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icequeen
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:18 PM
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I can't stand that woman. How dear sshe say that Venus was clutching and clawing.

Craigy
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:27 PM
you need to fix the the thread title :p

Rocketta
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:38 PM
yeah u may want to fix the title....and as much as I can't stand Tracy....she at least told the truth....she wouldn't have picked Venus to do well here and frankly other than her devoted fans who would? :shrug:

Oneofakind0490
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:39 PM
I can't read the article but what is so bad about Venus clutching and clawing? Sounds like a compliment. You are just over reacting.

lindsayno1
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:44 PM
cant read it...

if shes dissing venus - its probs cos shes friends with lindsay

Rocketta
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:48 PM
cant read it...

if shes dissing venus - its probs cos shes friends with lindsay

she's not it's just the same quotes from her column....admitting that she didn't give Vee any chance to win this tournament before it started.

treufreund
Jul 4th, 2005, 04:00 PM
I think Tracy Austin is one of the nicest commentators and she seems to appreciate every player.


BTW, CONGRATS to TRACY and JANA NOVOTNA for their WIMBLEDON DOUBLES TITLE!!!

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 4th, 2005, 04:02 PM
She doesn't like the sisters plain and simple, but who cares. Venus is the 2005 Wimbledon champion and will always be.

vettipooh
Jul 4th, 2005, 04:12 PM
It's an honest point of view by Tracy. The 'scratching and clawing' seems only a compliment to portray Venus' fight...the fact that she would not give up as if fighting for life. Ignore that one phrase and admire the rest. ;)

Veenut
Jul 4th, 2005, 04:15 PM
All I'm praying for is that she doesn't commentate on any of their matches at the USO.
She was the one who started the getting a new coach contraversy last year. When all the shouting and noise calm down there is something to be said for "action speak louder that words". I think Richard and Oraceen's results speak for themselves.
Outlined below are just the highlights:

12 Major championships (6 out of the 12 one sister was the runner-up)
10 Major runner-up
6 Major doubles each
4 Major mixed doubles
1 Single olympic
1 doubles olympic
2 #1 players
If that is still not impressive enough then I'll through in the 6 Miami titles.
If Tracy and company can recommend any other coach with a better resume, then I would say to the girls give him some consideration until then I don't want to hear it.

Dear Lord, please spare me the agony of hearing Tracy I pray.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 4th, 2005, 04:33 PM
Can someone copy and paste the article? I can't see it.

Rocketta
Jul 4th, 2005, 04:46 PM
Tracy didn't write this she's just quoted in it.

Venus Back On Top:

WIMBLEDON, England -- Everyone had a theory about what was wrong with Venus Williams:

She couldn't handle being surpassed by younger sister Serena.

She wasn't investing enough time in tennis, distracted by other interests, such as her interior design company.

She couldn't overcome a long string of injuries.

She needed someone other than Mom and Dad to coach her.

The shooting death of half-sister Yetunde weighed heavily on her.

As the time since Williams' last Grand Slam title grew to four years, as her losses in majors came earlier and earlier, more and more explanations were offered.

Her confidence and desire were gone, her game had slipped, other women on tour caught up.

And on, and on, and on.

With one spectacular fortnight, capped by saving a match point en route to a stirring 4-6, 7-6 (4), 9-7 victory over top-ranked Lindsay Davenport in the Wimbledon final Saturday, Williams served notice that she never really went away.

``I always felt like a champion in my heart because every single time I walked out on the court, I always gave my best. Whatever it was at that time, I gave 100 percent,'' Williams said shortly after accepting her third Wimbledon trophy.

``I feel great to have accomplished this, but I feel like I want to do a lot more.''

She certainly appears capable of just that, now that she's healthy and happy, which she let everyone know by jumping over and over and laughing uncontrollably after hugging Davenport at the net.

The wrist, abdominal and shoulder injuries that slowed her in recent times weren't evident while Williams ran corner to corner and smacked powerful and precise shots against Davenport and, two days earlier in the semifinals, against defending champion and No. 2-ranked Maria Sharapova.

It was nothing that wouldn't have been expected of Williams from 2000 to 2003, when she won her first four major titles and reached five other Grand Slam finals, losing each of those to little sis.

But she arrived at the All England Club having claimed only one tournament title in the preceding 13 months, and that came at a lower-tier event.

Once ranked No. 1, then No. 2 behind her sibling, Williams had tumbled all the way to No. 16. She lost in the second round at Wimbledon last year, and barely mustered a fight in a 6-1 third-set defeat against 15-year-old Sesil Karatantcheva in the third round at the French Open in May.

She was seeded 14th at Wimbledon, and no one slotted that low had won the championship.

``She wasn't in my pick of favorites,'' two-time U.S. Open champion Tracy Austin said after watching the 2-hour, 45-minute women's final, the longest on record at Wimbledon. ``I didn't have Venus in any tier, and I don't think anyone did.''

But that's because no one could crawl inside Williams' head and understand that whatever the reasons for recent lack of good results, she still had plenty of fight.

That was apparent in the way she was ``scratching and clawing,'' as Austin put it, while trailing through nearly all of the final. When Davenport served for the title at 6-5 in the second set, Williams broke her at love. No shot was gutsier than the backhand winner Williams hit when serving while trailing 4-5, 30-40 in the third set; no woman had saved match point in the Wimbledon final and gone on to win since 1935.

``I was just thinking, 'I've got to stay tougher. I've got to stay tougher than whoever's across the net,''' Williams said.

Her victory Saturday means six women have split the past six Grand Slam titles, the first time that's happened since the late 1970s.

Now, if Serena Williams -- who lost in the third round to 85th-ranked Jill Craybas, the woman Venus beat in the fourth round -- gets her left ankle healthy and follows through on her vow to practice more, the U.S. Open should be very interesting.

With the Williams sisters, Davenport, Sharapova, reigning French Open champion Justine Henin-Hardenne, reigning U.S. Open champion Svetlana Kuznetsova, four-time major runner-up Kim Clijsters, 2004 French Open champion Anastasia Myskina, and former No. 1 Amelie Mauresmo in the mix, the top of women's tennis might just be the deepest and strongest it's ever been.

And once more, after a trying two years, it's Venus Williams leading the way.

``It's great to have her back at the top of the heap,'' Austin said, ``because the heap is really cozy now.''

Scotso
Jul 4th, 2005, 06:09 PM
Oh please. Tracy is the nicest and most fair commentator there is.

kabuki
Jul 4th, 2005, 06:12 PM
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I can't stand that woman. How dear sshe say that Venus was clutching and clawing.

More importantly, what did you ever do to your English teacher?

Just kidding.

:hug:

ali
Jul 4th, 2005, 06:14 PM
Can't see what's wrong with what she said to be honest. Its hard to hear your favourites getting negative press, but not many people can honestly say that they expected Venus to win - and her results over the past 18 months have been poor (by her very high standards).


At least she's never said "I'll be honest, I've never liked Venus Williams" like Chris Bailey said about Mary Pierce when he was commentating on the French Open final :fiery:

harloo
Jul 4th, 2005, 06:27 PM
As always when proven wrong Trace cannot lace her articles with bitterness. Now she must admit she was wrong in giving Venus a 15% chance of defeating Maria. She was at least willing to admit that she was indeed wrong about Venus so that's good. I imagine if Venus lost she would of been able to start up the coaching thing all over again. She is a flip flopper.

She did get a chance to take her digs at Serena after she suffered a third round defeat. I just read the article and laughed a bunch, sometimes you can't take Trace seriously. As a matter of fact you cannot take most of the commentators seriously most of the times concerning the sisters because they allow their own bias to get in the way of objective analysis.

franny
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:06 PM
I love Tracy. I think she's great. Williams fans, come on, there is nothing wrong with being honest. What did you want the commentators to say when Venus was losing? It's okay everyone, she's losing now but she's totally come back and win the 2005 Championships and prove everyone wrong! Please, they won't do that for any player. If any player had the success of the Williams, and then went through the slump like Venus did, Tracy Austin would have said the same thing. She went through that with Hingis over and over continually criticizing her for staying with Molitor. It seems to be like whenever a commentator gives the sisters any criticism, they are anti-williams, when really, they are doing their jobs. Commentators aren't hired to gush over players, they are hired to give analysis to fans. There was never anything wrong with Tracy's analysis. Venus did what Tracy said she must do didn't she? Serve well, dictate, keep forehand up. So it's not even like Tracy was wrong. And about the whole coaching thing, so what? How is that a controversy? She's just suggesting that maybe the sisters should get a new coach to help them on other things. Their parents have given them everything they can possibly give them, nothing more. Venus didn't win Wimbledon with better coaching from her parents, she won because of the skills, talents, and fight that she's always had. Perhaps an earlier coaching change could have meant she would have won a slam even sooner. Who knows. It's not an insult to the sisters or their parents. It's merely a suggestion. Roger Federer was the best in the world and he still went thruogh a coaching change. Why can't the Williams do that? Why is it that suggesting that is insulting and anti-Williams? It's not, it's just something tennis fans and analysts like to ponder, because that's what they do, they ponder shit.

Martian Willow
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:12 PM
I've read worse.

potty
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:37 PM
Well before the final Tracey did pick Venus to win over Linds! Which was a bit of surprise after reading how she apparently hates the Williams sister if you read this board!!

ali
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:39 PM
I totally agree franny. Pundits and commentators are paid to give their opinions. If someone is in a slump and the pundit is asked what they should do about it, they give their opinions! That's what they're paid for.

Darop.
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:40 PM
What did the sisters ever did to tracy austin

Just lovely :D

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:44 PM
Tracy is fine. The one commentator who struck a never with me was Chris E when she described Venus as "a caged animal".That was wrong. That was entirely racist.

When other players fight to the last ounce of their being to win why are they not called "caged animals". Poor choice of words Chris.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:46 PM
Just lovely :D

Not everyone on this board has English as their first language. Idiot!

volta
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Not everyone on this board has English as their first language. Idiot!
like me thats why my english sucks :lol:

anyway the sis Dare to win slams, to be Megastars, to win tournaments to have all the media following their steps etc etc. thats what the sis did :worship:

franny
Jul 4th, 2005, 10:24 PM
Tracy is fine. The one commentator who struck a never with me was Chris E when she described Venus as "a caged animal".That was wrong. That was entirely racist.

When other players fight to the last ounce of their being to win why are they not called "caged animals". Poor choice of words Chris.

Wasn't Chris the one that opened up her home to the Williams when they were still little girls and allowed them to go look at her trophys. Wasn't she the one who's Wimbledon trophy gained the admiration of Venus and made her determined to win Wimbledon, and likewise for Serena and the U.S Open?

ico4498
Jul 4th, 2005, 11:57 PM
The one commentator who struck a never with me was Chris E when she described Venus as "a caged animal".

aye, that was over the top ... Mary Carillo always bugs me. Not overtly biased, just consistently so. back in the day of sister finals she just couldn't stop harping on the "fixed by Richard" theme.

during Wimbledon 2005 Serena was her target. strange thing was ... i kinda agreed with her take. i've thought baby gurl could up her training regimen a mite since the AO. guess i just wonered why she kept making the same point ... over & over & over again. at every lulll and sometimes during the action.

roarke
Jul 4th, 2005, 11:59 PM
Wasn't Chris the one that opened up her home to the Williams when they were still little girls and allowed them to go look at her trophys. Wasn't she the one who's Wimbledon trophy gained the admiration of Venus and made her determined to win Wimbledon, and likewise for Serena and the U.S Open?


No... they have never viewed Chris or Tracy as their heroes or mentors. If Tracy or Chris did so it was to their own benefit and more than likely a media event, a status show for them not because they were interested in Venus and Serena at all. Someday I hope commentary from all will be fair to all without the specter of race, color, creed and sexuality being a factor.

ico4498
Jul 5th, 2005, 12:06 AM
No... they have never viewed Chris or Tracy as their heroes or mentors. If Tracy or Chris did so it was to their own benefit and more than likely a media event, a status show for them not because they were interested in Venus and Serena at all. Someday I hope commentary from all will be fair to all without the specter of race, color, creed and sexuality being a factor.

i don't think of Chrissy as the the great black mentor ... but she was gracious enough to open her home and trophy cabinet for the sisters perusal.

sometimes yah gotta give the devil his due!

pisces
Jul 5th, 2005, 03:25 AM
tHERE WAS NOTHING BAD,THERE.yES vENUS FOUGHT HARD.tHAT SHOW.vENUS IS BACK.wHAT POWER, WOO. i think Serena and Venus record in tennis is better ,then Tracy,pam mary?