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ZeroSOFInfinity
Jul 5th, 2005, 01:04 AM
Since we have 2 hardcourts in the form of Australian and US Open, should the Australian Open change its surface to the carpet version? There would be 4 different surfaces then, rather than having only 3.

CoolDude7
Jul 5th, 2005, 01:09 AM
The AO and U.S. Open surfaces are different. The AO is rebound Ace(soft hardcourt). Someone correct me if i am wrong

Rtael
Jul 5th, 2005, 01:11 AM
Yes it should be changed...there are only like 4 rebound ace tournaments, with many more indoor tournaments, including some at the beginning of the year (Antwerp, Tokyo, Paris) If the AO was to later in the year, as well as the othe rebound ace tournaments being moved to later and onto carpet, and moving the Antwerp/Paris tournaments earlier to where the AO is now, it would be a good season. Besides the fact that RA is so rarely used in other tournaments, there is the fact that RA has been shown to cause more injuries than any other surface, even regular hardcourts. That may have been a little discombobulated....

martinafan
Jul 5th, 2005, 01:38 AM
It would be nearly impossible for a GS to be played on carpet...ALL the courts would practically have to be indoors and/or have a retractable roof....pretty much all carpet tournaments are entirely indoors.....think of how much that would cost for a GS!

ceiling_fan
Jul 5th, 2005, 01:53 AM
ditto to what martina fan said... plus rebound ace is fair

Knizzle
Jul 5th, 2005, 01:55 AM
I think they should change it to a slow hardcourt like Miami or Indian Wells.

xan
Jul 5th, 2005, 01:57 AM
The hard courts, particularly Rebound Ace, cause more injuries than any other surface. Some form of outdoor carpet surface needs to be found. Or go back to grass. (we'll lend them Alan Titchmarsh to show them how to grow it.)

Fingon
Jul 5th, 2005, 02:00 AM
here we go again.


First of all, I don't know why people confuse indoor with carpet.

Carpet is one of the possible surfaces for indoor tournaments (just like decotour II is one for outdoor tournaments).

In fact Carpet is only use in Tokyo right now, most indoor tournaments are hardcourt.

Carpet is designed specifically for indoor venues.

You can't have a GS indoors, there are no stadiums with enough capacity, it ain't happening, not now, not in a million years.

Think of the Stapples center, a huge, really huge indoor stadium, the capacity is ok, but it only has one court. you need 18-20 courts for a GS, and at least two courts with 10,000 + seats and one with 5000 + seats.

@m@nd@
Jul 5th, 2005, 02:03 AM
no...not carpet

xan
Jul 5th, 2005, 02:04 AM
By "carpet" could be meant an OUTDOOR artificial surface (Hessian, synthetic grass?) that had some give in it that would replace the dangerous surface used now.

Nobody is talking about holding a slam indoors.

Geisha
Jul 5th, 2005, 02:07 AM
Because it rains and every Slam, carpet would be horrible to dry. Think about it using common sense. Even WITH a retractable roof on every single court, there is still gonna be some rain getting on to the court, because the roof can only go so fast.

Geisha
Jul 5th, 2005, 02:08 AM
here we go again.


First of all, I don't know why people confuse indoor with carpet.

Carpet is one of the possible surfaces for indoor tournaments (just like decotour II is one for outdoor tournaments).

In fact Carpet is only use in Tokyo right now, most indoor tournaments are hardcourt.

Carpet is designed specifically for indoor venues.

You can't have a GS indoors, there are no stadiums with enough capacity, it ain't happening, not now, not in a million years.

Think of the Stapples center, a huge, really huge indoor stadium, the capacity is ok, but it only has one court. you need 18-20 courts for a GS, and at least two courts with 10,000 + seats and one with 5000 + seats.

Aren't there carpet courts at the Kremlin Cup?

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 5th, 2005, 02:09 AM
No, they should leave the slams how they are.

VS Fan
Jul 5th, 2005, 02:20 AM
The US Open and Austrailian Open SHOULD go back to GRASS. (or maybe one should be green clay)

They BOTH went to Hard Court and Rebound Ace to lower maintenance costs.
Rebound Ace is hardest on ankles, Hard courts affect the whole body.

They dont give a shyt how many injuries the players sustain.

Imagine if Pro Basketball was played on concrete! Wood is bad enough.

Gowza
Jul 5th, 2005, 02:25 AM
i like the rebound ace surface but the injuries are a bit of a worry. carpet it would be good but as said tough with the courts etc having to be indoors. i think the closest to an outdoor carpet type surface might be synthetic grass....

xan
Jul 5th, 2005, 02:32 AM
Because it rains and every Slam, carpet would be horrible to dry. Think about it using common sense. Even WITH a retractable roof on every single court, there is still gonna be some rain getting on to the court, because the roof can only go so fast.

many sport events in the US use artificial grass, which is a form of carpet, usable outdoors.

The point is, hard courts are hard on the bodies of athletes, and cause a lot of injuries. A better surface is needed.

switz
Jul 5th, 2005, 03:08 AM
Yes it should be changed...there are only like 4 rebound ace tournaments, with many more indoor tournaments, including some at the beginning of the year (Antwerp, Tokyo, Paris) If the AO was to later in the year, as well as the othe rebound ace tournaments being moved to later and onto carpet, and moving the Antwerp/Paris tournaments earlier to where the AO is now, it would be a good season.

so you'd play the year end championships a couple of weeks after the Australian Open :lol: great season!

it's an elitist assumption that the ITF can just tell the australian open what to do because it's the smallest grand slam (which is debatable anyway). Does anyone think about the financial implications of having an indoor carpet grand slam? Logistically all of Melbourne Park (besides the two main arenas already in use) would need to be demolished and all courts would have to be side by side as there is no way you could just cover the whole complex in a giant dome. To suggest you'd have an outdoor synthetic surfaced slam is ridiculous and you may as well move the slam to the former soviet union.

rebound ace is a technologically advanced rubberised surface and provides a far greater amount of support than the archaic cement-like surface used at the US Open. People get injured at the Australian Open not because of rebound ace but because it's the first tournament of the year for many and players are more prone to injury. The theory that it causes injuries was in fact raised by the manufacturers of the older hardcourt surfaces fearing loss of business. I personally don't like rebound ace that much as i play on it at my club sometimes and it bounces higher than i like for my game but i also feel far less impact on my joints when i play on it as compared with other hardcourts. Thankfully my club also has clay and grass so we get a good choice :bounce:

switz
Jul 5th, 2005, 03:10 AM
many sport events in the US use artificial grass, which is a form of carpet, usable outdoors.


you can't compare American football or baseball with tennis.

xan
Jul 5th, 2005, 03:14 AM
you can't compare American football or baseball with tennis.

I don't see why not. the manufacturers could produce a surface that produces any bounce required.

alexusjonesfan
Jul 5th, 2005, 03:19 AM
Why is it that there are no events on the pro tour on artificial grass?

switz
Jul 5th, 2005, 03:20 AM
I don't see why not. the manufacturers could produce a surface that produces any bounce required.

it's not just about bounce it's mainly about grip. both the other sports use shoes designed with spikes and they are simply running flat out in one direction (or not running at all). the surface is those sports is pretty irrelevant to the overall game whereas in tennis is probably the most central factors. i'm from australia where we have synthetic grass everywhere - the surface stays wet for ages and becomes extremely slippery - using covers only makes things worse as it sweats.

they should change the US Open surface. oh that's right you can't even think about that can you :rolleyes:

switz
Jul 5th, 2005, 03:23 AM
Why is it that there are no events on the pro tour on artificial grass?

pretty much because it's a cheap, low maintainence surface that isn't fit for use on a professional tennis tour. it's a great surface for your backyard court or for a local tennis complex but beyond that the need for sand on it etc makes it an undesirable surface when you need to standardise the way each court plays.

Dan23
Jul 5th, 2005, 03:47 AM
rebound ace is a technologically advanced rubberised surface and provides a far greater amount of support than the archaic cement-like surface used at the US Open. People get injured at the Australian Open not because of rebound ace but because it's the first tournament of the year for many and players are more prone to injury. The theory that it causes injuries was in fact raised by the manufacturers of the older hardcourt surfaces fearing loss of business. I personally don't like rebound ace that much as i play on it at my club sometimes and it bounces higher than i like for my game but i also feel far less impact on my joints when i play on it as compared with other hardcourts. Thankfully my club also has clay and grass so we get a good choice :bounce:Thats true..:yeah:
Rebound Ace provides better support for the players and is designed to reduce the impact on players legs..
The surface can and has been changed to be made quicker in recent years, all sorts of variations are possible

alexusjonesfan
Jul 5th, 2005, 04:00 AM
pretty much because it's a cheap, low maintainence surface that isn't fit for use on a professional tennis tour. it's a great surface for your backyard court or for a local tennis complex but beyond that the need for sand on it etc makes it an undesirable surface when you need to standardise the way each court plays.

thanks :p

tennisvideos
Jul 5th, 2005, 04:38 AM
Personally I like the idea of them using Synthetic grass at the AO. I mean it is probably the most popular surface in Australia. But of course rain is an issue because once they get wet they are very difficult to play on - the ball skids through very fast on a damp or wet court. They would need covers on all courts just like at Wimbledon.

But I love playing on Synthetic grass and think it would make a great surface - it does tend to suit S&V players somewhat as the bounce is generally low, but at least the bounce is fair to help the baseliners out.

switz
Jul 5th, 2005, 04:44 AM
Personally I like the idea of them using Synthetic grass at the AO. I mean it is probably the most popular surface in Australia. But of course rain is an issue because once they get wet they are very difficult to play on - the ball skids through very fast on a damp or wet court. They would need covers on all courts just like at Wimbledon.

But I love playing on Synthetic grass and think it would make a great surface - it does tend to suit S&V players somewhat as the bounce is generally low, but at least the bounce is fair to help the baseliners out.

it is a fun surface to play on but it's not a practical surface for a professional sport.

Mana
Jul 5th, 2005, 05:51 AM
They should change, or their should be a tier 1 on carpet. (But their prob already is so feel free to correct me.)

Jakeev
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:36 AM
[QUOTE=Fingon]

In fact Carpet is only use in Tokyo right now, most indoor tournaments are hardcourt.

QUOTE]

Uh, that is not entirely correct. Paris and Antwerp indoors are held on carpet as will be Moscow later this year and a new event in India.

Mateo Mathieu
Jul 5th, 2005, 07:23 AM
Would be better if Luxembourg, Zurich, Philadelphia, Linz and Quebec City changed the surface to carpet after the US Open which is more make sense since its only one carpet tournament and this is Moscow!

Mateo Mathieu
Jul 5th, 2005, 07:26 AM
Uh, that is not entirely correct. Paris and Antwerp indoors are held on carpet as will be Moscow later this year and a new event in India.
*checking* How marvelous! Kolkata is the new carpet tournament! :D I better change my schedule for FWTT! :haha:

Mateo Mathieu
Jul 5th, 2005, 07:30 AM
Hasselts will play on decoturf which is also carpet! :D I thought it played hardcourts last year? :confused:

GorgeousMe!
Jul 5th, 2005, 07:33 AM
Given the sparcity of grass court tournaments, I think it should go back to grass - much more exciting tennis (for me anyway). I think it would improve the standing of the AO as well. As it gets so hot, players can find themselves sticking on the rebound surface, hence a few injuries there - namely Monica Seles last time she played there.

Grass looks much nicer and more tennisy on the TV too.

alexusjonesfan
Jul 5th, 2005, 07:48 AM
Hasselts will play on decoturf which is also carpet! :D I thought it played hardcourts last year? :confused:

Decoturf is hardcourt, Greenset is carpet

Mateo Mathieu
Jul 5th, 2005, 07:49 AM
Decoturf is hardcourt, Greenset is carpet
But decoturf used in Antwerp too :p

Wojtek
Jul 5th, 2005, 07:54 AM
Would be better if Luxembourg, Zurich, Philadelphia, Linz and Quebec City changed the surface to carpet after the US Open which is more make sense since its only one carpet tournament and this is Moscow!

Carpet or hard it isn't big diffrents because Moscow has had very slow courts since 2002. Only Leipizg has super fast courts ( Supreme) but it was really hard to play there almost like on grass, women has a lot of problems. It was stupid event :p

alexusjonesfan
Jul 5th, 2005, 07:54 AM
But decoturf used in Antwerp too :p

No it's not :p, Antwerp is Greenset. The only indoor carpet tournies are Tokyo, Paris, Antwerp, Moscow and now Kolkata :p

Wojtek
Jul 5th, 2005, 08:01 AM
Decoturf is hardcourt, Greenset is carpet

The difference between carpet and hardcourts depend how you put surface on to the court. So Greenset can be slow or fast etc. If you "roll" surface like a carpet before event it will be carpet. In Moscow they put courts just few days before event so that's why it's on carpet and courts are slow in Moscow. In Filderstadt courts are hard ( because they has been there always - it's normal club) and courts there are very fast and ball has very high bounce.

Sometimes you can have the same surface but courts are fast or slow because under the court is wood or concrete like in Filderstadt and Zurich.

Mateo Mathieu
Jul 5th, 2005, 08:07 AM
No it's not :p, Antwerp is Greenset. The only indoor carpet tournies are Tokyo, Paris, Antwerp, Moscow and now Kolkata :p
Blame it to WTA Tour website :p

rada
Jul 5th, 2005, 08:58 AM
keep it the way it is;)

bello
Jul 5th, 2005, 09:12 AM
No it shouldnt be.

chris whiteside
Jul 5th, 2005, 10:26 AM
Good question but on the whole, no.

As others have mentioned the surfaces at Flinders Park and Flushing Meadows ARE different and having the 4 Slams on different surfaces is good for the game.

Rebound Ace is probably the fairest surface for all types of player. My one reservation is that the players are more susceptible to injury than on any other surface.

DutchieGirl
Jul 6th, 2005, 11:54 AM
Personally I like the idea of them using Synthetic grass at the AO. I mean it is probably the most popular surface in Australia. But of course rain is an issue because once they get wet they are very difficult to play on - the ball skids through very fast on a damp or wet court. They would need covers on all courts just like at Wimbledon.

But I love playing on Synthetic grass and think it would make a great surface - it does tend to suit S&V players somewhat as the bounce is generally low, but at least the bounce is fair to help the baseliners out.

Synthetic grass is popular because it's what the clubs have for us to play on. I have played on grass, synthetic shite and rebound ace (yes at Melbourne Park) and I MUCH prefer rebound ace!

DutchieGirl
Jul 6th, 2005, 11:56 AM
Given the sparcity of grass court tournaments, I think it should go back to grass - much more exciting tennis (for me anyway). I think it would improve the standing of the AO as well. As it gets so hot, players can find themselves sticking on the rebound surface, hence a few injuries there - namely Monica Seles last time she played there.

Grass looks much nicer and more tennisy on the TV too.

How would making the AO grass improve its standing? The AO is already very successful anyway, and I HATE grass court tennis. I went to Wimby this year and it was just freakin boring...sorry, but keep rebound ace...hell I'd even prefer clay!