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GorgeousMe!
Jul 4th, 2005, 09:17 PM
At the Aussie Open Maria fell to Serena who won the title; Maria fell to Justine in the French; and Venus at Wimbly. So though the rich/poor girl who does not perspire (due to her Palmolive deodarant she plugged relentlessly in the UK) has not won a major, she always fell to the Champion.

What is my point? There's a horrible but fortuitous saying in Britain: always the bridesmaid, never the bride. Even her new shiny husband last year soon went back to his previous flame, Venus. Aptly named after the very trophy! Is the divorce permanent?

Geisha
Jul 4th, 2005, 09:24 PM
She also lost to JHH twice in claycourt tournaments- or once other than the french. that's another time she's lost.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 4th, 2005, 09:28 PM
But, it's bound to happen especially late in a tournament. Only 4 people left in the SF and 8 in a QF.

gretchenwinners
Jul 4th, 2005, 09:31 PM
ok??

justine&coria
Jul 4th, 2005, 09:38 PM
Yeah, that's why I think it would be a bit unfair if she doesn't reach the 1st rank by the end of the year. Davenport just had more luck than her : she faced Venus and Serena in the finals, not in the semis and she had a cake-walk draw at the French unlike Sharapova (who would surely have reached the finals).
Of course, Davenport double-bageled Sharapova, but Sharapova won the YEC, Wimby last year and will never give up a match the way Lindsay did in the 3rd set of the AO finals.

I'm not saying Davenport doesn't deserve the first spot, just that both Sharapova and Lindsay deserve it. so it'd be a bit unfair, if Sharapova doesn't reach it before next year.

xan
Jul 4th, 2005, 09:51 PM
Apart from Schnyder on clay, Maria has lost only to former No 1 players this year. She has also managed to catch players like Serena, venus, Kim and Justine on their very best form of the year. Hence her losses to eventual champions.

As No 2 seed Mari had a shocker of a draw at the French, meeting the favourite in the quarters.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 4th, 2005, 09:54 PM
Apart from Schnyder on clay, Maria has lost only to former No 1 players this year. She has also managed to catch players like Serena, venus, Kim and Justine on their very best form of the year. Hence her losses to eventual champions.

As No 2 seed Mari had a shocker of a draw at the French, meeting the favourite in the quarters.

Maria caught Serena on her best form? PLEASE! Serena hasn't seen her best form since Wimbledon 2003. And actually, it's probably even longer than that...I'd say US Open 2002.

G_Slammed
Jul 4th, 2005, 09:58 PM
Maria caught Serena on her best form?

That's right.. caught Serena Williams at her most devastating level of play at last year's YEC, and whipped Williams handily. You see it? I was there. All I could do was shake my head in disbelief... just, incredible.


lol..

lindsayno1
Jul 4th, 2005, 10:04 PM
and she had a cake-walk draw at the French unlike Sharapova.


i wouldnt call kim in the 4th round and mary pierce (on clay) in her draw as being cake walk style!

Lady
Jul 4th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Yeah, that's why I think it would be a bit unfair if she doesn't reach the 1st rank by the end of the year. Davenport just had more luck than her : she faced Venus and Serena in the finals, not in the semis and she had a cake-walk draw at the French unlike Sharapova (who would surely have reached the finals).
Of course, Davenport double-bageled Sharapova, but Sharapova won the YEC, Wimby last year and will never give up a match the way Lindsay did in the 3rd set of the AO finals.

I'm not saying Davenport doesn't deserve the first spot, just that both Sharapova and Lindsay deserve it. so it'd be a bit unfair, if Sharapova doesn't reach it before next year.

Maria doesn't deserve #1 anymore more then Lindsay, period.
Maria had a much easier draw at both RG and Wimbledon, just look at quality points. Davenport had to play Clijsters in both 4th round, now go and check who did Maria play.
Maria is a great player, but since February her only title is Tier 3.
If she wins US Open, gets to #1, then yes, she belongs there.
Just like she'd be rightful #1 after Berlin, Rome, but she couldn't do it, even if it was on her raquet.

But she has plenty of time to reach #1 in the future.

Lady
Jul 4th, 2005, 10:09 PM
i wouldnt call kim in the 4th round and mary pierce (on clay) in her draw as being cake walk style!

Exacly, it was Maria who had an easy draw.
I guess, J&C expect Maria to play a top 30 players even in the QF! :shrug:

davidmario
Jul 4th, 2005, 10:10 PM
If she wants to be No1 she has to be the winner, not lose to eventual winners;)

xan
Jul 4th, 2005, 10:19 PM
Maria doesn't deserve #1 anymore more then Lindsay, period.
Maria had a much easier draw at both RG and Wimbledon, just look at quality points. Davenport had to play Clijsters in both 4th round, now go and check who did Maria play.
Maria had an easy draw in Paris? :lol:

Maria, as 2 seed got the red hot favourite, and world's top clay court player in the QF! Quality points have little to do with matters when certain players are no good on clay and the best clay player has been off for a year.

Maria is a great player, but since February her only title is Tier 3.
Why date your list from February? A strange date to pick.

Oh. Before that she won a Tier 1 and a Tier2.

And after that was the clay court season. Maria's worst surface.

VS Fan
Jul 4th, 2005, 10:27 PM
Speaking of cakewalk draws, Maria was essentially unopposed in her quarter at this year's Wimbledon.

Venus' quarter was LOADED, but with Justine's early departure and Serena's poor fitness to play, that side opened up considerably. If Serena had survived to the fourth round, Maria might have won. Serena would have lost to Venus, but Mary provided some great match preparation fo Venus.... Plus Venus would have been feeling bad for eliminating Serena. This might have been to case at NASDAQ this year. It would have been Serena's fourth straight if she won.

VS Fan
Jul 4th, 2005, 10:34 PM
Addendum: Lindsay still DESERVES #1 in spite of no recent slam victorys.
She has put in the work like no other and has had great results for 12 months now.

harloo
Jul 4th, 2005, 11:06 PM
I don't like the hype machine surrounding Maria at all, but I do believe that she will win many slams in her career. She is only 18 now and can only get better. Right now she is all power and nothing else, but that does not mean that she will continue to lose these matches. It will be tougher with everyone trying to win but she will improve and start to win.

I have a feeling she was not really ready for the Wimby title last year and all the expectations and attention that came with it. However, that's all a part of the learning curve so she will get over it and take more slams eventually.

StarDuvallGrant
Jul 4th, 2005, 11:11 PM
Yay to the winners :bigclap:

Sam L
Jul 5th, 2005, 02:36 PM
Whoever beats Maria in the US Open, wins it!

^^^

I'd laugh if she's in the finals.

Lady
Jul 5th, 2005, 02:44 PM
Whoever beats Maria in the US Open, wins it!

^^^

I'd laugh if she's in the finals.

She's Lleyton Hewitt of WTA! :p

Lleyton lost to the eventual winner in the last 6 slams he played! ;)

furrykitten
Jul 5th, 2005, 02:51 PM
Maria has had a great season imo, even though she hasn't won a grand slam, she's added alot to her game and has enjoyed good results at all tournaments. Sharapova will keep improving and the Grand Slams will wait, she has 12 or more years to win them..

Jasmin
Jul 5th, 2005, 03:45 PM
A lot of players lost to the eventual winner.

Maria is young and should win another slam.

tennisIlove09
Jul 5th, 2005, 03:47 PM
Maria caught Serena on her best form? PLEASE! Serena hasn't seen her best form since Wimbledon 2003. And actually, it's probably even longer than that...I'd say US Open 2002.

:confused: You obviously missed the Australian Open Finals in 2003; The French Open quarters in 2003; The Wimbledon Semis in 2003...

rjd1111
Jul 5th, 2005, 04:48 PM
That's right.. caught Serena Williams at her most devastating level of play at last year's YEC, and whipped Williams handily. You see it? I was there. All I could do was shake my head in disbelief... just, incredible.


lol..


Serena was beating the Storks Ass until she injured herself (Ab Tear). Towards the end of the match Serena could not even serve.

VS Fan
Jul 5th, 2005, 05:22 PM
Flash!!!

This just in... It is reported that SEVEN players have LOST to the evential winner in ALL grand Slam events in the Open Era.

Doc
Jul 5th, 2005, 05:23 PM
Serena was beating the Storks Ass until she injured herself (Ab Tear). Towards the end of the match Serena could not even serve.

Not true. Maria was ahead BEFORE the injury. Serena had her best section of the match AFTER she was injured.

VS Fan
Jul 5th, 2005, 05:29 PM
No Doc, Maria was having her WORST section in the third set when Serena was serving up 50 MPH FIRST serves. Serena's ground strokes almost saved her in spite of her injury.
Serena was up 4-0 then lost the next SIX games.

Szymanowski
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:04 PM
Oh. Before that she won a Tier 1 and a Tier2.

I think, more significant than that is the fact that off the back of a terrible 6-0 6-0 defeat, she managed to come back and reach the final at Miami. She may not have pushed her opponant, but from all the articles + reports I've heard, the conditions were very windy, something which seems to affect Maria's game more than most due to the pinpoint precision of her shots.

SJW
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:09 PM
Not true. Maria was ahead BEFORE the injury. Serena had her best section of the match AFTER she was injured.

Serena got injured in the second set :confused:

Szymanowski
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:14 PM
From everything I've heard, (I presume you're talking about YEC?) I'm afraid Serena was winning fair and square before the injury. I didn't ssee the match, but that's what all the press seem to think.

Martian Willow
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:18 PM
Maria was 5-2 up in the second set before the injury. :)

SJW
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:21 PM
Maria was 5-2 up in the second set before the injury. :)

yes. absolutely.

so is 5-2 in the second after losing the first winning? :)

Martian Willow
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:22 PM
It's not losing. :)

SJW
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:24 PM
It's not losing. :)
was she ahead in the match? :)

Martian Willow
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:26 PM
She had the momentum. :p

SJW
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:28 PM
She had the momentum. :p

absolutely ;)

Volcana
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:30 PM
That's right.. caught Serena Williams at her most devastating level of play at last year's YEC, and whipped Williams handily. You see it? I was there.You may have been there, but you obviously didn't watch the match. A Serena who can't lift her arm above her head to serve is NOT 'at her most devastating level of play'. She BEAT Serena at Wimbledon. The YEC was a joke.
Yeah, that's why I think it would be a bit unfair if she doesn't reach the 1st rank by the end of the year.Quite the opposite. Sharapova has had the #1 ranking on her racket virtually all year, and she hasn't been able to capitalize. If she doesn't get the #1 ranking in 2005, it's exactly because she doesn't deserve it.

deja_entendu
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:33 PM
was she ahead in the match? :)

:hug:

franny
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:33 PM
You may have been there, but you obviously didn't watch the match. A Serena who can't lift her arm above her head to serve is NOT 'at her most devastating level of play'. She BEAT Serena at Wimbledon. The YEC was a joke.

You know, watching that match made me realize something about Serena. She doesn't need that serve at all to dominate. The way she played for the first four games of the third set was like, crazy. It was like she was possessed. What I don't understand is why can't she play like that all the time? Whatever her mindset was in those four games she should try to remember and play with it because she was hitting winners from everywhere on the court. I really thought she was going to bagel Maria in that set.

SJW
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:35 PM
:hug:
YUCK.

:)

xan
Jul 5th, 2005, 08:36 PM
Maria caught Serena on her best form? PLEASE! Serena hasn't seen her best form since Wimbledon 2003. And actually, it's probably even longer than that...I'd say US Open 2002.

I know. Every time Serena gets beat, she's sick, she's injured, she's been injured in the last 12 months, she's been feeling bad, she's at 20% etc.

---or perhaps she wasn't even there.

xan
Jul 5th, 2005, 08:39 PM
That's right.. caught Serena Williams at her most devastating level of play at last year's YEC, and whipped Williams handily. You see it? I was there. All I could do was shake my head in disbelief... just, incredible.


lol..

We're talking about this year. It's good to actually read the thread before you post.

xan
Jul 5th, 2005, 08:51 PM
You may have been there, but you obviously didn't watch the match. A Serena who can't lift her arm above her head to serve is NOT 'at her most devastating level of play'. She BEAT Serena at Wimbledon. The YEC was a joke.
i really wonder why some people don't read the thread before they pass comment. :rolleyes:

Once again, my statement referred to the fact that this year apart from Schnyder, Maria has only been beaten by Number One players or former number one players on their best form of this year. 2005.

Okay?

Quite the opposite. Sharapova has had the #1 ranking on her racket virtually all year, and she hasn't been able to capitalize. Not really. Maria was nowhere near No 1 position at the start of the year. She came into contention just before the clay court season, and needed to win clay court titles (her worst surface) to get the No 1. She did well on clay courts, but missed it. If she doesn't get the #1 ranking in 2005, it's exactly because she doesn't deserve it.

So if she does get it, she will have deserved it - right?