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faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:35 PM
what do you think????......or anyone other than her

ZAK
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:40 PM
Lucic wasn't that overrated, because she was indeed very good. She under-preformed by a lot though. Overrated maybe Harkleroad, because in the US she was hyped up a lot despite it being obvious she didn't have enough of a serve or power. There is probably someone who was even more overrated, but I can't recall them.

Rtael
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:42 PM
Yet people keep making threads about her....go figure...

Andrew..
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:43 PM
Monique Viele. :)

ZAK
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:43 PM
Monique Viele. :)

Without a doubt, I forgot about her.

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:44 PM
Yet people keep making threads about her....go figure...

yet people keep replying to them...go figure...

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:46 PM
Lucic wasn't that overrated, because she was indeed very good. She under-preformed by a lot though. Overrated maybe Harkleroad, because in the US she was hyped up a lot despite it being obvious she didn't have enough of a serve or power. There is probably someone who was even more overrated, but I can't recall them.

i only ever seen lucic play two decent matchs...against a half fit seles...and one against a near redundant graf.......

Andrew..
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:48 PM
i only ever seen lucic play two decent matchs...against a half fit seles...and one against a near redundant graf.......
Lucic had real talent. She was amazing against Novotna at the US Open one year before she died late in the third.

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:51 PM
talent only gets you so far.
Mirjana was great when she 1st came on scene.
she had a "few" off-court probs to deal with too :sad:

application, dedication is also needed.

Zhao
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:52 PM
if u think Sharapova hits very hard...Lucic can hit even harder....

WhatTheDeuce
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:53 PM
if u think Sharapova hits very hard...Lucic can hit even harder....
Lucic is probably the biggest hitter to ever play women's tennis.

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:55 PM
Lucic had real talent. She was amazing against Novotna at the US Open one year before she died late in the third.

you mean she couldne beat that choker...go figure.....i think this sums up her overratedness......

WhatTheDeuce
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:57 PM
you mean she couldne beat that choker...go figure.....i think this sums up her overratedness......
I think you're a moron. :retard:

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:58 PM
talent only gets you so far.
Mirjana was great when she 1st came on scene.
she had a "few" off-court probs to deal with too :sad:

application, dedication is also needed.


what????...and no other players ever have troubles off court????...never hear them make excuses...

Oneofakind0490
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:00 PM
Do you even know what happened to Lucic offcourt?

jimbo mack
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:03 PM
i only ever seen lucic play two decent matchs...against a half fit seles...and one against a near redundant graf.......

yet another idiot joins the board :sigh:

monica was fine for that match. i have it on video, she was fully fit. lucic was better than her on that day- both players played a good match, lucic was too good

steffi was near retirement, but she had just won the french and was finalist at wimbledon so that fact that lucic stretched her to 3 sets says alot

and in answer to this pathetic thread, lucic was not overated. she suffered a lot with personal probs, injuries and a lack of desire to become a top player. she lived up to her expectations when she joined the tour by winning the 1st tournament she entered and then the final of the second one. 2 years later she beats seles and tauziat to reach wimbledon semi-finals. after that all the reasons i mentioned earlier stopped any further progress

she could have easily become a great, had she wanted to

jimbo mack
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:05 PM
what????...and no other players ever have troubles off court????...never hear them make excuses...

omg, if you knew what happened with her you would take that comment back straight away

jrm
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:08 PM
She had the potencial to be big but cirumstances brought her where is now ... nowhere!

Never saw anyone else hitting the ball as hard as she did!

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:10 PM
omg, if you knew what happened with her you would take that comment back straight away

like what????

jimbo mack
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:13 PM
like what????

do your own research

faboozadoo15
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:22 PM
do your own research
i actually like lucic and was curious for your answer. everything i've heard or read sounds like gossip when it comes to her personal life.

XaDavK_Kapri
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:25 PM
i actually like lucic and was curious for your answer. everything i've heard or read sounds like gossip when it comes to her personal life.
Same here.

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:39 PM
do your own research

no..you tell me...and make sure you are 100% correct in what you indict....

jimbo mack
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:41 PM
no..you tell me...and make sure you are 100% correct in what you indict....

lucic claimed her and her family were emotionally and physically abused by her father

Rtael
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:48 PM
:retard: Some people...

Rtael
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:50 PM
ZAGREB, Croatia -- Teen-age tennis star Mirjana Lucic has fled her native Croatia after accusing her father of being abusive.

``Beatings ... there have been more of them than anyone can imagine,'' the 16-year-old Lucic told a Zagreb newspaper, Slobodna Dalmacija. ``Sometimes it was because of the lost game, in other cases for the lost set or badly played trainings. I don't want to even say what happened after the matches I lost.''

Marinko Lucic, who also was his daughter's coach and adviser, denied the accusations that he mistreated her because of tennis.

``If I slammed her, that was because she didn't behave nicely, never because of tennis,'' Marinko Lucic wrote to the newspaper Vecenji List.

The player said she fled with her mother and four brothers and sisters to the United States with the help of a U.S. senator whom she did not identify. She is attending Nick Bollettieri's tennis academy in Bradenton, Fla.

Last week, a spokesman for the Corel WTA Tour said Lucic had moved to Florida.

There had been rumors that Lucic's father was too rigid and that the two have not gotten along ever since Lucic rocketed to fame by winning her first pro tournament in Bol, Croatia, last year. She also was a finalist in three other tournaments in 1997.

This year, she did not appear at the tour event in Bol in southern Croatia.

In the Slobodna Dalmacija article that appeared last week, Lucic charged that her father's violence was behind her poor performances this year. She is currently ranked 50th in the world after suffering a series of first-round losses.

``I had huge problems ... the things I had to endure,'' she said.

``When I was beaten in Wimbledon, and when father attacked my mother, I decided to move, to get out of his shadow and start a new life.''

Lucic will be competing in the U.S. Open this week. Her first-round opponent is Kristie Boogert of the Netherlands. She could possible play eighth-seeded Steffi Graf in the third round.

``For the first time in 12 years, I enjoyed training,'' she said of her move. ``Previously, I was nervous, I could not bear all that.

``I decided to finally start to live; everything was denied before. Now I go to bed in peace and I wake up calm.

``May this U.S. Open be my new beginning,'' she said, adding: ``I am so eager to get onto the court and start playing again.''

Rtael
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:51 PM
Now seriously fuck off. I'm sure she was totally just spouting tabloid "gossip" there.

RAA
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:52 PM
yikes.. very sad.. really, tennis is nothing compared to that..

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:05 PM
lucic claimed her and her family were emotionally and physically abused by her father

thats what 99.9% teenagers claim sometime in through out their lives....again its just hearsay and accusations...oof course you can add proof????...or do you know...have anything thats at all relevant or valid to this topic????

jimbo mack
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:13 PM
thats what 99.9% teenagers claim sometime in through out their lives....again its just hearsay and accusations...oof course you can add proof????...or do you know...have anything thats at all relevant or valid to this topic????

omg, are you human?

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:21 PM
omg, are you human?

why...are trying to make first contact????

jimbo mack
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:22 PM
why...are trying to make first contact????

ok, i'm gonna stop replying to this troll

i'll just looking forward to it being banned

Freakan
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:23 PM
omg, are you human?

He's probably just an idiot :rolleyes: :o

selking
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:25 PM
yet another idiot joins the board :sigh:

monica was fine for that match. i have it on video, she was fully fit. lucic was better than her on that day- both players played a good match, lucic was too good

steffi was near retirement, but she had just won the french and was finalist at wimbledon so that fact that lucic stretched her to 3 sets says alot

and in answer to this pathetic thread, lucic was not overated. she suffered a lot with personal probs, injuries and a lack of desire to become a top player. she lived up to her expectations when she joined the tour by winning the 1st tournament she entered and then the final of the second one. 2 years later she beats seles and tauziat to reach wimbledon semi-finals. after that all the reasons i mentioned earlier stopped any further progress

she could have easily become a great, had she wanted to

wow graf fans are so dumb. I love how you make some horrid excuses for graf and then say that monica was just fine.

ezekiel
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:36 PM
I don't know how good she ever was in tennis but there are many other overrated players I could think of

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:40 PM
I don't know how good she ever was in tennis but there are many other overrated players I could think of

name them.....

mboyle
Jul 8th, 2005, 10:00 PM
thats what 99.9% teenagers claim sometime in through out their lives....again its just hearsay and accusations...oof course you can add proof????...or do you know...have anything thats at all relevant or valid to this topic????

well she managed to convince a judge to put a restraining order on her father, so:rolleyes: ...

faboozadoo15
Jul 8th, 2005, 10:01 PM
:retard: Some people...
why did you bad rep me? i said i LIKE lucic, but i myself couldn't sort thriough all kinds of reports and peoples' opinions to ever find out what has truly been wrong with this poor girl. that is all. i didn't say that i doubt anything that has been reported that has been wrong in her life, just that it's hard to keep track of even as someone who likes the girl.

*JR*
Jul 8th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Err, "Honorable Mention" to:

Alex Stevenson
Anna Kournikova

:o

faboozadoo15
Jul 8th, 2005, 10:09 PM
Now seriously fuck off. I'm sure she was totally just spouting tabloid "gossip" there.
i had never once read a report like that where she actually is quoted. thank you for posting.

Steffica Greles
Jul 8th, 2005, 10:13 PM
To see Lucic as overrated is to miss the point entirely.

To see her as underperforming kind of summarises everything about her.

In retrospect Mirjana was nothing more than hype, because she didn't produce the results. When you look at her junior career, and more to the point, when you've watched her play, you know better. She had enormous potential.

ezekiel
Jul 8th, 2005, 10:31 PM
name them.....

sprem, harkleroad, hantuchova,stevenson, bedanova come to mind...

Bristol
Jul 8th, 2005, 10:48 PM
Faithtrueman obviously has a severe lack of understanding and knowledge of the womens game and is a total wanker!
Anyway back to the point of this thread. Lucic definitley wasn't overated she had enormous potential and maybe not quite delivering she did score some big wins so that speaks for itself. It isn' up to us to have to try and point out what happened to her and its reliability, it ended up in court and the law was on her side so I think that speaks volumes!
I definitley wouldn't put Hantuchova as overated either she too has had some big wins and won tier 1 a perfect example would be that Monique Viele.

WhatTheDeuce
Jul 8th, 2005, 10:55 PM
Err, "Honorable Mention" to:

Alex Stevenson
Anna Kournikova

:o
Kournikova, overrated? :retard:

The only thing people say about Anna is that she sucks and cant play tennis for her life. Considering that, and the fact that she has tons of talent and ZERO singles titles, I dont understand at all how she can be constituted as overrated. :retard:

Rtael
Jul 8th, 2005, 11:17 PM
why did you bad rep me? i said i LIKE lucic, but i myself couldn't sort thriough all kinds of reports and peoples' opinions to ever find out what has truly been wrong with this poor girl. that is all. i didn't say that i doubt anything that has been reported that has been wrong in her life, just that it's hard to keep track of even as someone who likes the girl.


Sorry, this thread just pissed me off. I don't really know how you can "not know" when everyone on this forum knows it's true. Even if you hadn't necessarily seen the articles or quotes, if everyone on this forum is convinced that it's true, it seems like there must be something to it. BTW the article was the second result found by simply typing "mirjana lucic" abuse into yahoo.

Kart
Jul 8th, 2005, 11:48 PM
why...are trying to make first contact????

:rolls:

What a great comeback (sorry J-Mack but it was :o.)

Lucic wasn't overrated and neither was Kournikova.

Both were capable of great tennis which to me means they were worth hyping.

The fact that they didn't perform to expectation (for whatever reason) couldn't have been forseen.

*JR*
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:00 AM
The only thing people say about Anna is that she sucks and cant play tennis for her life. Considering that, and the fact that she has tons of talent and ZERO singles titles....
HAD tons of talent. (Besides that, I agree with everything quoted). So how would YOU categorize the Blonde Bimbo? :lol:

Gallofa
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:00 AM
Monique Viele.
:worship:

Monique Viele... what fun we had thanks to her in the old Sanex boards! :lol:

About Lucic, I don't think she was overrated. I mean, she played for a very short period of time and achieved quite a bit. Expectation built about her because of that, but I don't think that makes her overrated. I admit that generally, the blonder the player is, the faster expectation builds, but that does not mean it is undeserved. ;)

Master Lu
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:10 AM
To see Lucic as overrated is to miss the point entirely.

To see her as underperforming kind of summarises everything about her.

Exactly. And to be able to say that about a player that has a senior grand slam title to her name (doubles) amongst her other acomplishments says just how great she could have been. :sad:

Davenselesport
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:30 AM
Daja Bedanova
Alexandra Stevenson
Ally Baker :o (now retired :sad: )
Ashley Harkleroad
Laura Granville?... I don't know she was top 30...

jimbo mack
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:00 AM
wow graf fans are so dumb. I love how you make some horrid excuses for graf and then say that monica was just fine.

i'm just telling it how it is

don't be another twisted and bitter seles fan

WhatTheDeuce
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:24 AM
HAD tons of talent. (Besides that, I agree with everything quoted). So how would YOU categorize the Blonde Bimbo? :lol:
I'd categorize her as underrated, because nobody gives her recognition for the talent she had, even when she had it. For someone to be overrated their ranking would need to be inflated and they'd have won more titles than their talent should have earned them... Kournikova is the furthest thing from that. :)

Cris Senior
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:51 AM
if u think Sharapova hits very hard...Lucic can hit even harder....
Comment:
Well, can you post some stats and their sources that show your claim is true. I know Lucic hits hard, but whenever I saw her playing her unforced errors were also enormous.
It is no just how hard you hit but of those hard hits, how many fall inside the bright white lines for winners.
CS

WhatTheDeuce
Jul 9th, 2005, 03:54 AM
Comment:
Well, can you post some stats and their sources that show your claim is true. I know Lucic hits hard, but whenever I saw her playing her unforced errors were also enormous.
It is no just how hard you hit but of those hard hits, how many fall inside the bright white lines for winners.
CS
The poster never said Lucic hit the ball in more, or that Lucic didnt make tons of errors. He said she hits harder. That's an opinion (and a fact, if youve seen Lucic play). :)

Topher950
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:47 AM
Did ally baker really retire...i remember an article that was published around the USOPEN about her....it was making her the next best thing...then i heard she was all into the glam of the sport...not the playing part...is that true??

Cris Senior
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:20 AM
The poster never said Lucic hit the ball in more, or that Lucic didnt make tons of errors. He said she hits harder. That's an opinion (and a fact, if youve seen Lucic play). :)
COMMENT:
I know he said that you stupid moron! You think you're going to fool me with fallacious reasoning ! The point here being that it is a meaningless statement to say player X hits "harder" because what matters in tennis is that the strokes are winners. In addition, he didn't simply say "harder" as you claim , he said "harder than Sharapova" and then how do we know his claim is true without he posting any evidence?
By the way, opinions and impressions are not "facts" as you claim, only recorded measurements are accepted as facts in cases like this. Also, I am sure I've seen Lucic play in front of my eyes many more times than you ever did, both at the USO and in Fla. And the last time I saw her play, at USO/03,
she was way overwighted, she wasn't hitting "hard" at all and lost in the very first round of qualies. Another logical fallacy: just because she hit the ball "hard" 6 years ago, it doesn't follow she still does it in 2005. Tennis is a very demanding sport in skill training and if you snooze you loose it quickly.
CS

Cris Senior
Jul 9th, 2005, 05:47 AM
I'd categorize her as underrated, because nobody gives her recognition for the talent she had, even when she had it. For someone to be overrated their ranking would need to be inflated and they'd have won more titles than their talent should have earned them... Kournikova is the furthest thing from that. :)
COMMENT:
The above pompous pronouncement is the product of a brain badly trained in logic. The only way to rate and rank players is by their concrete achievenents in a court vs their opponents. Therefore, whatever rank and titles a player won, it is because their talent led he/she to that achievement, otherwise they would not have obtained such result.. To claim that we could show that some player have won "more titles than their talent should have earned them" is a logical contradiction in terms, of ludricous proportions, because it is of course impossible to show that by definition.
On that oher issue, Kournikova did get enormous amount of recognition when her achievements led her to a top ten ranking, out of which she cashed in pretty well. It was the promess of even higher achievements that made her a millionaire in spite of her never delivering the whole enchilada. And in this sense, someone can claim that she was overrated.
CS

*JR*
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:18 PM
On that oher issue, Kournikova did get enormous amount of recognition when her achievements led her to a top ten ranking, out of which she cashed in pretty well. It was the promess of even higher achievements that made her a millionaire in spite of her never delivering the whole enchilada. And in this sense, someone can claim that she was overrated.
CS
Precisely. Though the myth that she's not just "another pretty blonde" was what generated the 10 to 20 million dollars a year she made in the late 90's and early this decade. (Now she's just a "cheap trick" who has to "scrape by" on probably 5 to 7 million).

WhatTheDeuce
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:20 PM
Oh.

I was talking purely about tennis talent/ability when I said Kournikova was underrated. Obviously if you take into account the millions she made in endorsements and offcourt activities then yes, I can see why she would be categorized as overrated. But that's not what I'm talking about.

*JR*
Jul 9th, 2005, 06:39 PM
Oh.

I was talking purely about tennis talent/ability when I said Kournikova was underrated. Obviously if you take into account the millions she made in endorsements and offcourt activities then yes, I can see why she would be categorized as overrated. But that's not what I'm talking about.
OK, I guess if tennis were judged artistically (like figure skating) that would be a fair criteria. But its about titles, esp. Slams and the 2 top tiers. I won't bother with the record, but let me cite something that sums it all up IMO.

In 2002 (her last actual season) she was 2-0 vs. "little Anna" (Smash). So they set things up in Shanghai, @ a Tier that doesn't even exist anymore, to let "God's Gift" finally win something. So who does she lose the final to?

Incidentally, I've never called the "supermodels" ho's or whatever (even though I think most are ovarated in looks, as measured by their earnings) because they don't live a lie (from their occupation, to their marital status back when) to get that bling.

Wolfram Hart
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:11 PM
She's quite Iconic. Although I was a MirjanaLfan!

Cris Senior
Jul 10th, 2005, 12:22 AM
Oh.

I was talking purely about tennis talent/ability when I said Kournikova was underrated. Obviously if you take into account the millions she made in endorsements and offcourt activities then yes, I can see why she would be categorized as overrated. But that's not what I'm talking about.
COMMENT:
You have an annoying pretentious habit of making obvious statements and presenting them as if they were deep and thoughtful. For instance, if you say "It rained, the grounds are wet" and I reply "no kidding!" ,then you answer: "oh, I wasn't joking". Amazing!
You continue to reason with dimwitted fallacies. I don't know what kind of strange world you inhabit but in this real world tennis players are ranked and rated "purely by their talent/ability". Now how is this measured? Very simply, by the results achieved on court by the player in terms of W/L's.
That's all .Tennis has a very fair system of ratings: you win you get points, you win the whole thing you get the most points, you beat players above you you get bonus points, you lose you get nothing. In this way nobody is "overrated" or "underrated".
JR is right, tennis rankings are very different from figure skating in which the subjective appraisals of judges determines final rankings on the basis of "artistic" merits. Now if you consider Anna's ass "artistic", then she is underrated.
CS

Martian Willow
Jul 10th, 2005, 12:27 AM
COMMENT:
You continue to reason with dimwitted fallacies. I don't know what kind of strange world you inhabit but in this real world tennis players are ranked and rated "purely by their talent/ability". Now how is this measured? Very simply, by the results achieved on court by the player in terms of W/L's.
That's all .Tennis has a very fair system of ratings: you win you get points, you win the whole thing you get the most points, you beat players above you you get bonus points, you lose you get nothing. In this way nobody is "overrated" or "underrated".
JR is right, tennis rankings are very different from figure skating in which the subjective appraisals of judges determines final results
CS

Comment:
Do you think desire is a part of talent-stroke-ability, or something seperate from it? :)

Cris Senior
Jul 10th, 2005, 12:36 AM
Comment:
Do you think desire is a part of talent-stroke-ability, or something seperate from it? :)
Commen:
Oh my god ! A philosopher here ! What a surprise.
It actually is a very good question for which only very recently, Neuroscience is providing answers. Without being an expert , summing up recent findings, I'd answer yes, desire is very important to talent/sroke ability, simply because it leads to the release of more adrenaline and dopamine in the brain which in turn leads to higher focus, accuracy, determination and endurance.
CS

Cris Senior
Jul 10th, 2005, 12:43 AM
Precisely. Though the myth that she's not just "another pretty blonde" was what generated the 10 to 20 million dollars a year she made in the late 90's and early this decade. (Now she's just a "cheap trick" who has to "scrape by" on probably 5 to 7 million).
COMMENT:
Well, that's what commercial, marketing capitalism is all about. The image rules absolutely. The real has been left behind and rendered unnecesary.
We live in times of the hyperreal and the simulacrum.

WhatTheDeuce
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:04 AM
COMMENT:
You have an annoying pretentious habit of making obvious statements and presenting them as if they were deep and thoughtful. For instance, if you say "It rained, the grounds are wet" and I reply "no kidding!" ,then you answer: "oh, I wasn't joking". Amazing!

I don't see how my post was presented as deep and thoughtful. I was merely stating stating what I thought about the poster's comment. YOUR post on the other hand is exactly how you described mine. :retard:

You continue to reason with dimwitted fallacies. I don't know what kind of strange world you inhabit but in this real world tennis players are ranked and rated "purely by their talent/ability". Now how is this measured? Very simply, by the results achieved on court by the player in terms of W/L's.
That's all .Tennis has a very fair system of ratings: you win you get points, you win the whole thing you get the most points, you beat players above you you get bonus points, you lose you get nothing. In this way nobody is "overrated" or "underrated".

Interesting how you could completely understand why Kournikova could be characterized as overrated when JR says so, but when I make an argument that she's underated, all of a sudden nobody is underrated or overrated. :)

:Cris Senior: :anzela: :azza: :retard:

Martian Willow
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:26 AM
Commen:
Oh my god ! A philosopher here ! What a surprise.
It actually is a very good question for which only very recently, Neuroscience is providing answers. Without being an expert , summing up recent findings, I'd answer yes, desire is very important to talent/sroke ability, simply because it leads to the release of more adrenaline and dopamine in the brain which in turn leads to higher focus, accuracy, determination and endurance.
CS

I am a philosopher, thanks! :)

Unfortunately I was unable to deduce from your post whether you understand the fairly simple concept that a person may have the ability to do something, but not the desire. What does neuroscience have to say on this issue?

WhatTheDeuce
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:28 AM
I am a philosopher, thanks! :)

Unfortunately I was unable to deduce from your post whether you understand the fairly simple concept that a person may have the ability to do something, but not the desire. What does neuroscience have to say on this issue?
:haha:

I never know the the fuck he's talking about. :retard:

jean_genie
Jul 10th, 2005, 01:55 AM
I think Mirjana was not overrated at all. Immensely talented but unable to harness it into discipline for whatever reason. She indeed, hit the ball harder than any woman I've seen and at the last match I saw personally (Venus v. Mirjana USO), it was either winner or unforced error. Even Venus was ducking from the weight of shot but I think the hard-hitting thing is a footnote to the talent she possessed but is/was unable to translate into long standing results.

Cris Senior
Jul 10th, 2005, 02:18 AM
I am a philosopher, thanks! :)

Unfortunately I was unable to deduce from your post whether you understand the fairly simple concept that a person may have the ability to do something, but not the desire. What does neuroscience have to say on this issue?
COMMENT:
Neuroscience attributes this state of lack of desire to 1-Genetic deficiency of
lack of the required neurochemichals and 2-Persistent depressive flows due to lack of norepinephrne ,a dderivaive of adrenaline and dopamine. Standard prescription: Prozac, Paxil and any other anti-depressant.Rumours are quite a few players are on them. I'd say cognitive therapy is a better long term help.This is a growing field in Sports Psychology, especially in tennis.Any good academy has a staff of psy drs. these days.
CS

Cris Senior
Jul 10th, 2005, 02:26 AM
:haha:

I never know the the fuck he's talking about. :retard:
COMENT:
Given the blockhead you are, his doesn't surprise me.
I take this ,coming from a gross dumbo-focko like you, as a compliment.You are too much of an ignoramus bimbo to understand slightly abstract concepts.
And just out of curiosity, if you can't understand, how come you keep reading my posts? A contradiction, right?
By the way, you dimwit, he didn't say he didn't uinderstand me, but the other way round, that I didn't understand him, which was correct.

WhatTheDeuce
Jul 10th, 2005, 02:33 AM
COMENT:
Given the blockhead you are, his doesn't surprise me.
I take this ,coming from a gross dumbo-focko like you, as a compliment.You are too much of an ignoramus bimbo to understand slightly abstract concepts.
And just out of curiosity, if you can't understand, how come you keep reading my posts? A contradiction, right?
By the way, you dimwit, he didn't say he didn't uinderstand me, but the other way round, that I didn't understand him, which was correct.

Just like I'm a "gross dumbo-focko" (whatever the fuck that is :retard: ) for not understanding your freakish overanalyzing posts, the same can be said of you since you admittedly didn't understand Martian's post. Same logic, buddy.

And the fact that I cant understand your posts doesnt stop me from reading them. I actually get a good laugh out of their unnecessary complexity and idiocy. ;)

Cris Senior
Jul 10th, 2005, 02:51 AM
Just like I'm a "gross dumbo-focko" (whatever the fuck that is :retard: ) for not understanding your freakish overanalyzing posts, the same can be said of you since you admittedly didn't understand Martian's post. Same logic, buddy.

And the fact that I cant understand your posts doesnt stop me from reading them. I actually get a good laugh out of their unnecessary complexity and idiocy. ;)
COMMENT:
The "unnecessary complexity" is only in your feeble mind who can't process simple abstract concepts.As far as I concerned, they are rather simple.
I was being corteous to the Martian ,when I said I didn't "understood " him.I meant I looked at it from what I think is the right way. But I know that simplistic ignoramus brains like yours. can only see things literally, concretistically and matter of factedly, without gradations of colors, tonalities, irony and, much less, poetry or music. No wonder you think that calling Anna Kournikova's ass artistic is a case of overanalysis! You are the over-anal! Is this getting too heavy for you already? If not read Freud.
As from your posts, I can't say what you say of mine: that they make you laugh. Yours, only make me bored. You are a very pompous,boring popinjay and a JAFA! Your only saving grace, is that you are a cyber transvestite, a male posting under a female name. That makes me laugh.
Finally, you don't know what a dombo-focko is? Go to a mirror and look, then you'll find the answer, dumb fuck!
CS

AUSBOY
Jul 10th, 2005, 03:55 AM
THE WINNER IS MONIQUE VIELE!!!!


YOU CANT GO PAST HER! GIVEN A MAIN DRAW WILDCARD TO TIER 1 TOKYO AT AGE 14!! THERE WAS ENORMOUS HYPE AND PHOTO SHOOTS GALORE AND SHE BARELY WON A MATCH HER WHOLE CAREER AND FADED INTO OBLIVIUM!!!


Sure players like Lucic etc. never reached their potential on a consistant basis but to be top 50 isnt a failure! Especially when you have a Grand Slam title and reached Wimbledon semis! She's still had a few amazing results.

Cris Senior
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:09 AM
THE WINNER IS MONIQUE VIELE!!!!


YOU CANT GO PAST HER! GIVEN A MAIN DRAW WILDCARD TO TIER 1 TOKYO AT AGE 14!! THERE WAS ENORMOUS HYPE AND PHOTO SHOOTS GALORE AND SHE BARELY WON A MATCH HER WHOLE CAREER AND FADED INTO OBLIVIUM!!!


Sure players like Lucic etc. never reached their potential on a consistant basis but to be top 50 isnt a failure! Especially when you have a Grand Slam title and reached Wimbledon semis! She's still had a few amazing results.
Comment:
Lucic has a grand slam title? Where? On the Moon perhaps?

Gowza
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:32 AM
Comment:
Lucic has a grand slam title? Where? On the Moon perhaps?

doubles title, AO i think, with hingis?

bovina_forever
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:35 AM
HAD tons of talent. (Besides that, I agree with everything quoted). So how would YOU categorize the Blonde Bimbo? :lol:
better than you. why does every one think she was over rated she was ranked in the top ten and held 16 doubles titles and ranked number one in doudles, had a year end rank in top 15 3 years ina row (13, 12, 8) and a finalest at 4 WTA tournaments, which is better than another russian Petrova who was ranked higher then anna and does not have her own wta singles title also she is the highes ranked player with out a singles title.

Gowza
Jul 10th, 2005, 04:42 AM
most overrated, monique viele, she never showed us her potential (if she had any) at least the others have sowed a glimpse of their talent. lucic was not overrated but underperformed as many have already said, kournikova is similar, in singles didnt perform to her full potential but still showed us she had talent.

WhatTheDeuce
Jul 10th, 2005, 06:19 AM
COMMENT:
The "unnecessary complexity" is only in your feeble mind who can't process simple abstract concepts.As far as I concerned, they are rather simple.
I was being corteous to the Martian ,when I said I didn't "understood " him.I meant I looked at it from what I think is the right way. But I know that simplistic ignoramus brains like yours. can only see things literally, concretistically and matter of factedly, without gradations of colors, tonalities, irony and, much less, poetry or music. No wonder you think that calling Anna Kournikova's ass artistic is a case of overanalysis! You are the over-anal! Is this getting too heavy for you already? If not read Freud.
As from your posts, I can't say what you say of mine: that they make you laugh. Yours, only make me bored. You are a very pompous,boring popinjay and a JAFA! Your only saving grace, is that you are a cyber transvestite, a male posting under a female name. That makes me laugh.
Finally, you don't know what a dombo-focko is? Go to a mirror and look, then you'll find the answer, dumb fuck!
CS
:haha:

Okay Cris Senior!

JenFan75
Jul 10th, 2005, 06:30 AM
COMMENT:
The "unnecessary complexity" is only in your feeble mind who can't process simple abstract concepts.As far as I concerned, they are rather simple.
I was being corteous to the Martian ,when I said I didn't "understood " him.I meant I looked at it from what I think is the right way. But I know that simplistic ignoramus brains like yours. can only see things literally, concretistically and matter of factedly, without gradations of colors, tonalities, irony and, much less, poetry or music. No wonder you think that calling Anna Kournikova's ass artistic is a case of overanalysis! You are the over-anal! Is this getting too heavy for you already? If not read Freud.
As from your posts, I can't say what you say of mine: that they make you laugh. Yours, only make me bored. You are a very pompous,boring popinjay and a JAFA! Your only saving grace, is that you are a cyber transvestite, a male posting under a female name. That makes me laugh.
Finally, you don't know what a dombo-focko is? Go to a mirror and look, then you'll find the answer, dumb fuck!
CS

I don't think you should be questioning other people's intelligence when you fail at using simple grammar correctly and resort to using insults I would hear from my 8 year old brother