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JennyS
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:12 PM
I don't think either player should have reversed the call, since it is not their job. However, I find it baffling how much of a deal was made when Jen got a bad call and Venus did. So why is it that the two players got treated differently for the same situation?

Knizzle
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:13 PM
Jen was right in front of the ball and basically admitted after the match that she knew the ball was in and the call went against Serena then tried to justify it by saying she had calls go against her in the past and she deserved some calls to go for her now. Don't even try to act as if this is the same.

jamatthews
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:14 PM
Because Venus is likeable? :angel:

AkademiQ
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:17 PM
Jen was right in front of the ball and basically admitted after the match that she knew the ball was in and the call went against Serena then tried to justify it by saying she had calls go against her in the past and she deserved some calls to go for her now. Don't even try to act as if this is the same.

It wasn't even the call itself, her attitude was stank. That's what drew most of the criticism. The rest went to the person who deserved it, the ump.

CJ07
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:18 PM
I think Venus could have said something, as it was an awful call, but Serenas was worse. I mean, that was rediculous.

tennisbum79
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:21 PM
Simple
The ball was not on Venus side of the court. In Capriati case, not only was the ball was at her nose, but she behaves like she knew that ball was in and yet refused to acknowledge it.

JennyS
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:22 PM
I just added a poll to this topic.

Paneru
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:30 PM
Jen was right in front of the ball and basically admitted after the match that she knew the ball was in and the call went against Serena then tried to justify it by saying she had calls go against her in the past and she deserved some calls to go for her now. Don't even try to act as if this is the same.

Exactly!

Not to mention that she was on the other end
of the court and chalk flew up so how is one
to assume she knew it was in or out?

If they are supposed to know,
then why do they have line's people?

Furthermore, The umpire was right
on top of the line.

This situation isn't the same though
some are trying to act as if it is.

JennyS
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:31 PM
It's always funny how people always find a reason why Jen was more wrong than other players for doing the same thing.

I find it so amusing that people ridicule Jen for her "so what, I got a bad call, it's part of the game wink wink, I get crappy calls all the time, it was my turn, hahahahaha!!!." That's probably what every single player who knows they got a bad call in their favor thinks but doesn't discuss! Like Venus DIDN'T know she got a call in her favor?

The thing is Jen doesn't calculate her words or say something just to sound good. Could she have said, "I didn't see if the ball was out, it's too bad that had to happen, but bad calls happen and it's unfortunate," like some of the other players, but why not just be herself and tell the truth. If people actually think that most top players who don't ask the ump to change a call in their opponents favor DON'T know they are getting a break, I can't believe it.

calabar
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:42 PM
I was extremely critical of my fellow Williams fans regarding the Serena-Capriati "incident". I felt then as I do now that all this call for instant replay was waaaaay overblown. Serena Williams was NOT the first (nor will she be the last) victim of bad calls. The undeniable fact is that BAD CALLS DO HAPPEN. And all of us tennis fans need to accept that fact and shut the hell up.

tennisbum79
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:44 PM
It's always funny how people always find a reason why Jen was more wrong than other players for doing the same thing.

I find it so amusing that people ridicule Jen for her "so what, I got a bad call, it's part of the game wink wink, I get crappy calls all the time, it was my turn, hahahahaha!!!." That's probably what every single player who knows they got a bad call in their favor thinks but doesn't discuss! Like Venus DIDN'T know she got a call in her favor?

The thing is Jen doesn't calculate her words or say something just to sound good. Could she have said, "I didn't see if the ball was out, it's too bad that had to happen, but bad calls happen and it's unfortunate," like some of the other players, but why not just be herself and tell the truth. If people actually think that most top players who don't ask the ump to change a call in their opponents favor DON'T know they are getting a break, I can't believe it.

Those consideration could be a factor. However, contrasting Venus vs Linddsey againist Capriati vs Serena, Venus clearly could not have seen where the ball landed. Carpriati could and did see the ball.

In addition, posters make their own judgement based on past history.
They know it ould be out of character for Venus to try get something she did not deserve. Besides, except for an occasional short look at or a gingerly walk to service line, Venus never argues a point.

Posters would keep all those factors in mind when deciding to comment on contentious situation.

Helen Lawson
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:45 PM
I love shit-stirring topics like this. It's why I really can never stay away from the board for too long. I gave a shit-stirring answer, too!

Black Mamba.
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:45 PM
Her response afterwards is what ticked lots of people off. She knew it was in and her response was "Well I deserve some calls sometime".

AkademiQ
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:48 PM
I was extremely critical of my fellow Williams fans regarding the Serena-Capriati "incident". I felt then as I do now that all this call for instant replay was waaaaay overblown. Serena Williams was NOT the first (nor will she be the last) victim of bad calls. The undeniable fact is that BAD CALLS DO HAPPEN. And all of us tennis fans need to accept that fact and shut the hell up.

Can you shut the hell up for all of us :confused:

TeamUSA#1
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:51 PM
Her response afterwards is what ticked lots of people off. She knew it was in and her response was "Well I deserve some calls sometime".


Sure, but to be fair, that reporter really put her on the spot with that question..... It wasn't Jen's responsibility to call the lines... the reporter should have been asking that question of the umpie not Jen.....

V-MAC
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:52 PM
:yawn: at this thread. why bother opening up a can of worms that should be fully forgotten about at this stage?! :(

Knizzle
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:52 PM
Let's add to the fact that Capriati tried to keep a point from a wrong score called out by Lynn Welsh in her next match against Dementieva and argued when the score was corrected. Venus and Jen are two entirely different people which is why Jen got blasted for what she did.

venus_rulez
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:55 PM
Not to mention how hypocritical it was of Jennifer to not correct an obviously wrong call when she herself has dropped the f bomb and blown up about calls she felt was wrong.

tennisbum79
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:57 PM
I was extremely critical of my fellow Williams fans regarding the Serena-Capriati "incident". I felt then as I do now that all this call for instant replay was waaaaay overblown. Serena Williams was NOT the first (nor will she be the last) victim of bad calls. The undeniable fact is that BAD CALLS DO HAPPEN. And all of us tennis fans need to accept that fact and shut the hell up.

As a Wlliams fan myself, I do not think we need an instant replay, we already have enough machinery in tennis,
However I respectfully and strongly disagree with your contention that tennis need to accept that fact and shut the hell up.
I think people have the right and obligation to voice their objection when the officiating is bad. This does help the tennis organizing commitees keep stay on top of things and improve areas of shortcommings.

Do you really think they should have kept quiet Venus vs Sprem incident?
Or Serena vs Capriati? Or Venus vs Lindsey?

It is true that Jennifer gets a lot of criticism, some of it undeserved. However,
I don't think fans should moderate their criticism of the officials. This is the only way, correction can me made.
I don't think if the fan had kep quiete, any action would have been taken against the referee in Serena vs Jennisfer and Venus vs Sprem.

faboozadoo15
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:58 PM
Jen was right in front of the ball and basically admitted after the match that she knew the ball was in and the call went against Serena then tried to justify it by saying she had calls go against her in the past and she deserved some calls to go for her now. Don't even try to act as if this is the same.
venus knew her ball was out just as much as jen knew serena's ball was in. watch the damn tape!

S-T-E-V-E
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:59 PM
The matches are over and finished...totally ridiculos to discuss it..

Knizzle
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:00 PM
venus knew her ball was out just as much as jen knew serena's ball was in. watch the damn tape!

I believe that Venus thought her ball MIGHT be out, but from the other side of the court how can you be so sure?? It's just like sometimes Venus serves a big serve and thinks it's out and the ball comes back and she's not ready to hit it cause she thought her own serve was long. Fortunately the ball didn't come back over so she didn't make that mistake once again.

SelesFan70
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:07 PM
Players are usually wrong about the line calls anyways. Maybe 5% of the time they are correct. :tape:

Dawn Marie
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:13 PM
Jen has a bad oncourt attitude and frankly it earned her many a loss. Her attitude was pathetic and karma got her in the end for it. When Justine beat her it took alot of confidence away from her.

P.S. I do miss Jen and want her back healthy cause she is a good player with a bad attitude. I need her to cheer against. Hingis is gone I need Jen.:)

Seriously, I can't stand how Jen argues and lashes out on bad calls. Or how she tried to gain a point.. I don't like her on court style. I actually think it would benefit her if she let calls go and played the ball. Alot of times when she goes nuts about a call, whether it was in her favor or not she loses focus. This usually helps Serena but not players like Jen. Oh fuck this.

Venus won Wimbeldon and I am still high.

*Karen*
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:28 PM
It's not Jens Job to say whether a ball is in our out. At the end of the day when you're trying to win a match at the us open you take any point you're given. Serena would've done the same thing had it been the other way round.

Jenny.C.Fan
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:41 PM
The players dont call the lines the lines judges and umpires do, i'd like to think everyone gets their equal share of bad calls and it evens itself out in the end. Both calls were bad but nobody else was in their situation so we can't criticise them or say that any other player wouldve done any differently. One bad thing to come out of the serena vs jen match is the video replays now maybe being brought in which although will make the game fairer and accurate i feel will take away the controversy and the edge in the game.

DevilishAttitude
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:42 PM
Cos it's Venus and the people who complain most are Williams fans so when she does it it's fine. When Jen does it against a Williams sister she's a bitch and a bad sportsman.

Dawn Marie = :retard: One of the stupidest posts I've read.

Knizzle Jen had every right to complain. If you heard someone call a score to your advantage and then change it you'd be annoyed surely wouldn't you?

Knizzle
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:43 PM
Cos it's Venus and the people who complain most are Williams fans so when she does it it's fine. When Jen does it against a Williams sister she's a bitch and a bad sportsman.

Dawn Marie = :retard: One of the stupidest posts I've read.

Knizzle Jen had every right to complain. If you heard someone call a score to your advantage and then change it you'd be annoyed surely wouldn't you?

I wouldn't use the F word and put up a huge stink when I know I'd lost the point and the ump fixed the score, as a matter of fact I'd tell the ump that she got the score wrong if I'd realized it.

calabar
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:43 PM
As a Wlliams fan myself, I do not think we need an instant replay, we already have enough machinery in tennis,
However I respectfully and strongly disagree with your contention that tennis need to accept that fact and shut the hell up.
I think people have the right and obligation to voice their objection when the officiating is bad. This does help the tennis organizing commitees keep stay on top of things and improve areas of shortcommings.

Do you really think they should have kept quiet Venus vs Sprem incident?
Or Serena vs Capriati? Or Venus vs Lindsey?

It is true that Jennifer gets a lot of criticism, some of it undeserved. However,
I don't think fans should moderate their criticism of the officials. This is the only way, correction can me made.
I don't think if the fan had kep quiete, any action would have been taken against the referee in Serena vs Jennisfer and Venus vs Sprem.

First of all I do believe the Venus-Sprem issue is entirely unique and different and should not be thrown in with the LINE CALL incidents. Now as far as the Serena-Capriati issue which is where al hell broke loose, I still believe waay too much was made of that match. I have tons of matches on video of both Venus and Serena where they have both been victimised and benefited from bad calls. And sometimes these bad call do occur in "high profile" matches. But what really angered me were these assinine calls by some williams fans that the calls against Serena were part of some conspiracy bullshit.

Look, if the ITF wants to pursue instant replay for ALL levels of the sport (meaning tier 4 all the way up to the Slams), that's fine with me. I have nothing against technology being applied evenly accross the board. But until that happens, we all need to tone down the conspiracy rhetoric and accept the fact that humans make mistakes. And sometimes the mistakes help the Williams Sisters as well as hurt them....just like everybody else.

Volcana
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:44 PM
What rational person expects a player to call the service lines on the FAR side of the court, overuling Cyclops, the linesman, the chair umpire and flying chalk?

The situations simply aren't analogous.

SJW
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:45 PM
Her response afterwards is what ticked lots of people off. She knew it was in and her response was "Well I deserve some calls sometime".
right. that was annoying.

StarDuvallGrant
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:45 PM
I thought people were upset about Jen's remarks and attitude when interviewed. Not the actual line call itself :shrug:

SJW
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:47 PM
Knizzle Jen had every right to complain. If you heard someone call a score to your advantage and then change it you'd be annoyed surely wouldn't you?
not if it was right. :)
Lynn had the balls to correct her call. which takes guts.

Martian Willow
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:49 PM
The serve was wide, not long...Cyclops has nothing to do with it. Venus was standing in the middle of the court looking down the centre line. :)

nash
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Instant replay with a limited number of player "challenges" per match would solve all of the issues and we wouldn't even need to be arguing about this...

TeamUSA#1
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:02 PM
Let's add to the fact that Capriati tried to keep a point from a wrong score called out by Lynn Welsh in her next match against Dementieva and argued when the score was corrected. Venus and Jen are two entirely different people which is why Jen got blasted for what she did.


Oh God, not this sh*% again..... If everyone would stop and read the rules of tennis, it states that if a score is miscalled and the players do not recognize it at that time and subsequent play occurs the score stands.... That was the point of Jen making an arguement...... you cant 2 points later realize you fucked up the score and then try to correct it when further play has occurred.

How many people here have been so into a match they didn't know the score because they were concentrating so hard on the game at hand??? Could of the same thing happened here for both Jen and Elena D???

SJW
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Oh God, not this sh*% again..... If everyone would stop and read the rules of tennis, it states that if a score is miscalled and the players do not recognize it at that time and subsequent play occurs the score stands.... That was the point of Jen making an arguement...... you cant 2 points later realize you fucked up the score and then try to correct it when further play has occurred.

How many people here have been so into a match they didn't know the score because they were concentrating so hard on the game at hand??? Could of the same thing happened here for both Jen and Elena D???
2 points later? i thought she corrected straight away.
i must pay more attention in future :)

Knizzle
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:05 PM
Oh God, not this sh*% again..... If everyone would stop and read the rules of tennis, it states that if a score is miscalled and the players do not recognize it at that time and subsequent play occurs the score stands.... That was the point of Jen making an arguement...... you cant 2 points later realize you fucked up the score and then try to correct it when further play has occurred.

So what action was taken against Welsh for correcting the score?? Why did Jen have to use the F word to get her point across??



How many people here have been so into a match they didn't know the score because they were concentrating so hard on the game at hand??? Could of the same thing happened here for both Jen and Elena D???

If Jen wasn't paying attention to the score then she wouldn't have complained about it being corrected now would she??

Knizzle
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:05 PM
2 points later? i thought she corrected straight away.
i must pay more attention in future :)

I think it was one point later.

TeamUSA#1
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:15 PM
So what action was taken against Welsh for correcting the score?? Why did Jen have to use the F word to get her point across??


TENNIS IS PLAYED ON A COURT, NOT IN CHURCH




If Jen wasn't paying attention to the score then she wouldn't have complained about it being corrected now would she??


Actually if you just won the point and the score was 30-15 you would logically expect the score to be 40-15. When the ump calles the score 30-30, you are going to question it. Try to connect the dots next time

pcrtennis
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:18 PM
Serena's shot was like 6 inches in, comparing these two incidents is a joke!!!!

SJW
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:23 PM
well now, JennyS, maybe its not "so much more" criticism after all :)

TeamUSA#1
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:24 PM
Serena's shot was like 6 inches in, comparing these two incidents is a joke!!!!


No doubt Serena's shot was way in, but not even close to 6 inches in :lol:
It was in by not even the width a one single tennis ball---that's 1 1/2 inche s at best.. Funny how these stories take on a life of their own..

Knizzle
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:25 PM
You act as if it's just the people on this board, the press also took notice of the Serena/Jen match, but notice they don't say anything about the LD/Venus match in that regard. You think the media has something against Jen also??

TeamUSA#1
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:38 PM
You act as if it's just the people on this board, the press also took notice of the Serena/Jen match, but notice they don't say anything about the LD/Venus match in that regard. You think the media has something against Jen also??


Not at all, I think the media found a great example to pump up the AutoRef scenario. The media never focused on Jen being a "poor sport" or anything like that.... in fact most said it wasn't her responsibility nor did she do anything wrong, but that it was the Umpires job to get it right.

JennyS
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:45 PM
I think this thread has proven my point. The people who bashed Jen are either Williams fans or Jen haters. Look at the way people say she was desperate to get that point in the SF like she is a known dirty player/scoundrel. How often does she take random injury timeouts? Or scream "come on!" when her opponent makes a bad unforced error? Or spit at an opponent, etc?!!!

There have been so many damn bad calls and the fact that Jen was singled out is wrong and unfair. The fact that she was asked an idiotic question about the call afterwards was stupid and unfair.

I just get annoyed that every time I see a horrendous call, I always think back to Jen. If the same thing happened to Venus or Serena, their fans would be very upset to hear their fave get bashed while others don't.

The fact that the call came in the first game of the third set doesn't seem to matter either.

tennisbum79
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:54 PM
First of all I do believe the Venus-Sprem issue is entirely unique and different and should not be thrown in with the LINE CALL incidents. Now as far as the Serena-Capriati issue which is where al hell broke loose, I still believe waay too much was made of that match. I have tons of matches on video of both Venus and Serena where they have both been victimised and benefited from bad calls. And sometimes these bad call do occur in "high profile" matches. But what really angered me were these assinine calls by some williams fans that the calls against Serena were part of some conspiracy bullshit.

Look, if the ITF wants to pursue instant replay for ALL levels of the sport (meaning tier 4 all the way up to the Slams), that's fine with me. I have nothing against technology being applied evenly accross the board. But until that happens, we all need to tone down the conspiracy rhetoric and accept the fact that humans make mistakes. And sometimes the mistakes help the Williams Sisters as well as hurt them....just like everybody else.
I am not sure why you say Venus-Sprem incident is different, but I'll give you that w/o arguing even though I do not agree your assertion.



You have no disagreement from me about some fans pointing to conspiracy; I do not think it was.

However, stating that you are angered by talk of conspiracy, at the same time willing to dismiss criticism on a bad call on a key point in a high profile match is disturbing and misplaced.

You attitude that people just need to shut up and move on because human being make mistakes is rather presumptuous and arrogant.

Not diminish it, but I think it was only a very small minority of W fans who suggested the conspiracy angle. The majority of the fans were voicing their objection against the referee for not making the call. Some commentators (Pam and MJF) and Venus fans even criticizing Venus herself for not raising objection.



I think your anger is rather misplaced and uncalled for

magassi
Jul 6th, 2005, 08:33 PM
Venus' serve was at least 2 tennis balls wide -- much more "out" than Serena's ball was "in." Venus knew her serve was out and didn't say anything -- and she was right and so was Jenn. Players don't make line calls, line judges do.

SJW
Jul 6th, 2005, 08:34 PM
Or scream "come on!" when her opponent makes a bad unforced error? .
you've obviously never seen a Jen-Serena match :lol:

:)

Kabezya
Jul 6th, 2005, 08:41 PM
You act as if it's just the people on this board, the press also took notice of the Serena/Jen match, but notice they don't say anything about the LD/Venus match in that regard. You think the media has something against Jen also??

The media must have something against poor singled out Jen. They too must be Williams fans or Jen haters. Go figure http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/Seressia/smiley_violin.gif

hablo
Jul 6th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Let's add to the fact that Capriati tried to keep a point from a wrong score called out by Lynn Welsh in her next match against Dementieva and argued when the score was corrected. Venus and Jen are two entirely different people which is why Jen got blasted for what she did.

I remember that!!! I couldn't believe my eyes and ears :haha:

unbelievable and this right after what had happened with Serena!!!! :tape:

Stamp Paid
Jul 6th, 2005, 09:17 PM
Because Jen = :rolleyes::fiery::bitch::drink::banghead::bs::reta rd::armed::shout:

JennyS
Jul 6th, 2005, 09:58 PM
Venus' serve was at least 2 tennis balls wide -- much more "out" than Serena's ball was "in." Venus knew her serve was out and didn't say anything -- and she was right and so was Jenn. Players don't make line calls, line judges do.

Nice post. Too bad so many people ignore these facts.

Diesel
Jul 6th, 2005, 10:01 PM
Nice post. Too bad so many people ignore these facts.

Serena said that call didn't determine the outcome of the match. Jen has been vindicated by of all people her opponent. Shouldn't that be the figure that makes things okay for you? What power the fans must have if their opinions matter more than the two people let alone the person who was wronged by the umpire.

Rollo
Jul 6th, 2005, 10:52 PM
IMO it comes down to class.

Venus has "class" while Jennifer doesn't.


When was the last time anyone heard Venus spouting off four letter cuss words on court?

Yeah-I thought so-----next!!!!!!!!!!!!

P. S. Even though she's "class-challenged" Jen IS one of my favs

sartrista7
Jul 6th, 2005, 10:53 PM
Venus knew perfectly well her serve was wide - she was turning to get the second service ball while everyone else was waiting for the "out" call. It didn't come, Venus did what 99% of players would have done and gratefully accepted her free point. Possibly she even thought she had been mistaken about where the ball landed. Nothing wrong with what she did at all.

Jennifer knew perfectly well Serena's ball was in - the replay showed her looking directly at it. If it had stopped there, fine - 99% of players would accept their free point and move on. Where Jennifer overstepped the mark was in her tacky, classless comments afterwards: lying about what she'd seen and then justifying it :retard: And then following it up in her next match with a disgusting display of attempting to steal points which were not hers from Dementieva :o

selking
Jul 6th, 2005, 10:54 PM
that match from jen rocked

volta
Jul 6th, 2005, 10:59 PM
oh Lord just another topic so that every1 can fight against every1 :o

they could have both said a thing they didnīt so?? donīt blame them blame the umpires cuz itīs there job

backhanddtl4
Jul 6th, 2005, 11:08 PM
Jen said Serena won the game afterwards, when it was actually not true. The call was also a groundstroke, which was easy, and........the linesman didn't call it out, the chair umpire overruled a ball and said, "out" to a ball that was at least 2 inches inside the line. Also, this bad call actually affected the outcome of the match, when the call on Venus' serve didn't.

harloo
Jul 6th, 2005, 11:33 PM
Jen is injured and not on tour and the only thing one of her fans can come up with is a bad point in her career. Jen's attitude about the incident where she recieved 4 or 5 bad calls in her favor against Serena(when the shots were clearly in) was the thing that was criticized the most.

You cannot even compare the Wimbledon final to that match at all, and I am pretty sure you know their is no comparison. You are just trying to start some drama. ROTF!!

Your best bet is to pray that Jen can make a comeback because it will be tough. The level has improved since she's been gone. LMAO:lol:

harloo
Jul 6th, 2005, 11:35 PM
that match from jen rocked

and then was rocked in the semis by dementieva.:tape: :lol:

jenny161185
Jul 7th, 2005, 12:25 AM
if theres nothing to talk about on the issue why begin bashing Jen knizzle, with such crap like don t even compare Venus to Jennifer, I dont give a crap what you think about Jen shes a great person with a great heart so go and post your useless rubbish about some other player elsewhere.

Knizzle
Jul 7th, 2005, 12:28 AM
if theres nothing to talk about on the issue why begin bashing Jen knizzle, with such crap like don t even compare Venus to Jennifer, I dont give a crap what you think about Jen shes a great person with a great heart so go and post your useless rubbish about some other player elsewhere.

I didn't start this thread.

jenny161185
Jul 7th, 2005, 12:28 AM
Let's add to the fact that Capriati tried to keep a point from a wrong score called out by Lynn Welsh in her next match against Dementieva and argued when the score was corrected. Venus and Jen are two entirely different people which is why Jen got blasted for what she did.

Heres the quote if your wondering what Im talking about

Knizzle
Jul 7th, 2005, 12:29 AM
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Heres the quote if your wondering what Im talking about

It's the truth.

jenny161185
Jul 7th, 2005, 12:31 AM
the truth yeah because you really know Venus and Jennifer inside out , grow up

Knizzle
Jul 7th, 2005, 12:39 AM
the truth yeah because you really know Venus and Jennifer inside out , grow up

I guess you do also.

bigshow21
Jul 7th, 2005, 03:50 AM
Her response afterwards is what ticked lots of people off. She knew it was in and her response was "Well I deserve some calls sometime".

Honestly, what is wrong with saying that? Tell me what she should have said...and be realistic. That is how she felt and every other player would have said the same thing. I don't find anything wrong with it.

As a diehard Jen fan, I admit that the two incidents between Jen and Venus are different and can't be compared. I also didn't like what Jen did with the scoring, but I don't care that she did it and I understand why she did. A lot of other players probably would have done the same thing. But Jen's interview after the Serena match, seemed perfectly fine. Yeah, she might have seen the ball in or out..I don't know, but what was she going to say? I mean, come on now. I think people are just finding excuses for anything to not like Jen.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 7th, 2005, 05:18 AM
Why are people even comparing these two scenarios. Lindsay's bad call was at 15-0 Venus serving. Serena's bad call was at deuce and gave Jen a break point. Plus there were other bad calls towards the end of the match if I remember correctly. Keep in mind that Jen won that match 6-4 in the 3rd set.....which means she won it being up only one break...the break that she got with the bad line call.

RenaSlam.
Jul 7th, 2005, 02:39 PM
Stupid thread.

TeamUSA#1
Jul 7th, 2005, 02:55 PM
Why are people even comparing these two scenarios. Lindsay's bad call was at 15-0 Venus serving. Serena's bad call was at deuce and gave Jen a break point. Plus there were other bad calls towards the end of the match if I remember correctly. Keep in mind that Jen won that match 6-4 in the 3rd set.....which means she won it being up only one break...the break that she got with the bad line call.


Actually, Serena saved that break point. And then went on to break Jennifer in the next game. And then Serena lost her serve again in the 3rd game of the the 3rd set--- it was that break that stuck the rest of the match and gave Jennifer the win.......

Experimentee
Jul 7th, 2005, 02:57 PM
Venus did get bashed for it. Havent you seen the thread? :rolleyes:

Anyway the Capriati situation was worse because she was closer to the ball, the call was wrong by more, and afterwards admitted she knew. And also Jen argues calls often, Venus usually does not question any decision. She got a point taken off her last year but didnt say anything, so how is she supposed to be looking out for her opponent when she doesnt even look out for herself?
But I agree with you that its not the players obligation to correct calls, that is the linespeople and the umpires jobs.

TeamUSA#1
Jul 7th, 2005, 03:02 PM
Your best bet is to pray that Jen can make a comeback because it will be tough. The level has improved since she's been gone. LMAO:lol:


The level is better???? PLEASE :lol: :retard: :retard: The level is the same,..... no of the young guns, save Maria S., are doing anything, Serena has played crap since the AO, .....the only change in the level of play is that JHH is back winning titles and slams....

TeamUSA#1
Jul 7th, 2005, 03:08 PM
Players are there to win matches... not officiate them---- let the people who are PAID to call the matches be responsible for their actions, not the players...... none of these players have a responsibility to call the lines, nor correct line call/score errors in their favor, nor should they be asked about it in interviews, ask the officials

SOMEONE PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD ALREADY!!!!!!

selking
Jul 7th, 2005, 07:39 PM
and then was rocked in the semis by dementieva.:tape: :lol:

But she did beat serena :bounce::woohoo:

DA FOREHAND
Jul 7th, 2005, 08:07 PM
So what action was taken against Welsh for correcting the score?? Why did Jen have to use the F word to get her point across??





If Jen wasn't paying attention to the score then she wouldn't have complained about it being corrected now would she??
there were no other points played, and Jen doesn't know many other words?

CoolDude7
Jul 7th, 2005, 08:10 PM
You can't compare a first service wrong call that took place on the other side of the net, with Jen Circumstances. Venus won that service game like 40-15! Anyway. She could have given Davenport that point, even though SHE STILL HAD A SECOND SERVE!

Geisha
Jul 7th, 2005, 10:47 PM
There are many, I mean, many reasons to why the calls weren't treated the same way by the public.

1) Venus hit a 100+ MPH serve, not a groundstroke. The ball was clearly wide, but it wasn't even long, so just the thought of everyone saying that it was WAY out, is crazy. If the ball was way out, the crowd would have gotten on the umpire a lot more than they did. I mean, I must question four or five serves a match against my opponents and they are barely going at 40 MPH- maybe 45 MPH, not 100.

2) Serena's shot was on Jennifer's side of the court and everybody, Jen included, had 99.9% belief that it was inside of the line. The crowd started booing because Jen wasn't saying anything and the fact that the umpire was wretched.

3) The last time I remember watching that US Open QF 04 fiasco, I remembered that there was definitely not only ONE call that went against Serena. There were three in the final game alone- Jennifer hit a second serve long and it wasn't called. Serena hit a groundstroke on the baseline and it WAS called out, and there was another one that I don't remember at this time.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 7th, 2005, 10:50 PM
Actually, Serena saved that break point. And then went on to break Jennifer in the next game. And then Serena lost her serve again in the 3rd game of the the 3rd set--- it was that break that stuck the rest of the match and gave Jennifer the win.......

That's the thing, they would've been on serve at 5-5 not 5-4 Jen serving.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 7th, 2005, 10:53 PM
But she did beat serena :bounce::woohoo:

It's sucks though that Jen folded in the next round. Had Serena won that match she'd have won the US Open. She ownz both Kuznetsova and Dementieva, especially Dementieva.