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furrykitten
Jul 8th, 2005, 06:48 PM
They say she cannpt play doubles very often because she to put all her energy into singles and isn't strong enough to do both. She should be full of energy at 18 and would love to see her permanently partner Maria Kirilenko in doubles certainly at all the Grand Slams. This would improve both Maria's in the long term with their volleys and other technical shots.

TF Chipmunk
Jul 8th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Well sometimes I think it's very evident that she gets sort of tired while playing singles too. I don't think we've ever seen her LOSE a match BECAUSE she was really tired but I think we can see it when she goes 3 sets in consecutive matches.

goldenlox
Jul 8th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Maria has reached at least the semis in 14 of her last 16 tournaments.
The other 2 were QF losses to Justine on red clay.
Maria doesn't have a strength "problem". She wants to get stronger to improve her game.

Fingon
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:08 PM
How many top singles players play doubles regularly?

Lindsay No
Venus No
Serena No
Justine No
Kim No
Elena No
Sveta sort of


Kim, Elena and Sveta used to play regularly but they soon find out it's too much. A players that gets consistently to semis and final cannot be playing doubles in a regular basis.

And it's a matter of priorities, singles is always more important, unless the player doesn't perform very well, the consistent good double teams normally are composed of players that although can do well in singles, they don't normally.

Look at what happened to Davenport at the Australian Open, she was exhausted and yet, she had to play doubles, she chose to play to not let her partner and friend down.

Why would a player that expects to win in single tire herself out too much and even risk an injury, the doubles is simply not worth it for top singles players, and with the tigh scheduling is not likely to change.

What would happen very often is that if a top players is doing well in the singles, they might pull out of doubles or at least not give it a full effort, that's unfair for their partners and the crowd, so I think it's better to not play altogether.

GorgeousMe!
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:27 PM
How many top singles players play doubles regularly?

Lindsay No
Venus No
Serena No
Justine No
Kim No
Elena No
Sveta sort of


Kim, Elena and Sveta used to play regularly but they soon find out it's too much. A players that gets consistently to semis and final cannot be playing doubles in a regular basis.

And it's a matter of priorities, singles is always more important, unless the player doesn't perform very well, the consistent good double teams normally are composed of players that although can do well in singles, they don't normally.

Look at what happened to Davenport at the Australian Open, she was exhausted and yet, she had to play doubles, she chose to play to not let her partner and friend down.

Why would a player that expects to win in single tire herself out too much and even risk an injury, the doubles is simply not worth it for top singles players, and with the tigh scheduling is not likely to change.

What would happen very often is that if a top players is doing well in the singles, they might pull out of doubles or at least not give it a full effort, that's unfair for their partners and the crowd, so I think it's better to not play altogether.
Asolutely. :worship: Look what happened to Lindsay when she played doubles at the AO this year. And I'm sure Hingis lost her penultimate AO final because she played doubles - she said herself she could hardly walk on the day of the final. And how many of the A list men play or played doubles? Federer? Agassi? Sampras? No. Because as you say, you can't do both these days. The Tour is too hard on the body now.

goldenlox
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:29 PM
Sveta still plays doubles at every major. And she would play more if Alicia were healthy.

Lindsay not only made the AO final in singles and doubles, she did the same in Tokyo.

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:38 PM
sharapova needs to strengthen up...both in her body and mind...thats for sure.....

abayen
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:34 PM
sharapova just doesn't believe in herself anymore... a player who so readily accepts defeat all the time will not even inspire any fear in her opponents anymore...

at their peak, graf, navratilova, seles, williams won a lot of their matches because the other player lost even before stepping on the court. they just went in with a huge psychological advantage.

sharapova, with all her i'm young and i have time to improve talk, has completely lost that mental edge.

i hope she plays the us hardcourt season with a meaner instinct. (and i really thought she had the same firepower in her as seles but it's been doused for a while now)


sharapova needs to strengthen up...both in her body and mind...thats for sure.....

goldenlox
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:39 PM
Maria has won 10 of her last 11 matches. She still believes in herself.
Last year, and early this year, she didn't play Justine and Venus in their good form.
Now, the competition is tougher at the top.

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:41 PM
sharapova just doesn't believe in herself anymore... a player who so readily accepts defeat all the time will not even inspire any fear in her opponents anymore...

at their peak, graf, navratilova, seles, williams won a lot of their matches because the other player lost even before stepping on the court. they just went in with a huge psychological advantage.

sharapova, with all her i'm young and i have time to improve talk, has completely lost that mental edge.

i hope she plays the us hardcourt season with a meaner instinct. (and i really thought she had the same firepower in her as seles but it's been doused for a while now)

yes i do agree with you...

abayen
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:45 PM
i dont agree. true the competition has gotten tougher. but the way she folded in the second set to venus doesnt speak much of a champion.

and let's not forget in those 10 matches she has barely beaten a quality player (other than Petrova maybe)

Maria has won 10 of her last 11 matches. She still believes in herself.
Last year, and early this year, she didn't play Justine and Venus in their good form.
Now, the competition is tougher at the top.

goldenlox
Jul 8th, 2005, 08:48 PM
Venus is a 25 year old who is a great player. Not good, great.
When Venus was off form, Maria could beat her.

furrykitten
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:17 PM
As beautiful as Maria does look in this picture she doesn't exactly look that strong to me, I don't want her following the Daniela path.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2646/u354p6t12d1652082f44dt20050706.jpg

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:24 PM
i dont agree. true the competition has gotten tougher. but the way she folded in the second set to venus doesnt speak much of a champion.

and let's not forget in those 10 matches she has barely beaten a quality player (other than Petrova maybe)

would be really interesting to see what may have happened had nadia swung that that first.......

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:28 PM
As beautiful as Maria does look in this picture she doesn't exactly look that strong to me, I don't want her following the Daniela path.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2646/u354p6t12d1652082f44dt20050706.jpg

i agree...it would be sad to watch any young player venture down that highway.....maybe she will fill out more within the next few years...i am more concerned about her mind though......i think thats the worst thing to have happnened to maria...not reaching her goal of at least making the final....she soooo desperately wanted to do this...i think its been her main aim all season...

faithtrueman
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:29 PM
Venus is a 25 year old who is a great player. Not good, great.
When Venus was off form, Maria could beat her.

how do we know venus was on form????...when she won at wimbledon...her years results do not show she was....

matthieu_tennis
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:31 PM
. During the match she never run alot before semi final 8 )

Volcana
Jul 8th, 2005, 09:41 PM
A strength/fitness 'problem'

Gee that's specific.

She generates as much pace as anyone on tour, so she doesn't have a strength problem in that respect.

She's 11-2 in three set matches this year. The losses were 8-6 inthe third to Serena, and 6-1 in the third to Schnyder at Rome, a result that likely more a mtter of surface and opponent's weapons.

I see no fitness problem at the match level.

Where strength may enter into the equation is form. Sharapova generates pace by being realy long, and having good, consistent form. But if you can make her hit off-form, that is, jam her, or make her hit on the run, the pace isn't there as much. She can't hit that ball all that hard with just her arm, or off balance. (Not that this is advisable.)

If her feet were faster, so she could get into position to hit faster, this problem wouldn't be so evident. We're also talking about the world #2. How many 'problems' can she have?

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 8th, 2005, 10:11 PM
Well the thing is Sharapova and Lindsay Davenport are not sprinters...and I think they tend to get tired faster than people who run fast such as the Williams Sisters, Henin, Clisters and Capriati. Those type of players can play doubles and not tire out...thats why they look so much stronger in 3rd sets. When the Williams Sisters played doubles..it actually helped their game because it was like an additional workout to help their singles game out.

TJL
Jul 8th, 2005, 11:07 PM
I'm sure there are players who are either stronger or can run longer, but most of the top players in either men's or women's tour don't play that many doubles. Strength is certainly something that Sharapova (and she has admitted this herself) needs to improve, but it would be unfair to say it is a problem. Like mentioned before, her pace is not exactly the slowest in the tour.

If I were her opponent I would wonder what happens if/when she indeed improves her strength. She's already number 2 and it would seem that if she get's to the ball on time she's pretty good already. Add some strength to her feet and she can get to the ball better and then add some power to her arms and she can hit the ball faster...

xan
Jul 9th, 2005, 01:18 AM
Maria has been working on her movement rather than her physical strength this year. She has admitted she needs a bit more power, particularly on her serve. Hopefully that will come. maria's groundstrokes are some of the hardest in the game, and doing this game after game is an energy-sapper.

As has been said most of the top players don't play doubles any more for the same reason. Nor did Steffi play doubles.

So not playing doubles must be a sign of greatness.

morningglory
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:46 AM
Really... I wouldn't call it a probelm, but I just can't help noticing... whenever Maria goes into a tournament and at the start they have her play one day and take the next off, she does ok... but when she has to play two matches in two days, she seems worn down in the second... Indian Wells was a good example of this, Robert Landsdorp said she looked fatigued (she had to play Pierce the day before playing Lindsay) Well maybe her stamina should be higher, but then again her brand of tennis consumes a lot of energy. But she's a growing girl, she'll do fine when her body matures.

ceiling_fan
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:16 AM
i don't think she has a problem, per se, but it's evident that she gets pretty tired in 3 setters and doesn 't handle that as well as most other players.

also, i agree when u say that sharapova isn't as "mentally tough" anymore. maybe it's because there has been tougher competition? but before the AO she came across to me as 'unbeatable', now i don't think she holds that anymore

Kart
Jul 9th, 2005, 12:38 PM
Sharapova should really consider doubles - not in a major tournament because as others have said she needs to conserve her energy.

In a smaller tournament I think she'd benefit from a bit of net skill practice. If she's not going to get any faster - which she probably isn't, it's the best way she's going to have of getting an edge on the Kim/Venus/Justines of this world that will make her play plenty more shots than she's used to.

tennnisfannn
Jul 9th, 2005, 02:48 PM
Maria is only 18 and has barely stopped growing and for one so tall, it is not easy. With time she will settle into her body. Taller girls tend to take alittle longer although their serve is a huge advantage for them.
As for strength she is about the streongest one on tour. If she has seemed tired, don't forget over the last eyar she has played 20 tournys, heaps more than most top players would play considering she usually goes deep into each tourny.

RenaSlam.
Jul 9th, 2005, 04:07 PM
She will get stronger. Give her time.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:36 PM
Honestly, there's only so much conditioning you can do to get in peak form. Maria will never be as acrobatic as Venus or Kim because those are natural strengths. Maria is a great athlete though, and moves very well for her height.

ys
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:38 PM
You can't get top conditioning while your body is still growing.. Masha will be fine, in a couple of years..

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:40 PM
You can't get top conditioning while your body is still growing.. Masha will be fine, in a couple of years..

She won't get much stronger unless she pumps weight. Most women are done growing by the age of 18. She'll never be among the top athletes on the tour (Venus, Kim, Serena, Justine, Capriait etc;)

Oneofakind0490
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:42 PM
She got really tired during the Australian Open. But that must have been the heat. There haven't been much matches she has got tired much this year.

andrewbroad
Aug 4th, 2005, 04:26 AM
I don't think Maria has a fitness-problem, but a lack of physical strength (which she makes up for with immaculate timing to produce flairsome power):

"I'm a tall girl, and grew quickly in a short space of time, so in a way I'm catching up with myself. Sometimes I feel my arm is like a swan's neck - so weak." [Wimbledon 2005]

It would be so cool to see the Super Maria Sisters play doubles at the Grand Slams, but realistically that's not going to happen as long as Big Maria expects to reach the second week of each major.

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