nice try Venus.
Now get some rest
for tommorrow. :kiss:


And I wouldn't simply assume it's
over just because Venus didn't win
the 1st match. ;)

crazillo
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:38 PM
I think it's not really surprising to see Myskina winning here. But this win means that Russia won the tie if you ask me.

_LuCaS_
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:39 PM
I think it's not really surprising to see Myskina winning here. But this win means that Russia won the tie if you ask me.
Let's not get over excited, let's see how the 2nd rubber goes

Prizeidiot
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:48 PM
I thought Anastasia was screwed when she lost that 5-3 lead in the first set, you know, maybe Venus had taken some time to adapt to the court, and was starting to run hot. But good on her.

Regardless of their form on tour, her and Elena are demons when playing Fed Cup. Now let's hope that Elena furthers this argument for me.

Oh, and good effort Venus. It's tough adapting to clay from grass.

lloyders76
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:52 PM
mashona HAS to win one of her ties and venus HAS to beat elena for them to just get the chance of a live final rubber, so yeah, tie is virtually decided

mykarma
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:54 PM
Great win for Myskina! Seems her form really must be coming back to her.

Venus fans will be dissappointed that she wasnt able to continue a winning streak after Wimbledon but it was always going to be tough playing on clay. I wonder if the loss suggests that Wimbledon may be a one-off victory for Venus and now things will return to normal again? Bit early to say....
I'm not dissapointed at all. If this was the U.S. Open I'd be :bigcry:

esqumaux
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:54 PM
Venus wtf??? :tape::p

mykarma
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:55 PM
In a way, this is good for the tournaments too.. Venus could have gotten on a roll after that Wimbledon title. Now Nastya puts her off boil. That's a good confidence blow. Venus of Wimbledon form on hardcourts would have been a very little chance for everyone else.. Now.. Venus will be back struggling in two weeks time.
:lol:

Sportfan
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:01 PM
Congrats Myskina and good effort Venus. Good luck in the next mtach.

TomTennis
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:04 PM
to be honest i dont think loss will faze Venus.

Im gutted for her, but for me her Wimby victory is still fabulous, and a loss on clay straight after playing grass isnt gonna do anything for her. I just want her to get some rest now.

Justine Fan
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:06 PM
Great win for Myskina! Seems her form really must be coming back to her.

Venus fans will be dissappointed that she wasnt able to continue a winning streak after Wimbledon but it was always going to be tough playing on clay. I wonder if the loss suggests that Wimbledon may be a one-off victory for Venus and now things will return to normal again? Bit early to say....

Agreed. Was the Wimbledon win a one-off? Seems like it.

cellophane
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:09 PM
Has anyone actually seen this match?

GoSandrine
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:12 PM
Critical loss :sad: :(

Damn injuries! :mad: :tape:

Lapin
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:14 PM
I'm happy for Anastasia , it was great to see her getting her confidence back at Wimbledon :) , but Venus is probably tired.

Experimentee
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:17 PM
Come on, just because Venus loses her first match after Wimbledon to Myskina in Fed Cup she wont continue her good form? Sounds like wishful thinking to me. Fed Cup has never been that important to Venus and it was clay. Its hard for anyone to play again straight after such an emotional victory.

rightous
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:27 PM
Myskina really gives it her all for Russia

tenn_ace
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:31 PM
Im more inclined to think that Venus will remember her great play at Wimbledon and draw confidence and motivation from that, rather than some Fedcup match on clay when she was tired and sore. :)


why would she be tired and sore? :rolleyes: Wimbledon was done a week ago. This is more than enough time to recover.

well done Nastya! :kiss:

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:33 PM
Great win for Myskina! Seems her form really must be coming back to her.

Venus fans will be dissappointed that she wasnt able to continue a winning streak after Wimbledon but it was always going to be tough playing on clay. I wonder if the loss suggests that Wimbledon may be a one-off victory for Venus and now things will return to normal again? Bit early to say....


I highly doubt it. I am not disappointed; in fact, I expected it.

Going from winning the biggest Grand Slam to losing a match that doesn't even count in her H2H doesn't mean anything to me. The US was at a disadvantage when Lindsay dropped out, so if the US loses this, it isn't surprising. What I am more concered about is that Venus and the rest of the US players do well druing the hardcourt season.

lucashg
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:34 PM
I'm a bit surprised, but not that much. Myskina had a great Wimbledon for the year she's had so far, so it's to be expected she's feeling more confident now, especially playing Fed Cup, in Russia and on clay against Venus. I think that'll do even more for her confidence.

I think too that the tie's been decided. Good try, Venus! I hope she can at least win a match.

xr6turbo
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:35 PM
why would she be tired and sore? :rolleyes: Wimbledon was done a week ago. This is more than enough time to recover.

well done Nastya! :kiss:
Of course, you would know because you speak to Venus all the time...

"I am at Fed Cup now in Moscow, no time for rest and relaxation, although I do need it. Im tired and I am starting to get aches and pains from no rest."

http://www.venuswilliams.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=198021

polishprodigy
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:38 PM
I guess Anastasia is on the rebound!

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:38 PM
That's what you hope for no doubt, but this loss won't affect Venus that way. This loss is a bit similar to Nadal's loss at Wimby in the second round. He was drained and was playing on his worst surface after an amazing FO win, now he's back in Bastad dominating the likes of Ferrero and Robredo, Venus knows this loss is partly because of her fitness, change from her best surface to clay and no adequate rest. She will be a major force at the upcoming hardcourt season if she stays healthy because her confidence finally came back to her at Wimby. A Fed Cup loss won't erase that so keep wishing :rolleyes:.

Myskina went out in the quarters at Wimby but still needed three sets to overcome Venus. It's good to see her winning again though.

Congrats Myskina, and take care of yourself Venus, I'd rather see you lose all the Fed Cup matches then getting injured again, we need you fresh and healthy at the hard court season :kiss:.


:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Most of these people know in the back of their minds that the Russians have one more shot at a Grand Slam and their chance of winning it are not that great, considering the Americans and Belgians are much better hardcourt players, which is why one of them is going to win the USO Series and/or the USO crown.

tenn_ace
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:38 PM
Of course, you would know because you speak to Venus all the time...

"I am at Fed Cup now in Moscow, no time for rest and relaxation, although I do need it. Im tired and I am starting to get aches and pains from no rest."

http://www.venuswilliams.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=198021


strange is the only word to describe this statement.

xr6turbo
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:41 PM
strange is the only word to describe this statement.
Strange is the only word to describe you :p :wavey:

The Pro
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:42 PM
I'd imagine Lindsay Davenport has just vomited everywhere upon hearing this result...

backhanddtl4
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:42 PM
Looks like Venus is back....if you know what I mean!

sartrista7
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:43 PM
:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Most of these people know in the back of their minds that the Russians have one more shot at a Grand Slam and their chance of winning it are not that great, considering the Americans and Belgians are much better hardcourt players, which is why one of them is going to win the USO Series and/or the USO crown.

I remember people saying this last year, too.

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:44 PM
Strange is the only word to describe you :p :wavey:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

tenn_ace
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:44 PM
Strange is the only word to describe you :p :wavey:

In that case, idiot is the best one for you. :p:wavey:

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:46 PM
I remember people saying this last year, too.


And thar was last year. This is 2005. Americans have won two GS, Belgium has one, plus they have the two Super Tier I hardcourt titles. Do you see Russia on this list?

Didn't think so.

Slumpsova
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:49 PM
Natsya is back ! :eek:

GoSandrine
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:52 PM
So much love in this thread :)

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:55 PM
I highly doubt it. I am not disappointed; in fact, I expected it.

Going from winning the biggest Grand Slam to losing a match that doesn't even count in her H2H doesn't mean anything to me. The US was at a disadvantage when Lindsay dropped out, so if the US loses this, it isn't surprising. What I am more concered about is that Venus and the rest of the US players do well druing the hardcourt season.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
of course it counts in H2H.

.ivy.
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:56 PM
Great job Nastya! Now finish the job Lena!

Ellery
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:56 PM
Anastasia :hearts: :D

Venus :sad:

Kart
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:00 PM
Great win for Anastasia :hearts:.

This win is all about her and hopefully will be great for her confidence :D.

As for Venus, I doubt she'll be too put off losing to a former French open champion on clay ;).

Any suggestion that she didn't care about losing this match or that it doesn't count is ludicrous though.

CoolDude7
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:02 PM
Same thing happened to Hen.. she had the french.. AND WENT OUT FIRST found AT WIMBLEDON...She was tired mentally, and physically. But this lose is even less important thaan that being that it is not a slam, and it wont count on Venus's record. She was simply fullfilling her obligation.

raquel
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:04 PM
I said in Venus's forum last night that I thought this could happen. Even though Venus is coming off the Wimbledon win and Nastya's been slumping this year (showing signs of her old self at Wimbledon though), I thought this would be a tough match especially on clay in Russia. Looks like it would have been a exciting first two sets to watch. As I type this Elena is serving for match against Mashona so it's not looking good for USA but congrats to Nastya. I saw all her matches at Wimbledon and it's nice to see her back to having confidence and being a force again.

Ryan
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Same thing happened to Hen.. she had the french.. AND WENT OUT FIRST found AT WIMBLEDON...She was tired mentally, and physically. But this lose is even less important thaan that being that it is not a slam, and it wont count on Venus's record. She was simply fullfilling her obligation.


It still counts in her H2H with Nastya, so don't act like this match has zero significance. I'm positive Venus gave her all, along with Myskina. Venus probably is tired from Wimbledon, but if she was THAT tired she should have withdrawn.

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:10 PM
It still counts in her H2H with Nastya, so don't act like this match has zero significance. I'm positive Venus gave her all, along with Myskina. Venus probably is tired from Wimbledon, but if she was THAT tired she should have withdrawn.


And who was Zina going to replace her with?

Venus wasn't deal tired; that is why she is still there. And she wasn't blown away in straight sets; it took three. In addition, her next tournament is Stanford, which is two weeks from Monday, so she will have time to rest.

BTW, if you look at the WTA tour website, Fed Cup matchs are not counted in H2H.

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:13 PM
BTW, if you look at the WTA tour website, Fed Cup matchs are not counted in H2H.

WTA is not the governing body
ITF is :p

Ryan
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:13 PM
And who was Zina going to replace her with?

Venus wasn't deal tired; that is why she is still there. And she wasn't blown away in straight sets; it took three. In addition, her next tournament is Stanford, which is two weeks from Monday, so she will have time to rest.

BTW, if you look at the WTA tour website, Fed Cup matchs are not counted in H2H.


Jill could have replaced her. Obivously it would have been giving away the tie, but if she was dead tired and played, too bad.

michelle11
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:13 PM
you americans are a bit ridiculous.
poor venus was so tired... but stood not one minute longer on court in wimbledon than nastya
and fed cup is not important... otherwise she would have won easily 6-0 6-0
and it doesn't count for H/H ... otherwise 6-0 6-0 two times

i guess it needs only some more postings of you and america is leading 2-0 ...

Ryan
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:13 PM
WTA is not the governing body
ITF is :p


Thank you. :p

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:16 PM
WTA is not the governing body
ITF is :p


Then it would show in Venus' H2H on the WTA webstie when it is updated on Monday, but I won't hold my breath.

I'm just glad that Venus' Wimbledon victories will count. BTW, I think Wimbledon is run by the ITF.

Ryan
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:17 PM
Then it would show in Venus' H2H on the WTA webstie when it is updated on Monday, but I won't hold my breath.

I'm just glad that Venus' Wimbledon victories will count. BTW, I think Wimbledon is run by the ITF.



So? Were you worried that come monday Venus' Wimbledon wins wouldn't be there, you'd wake up and find it was all a dream? :tape:

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:19 PM
you americans are a bit ridiculous.
poor venus was so tired... but stood not one minute longer on court in wimbledon than nastya
and fed cup is not important... otherwise she would have won easily 6-0 6-0
and it doesn't count for H/H ... otherwise 6-0 6-0 two times

i guess it needs only some more postings of you and america is leading 2-0 ...


In GS singles titles this year, yes.

In Fed Cup, no.

I'll take the GS titles anytime.

The one thing I am sick of hearing is how now Venus isn't a good player now that she has lost to Myskina. Last time I checked, Venus is the reignning Wimbeldon champion and is ranked higher than Myskina.

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:20 PM
So? Were you worried that come monday Venus' Wimbledon wins wouldn't be there, you'd wake up and find it was all a dream? :tape:


Of course not.

It is probably more of a nightmare to Maria and Lindsay mroe than anything.

goldenlox
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:20 PM
Venus deserves tremendous respect for being a part of this tie.
She just won her first major since 2001.
She didn't even go home to celebrate.
Anastasia played well at Wimbledon. Red clay is her best surface.

Task
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:21 PM
Anastasia :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Big win for the birthday girl :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

CoolDude7
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:26 PM
Of course not.

It is probably more of a nightmare to Maria and Lindsay mroe than anything.

Lol. Chris let them be happy for Mykina, and act as if she beat a 100% healthy Venus,(the one at wimbledon). She was not sore at all, or mentally tired. She was lying when she said she was sore and tired, and not had a chance to rest. Gotta love Vee :wavey:

Ryan
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:27 PM
Of course not.

It is probably more of a nightmare to Maria and Lindsay mroe than anything.


I'd have to agree there. :lol:

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:29 PM
Lol. Chris let them be happy for Mykina, and act as if she beat a 100% healthy Venus,(the one at wimbledon). She was not sore at all, or mentally tired. She was lying when she said she was sore and tired, and not had a chance to rest. Gotta love Vee :wavey:


I amdit that it looks like they are going to win, so I will let this have this to celebrate for a couple of weeks before the North American hardcourt season starts because I know Venus will be better rested and focused on winning in Stanford.

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:30 PM
I'd have to agree there. :lol:


See, we can be agree on something.:)

Ryan
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:33 PM
See, we can be agree on something.:)


Sweet, but I knew that Maria and Lindsay would have some soul searching to do after those losses. However, I think they will rebound nicely. Lindsay will have an OK USO warmup, maybe one or two titles. Maria will perform better than last season, get a Tier 2 and possibly a Tier 1.


I think this years Hardcourt summer season is really going to be fun, with LOTS of strong contenders for the titles. (Lindsay, Maria, Kim, Justine, Venus, Serena, Amelie)

vwfan
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:33 PM
When I saw Venus' note to her fans, I was worried. It takes a lot mentally and physically to recover from a Grand Slam victory, particularly changing surfaces a la Nadal and Justine, who prior to Wimbledon were looking like the players to beat and Justine was even a favorite from Wimbledon. Venus' win at Wimbledon included beating the #2 and #1 players in the world after a tough year back to form and having lost to both on multiple occasions since being back. She has got to be mentally drained, never mind toughing out the longest slam final in history.

Congrats to Myskina, but the odds were in her favor!

Dana Marcy
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:33 PM
Lol. Chris let them be happy for Mykina, and act as if she beat a 100% healthy Venus,(the one at wimbledon). She was not sore at all, or mentally tired. She was lying when she said she was sore and tired, and not had a chance to rest. Gotta love Vee :wavey:

Well Myskina is no slouch and could've beaten a rested Venus, so let's make that clear. Actually I'm glad she lost because now the pressure of a win streak is taken off Venus. She will be scrutinized (even more so) between now and the US Open so at least she won't have to be worry about "when will I lose again". My fingers are crossed that Venus is REALLY back! Love you Venus! :hug:

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:34 PM
Congrats to Myskina, but the odds were in her favor!

Today - sure, but strangely, not yesterday, from what I've read from many Williams fans.

vwfan
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:39 PM
Today - sure, but strangely, not yesterday, from what I've read from many Williams fans.

Well not me, since that was my first post.

I am expecting great things from Venus, but I think all the players will be playing to win and to contend for the last slam of the year. Venus is back in contention and already has one of the three, so it's all good with me.

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:42 PM
Sweet, but I knew that Maria and Lindsay would have some soul searching to do after those losses. However, I think they will rebound nicely. Lindsay will have an OK USO warmup, maybe one or two titles. Maria will perform better than last season, get a Tier 2 and possibly a Tier 1.


I think this years Hardcourt summer season is really going to be fun, with LOTS of strong contenders for the titles. (Lindsay, Maria, Kim, Justine, Venus, Serena, Amelie)


As long as Lindsay's injury isn't serious (and I don't think it is), she should do very well. Maria has to do well to prove to people that she is a contender on the North American hardcourts. Remember, she lost 6-0, 6-0 to Lindsay in IW and 7-5, 6-4 (I think that was the final score) to Kim in Miami. Plus, Venus exposed weaknesses in her game, which will not help her this summer unless she works on them.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:45 PM
Of course, you would know because you speak to Venus all the time...

"I am at Fed Cup now in Moscow, no time for rest and relaxation, although I do need it. Im tired and I am starting to get aches and pains from no rest."

http://www.venuswilliams.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=198021


:tape:

Great win for Myskina though.

Nice try Venus! At least you had the patriotism to show up.

Haute
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:45 PM
Congrats to Anastasia on what's a long overdue win for her. :) I wish it could have been over someone other than Venus :p, but she needs this win for her confidence.

And it's disgusting how so many people are eagerly waiting to write Venus off again after Wimbledon. Nevermind that she was playing on clay and in front of the Russian crowds, Venus is done for because she lost in three sets to a former Roland Garros champ. :rolleyes:

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:46 PM
Well Myskina is no slouch and could've beaten a rested Venus, so let's make that clear. Actually I'm glad she lost because now the pressure of a win streak is taken off Venus. She will be scrutinized (even more so) between now and the US Open so at least she won't have to be worry about "when will I lose again". My fingers are crossed that Venus is REALLY back! Love you Venus! :hug:

Fed cup matches dont count. Its like playing an exhibition. The results dont matter to your wta record.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:47 PM
Venus will be alright. She lost early at a hardcourt tournament after winning Wimbledon in 2001 and STILL went on a winning streak after that. Venus just needs rest.

Ryan
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:47 PM
As long as Lindsay's injury isn't serious (and I don't think it is), she should do very well. Maria has to do well to prove to people that she is a contender on the North American hardcourts. Remember, she lost 6-0, 6-0 to Lindsay in IW and 7-5, 6-4 (I think that was the final score) to Kim in Miami. Plus, Venus exposed weaknesses in her game, which will not help her this summer unless she works on them.


Very true. But, Maria is "only 18" ;) and I think she will rebound quickly. She did lose to Lindsay and Kim at IW and Miami, but she made the Sf and F of those tourney's great results anyway. She should be a consistant threat throughout the summer season, but I doubt she will dominate.

VRee_Willario
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:51 PM
Well, I guess it's quite tough to win with almost 60 Unforced errors and on your worst surface and when you're quite tired.
But, win your next match Venus!! :D :worship:

Williams Rulez
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:55 PM
Agreed. Was the Wimbledon win a one-off? Seems like it.u might as well use this logic and say tt justine's FO is one off.. :rolleyes:

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:59 PM
u might as well use this logic and say tt justine's FO is one off.. :rolleyes:

That's nonsense. Justine won quite a bit before RG this year. Venus won nothing before Wimbledon. From what I saw of Venus play, she was in equally good form in April 2004, then suddenly it was all gone.. Most likely Venus will play more consistent now, but you never know.

Derek.
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:00 PM
Good job Nastya! :yeah: She must be beaming with confidence now! :smooch:

Netsurfer
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:03 PM
AWESOME! Yay for Nastya! That's my girl. :smoke: :woohoo: :bounce:

**Netsurfer

RenaSlam.
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:03 PM
It's a lot to ask for Venus to come back a week after winning the Big W and try to focus for Fed Cup.

Credit to her for showing up.

miffedmax
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:12 PM
Great win for Myskina! Seems her form really must be coming back to her.

Venus fans will be dissappointed that she wasnt able to continue a winning streak after Wimbledon but it was always going to be tough playing on clay. I wonder if the loss suggests that Wimbledon may be a one-off victory for Venus and now things will return to normal again? Bit early to say....

Two top 10, GS winners play a three set match and you're going to write one of them off?

There's no shame in losing to an in-form Myskina on clay in three sets in front of a home crowd. I know I'm a little biased because these are two of my faves, but why are people so eager to write off both these women? They are both great players.

up!
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:20 PM
well done myskina! glad you could beat her again!

Paneru
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:26 PM
http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2086_gallery.JPG

:cool:

Bright Red
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:29 PM
Last time I checked, this was Team Tennis. Shouldn't the title be "Russia def. U.S"? :shrug: At any rate, congrats Russia.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:29 PM
http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2086_gallery.JPG

:cool:

Are they giving gifts to each other?

Paneru
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Last time I checked, this was Team Tennis. Shouldn't the title be "Russia def. U.S"? :shrug: At any rate, congrats Russia.

;) :angel:

VRee_Willario
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:36 PM
http://www.fedcup.com/shared/medialibrary/image/gallery/FC_2086_gallery.JPG

:cool:
:worship: :hearts:

AlexB
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:40 PM
just finished watching the match (i may love nastya but i dont love her enough to get up at 6am eastern on a saturday to watch her :lol: ) it was 2004 anastasia: emotional, passionate and energetic, running around to try to get to everyball and striking the ball prerry well..of course the patches of streakiness were also included with the way too many unforced error, but all and all a great win to continue the positive wimbledon momentum....it was a good solid win

hablo
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:43 PM
fantastic Nastya. simply fantastic. :worship:

prooving the doubters once again why you belong in the top 10 :D

Helen Lawson
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:53 PM
Are they giving gifts to each other?

It looks like Venus is giving her a cutlery set!

Geisha
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:59 PM
I simply do not understand the people that are saying that Venus' Wimbledon win was "one-off". I mean, the girl has won four Grand Slam titles prior to that win. She played, quite possibly, her four or five best matches this year at Wimbledon and to go from there to a claycourt in Russia, against last year's French Open champion, is not an easy feat.

sunset
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:03 PM
It's perfectly natural to have a let down after a big win but All credit to Myskina for a great match. :worship:

Knizzle
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:07 PM
Elena has a better record over Venus than Nastya, and I wasn't sure whether Nastya's slump was really over...

Elena doesn't have any record OVER Venus she trails in the head to head with two victories 7-6 in the third.

Knizzle
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:08 PM
In a way, this is good for the tournaments too.. Venus could have gotten on a roll after that Wimbledon title. Now Nastya puts her off boil. That's a good confidence blow. Venus of Wimbledon form on hardcourts would have been a very little chance for everyone else.. Now.. Venus will be back struggling in two weeks time.

Think that if you want. :lol:

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:08 PM
Elena doesn't have any record OVER Venus she trails in the head to head with two victories 7-6 in the third.

Did anyone ever tell you that the score in tennis does not matter? There is a winner and there is a loser. That's all that matters. :)

Knizzle
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:14 PM
Did anyone ever tell you that the score in tennis does not matter? There is a winner and there is a loser. That's all that matters. :)

And Venus leads the H2H 3-2.

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:14 PM
And Venus leads the H2H 3-2.

Sure. It will stay like that for another 20 hours.

Knizzle
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:15 PM
``She played too well today,'' Williams said. ``I tried my best today. I think, normally, I bring a little bit more energy into the match. It was just a tough day.''

In the first set, a net cord ball decided the set for Williams. In the second game of the second set, Myskina came back from love-40 to hold serve. Williams then had two double-faults in the fifth game, but fought back four break points before returning long to lose serve. The American broke back immediately to even the set but was broken again in the seventh game.

Myskina served to even the match. The Russian jumped ahead 3-1 in the third set and saved a break point while serving for the match.

``I felt slightly nervous in the opening set -- I was playing against the Wimbledon champion,'' Myskina said. ``But I knew it was emotionally tough for her to play at full strength after winning a Grand Slam title.''

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:15 PM
Did anyone ever tell you that the score in tennis does not matter? There is a winner and there is a loser. That's all that matters. :)

7-6, 6-1!!!!

Knizzle
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:16 PM
Sure. It will stay like that for another 20 hours.

And that WIMBLEDON title that none of your Russian favorites were good enough to win will stay in the history books forever.

xr6turbo
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:18 PM
``She played too well today,'' Williams said. ``I tried my best today. I think, normally, I bring a little bit more energy into the match. It was just a tough day.''

In the first set, a net cord ball decided the set for Williams. In the second game of the second set, Myskina came back from love-40 to hold serve. Williams then had two double-faults in the fifth game, but fought back four break points before returning long to lose serve. The American broke back immediately to even the set but was broken again in the seventh game.

Myskina served to even the match. The Russian jumped ahead 3-1 in the third set and saved a break point while serving for the match.

``I felt slightly nervous in the opening set -- I was playing against the Wimbledon champion,'' Myskina said. ``But I knew it was emotionally tough for her to play at full strength after winning a Grand Slam title.''
:yeah:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:20 PM
``She played too well today,'' Williams said. ``I tried my best today. I think, normally, I bring a little bit more energy into the match. It was just a tough day.''

In the first set, a net cord ball decided the set for Williams. In the second game of the second set, Myskina came back from love-40 to hold serve. Williams then had two double-faults in the fifth game, but fought back four break points before returning long to lose serve. The American broke back immediately to even the set but was broken again in the seventh game.

Myskina served to even the match. The Russian jumped ahead 3-1 in the third set and saved a break point while serving for the match.

``I felt slightly nervous in the opening set -- I was playing against the Wimbledon champion,'' Myskina said. ``But I knew it was emotionally tough for her to play at full strength after winning a Grand Slam title.''

Interesting how Venus gives credit to her opponent, but no one mentions it. If she says "I beat myself" then EVERYONE suddenly notices.

_LuCaS_
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:25 PM
``She played too well today,'' Williams said. ``I tried my best today. I think, normally, I bring a little bit more energy into the match.
:yeah:

It was just a tough day.''

=against a tough opponent, on a tough surface, in front of a tough crowd ;)

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:35 PM
:yeah:

=against a tough opponent, on a tough surface, in front of a tough crowd ;)

Have you seen it? From what I understand, there was no crowd to spak of.. Most of Muscovites try to spend their summer weekends at their countryhouses. On top of that they scheduled one of the biggest football matches of the season for exactly same time.. :retard:

VRee_Willario
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:36 PM
Have you seen it? From what I understand, there was no crowd to spak of.. Most of Muscovites try to spend the weekend at their countryhouses. On top of that they scheduled one of the biggest football matches of the season for exactly same time.. :retard:
President Yeltsin is already tough enough! ;)

SelesFan70
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:37 PM
This is not a surprising result. And Mashona...up 5-1 serving for the 1st set against Dementieva... :tape:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:38 PM
This is not a surprising result. And Mashona...up 5-1 serving for the 1st set against Dementieva... :tape:

Seriously, how sad is that?

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:39 PM
This is not a surprising result. And Mashona...up 5-1 serving for the 1st set against Dementieva... :tape:

As Lena said - she was so happy for Nastya, that she barely noticed as she went to 0:4.. :lol:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:41 PM
As Lena said - she was so happy for Nastya, that she barely noticed as she went to 0:4.. :lol:

Where is a healthy Serena when you need her. She would've crushed both in straight sets even on clay. Come back Serena...you are the #1 Russian slayer.

_LuCaS_
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:43 PM
Where is a healthy Serena when you need her. She would've crushed both in straight sets even on clay. Come back Serena...you are the #1 Russian slayer.
Stirring the pot huh? :lol: :wavey:

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:45 PM
Where is a healthy Serena when you need her.

Having a meal somewhere. Need to maintain her weight..:D

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:47 PM
Having a meal somewhere. Need to maintain her weight..:D

Good for you and your Russians then. Because you KNOW she ownz them.

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:48 PM
Good for you and your Russians then. Because you KNOW she ownz them.

Wrong tense.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:50 PM
Wrong tense.

This is English class? I forgot my book, class dismissed.

SJW
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:58 PM
LOL. a Fed Cup thread with 150+ replies.
i didnt know you guys liked it so much :D

michelle11
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:01 PM
Where is a healthy Serena when you need her. She would've crushed both in straight sets even on clay. Come back Serena...you are the #1 Russian slayer.



not to mention if Chris Evert was 20 years younger...

Vamos Feńa
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:02 PM
Elena doesn't have any record OVER Venus she trails in the head to head with two victories 7-6 in the third.
Lena def. Venus in Hongkong (January) 6/3 6/2 ;)
Brawo Nastya :D :D :worship: :worship: :bounce: :banana:

pcrtennis
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:04 PM
Oh Venus must be exhausted, most players qwould have pulled out of Fed Cup after winning a Grand Slam in that fashion, at least she's out there! GO VENUS!

If anyone tries to put down Venus and her comeback because of this is just stupid and ignorant...

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:04 PM
Lena def. Venus in Hongkong (January) 6/3 6/2 ;)
Brawo Nastya :D :D :worship: :worship: :bounce: :banana:

Oops....Was that an exhibition? I believe it was.

goldenlox
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:06 PM
not to mention if Chris Evert was 20 years younger...:lol: ;)

jean_genie
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:07 PM
Congrats Nastya:)
Better Luck Next time Venus:hearts: Rest up and get ready for summer season:cool:

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:07 PM
And that WIMBLEDON title that none of your Russian favorites were good enough to win will stay in the history books forever.


Great point for which he/she had no answer.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:07 PM
Great point for which he/she had no answer.

Yup

Mightymirza
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:32 PM
Where is a healthy Serena when you need her. She would've crushed both in straight sets even on clay. Come back Serena...you are the #1 Russian slayer.
Well that is typical loser mentality.I mean in wimby she was serving worse than Myskina 2nd serve in 3rd round match.She might hav owned every1 2 yrs back but now every1 have emerged.Anyways the fact is Russia leads US 2 0 and full credit to russian team.I mean they wernt at best as well both lena and nasty r having health probs as well.

Vamos Feńa
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:35 PM
Oops....Was that an exhibition? I believe it was.
Yep it was an exhibition ;)
Lena def. Masha also out there :devil:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:40 PM
Well that is typical loser mentality.I mean in wimby she was serving worse than Myskina 2nd serve in 3rd round match.She might hav owned every1 2 yrs back but now every1 have emerged.Anyways the fact is Russia leads US 2 0 and full credit to russian team.I mean they wernt at best as well both lena and nasty r having health probs as well.

Ummmmm...she was injured, and it doesn't matter if everyone has emerged because she's still a top 1 or 2 player when at her best. Zip the lip.

StarDuvallGrant
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:41 PM
5 pages? Well congrats on the wins for Russia today. If Venus had to lose I don't mind it being here :lol: Anyway, good luck to the US with the upcoming matches.

LeRoy.
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:48 PM
Wow Congrats Nastya !

Paneru
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:51 PM
If only Nastya & Venus' fans could be as cool
about things as they both are.

Nice words from both in
a hard fought match.

Mightymirza
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:55 PM
Ummmmm...she was injured, and it doesn't matter if everyone has emerged because she's still a top 1 or 2 player when at her best. Zip the lip.
Well so what if shes top whatever player every1 is beatable evn at their best.Besides I am sure carelessness must hav cost serena more than her injury.I am sure she wudnt hav participated had she known shes that injured.It was more of over confidence.And if a plyer does hav it how can you say she can beat a certain person even when shes injured.So no point in just saying that had she been at her best coz shes definately not and I doubt if she can as she hasnt shown it for a long time for now.So time to zip the lip buddy.

UDiTY
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:07 PM
Nice win Nastya! Hope it does something for you confidence!:yeah:

Don't worry Vee, clay season is over...good try!

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:09 PM
Well so what if shes top whatever player every1 is beatable evn at their best.Besides I am sure carelessness must hav cost serena more than her injury.

You act like you know nothing about tennis. Serena suffered an ankle injury back in April at Amelia Island and has not been able to train the way she usually does.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:27 PM
Better to lose in Fed Cup than at a Major.

Shvedbarilescu
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:35 PM
Congradulations Nastya. Great win. Understandable loss for Venus. Nastya is tough at home at Venus is better on fast surfaces. I love Nastya but I like Venus too and I certainly don't see losing to Nastya in these circumstances as an indication that Venus won't have a very successful summer in the US events. I'm looking forward to Venus overtaking Serena in the rankings. It might not be that long. As for Nastya this win gives me alot of optimism that Nastya too will have a successful time during the US hardcourt season. Oh and it is good to see them both showing each other such respect.

treufreund
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Better to lose in Fed Cup than at a Major.


To a point I agree with you, but many citizens in many countries would interpret this attitude (which is prevalent among American posters) as very self-centered. Winning for yourself is more important than winning for your whole country?:confused:

I think that for fans of Anastasia a win in Fed Cup might often mean MORE than at a Grand Slam. Anastasia was a 1000x happier when winning Fed Cup last year than when she won Roland Garros. I am also reminded of the utter glee that Londoners felt a few days ago when being awarded the Olympic games whereas most Americans I know say things like "oh God, I hope we don't the Olympics because traffic will be a nightmare" :rolleyes:

lizchris
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:52 PM
Well so what if shes top whatever player every1 is beatable evn at their best.Besides I am sure carelessness must hav cost serena more than her injury.I am sure she wudnt hav participated had she known shes that injured.It was more of over confidence.And if a plyer does hav it how can you say she can beat a certain person even when shes injured.So no point in just saying that had she been at her best coz shes definately not and I doubt if she can as she hasnt shown it for a long time for now.So time to zip the lip buddy.


Australian Open 2005 Ladies Champion:

Serena Williams


That was six month ago.:rolleyes:

La Reine
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:55 PM
The negativity on this thread is stupendous. One loss does not ruin a player's career. It does not mean their recent slam win was a fluke. In fact, the player who can brush off loses is better than the one that takes them too seriously. I think and hope Venus recovers soon...she obviously needed some rest that she didn't take.

Justine Fan
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:08 PM
Same thing happened to Hen.. she had the french.. AND WENT OUT FIRST found AT WIMBLEDON...She was tired mentally, and physically. But this lose is even less important thaan that being that it is not a slam, and it wont count on Venus's record. She was simply fullfilling her obligation.

Bit of a difference CoolDude. Hen (as you say) played 4 tournaments on the trot and won ALL OF THEM, plus Hen still was recouperating from a Virus, plus Hen had just come back from illness and wasn't 100% fit, plus they were all on clay which is a much tougher game, plus Hen had no practice on grass whatsoever, plus Hen sometimes played 2 matches in a day, plus Hen had that 3 hour match with Kuzzy. Oh dear - that's why Hen didn't do well at Wimbledon, firstly she didn't get any practice on grass and also, as you can see, she was exhausted :rolleyes: !!!

So there is a difference, Venus had practice on clays (FO), Venus never played tournament after tournament (which she won) and Venus shouldn't be that exhuasted because she never did as much as Hen!! She played a Grand Slam which is over 2 weeks with a day's rest in the middle (sometimes 2 days due to the weather). Justine's matches were every day and as I said previously, sometimes 2 a day.

So tell me, how can you compare? Please explain.... I don't understand what you are saying? :confused:

Paneru
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:17 PM
Some of you peeps need to
get a damn grip!

All this bitching and
for what???

Goodness! :yawn:

Justine Fan
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:17 PM
u might as well use this logic and say tt justine's FO is one off.. :rolleyes:

That's a bit of a stupid and strange comment isn't it?

It's her 2nd FO Grand Slam and she's won all the clay court tournaments this year and she only came back in March.

So I don't really understand what you are saying? :confused:

How can it be a one-off? Please explain :confused: :confused:

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:23 PM
To a point I agree with you, but many citizens in many countries would interpret this attitude (which is prevalent among American posters) as very self-centered. Winning for yourself is more important than winning for your whole country?:confused:

I think that for fans of Anastasia a win in Fed Cup might often mean MORE than at a Grand Slam. Anastasia was a 1000x happier when winning Fed Cup last year than when she won Roland Garros. I am also reminded of the utter glee that Londoners felt a few days ago when being awarded the Olympic games whereas most Americans I know say things like "oh God, I hope we don't the Olympics because traffic will be a nightmare" :rolleyes:

Which is why players who win Fed Cup matches are ushered into the hall of fame and remembered as all time greats.

Sorry but winning slams is far more important than any Fed cup match and I am almost 100% sure any player would tell you they would rather win slams than fed cup matches.

Yes, Fed Cup is important but in tennis these matches arent even counted in The H 2 H. So how imporant are they really? To me Fed Cup is like an exhibition match.

deckham
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:35 PM
i think fed cup is just as important as grand slams..... it's basically like an olympics each year for tennis. it's just too bad that most countries don't take it as serious as others.... u.s. for example, they could care less, which i think is a horrible attitude. russia is very patriotic in that sense and you can tell in each player when they play. some do it for money, some don't ....... go nastya! :drink:

Louis Cyphre
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:36 PM
Nastya you lil bitch :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: I`m so happy for you :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

laharbor
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:38 PM
Congrats to Myskina. Venus will be back. Good competition!

JenFan75
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:38 PM
Nastya! :bounce: ^_^

deja_entendu
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:40 PM
Venus fans sure do give credit :tape:

Definitely the sorest losers out there :rolleyes: 5 pages of crying Venus fans, what a nightmare, sometimes you hope she wins her matches just so you won't have to hear the endless whining and complaining and excuses and rationalization.

But anyway, congrats Nastya :hearts:, your record against Venus is getting better and better :bounce:, and it seems like you've gotten out of that nasty little slump (well, I can hope!). Now go create some upsets during hard court season!

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:40 PM
i think fed cup is just as important as grand slams..... it's basically like an olympics each year for tennis. it's just too bad that most countries don't take it as serious as others.... u.s. for example, they could care less, which i think is a horrible attitude. russia is very patriotic in that sense and you can tell in each player when they play. some do it for money, some don't ....... go nastya! :drink:

You honestly think fed cup is just as important as slams? So if myksina never wins another slam but fins fed cup each year for her country then you will think she has had a great career and lived up to and exceeded her potential?

Sure you would.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:46 PM
Venus fans sure do give credit :tape:

Definitely the sorest losers out there :rolleyes: 5 pages of crying Venus fans, what a nightmare, sometimes you hope she wins her matches just so you won't have to hear the endless whining and complaining and excuses and rationalization.

But anyway, congrats Nastya :hearts:, your record against Venus is getting better and better :bounce:, and it seems like you've gotten out of that nasty little slump (well, I can hope!). Now go create some upsets during hard court season!

Maybe you should read the thread. Funny how you overlook the many congrats to myskina.:tape: Your post makes no sense. Then you totally ignore the swipes at venus that others make.

Oh also just to remind you Fed Cup matches do not factor into Head to Heads.

Black Mamba.
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:54 PM
I expected this loss, but as long as Vee can escape without injuries I think it's great that she wanted to represent the USA.

treufreund
Jul 9th, 2005, 08:07 PM
Which is why players who win Fed Cup matches are ushered into the hall of fame and remembered as all time greats.

Sorry but winning slams is far more important than any Fed cup match and I am almost 100% sure any player would tell you they would rather win slams than fed cup matches.

Yes, Fed Cup is important but in tennis these matches arent even counted in The H 2 H. So how imporant are they really? To me Fed Cup is like an exhibition match.

you missed the point completely. what i am saying is that for YOU it may not be important but for ANASTASIA and many players from other countries the Fed Cup and Davis Cup brings out the very best in them and shows their true potential as tennis players. It really begs the question as to who really are the best players and the world and whether there is very little difference between a Hewitt and a guga or a Hewitt and Escude or a venus and Dementieva or a justine and myskina when they are both on their games and inspired. People always want to downplay their fave's losses but in many ways a win in Davis or Fed Cup can show us just how there really is no difference in the potential greatness of players.

This kind of win and previous win by Dementieva for example show just how great they can be when they are playing with all their heart. I think these wins are very revealing.

You totally sidestepped the issue of why Fed Cup and playing for your country is seemingly disregarded by Americans and yet means so much to players from other countries. It's sad IMO. :sad: And the attitude that winning at a Grand Slam is more important is SIMPLY AN OPINION but it's not one shared by everyone by any means. (I do agree that I tend to place more emphasis on the Grand Slams but I would never call this like an exhibition. To do so, is to insult Anastasia and to some extent even Venus who took the trouble to show up!)

treufreund
Jul 9th, 2005, 08:10 PM
i think fed cup is just as important as grand slams..... it's basically like an olympics each year for tennis. it's just too bad that most countries don't take it as serious as others.... u.s. for example, they could care less, which i think is a horrible attitude. russia is very patriotic in that sense and you can tell in each player when they play. some do it for money, some don't ....... go nastya! :drink:

u.s does not even seem to want to host the olympics and when it was here in Salt Lake city and during the games in Athens many U.S. citizens said that "the Olympics are so gay" :rolleyes: I am embarrassed by this ethnocentric attitude we often display in sports that are not "all about the USA" same attitude about World cup soccer/football, the French Open to some extent too. :fiery:

VRee_Willario
Jul 9th, 2005, 08:19 PM
Venus fans sure do give credit :tape:

Definitely the sorest losers out there :rolleyes: 5 pages of crying Venus fans, what a nightmare, sometimes you hope she wins her matches just so you won't have to hear the endless whining and complaining and excuses and rationalization.

But anyway, congrats Nastya :hearts:, your record against Venus is getting better and better :bounce:, and it seems like you've gotten out of that nasty little slump (well, I can hope!). Now go create some upsets during hard court season!
I couldn't care less if Venus loses some tiny fed cup match on her worst surface after she has won Wimbledon ;)
It's just that Venus made 60 UFE and you can't win like that.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 08:23 PM
Venus Williams is the Wimbledon Champion!!!

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 9th, 2005, 08:36 PM
you missed the point completely. what i am saying is that for YOU it may not be important but for ANASTASIA and many players from other countries the Fed Cup and Davis Cup brings out the very best in them and shows their true potential as tennis players. It really begs the question as to who really are the best players and the world and whether there is very little difference between a Hewitt and a guga or a Hewitt and Escude or a venus and Dementieva or a justine and myskina when they are both on their games and inspired. People always want to downplay their fave's losses but in many ways a win in Davis or Fed Cup can show us just how there really is no difference in the potential greatness of players.

This kind of win and previous win by Dementieva for example show just how great they can be when they are playing with all their heart. I think these wins are very revealing.

You totally sidestepped the issue of why Fed Cup and playing for your country is seemingly disregarded by Americans and yet means so much to players from other countries. It's sad IMO. :sad: And the attitude that winning at a Grand Slam is more important is SIMPLY AN OPINION but it's not one shared by everyone by any means. (I do agree that I tend to place more emphasis on the Grand Slams but I would never call this like an exhibition. To do so, is to insult Anastasia and to some extent even Venus who took the trouble to show up!)

How can you say that when winning grand slams is the standard for judging the greatness of players? Yes there are other measurements such as weeks at number one and year end number one and doubles titles and singles titles and such but NEVER have I heard that so and so is great because they won a fed cup match. NEVER.

Also there are plenty of americans who love fed cup and plenty of non americans who could care less.

Also it is no insult to tell the truth. The simple truth is that anatasica would have rather won her match at wimbledon than a fed cup match. Now I might be wrong but wouldnt you think that was true? Would she rather have the fed up title or a wimbledon slam under her belt? Which one do you think she would rather have?

Also on the regular tour arent they playing for their country every single match on tour? Why else do they list players by their country of origin? Every match is a match between countries if taken that way. I'm sure both venus and myskina wanted to win. However, a match in a tier 3 tournament is not as important as a match in a tier 1 tournament. And a match in Fed Cup is not a grand slam match.

Thats my point.

Oh and to reiterate: Playing for your country during fed cup is exactly the same as playing on the regular tour otherwise they wouldnt bother to list where each player was from and who they decided to play for.

Tennis is international without fed cup. Players are already competing against other players from other countries: the belgian brigade, The russian revolution, the american dominance, the chinese onslaught, and so on and so on.

So Fed Cup really is irrelevant in my mind. Now if the NBA had something like Fed Cup then that would make sense since the NBA is not international. the same goes for the NFL.

irishgirl
Jul 9th, 2005, 10:23 PM
Well done Myskina!!!!!!

davidmario
Jul 9th, 2005, 10:31 PM
beat dementieva tomorrow, venus!

Seyz
Jul 9th, 2005, 10:34 PM
Even though I'm a hardcore Venus Williams fan, I'm not stupid enough to write off Myskina. (even though Elena is another story, I really don't think she'll ever win a grand slam). Myskina has shown that she is definitely a top 10 player and I think she'll have better results than Sharapova in the long run. Venus losing to Myskina in 3 doesn't mean that Venus isn't playing well, since she is losing to an excellent player.

However, I do think Venus is a better player than Myskina though. (even though I think Myskina is better than Sharapova, Kuznetzova and Elena). History dictates that Venus is just unbeatable when she's playing her best tennis. And granted she's not going to play her best tennis EVERY single match. Even Federer doesn't have a 100% winning record.

Mon.
Jul 9th, 2005, 10:41 PM
Great job Myskina:yeah:

Zippy
Jul 9th, 2005, 11:54 PM
Where is a healthy Serena when you need her. She would've crushed both in straight sets even on clay. Come back Serena...you are the #1 Russian slayer.
Sorry Babe, actually Kim holds that title :p
One thing that's pretty amazing is that no other Russian besides Myskina has more than 1 win against her in their career :yeah:
*straight from the WTA website*

BIG NAMES (or more "known players")
MYSKINA, ANASTASIA (RUS) H2H 6-3 (1 loss was an inj. ret. in Leipzig 2003)
DEMENTIEVA, ELENA (RUS) H2H 7-1
KOURNIKOVA, ANNA (RUS) H2H 4-1
KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA (RUS) H2H 4-1
SHARAPOVA, MARIA (RUS) H2H 3-0
SAFINA, DINARA (RUS) H2H 3-0
LIKHOVTSEVA, ELENA (RUS) H2H 3-1
ZVONAREVA, VERA (RUS) H2H 1-0
BOVINA, ELENA (RUS) H2H 2-1


OTHER NAMES (Russians)
JIDKOVA, ALINA (RUS) H2H 1-0
CHAKVETADZE, ANNA (RUS) H2H 1-0
KIRILENKO, MARIA (RUS) H2H 1-0
LINETSKAYA, EVGENIA (RUS) H2H 1-0
PANOVA, TATIANA (RUS) H2H 2-0
KRASNOROUTSKAYA, LINA (RUS) H2H 0-1 (the only losing record ;))

F-R-E-A-K
Jul 9th, 2005, 11:59 PM
GOOOOOOOOOO RUSSIA!!!!! :hearts: :kiss: :drool: :lick:



:bounce: Welldone Nastya!!! :hearts: :D

Martian KC
Jul 10th, 2005, 12:14 AM
Sorry Babe, actually Kim holds that title :p
One thing that's pretty amazing is that no other Russian besides Myskina has more than 1 win against her in their career :yeah:
*straight from the WTA website*

BIG NAMES (or more "known players")
MYSKINA, ANASTASIA (RUS) H2H 6-3 (1 loss was an inj. ret. in Leipzig 2003)
DEMENTIEVA, ELENA (RUS) H2H 7-1
KOURNIKOVA, ANNA (RUS) H2H 4-1
KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA (RUS) H2H 4-1
SHARAPOVA, MARIA (RUS) H2H 3-0
SAFINA, DINARA (RUS) H2H 3-0
LIKHOVTSEVA, ELENA (RUS) H2H 3-1
ZVONAREVA, VERA (RUS) H2H 1-0
BOVINA, ELENA (RUS) H2H 2-1


OTHER NAMES (Russians)
JIDKOVA, ALINA (RUS) H2H 1-0
CHAKVETADZE, ANNA (RUS) H2H 1-0
KIRILENKO, MARIA (RUS) H2H 1-0
LINETSKAYA, EVGENIA (RUS) H2H 1-0
PANOVA, TATIANA (RUS) H2H 2-0
KRASNOROUTSKAYA, LINA (RUS) H2H 0-1 (the only losing record ;))


Nope. Not even close. The title goes to Justine.:p No losing record against any of them.;)

Anastasia Myskina 6-2
Anna Kournikova 4-0
Dinara Safina 2-0
Elena Bovina 6-0
Elena Dementieva 7-1
Elena Likhovtseva 2-0
Lina Krasnoroutskaya 2-0
Maria Kirilenko 1-0
Maria Sharapova 2-1
Nadia Petrova 6-1
Svetlana Kuznetsova 7-1
Tatiana Panova 1-0
Vera Douchevina 1-0
Vera Zvonareva 3-0

SJW
Jul 10th, 2005, 12:21 AM
Sorry Babe, actually Kim holds that title :p
One thing that's pretty amazing is that no other Russian besides Myskina has more than 1 win against her in their career :yeah:
*straight from the WTA website*

BIG NAMES (or more "known players")
MYSKINA, ANASTASIA (RUS) H2H 6-3 (1 loss was an inj. ret. in Leipzig 2003)
DEMENTIEVA, ELENA (RUS) H2H 7-1
KOURNIKOVA, ANNA (RUS) H2H 4-1
KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA (RUS) H2H 4-1
SHARAPOVA, MARIA (RUS) H2H 3-0
SAFINA, DINARA (RUS) H2H 3-0
LIKHOVTSEVA, ELENA (RUS) H2H 3-1
ZVONAREVA, VERA (RUS) H2H 1-0
BOVINA, ELENA (RUS) H2H 2-1

total of 33-8

Serena Williams
MYSKINA, ANASTASIA (RUS) H2H 3-0
DEMENTIEVA, ELENA (RUS) H2H 4-0
KOURNIKOVA, ANNA (RUS) H2H 2-0
KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA (RUS) H2H 2-0
SHARAPOVA, MARIA (RUS) H2H 2-2
SAFINA, DINARA (RUS) H2H 2-0
LIKHOVTSEVA, ELENA (RUS) H2H 4-1
ZVONAREVA, VERA (RUS) H2H 3-0
BOVINA, ELENA (RUS) H2H 2-0

total of 24-3
i love Kim but she doesnt even compare :)
i think Henin has a good record against the Ruskis also

SJW
Jul 10th, 2005, 12:22 AM
Nope. Not even close. The title goes to Justine.:p No losing record against any of them.;)

Anastasia Myskina 6-2
Anna Kournikova 4-0
Dinara Safina 2-0
Elena Bovina 6-0
Elena Dementieva 7-1
Elena Likhovtseva 2-0
Lina Krasnoroutskaya 2-0
Maria Kirilenko 1-0
Maria Sharapova 2-1
Nadia Petrova 6-1
Svetlana Kuznetsova 7-1
Tatiana Panova 1-0
Vera Douchevina 1-0
Vera Zvonareva 3-0

ugh. not only did you beat me to it. but i AGREE with you. ick.

Martian KC
Jul 10th, 2005, 12:26 AM
ugh. not only did you beat me to it. but i AGREE with you. ick.

50-6 Ugh you right back!!!!!

Zippy
Jul 10th, 2005, 12:31 AM
Nope. Not even close. The title goes to Justine.:p No losing record against any of them.;)

Anastasia Myskina 6-2
Anna Kournikova 4-0
Dinara Safina 2-0
Elena Bovina 6-0
Elena Dementieva 7-1
Elena Likhovtseva 2-0
Lina Krasnoroutskaya 2-0
Maria Kirilenko 1-0
Maria Sharapova 2-1
Nadia Petrova 6-1
Svetlana Kuznetsova 7-1
Tatiana Panova 1-0
Vera Douchevina 1-0
Vera Zvonareva 3-0

:banghead:
Yeah I stand corrected. Got to give it to her (Justine).

JUSTINE is the true #1 Russian Slayer :worship:

Zippy
Jul 10th, 2005, 12:38 AM
Serena has a better percentage :banana: but Henin can be the Ruski slayer...for sure ;)
Better percentage based on what math? Unless of course you're taking into account her total H2H against all the Russians, which hasn't been poster yet. Anyways if not, 50-6 is a higher win % than 24-3 (note: 25-3 would be identical)
:wavey:

joz
Jul 10th, 2005, 12:44 AM
[QUOTE=Cybelle Darkholme]Oh and to reiterate: Playing for your country during fed cup is exactly the same as playing on the regular tour otherwise they wouldnt bother to list where each player was from and who they decided to play for.QUOTE]

Hmm... so why do people have regular doubles partners from other countries?

xan
Jul 10th, 2005, 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by ys
In a way, this is good for the tournaments too.. Venus could have gotten on a roll after that Wimbledon title. Now Nastya puts her off boil. That's a good confidence blow. Venus of Wimbledon form on hardcourts would have been a very little chance for everyone else.. Now.. Venus will be back struggling in two weeks time.

A little harsh. But this does answer some of the questions about whether Venus could continue in her Wimbledon form.

Rocketta
Jul 10th, 2005, 03:34 AM
A little harsh. But this does answer some of the questions about whether Venus could continue in her Wimbledon form.

sad little boy...*shakes head* and laughs at all those 2004's in your sig. :lol:

when are you planning on stepping into 2005? :tape:

Stamp Paid
Jul 10th, 2005, 03:38 AM
sad little boy...*shakes head* and laughs at all those 2004's in your sig. :lol:

when you planning on stepping into 2005? :tape:

lmao i know right. :tape:

(see sig)

Gowza
Jul 10th, 2005, 03:40 AM
playing fed cup is different to playing on the tour even though on the tour they list where they are from, fed cup they are playing for the country and representing their country, on the tour they are playing for themselves but their country is listed because it is of some interested to the fans just like other little info such as age etc. but personally if i was playing at such a high level of sport i would consider myself to be respresenting my country whether it be something like fed cup or the tour.

Rocketta
Jul 10th, 2005, 03:46 AM
lmao i know right. :tape:

(see sig)

:haha:

ceiling_fan
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:44 AM
i haven't read all the pages in this thread so i wouldn't know, but does anyone know how they played? well? or was it a bad match?

anyway congrats nastya!!:yeah: altho i would have thought venus have carried on her form from wimbledon :shrug:

selyoink
Jul 10th, 2005, 06:05 AM
Great Job Anastasia!

I was so thrilled when I saw that she beat Venus.

As for Venus we will just have to see where she really is at during the summer season. Wimbledon may have been her last run at glory for all we know or maybe she really is back to competing at every slam. It is way too early to tell either way.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 10th, 2005, 06:55 AM
lmao i know right. :tape:

(see sig)

LMAO!

fOxYLiCiOuS
Jul 10th, 2005, 06:58 AM
:bounce: Anastasia :D :kiss: :hearts:



:o Vee ?? :sad:

tennisrox
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:04 AM
I can't believe the number of posts ppl make when one of the Williams sisters loses!!!

VRee_Willario
Jul 10th, 2005, 07:32 AM
I can't believe the number of posts ppl make when one of the Williams sisters loses!!!
Me neither ;)

TomTennis
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:01 AM
OMG guys. Venus lost...big deal! She has expressed out draining Wimby was.

Im just so thankful that she has got the week off before BOWC. The best Venus is a fit and healthy Venus, and that Venus is the best ever!!!!!!!

Munchen
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:45 AM
Myskina :D


Nice win :hearts:

Oizo
Jul 10th, 2005, 10:16 AM
Nastya :bounce: Well done :D

Knizzle
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:24 PM
Sure. It will stay like that for another 20 hours.

Hey ys you were right after all, Venus now leads 4-2 with a 6-1, 6-2 merking of Elena. Good call ys!! :worship:

jacky90104
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:40 PM
Good Nastya :) :) :)

V-MAC
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:44 PM
A little harsh. But this does answer some of the questions about whether Venus could continue in her Wimbledon form.

yes and Vee's trashing today of Elena Dementieva, the world no.5, says alot too doesn't it?

Paneru
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:50 PM
yes and Vee's trashing today of Elena Dementieva, the world no.5, says alot too doesn't it?

Just shows you how much some fear for other players
if Venus continues her Wimbledon form. So, they'll look
for any and every chinque in the Venus amour to
exaggerate.

It's amsuing, because before Wimbledon Venus
was an after thought now people can't seem to
stop talking about her in whatever capacity.

The power of winning a Slam again and
showing the amazing display of play.

Zippy
Jul 10th, 2005, 02:07 PM
I can't believe the number of posts ppl make when one of the Williams sisters loses!!!
Well the resent ones from myself, Martian KC, & SJW are completely off topic :p

DevilishAttitude
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:17 PM
Venus should now definetly not be losing to Myskina. Anastasia was very lucky 3 of her 4 opponents choked huge oppotunities away at Wimbledon and IMO was still not that impressive at Wimby.

I still doubt Venus will became the top player again. Beating Dementieva 6-1 6-2 today says a lot more about Lena than Venus. :o

Knizzle
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:24 PM
Venus should now definetly not be losing to Myskina. Anastasia was very lucky 3 of her 4 opponents choked huge oppotunities away at Wimbledon and IMO was still not that impressive at Wimby.

I still doubt Venus will became the top player again. Beating Dementieva 6-1 6-2 today says a lot more about Lena than Venus. :o

Myskina is tough to beat in that building and Venus has had VERY little success in that building. It really shouldn't be a shock that Venus lost here, but she definitely had the match in her hands up 7-5 1-0 40-0 on Myskina's serve. I think losing that game and wasting 3 Bps really deflated Venus.

spartanfan
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:31 PM
Myskina has 1 Grand Slam. Venus Williams has 5 Grand Slams. Any other questions about who the better player is?

raquel
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:32 PM
I still doubt Venus will became the top player again. Beating Dementieva 6-1 6-2 today says a lot more about Lena than Venus. :o
Devilish :devil: Venus beat the top two in the world to win Wimbledon (defending champion included). What more does she need to do to be considering elite again? A year from now if Venus doesn't win another match then OK, she's not a top player again, but give her a chance to back up the Wimbledon with other good results before judging.

Shvedbarilescu
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Venus should now definetly not be losing to Myskina. Anastasia was very lucky 3 of her 4 opponents choked huge oppotunities away at Wimbledon and IMO was still not that impressive at Wimby.

I still doubt Venus will became the top player again. Beating Dementieva 6-1 6-2 today says a lot more about Lena than Venus. :o

Congradulations, in a mere three sentences you've managed to diss Nastya, Venus and Elena. Is there anybody that you actually think is, err, good? As to three players choking to Myskina at Wimbledon, if you look at Nastya's career you will see it is littered with similar combacks. When Nastya is playing well she is never out of a match and often produces these stunning comebacks.

spartanfan
Jul 10th, 2005, 09:36 PM
Let me put it another way, The Entire Playing Country of Russia, in their entire HISTORY of playing tennis, has 3 Grand Slam Titles. Venus Williams of the United States has 5 alone. Let the haters call it what they want or what they're wishing for, but Venus is by far a greater success that the entire country of Russian and their hundred million players.

DevilishAttitude
Jul 10th, 2005, 10:04 PM
Raquel :kiss: But what I actually said was THE top player again. I think Venus can be up there with the best but I seriously don't she'll ever come close to dominating. And Venus has had good tournaments this year and then nothing.

ChrisCHorse - I know. I'm so proud :D

Myskina might have played better when it got tight but you can't be 7-5 6-7 4-1 up *Or something like that*, 0-6 7-5 5-1 up and 6-1 3*-0 up as Bohmova, Jankovic and Dementieva were and losing without slightly choking.

vwfan
Jul 10th, 2005, 10:55 PM
Venus on tour kicking butt is the scariest thought in the world to non-Venus fans and that is why this thread goes on and on. Most know that there are no limits to what she is capable of when "on" and wanting it. She simply cannot be denied. Period.
From 2000-3, she was the most dominating player until her abdominal tear. So she has taken her time to get back to form. I hope she is finally back to form, but with so many good players nothing can be assured about how she will match up except this: if Venus Williams carries her Wimbledon form into the hardcourt season through the U.S. Open, no one will challenge her. No one. So Myskina should savor the victory and enjoy the trash talking, it may be a while before she can do it again.

hotandspicey
Jul 10th, 2005, 11:11 PM
Myskina has 1 Grand Slam. Venus Williams has 5 Grand Slams. Any other questions about who the better player is?:lol: :lol: :tape:

Volcana
Jul 10th, 2005, 11:13 PM
Myskina has 1 Grand Slam. Venus Williams has 5 Grand Slams. Any other questions about who the better player is?On clay in a Fed Cup match? No.

Oizo
Jul 10th, 2005, 11:13 PM
Nastya has personal problems with her mother who is very ill. I am sure she will recover soon and become the player she was in May 2004.

mykarma
Jul 10th, 2005, 11:13 PM
In a way, this is good for the tournaments too.. Venus could have gotten on a roll after that Wimbledon title. Now Nastya puts her off boil. That's a good confidence blow. Venus of Wimbledon form on hardcourts would have been a very little chance for everyone else.. Now.. Venus will be back struggling in two weeks time.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Surely you jest.

Volcana
Jul 10th, 2005, 11:17 PM
Are we really going back to the days when every loss of Venus' is worth a 6 od 7 page thread? Myskina is the reason Russian won Fed Cup last year. She's the 2004 RG champ. Venus played well. Myskina played better. Venus has two months to get her on hard courts.

And as for this being the hurrah for Venus, forgive those of us who retained the faith since 2001 for retaining it now.

michelle11
Jul 10th, 2005, 11:41 PM
Myskina has 1 Grand Slam. Venus Williams has 5 Grand Slams. Any other questions about who the better player is?




thats it,a clear decision!

but,hmmm...on the other hand,why was it to be played actually??
isn't this very silly? :confused: :confused:

volta
Jul 11th, 2005, 12:07 AM
Are we really going back to the days when every loss of Venus' is worth a 6 od 7 page thread? Myskina is the reason Russian won Fed Cup last year. She's the 2004 RG champ. Venus played well. Myskina played better. Venus has two months to get her on hard courts.

And as for this being the hurrah for Venus, forgive those of us who retained the faith since 2001 for retaining it now.
thank God u said that looks like some people were just waiting fo Vee to loose 1 match to start the hate :o

spartanfan
Jul 11th, 2005, 03:14 AM
thats it,a clear decision!

but,hmmm...on the other hand,why was it to be played actually??
isn't this very silly? :confused: :confused:


Can someone decipher this for me please?:confused:

lizchris
Jul 11th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Great Job Anastasia!

I was so thrilled when I saw that she beat Venus.

As for Venus we will just have to see where she really is at during the summer season. Wimbledon may have been her last run at glory for all we know or maybe she really is back to competing at every slam. It is way too early to tell either way.




She will be winning a lot more tournaments and Slams in the future than Myskina ever will.

Oizo
Jul 11th, 2005, 01:08 PM
Can someone decipher this for me please?:confused:

:haha: I think no one but the poster can :haha:

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 11th, 2005, 01:08 PM
Myskina really dont have the game to beat Venus..I'm sure when the US open rolls around...Venus will put a whoopin on her...Venus has gotten past Sharapova, Davenport, Serena, Deminteva and Mary Pierce..people who have easiy beat Myskina......Myskina's game is 3/4 *if that!* as good as those players. Plus this is on CLAY..she's won a Grand Slam on this surface..and she needed 3 sets to beat Venus. I know ya'll glad Miss Myskina beat a top player like Venus...so go ahead and have ya'll "Myskina holiday" but dont celebrate too long...when it comes down to the wire...Venus and other top players will put Myskina down in a second...besides this is FED CUP...people dont take this tournament serious...lol.

Oizo
Jul 11th, 2005, 01:11 PM
Maybe we should just wait and see and stop making prophecies that won't fullfill.

Netsurfer
Jul 11th, 2005, 01:22 PM
Venus and other top players will put Myskina down in a second...besides this is FED CUP...people dont take this tournament serious...lol.
Of course people take it seriously. Why else would top players agree to participate? And in this special case, Venus definitely did NOT "put down Myskina in a second". Why is it so hard to appreciate and acknowledge Myskina's victory over Venus Williams? This does not take away from Venus Williams being a really great player. Because she definitely is a great player. But it's a competition, sometimes Venus wins, sometimes Anastasia wins. Frankly, I don't understand the hostility and the condescension against Myskina from some posters here.

**Netsurfer

Oizo
Jul 11th, 2005, 01:27 PM
I wouldn't take it too seriously Netsurfer ;)

Daniel
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:47 AM
Nastya is the best :worship: :kiss: :rocker:

denine
Jul 12th, 2005, 02:00 PM
they are gonna hate every single player that venus loses to...i guess.. :rolleyes:

Circe
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:26 PM
not been a good few days for our intellectually-challenged myski-baiters, has it?

anyway, good couple of wins for anastasia. the finals will be another matter; playing mauresmo at RG...~rubbing hands in anticipation~....we shall have a match on our hands. is mary expected to play for France?

goldenlox
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:30 PM
not been a good few days for our intellectually-challenged myski-baiters, has it?

anyway, good couple of wins for anastasia. the finals will be another matter; playing mauresmo at RG...~rubbing hands in anticipation~....we shall have a match on our hands. is mary expected to play for France?I hope Mary plays.
I want revenge for 2003. Lena wasn't healthy, or something happened where Vera played, and Lena watched.
Now it's payback time, same as last year.

_LuCaS_
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:43 PM
Myskina really dont have the game to beat Venus..I'm sure when the US open rolls around...Venus will put a whoopin on her...Venus has gotten past Sharapova, Davenport, Serena, Deminteva and Mary Pierce..people who have easiy beat Myskina......Myskina's game is 3/4 *if that!* as good as those players. Plus this is on CLAY..she's won a Grand Slam on this surface..and she needed 3 sets to beat Venus. I know ya'll glad Miss Myskina beat a top player like Venus...so go ahead and have ya'll "Myskina holiday" but dont celebrate too long...when it comes down to the wire...Venus and other top players will put Myskina down in a second...besides this is FED CUP...people dont take this tournament serious...lol.
Some Williams fans are really clueless when regarding other players than the sisters.

lizchris
Jul 12th, 2005, 03:55 PM
Why is this topic still on page 1?

This match occured on Saturday. Anastasia won, Venus lost, but Venus won her next match, but it wasn't enough to withstand Russian as they are in the Fed Cup final again, get over it!:rolleyes: :mad:

Damn, I am already focused on the All-Star game in baseball and the second half of the baseball season. :angel: