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icequeen
Jul 5th, 2005, 11:04 PM
During the final when vee was making all the forehand winners she said that "her forehand holds up better on grass". Could someone please explain that to me? Because that theory does not make sence to me.

*hingis_forever*
Jul 5th, 2005, 11:10 PM
I seem to remember her saying that on grass because of the faster ball speed that Venus just has to react to hitting her forehand instead of having to think too much of technique or something like that! :confused:

Oneofakind0490
Jul 5th, 2005, 11:13 PM
Didn't Venus change her forehand grip becuase she wanted to win Wimbledon and have a grip for grass? That may be the reason why it holds up on grass.

spartanfan
Jul 5th, 2005, 11:36 PM
Does anyone know what Mary Carillo's best result at a GS was when she played? Cause she sure does have the solution for every players problems, yet couldn't figure out how to play herself.

RVD
Jul 5th, 2005, 11:37 PM
During the final when vee was making all the forehand winners she said that "her forehand holds up better on grass". Could someone please explain that to me? Because that theory does not make sence to me.That woman often says things that don't make sense. :shrug:
I also posted a "What did she mean when she said..." thread, and no one could provide an adequate answer. :rolleyes:
I swear the woman is as contradictory as Ying and Yang. :lol:

Here we have a respected commentator who just says 'stuff' and expects intelligent people to simply accept it as the truth. How embarrassing. :o

WorldWar24
Jul 5th, 2005, 11:39 PM
I guess it has to do with the lower ball bounce, and the fact that on grass she doesn't have to hit so many forehands in a row to the point she starts missing, and doubting herself. She still missed quite a few, but since on grass she can go for it instead of slugging it out from the baseline, like can happen on clay and hardcourt, the errors didn't sabbotage her game this time around. She didn't give her opponents time to exploit her forehand until it broke down

henree
Jul 5th, 2005, 11:44 PM
Carillo was right. Because of the speed and pace of the ball on grass, it helps Venus in two ways.
1. Pace helps give Venus control on the forehand.
2. The ball coming in so fast helps Venus because she has less time to think. I have seen many times over the past two years where a floater comes in to the center of the court. Venus has an eternity to think of what she wants to do with the ball. And she dumps into the net. Sometines having too much time to think can throw off the timing of your swing. With Venus's huge back swing and early preperation, more time to think often hurts her, and she isn't able to establish a forehand groundstroke rythm. Pace helps Venus develop a rythm. I hope I was clear there. I play tennis in real life, and people who don't play, may not know about how a lack of pace can be tougher to deal with, then a ball hit fast and hard.

Serendy Willick
Jul 5th, 2005, 11:48 PM
Does anyone know what Mary Carillo's best result at a GS was when she played? Cause she sure does have the solution for every players problems, yet couldn't figure out how to play herself.


No Singles Titles

1 Mixed GS title

mykarma
Jul 5th, 2005, 11:50 PM
Does anyone know what Mary Carillo's best result at a GS was when she played? Cause she sure does have the solution for every players problems, yet couldn't figure out how to play herself.
Ain't that the damn truth.

Dawn Marie
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:10 AM
Lol, If this were really true then Mary Carillo would have stated that Venus's forehand would not be a liabilty for her at Wimbeldon. .


She only stated this because Venus's forehand held up to beat Pierce,Sharapova and Davenport.

I actually had the volume turned up because Mary was so quiet during the final.

Infiniti2001
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:21 AM
Here's Mary :p
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tennisbum79
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:26 AM
As she has grown more confident as a tennis commentator, so she has become more authoritaive in tone and bold in her assertion.
However, when reality does not seem to support her authoritaitve assertion,
she has a way of wiggling out by finding some weak explanation.
She has never acknowledged when she is wrong. She just goes to something else.

We all remember the refrain during the WS domination, "when playing the sisters, just center the ball". She is even more adamant about "centering the ball" when Venus palying Jennifer, her favorite.

One more observation about Mary.

cartmancop
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:33 AM
I actually had the volume turned up because Mary was so quiet during the final.

:lol: I noticed the same thing.... Whatshisname ;) talked the entire time from 6-5 2nd set until the end, while I guess Mary was sulking in the corner I don't know. I don't think she had a Plan B of what to say if Venus were to show up ready to play :D She was talking alot, well no more than normal but....and once Lindsay dropped serve @ love & lost the set in the TB she didn't have anything to say :tape: .... I forgot to ask if anyone else had noticed the silence & the fact that that guy, whose name escapes my mind @ the moment, practically talked to himself for the remainder of the match. Where was John Mcenroe....was he in there???

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:34 AM
Mary is just digusting.

CJ07
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:36 AM
Ted Robinson was the only voice in that booth when Venus was winning for sure.
John MCEnroe has done the final with the BBC since 2003.

Rory81
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:37 AM
...And after Venus's forehand was holding up, she suggested that opponents to hit to the backhand because it "may" be weaker.

mykarma
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:50 AM
Lol, If this were really true then Mary Carillo would have stated that Venus's forehand would not be a liabilty for her at Wimbeldon. .


She only stated this because Venus's forehand held up to beat Pierce,Sharapova and Davenport.

I actually had the volume turned up because Mary was so quiet during the final.The first game that mouth was running a mile a minute, after that I also turned the volume up. :lol: :lol: :lol:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:53 AM
:lol: I noticed the same thing.... Whatshisname ;) talked the entire time from 6-5 2nd set until the end, while I guess Mary was sulking in the corner I don't know. I don't think she had a Plan B of what to say if Venus were to show up ready to play :D She was talking alot, well no more than normal but....and once Lindsay dropped serve @ love & lost the set in the TB she didn't have anything to say :tape: .... I forgot to ask if anyone else had noticed the silence & the fact that that guy, whose name escapes my mind @ the moment, practically talked to himself for the remainder of the match. Where was John Mcenroe....was he in there???

John Mcenroe was commentating with Tracy Austin on the BBC ;)

mykarma
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:54 AM
...And after Venus's forehand was holding up, she suggested that opponents to hit to the backhand because it "may" be weaker.
I know hysterical, isn't it.

Did anyone here her say that Venus and Lindsay were friends now and that in the past they weren't because of Richard? Couldn't speak negatively about Venus so she went to Richard. She is such a fool.

Denise4925
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:57 AM
Carillo was right. Because of the speed and pace of the ball on grass, it helps Venus in two ways.
1. Pace helps give Venus control on the forehand.
2. The ball coming in so fast helps Venus because she has less time to think. I have seen many times over the past two years where a floater comes in to the center of the court. Venus has an eternity to think of what she wants to do with the ball. And she dumps into the net. Sometines having too much time to think can throw off the timing of your swing. With Venus's huge back swing and early preperation, more time to think often hurts her, and she isn't able to establish a forehand groundstroke rythm. Pace helps Venus develop a rythm. I hope I was clear there. I play tennis in real life, and people who don't play, may not know about how a lack of pace can be tougher to deal with, then a ball hit fast and hard.
I agree with this. I surprise myself at the winners I can hit with my backhand, which is much weaker than my forehand, off of balls that have a lot of pace, whereas, if a slow pace server or returner serves or hits to my backhand, I hit a lot of errors off of it. It's the pace.

cartmancop
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:58 AM
John Mcenroe was commentating with Tracy Austin on the BBC ;)


I always forget details about who commentates on what station for which days. John Mac & Mary confuse me b/c they jump around from CBS to ESPN to NBC to BBC....etc. :)

& a question I must know
Was Tracy as quiet as Mary :lol: :devil: just kidding. She already admitted that she was wrong & had underestimated Venus & for that I must applaud her honesty :clap2:

Black Mamba.
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:59 AM
Mary C is a bandwagon jumper plain and simple.

Denise4925
Jul 6th, 2005, 03:00 AM
Something that confused me on what Mary said after the game was that she commented on Venus saying that she believes she can do anything as long as she's alive. Well, Mary screwed up the quote and then it seems lost her train of thought in mid-sentence and said "there are better ways of showing you're alive", :confused: which made no sense whatsoever. :shrug:

tennisIlove09
Jul 6th, 2005, 03:01 AM
5 finals in 6 years. 3 wins in 6 years...

maybe Vee's consistentcy was her reasoning behind the comment? I mean, 2002 Serena just played one heck of match to win; 2003 injury cost her the title; 2004 Ted Watts and a determined Klina...

She's been brillant on grass really since 99, where she played the epic against Graf.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Jul 6th, 2005, 03:01 AM
I always forget details about who commentates on what station for which days. John Mac & Mary confuse me b/c they jump around from CBS to ESPN to NBC to BBC....etc. :)

& a question I must know
Was Tracy as quiet as Mary :lol: :devil: just kidding. She already admitted that she was wrong & had underestimated Venus & for that I must applaud her honesty :clap2:

No, Tracy wasn't quiet. She kept on saying that we haven't seen this play from Venus for 18 months, which is why it is unexpected. She was actually quite kind to her!

Denise4925
Jul 6th, 2005, 03:08 AM
:lol: I noticed the same thing.... Whatshisname ;) talked the entire time from 6-5 2nd set until the end, while I guess Mary was sulking in the corner I don't know. I don't think she had a Plan B of what to say if Venus were to show up ready to play :D She was talking alot, well no more than normal but....and once Lindsay dropped serve @ love & lost the set in the TB she didn't have anything to say :tape: .... I forgot to ask if anyone else had noticed the silence & the fact that that guy, whose name escapes my mind @ the moment, practically talked to himself for the remainder of the match. Where was John Mcenroe....was he in there???
I noticed it and it was a pleasure. :lol: I did miss John. I think he's very objective when it comes to play analysis. But, he actually did win a couple of GS. :p :lol:

polishprodigy
Jul 6th, 2005, 03:11 AM
What's worse is when she commentates on men's matches :tape:

Denise4925
Jul 6th, 2005, 03:11 AM
I know hysterical, isn't it.

Did anyone here her say that Venus and Lindsay were friends now and that in the past they weren't because of Richard? Couldn't speak negatively about Venus so she went to Richard. She is such a fool.
Actually, I don't remember Richard saying anything negative about Lindsay. I do however remember some things Linds said. But, I forgive her because she really didn't know the sisters and I felt that she felt peer pressure to say something negative.

cartmancop
Jul 6th, 2005, 03:12 AM
No, Tracy wasn't quiet. She kept on saying that we haven't seen this play from Venus for 18 months, which is why it is unexpected. She was actually quite kind to her!


:speakles: That's good to hear :D


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LindsayRocks89
Jul 6th, 2005, 03:21 AM
idk i know mary seems really hateful but i mean i was just waiting for the day when venus shut her up lol. . . idk for some odd reason though. . . i have to say i love when shes commentating with j mac on men's matches and she always does that really annoying laugh, it cracks me up :o

Rome
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:13 AM
Rember when the guy said i think we seen the point where Venus is going to win the match? Mary did not say a word for about two minutes it was great

WF4EVER
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:52 AM
I think she was just making excuses for Venus playing well. I thought it had already been established that Venus' technique was faulty and that she was severely lacking in confidence. I would have thought that if any surface would help Venus' forehand it would be clay because she would have more time to make adjustments when reacting to a shot.

Venus' game has obviously improved and she played with a lot of confidence at Wimby. I don't know where she picked it up from but probably knowing that she had been working hard and hitting her favorite surface helped her at Wimby.

Mary chats a lot of shit sometimes; she' s a fucking hypocrite, IMO. At one point in the match, early in the third if I recall correctly she made some comment that one should be able to bear pain if she wanted to win big titles and important matches but after Lindsay took a medical timeout she wouldn't stop commenting how 'gingerly' she was moving yada yada yada.

Lindsay could very well have been 'injured' but I'm convinced it was as a result of her grueling match(es) and nothing more. It was a physical match as was her previous match against mauresmo and as an athlete you have to be fit and healthy if you're going to compete. BTW Lindsay played great after that timeout (like Serena did in OZ) until that 25-point rally in the 14th game in the third set that really seemed to knock the wind out of her sails.

Back to Mary. It seems they have a really hard time giving Venus (and Serena) credit most of the time, but Venus has a way of pounding it out of them. Its like she has dealt with a hostile crowd in the past; she beat her opponent to a pulp til the crowd can't help but respect her efforts.

Good for Venus; if she only listened to everything she heard she'd be in a mental asylum by now. Commentators are too fickle IMO. They never have an opinion; they talk as if everything they say is fact and then all of a sudden when you have a performance like we saw from Venus the facts change.

selking
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:00 AM
I hate all the comentators

selking
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:00 AM
besdies pam, mac, MJ and sometimes cliff... actually i just hate mary and patrick

venus_rulez
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:18 AM
Tennis is a sport of hype. Commentators fall victim to it and so do the media and lots of people on this board. I don't want to pick on any players, but how many times have we seen player A play ONE good tournament with no previous results to back up that it's a legitimate performance and people praise them as the next number one player in the world, or suddenly they become a "real threat" to win slams. Or even someone who's been solid for a few months suddenly becomes a "top player." It happens all the time. I mean all the commentators went from saying in week 1 that Venus' outside commitments had been hurting her tennis to in week 2 saying that she had rededicated herself to tennis and hard work. Sure it's annoying but the only really bad thing that comes out of this is the younger players who have a big result early and get all this pressure on them that they aren't realyl deserving of and don't need, and they have to deal with that on top of the 100 plus mile an hour serves

icequeen
Jul 6th, 2005, 11:24 AM
Something that confused me on what Mary said after the game was that she commented on Venus saying that she believes she can do anything as long as she's alive. Well, Mary screwed up the quote and then it seems lost her train of thought in mid-sentence and said "there are better ways of showing you're alive", :confused: which made no sense whatsoever. :shrug:


Yes she really screw that one up. Damn fool she is.

icequeen
Jul 6th, 2005, 11:31 AM
I also wanted to make a comment about that medical time out. When Serena took that medical time out at the AO that bitch was very nasty about it and made fun of "back malfunction" but when lin's injury was announced by the bitch she was acting like a doctor and made no fun of Lin's injury like she did of Serena's she even went as far as to say that Serena was faking...like Serena has to fake any injury. The girl has 7 slams why would she fake an injury. The tone was totally different with with Lin's injury and how the hell did she know that Lin was in pain....but at the AO when Serena was playing she insinuated that Serena did not look like she had an injury.

Martian Willow
Jul 6th, 2005, 11:31 AM
Does anyone know what Mary Carillo's best result at a GS was when she played? Cause she sure does have the solution for every players problems, yet couldn't figure out how to play herself.

I don't know, but I'm guessing it's better than Richard Williams...or Melanie Molitor, Nick Bolletieri or Robert Lansdorp.

tennnisfannn
Jul 6th, 2005, 12:37 PM
sometimes opponents can pound a weakness into a strength. Lindsay kept going to Venus' forehand at some point venus didn't even have to move too far away from her right, she knew where lindsay was directing the next ball. Infact the majority of the key points were won off venus' forehand.

Sam L
Jul 6th, 2005, 12:54 PM
Oh! I thought we were going to be wondering whether she was really a he.

Infiniti2001
Jul 6th, 2005, 01:03 PM
From : WF4EVER

Lindsay could very well have been 'injured' but I'm convinced it was as a result of her grueling match(es) and nothing more. It was a physical match as was her previous match against mauresmo and as an athlete you have to be fit and healthy if you're going to compete. BTW Lindsay played great after that timeout (like Serena did in OZ) until that 25-point rally in the 14th game in the third set that really seemed to knock the wind out of her sails.

And this my friends is really the bottom-line. After watching the match for the umpteenth time :tape: , I can honestly say that Lindsay was extremely exhausted. C'mon, at one time Venus survived 3 dfs, there's no way Lindsay choked. She wanted to end it, but Venus was rearing to go everytime-- the girl was not giving up :p

icequeen
Jul 6th, 2005, 01:09 PM
Oh! I thought we were going to be wondering whether she was really a he.


Yep, I am still wondering that one too.

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Jul 6th, 2005, 04:03 PM
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I also wanted to make a comment about that medical time out. When Serena took that medical time out at the AO that bitch was very nasty about it and made fun of "back malfunction" but when lin's injury was announced by the bitch she was acting like a doctor and made no fun of Lin's injury like she did of Serena's she even went as far as to say that Serena was faking...like Serena has to fake any injury. The girl has 7 slams why would she fake an injury. The tone was totally different with with Lin's injury and how the hell did she know that Lin was in pain....but at the AO when Serena was playing she insinuated that Serena did not look like she had an injury.
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THIS IS WHY I CAN'T STAND MARY CARILLO. SHE IS SO BIASED TOWARD V@S. SHE COMMENTATES DIFFERENT WHEN THE SISTERS PLAY THAN WHEN THE OTHER GIRLS PLAY. THIS IS BIAS. Serena gets an injury Mary C jokes like it is something funny she wants to demean the issue. Lindsay gets injury Mary is a concerned commentator. If the bitch would at least be consistant than I would respect her but she is a bias troll.

VENUS SHUT HER MOUTH THOUGH.. if only for a few games it was worth it.:)

venus_rulez
Jul 6th, 2005, 04:06 PM
I bet Venus and Serena just laugh about it now. I mean the media and the commentators have been wrong time and time again about the sisters. You'd think by now they would have learn that anything is possible in tennis. Look how far Agassi and Capriati came back to get where they are now. But as one of my favorite songs says, "the world is full of fools who never get it right." and Mary along with many other commentators certainly fit that.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 6th, 2005, 04:07 PM
Does anyone know what Mary Carillo's best result at a GS was when she played? Cause she sure does have the solution for every players problems, yet couldn't figure out how to play herself.


THANK YOU!!!! Somebody slap his face....Mary Carillo's words are as small as a grain of salt to me. I dont even know how she is a commentator and has no great history in tennis. What has she done in the tennis world and as a tennis player for her to commentate and critisize these players?...not a damn thing.....

venus_rulez
Jul 6th, 2005, 04:27 PM
THANK YOU!!!! Somebody slap his face....Mary Carillo's words are as small as a grain of salt to me. I dont even know how she is a commentator and has no great history in tennis. What has she done in the tennis world and as a tennis player for her to commentate and critisize these players?...not a damn thing.....



In all honesty though, Tennis is one of the few sports where you could suck at playing but be an excellent coach. But I think that's why tennis is such a wonderful sport. Once you learn the basics and proper technizues, you can add your own flare or style to the game. Look at all the different service motions that the players possessed it's cool to see. But anyone who's watched a lot of tennis or played enough should be able to look at someone's game and be able to figure out what's going wrong or whatever. I don't like Mary all that much either but my problem with Mary and many commentators is not them saying that Venus' forehand can breakdown, because it's true a lot of times, and that's part of Venus' game, it's when you watch a match and Venus makes ONE forehand error and you hear, "there goes that shaky forehnad" Almost as if they've just been waiting for it to crumble and can't wait to pounce on it.

harloo
Jul 6th, 2005, 04:37 PM
Carillo was right. Because of the speed and pace of the ball on grass, it helps Venus in two ways.
1. Pace helps give Venus control on the forehand.
2. The ball coming in so fast helps Venus because she has less time to think. I have seen many times over the past two years where a floater comes in to the center of the court. Venus has an eternity to think of what she wants to do with the ball. And she dumps into the net. Sometines having too much time to think can throw off the timing of your swing. With Venus's huge back swing and early preperation, more time to think often hurts her, and she isn't able to establish a forehand groundstroke rythm. Pace helps Venus develop a rythm. I hope I was clear there. I play tennis in real life, and people who don't play, may not know about how a lack of pace can be tougher to deal with, then a ball hit fast and hard.

What Mary says about Venus not having time to think about hitting her forehand is consistent with the attitude that the sisters are all braun and no brain.

Considering grass is Venus best surface why is it suprising that she excels at Wimbledon? Does anyone ever say anything about those clay court specialist on the men's side (Puerta, Nadal, Gaudio, etc.) who play great at the French and lose easily at Wimby or better yet skip the tournament?

If the grass helps Venus forehand then where was this help last year when she did not play well at all against Sprem?

Mary and her cronies are looking for an explanation as to why Venus has suddenly started playing great because it was all doom and gloom before. Even during her earlier matches at Wimbledon they had a label up on screen that said,"FALL FROM GRACE" when Venus was playing.:fiery:

To tell you the truth when Venus is confident her forehand does not break down that much. She had incredible focus during this tournament, and said that she listened to what her parents were telling her(instead of resisting). She trained harder after that loss to Sesil and came out on her BEST surface with the belief that she could make a run and she did.

What is so suprising about that, she has won the tournament two times in a row and was a finalist two times also? So why all of the sudden the grass helps her not "think" about hitting her forehand? Illogical.:rolleyes:

tennisbum79
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:06 PM
Rember when the guy said i think we seen the point where Venus is going to win the match? Mary did not say a word for about two minutes it was great

That is not the first time. In fact it has become a pattern.

When Mary C has committed herself to a certain proposition and repetitively harp on the idea during match, if the facts start contradicting what she has been espousing all along, she goes into a few minutes of silence period.

Following, this period, she changes to a lukewarm support of the player she
was backing, then blame-period, balaming her pupil for what she did wrong to let the other player into the match.

In her book, if her pupil has done everything she was supposed to do, the other player would not be able to get into the match.
In Maria or Lindsey vs Venus match, May C thinks if Maria/Lindsey had continued to attack Venus' forehand, it would eventually break down.
But how long before can one say, maybe this not working? Mary C. would rather blame her pupil's execution, no credit for the adjustment the opponent may have made.

She did this for a while with the refain "center the ball when palying the Sisters" routine before giving it up when it consistently did not hold true

harloo
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:08 PM
That is not the first time. In fact it has become a pattern.

When Mary C has committed herself to a certain proposition and repetitively harp on the idea during match, if the facts start contradicting what she has been espousing all along, she goes into a few minutes of silence period.

Following, this period, she changes to a lukewarm support of the player she
was backing, then blame-period, balaming her pupil for what she did wrong to let the other player inot the match.

In her book, if her pupil has done everything she was supposed to do, the other player would not be able to get into the match.
In Maria or Lindsey vs Venus match, May C thinks if Maria/Lindsey had continued to attack Venus' forehand, it would eventually break down.
But how long before can one say, maybe this not working? Mary C. would rather blame her pupil's execution, no credit for the adjustment the opponent may have made.

She did this for a while with the refain "center the ball when palying the Sisters" routine before giving up when it did consistently not hold true





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Martian Willow
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:20 PM
What Mary says about Venus not having time to think about hitting her forehand is consistent with the attitude that the sisters are all braun and no brain.

No, it isn't.

Veenut
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:22 PM
The main problem with the female commentators is they allowed their biases to overshadow their objectiveness. Believe it or not, Mary was one of persons who complimented Venus and Serena the most. She would refer to Venus' regal presence on court and Serena's star qualities and their enhancement to the sport. They were never her favorite of course and I don't care, all I want is fairness and balance.

I can't stand the extremes of constant gushing or extreme negativity. That is why I say the males do a better job because they don't appear to have any vested interest in the outcome. They seem to be just happy with a good match and mainly stick to the match at hand without going off on different tangents.

Presently I'm just enjoying their "egged faces". If they are not yet filled with the crows they have eaten so far, I think there will huge helpings at the USO. I know both girls are fully motivated and if healthy I'm looking forward to a great hard court season.

tennisbum79
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:32 PM
The main problem with the female commentators is they allowed their biases to overshadow their objectiveness. Believe it or not, Mary was one of persons who complimented Venus and Serena the most. She would refer to Venus' regal presence on court and Serena's star qualities and their enhancement to the sport. They were never her favorite of course and I don't care, all I want is fairness and balance.

I can't stand the extremes of constant gushing or extreme negativity. That is why I say the males do a better job because they don't appear to have any vested interest in the outcome. They seem to be just happy with a good match and mainly stick to the match at hand without going off on different tangents.

Presently I'm just enjoying their "egged faces". If they are not yet filled with the crows they have eaten so far, I think there will huge helpings at the USO. I know both girls are fully motivated and if healthy I'm looking forward to a great hard court season.

In general the men tend to do a better job, Except when Roddick, Agassi or Federer are playing. PatMac and Brad Gilbert are not objective when it comes these 3 players. Most people know that Roddick's game is all serve, not other weapons. Yet, they never bring that up when the serve get neutralized.

As for Agassi, they never point out his weaknesses untill he loses.
Same for Federer. As good as Federer is, he is not veyr patient and get frutrated when he gets challenged. That is why he lost in France.

justine&coria
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:57 PM
She might be right : just look at Roger Federer's backhand. On grass, it seems to be the best backhand of the ATP, so beautiful, powerful. (At Halle, Federer played Haas, and the German commentator dared say that Haas probably have the 2nd best one-handed backhand, behind Federer :rolleyes: If Federer had Haas' backhand he would definitely have won 4 times each GS by now). On other surfaces, his backhand is quite horrible (for a top player of course), especially on clay.

It's not because Mary Carillo is often wrong, that she can't say something right. :angel:

Anyway, Wimbledon brought Venus' confidence back. And that's what's gonna help her play well in the future. So maybe, we had to wait for Wimbledon to see Venus back on top. :bounce:

Denise4925
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:33 PM
it's when you watch a match and Venus makes ONE forehand error and you hear, "there goes that shaky forehnad" Almost as if they've just been waiting for it to crumble and can't wait to pounce on it.
Yeah this is what annoyed me throughout the fortnight. :rolleyes:

spartanfan
Jul 6th, 2005, 08:08 PM
besdies pam, mac, MJ and sometimes cliff... actually i just hate mary and patrick


Mary Jo and Cliff seem to be fairly even keeled, but the rest need to go back to broadcasting school. I lost total respect for John McEnroe when he totally excused Justine -the hand -Henin for cheating at the FO a couple of years ago, saying"sometimes you have to do what ever it takes to win against the William Sisters"

Denise4925
Jul 6th, 2005, 08:37 PM
Mary Jo and Cliff seem to be fairly even keeled, but the rest need to go back to broadcasting school. I lost total respect for John McEnroe when he totally excused Justine -the hand -Henin for cheating at the FO a couple of years ago, saying"sometimes you have to do what ever it takes to win against the William Sisters"
I think that was more of a crack against Justine than being non-chalant about the event. :tape:

mykarma
Jul 7th, 2005, 01:06 AM
I don't know, but I'm guessing it's better than Richard Williams...or Melanie Molitor, Nick Bolletieri or Robert Lansdorp.
:confused: :tape: :tape: