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Rtael
Jul 4th, 2005, 01:37 AM
I know there was a discussion a while ago (maybe a year or more, it's hard to remember exactly) about which current players would or would not make the Hall of Fame, and there were a few hotly contested people like Conchita and Mary. With Mary's recent good play she has reached another slam-final, equaled her best result at Wimbledon, and picked up a fourth GS title...and she isn't showing any signs of slowing down just yet, so another slam final/title is not out of the question, especially if she plays mixed/doubles at slams. So is there anyone out there who thinks she still hasn't secured a spot in the Hall of Fame?

cartmancop
Jul 4th, 2005, 01:47 AM
I could definitely see her as a deserving inductee in the future:) Who get's in this year? Is is Novotna? She had 1 GS I think....but several doubles... Pierce should definitely get in though. I think she should go in b4 Martinez.

Rtael
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:52 AM
*bump*

franny
Jul 4th, 2005, 05:14 AM
Pierce I think is a sure-bet. Being the first French Woman in like thirty years to win her home slam, reaching four major finals and winning two, she's in for sure. Plus, she's got longevity and people know that she has overcome a lot to be competing still this late in her career.

Andy.
Jul 4th, 2005, 05:17 AM
Definatly. Winning 2 slams and making 5 finals in total her long gevity and top ten for 6 years and top 20 for 10 at the end of this year. top 5 three year and highest ranking of three plus winning a title on every surface.

selking
Jul 4th, 2005, 05:23 AM
nope, not yet. She need to win like 1 or 2 more if she wants to be in the hall of fame.

jfk
Jul 4th, 2005, 05:58 AM
I don't think she should. She went way too many years since her French title until this year without doing much of anything. How can someone be in the HOF and do nothing in majors for 4 years in what should still be prime years of her career? Players in the hall need to have some form of consistency along with the slam titles. All she really has are those slam titles...not enough tour titles IMO. She's had a great career but she doesn't belong with the best of her era. Novotna was greatly helped by her doubles....Sabatini is more deserving than either one though.

Declan
Jul 4th, 2005, 06:44 AM
She has definitely already done enough. (There are several one-Slam winners in there). Mary's won two in Singles, and been Slam finalist three further times (including once unseeded.) She's now won Slams in both Doubles and Mixed too (I think only Venus and Serena have done that out of today's players, unless I'm inexplicably forgetting someone..) She's also finished in the Top Ten on six occasions, and will hopefully make that seven this year, and her achievements would have undoubtedly been greater but for career-threatening injuries in the prime of her career. Added to this Fed Cup-winning appearances, as well as well-documented family problems in early career plus kudos for glamour, personal appearance, popularity and style, and Mary's a sure bet indeed.

switz
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:12 AM
How can someone be in the HOF and do nothing in majors for 4 years in what should still be prime years of her career?

try because for 2 years with suffered a debilitating back injury that made it almost impossible for her to walk let alone play tennis. this led to a complete loss of condition making her comeback very difficult and also causing further injuries that have made it impossible for her to play at her peak.

it is an absolute credit to her that after all this she has been able to come back at play at the elite standard she currently is and it should only benefit her chances of making the hall of fame IMO.

fOxYLiCiOuS
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:42 AM
Allez Mary! :worship: :kiss: :hearts:

franny
Jul 4th, 2005, 08:00 AM
I don't think she should. She went way too many years since her French title until this year without doing much of anything. How can someone be in the HOF and do nothing in majors for 4 years in what should still be prime years of her career? Players in the hall need to have some form of consistency along with the slam titles. All she really has are those slam titles...not enough tour titles IMO. She's had a great career but she doesn't belong with the best of her era. Novotna was greatly helped by her doubles....Sabatini is more deserving than either one though.

She was injured, did u not know that? If anything, it's a testament that she is back playing amazing tennis again after suffering injury after injury. I mean, I remember back in 2000, she had won the French, and she said she felt she was playing the best tennis of her life and really felt like she had a shot at number 1. Then what happened? The shoulder injury, that stupid injury that kicked her out the entire summer, she tried to come back at the open but just wasn't the same and couldn't serve anywhere near as well, and really struggled for the next four years. She deserves to be in the hall of fame.

Mark Spruce
Jul 4th, 2005, 02:47 PM
VAMOS MARY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mark

Scotso
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:12 PM
Yes.

kabuki
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:14 PM
Mary is in. Yannick gets in this year with one GS title. A historically interesting one, but still one.

Mary is so in.

thelittlestelf
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:14 PM
Mary should definitely be in there. Great career :worship:

Pamela Shriver
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:17 PM
Jeepers, if I can get in then...............!!!!!!!!!

gmak
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:21 PM
absolutely!

allez mary :kiss: :worship: :hearts:

rsunderji
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:22 PM
I don't think she should. She went way too many years since her French title until this year without doing much of anything. How can someone be in the HOF and do nothing in majors for 4 years in what should still be prime years of her career? Players in the hall need to have some form of consistency along with the slam titles. All she really has are those slam titles...not enough tour titles IMO. She's had a great career but she doesn't belong with the best of her era. Novotna was greatly helped by her doubles....Sabatini is more deserving than either one though.

while pierce didn't win much when in the "prime" of her career, the fact remains that she still had two before her rash of injuries and she is she is still in the top ten as of now, and her recent success is all in the "twilight" of her career, so that too should count for something. I almost consider her the female Andre Agassi in that way.

skanky~skanketta
Jul 4th, 2005, 07:39 PM
I could definitely see her as a deserving inductee in the future:) Who get's in this year? Is is Novotna? She had 1 GS I think....but several doubles... Pierce should definitely get in though. I think she should go in b4 Martinez.i think conchi should go in first. her career has been much more consistent. well, it was till 2000.

No Name Face
Jul 4th, 2005, 08:16 PM
Conchita, then Mary, but both should get in. They had Novotna-esque careers.

Declan
Jul 4th, 2005, 08:33 PM
i think conchi should go in first. her career has been much more consistent. well, it was till 2000.

It's not an either/or situation: Conchita Martinez and Mary Pierce will both be admitted into the Tennis Hall of Fame, both deservedly so... Conchita has always been more consistent than Mary -but two Slam wins trump one, two Slam Doubles wins trump none, and a 12-6 head-to-head in Mary's favour (including wins en-route to both her Slam triumphs) indicate her appliction would be the stronger one.

Oneofakind0490
Jul 4th, 2005, 08:40 PM
Mary will make it. If Shriver can make it she can.

MissTennisFan
Jul 4th, 2005, 08:51 PM
Of course she deserves to be in! :D :bounce:

manu32
Jul 4th, 2005, 08:52 PM
only retired players in hall of fame.

mboyle
Jul 4th, 2005, 08:53 PM
the Tennis Hall of Fame is basically for anyone who won grand slams that were not flukes (i.e. no Majoli, no Chris O'Niel.)

chris whiteside
Jul 4th, 2005, 09:01 PM
She has definitely already done enough. (There are several one-Slam winners in there). Mary's won two in Singles, and been Slam finalist three further times (including once unseeded.) She's now won Slams in both Doubles and Mixed too (I think only Venus and Serena have done that out of today's players, unless I'm inexplicably forgetting someone..) She's also finished in the Top Ten on six occasions, and will hopefully make that seven this year, and her achievements would have undoubtedly been greater but for career-threatening injuries in the prime of her career. Added to this Fed Cup-winning appearances, as well as well-documented family problems in early career plus kudos for glamour, personal appearance, popularity and style, and Mary's a sure bet indeed.


In deference to Declan, I'll say no more other than that it's a border line case which will be at least 6 years down the line.

But it was great to see her joy at winning the XD at Wimby yesterday.

raquel
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:36 PM
I don't think she should. She went way too many years since her French title until this year without doing much of anything. How can someone be in the HOF and do nothing in majors for 4 years in what should still be prime years of her career? Players in the hall need to have some form of consistency along with the slam titles.
Well Yannick Noah is in this year and he only reached 2 Grand Slam semi finals in his whole career (the French Open he won and an Australian semi final.)

All she really has are those slam titles...not enough tour titles IMO.
All she has? Tell that to Shriver, Mauresmo, Clijsters etc. They'd gladly swap a load of tour titles to just have "those slam titles", I'm sure.

Mary deserves to go in I think. She's shown her longevity by reaching another GS final this year and if she stays healthy she can play another 2/3 years in the top 20 at least. Hopefully she'll be top 10 again soon. She's won 2 Slams, reached finals over an 11 year period, 2 Grand Slam doubles - better records than some that are in.

I still hope Gaby gets in. If she does not get nominated to go in within the next 2 or 3 years her chance is up I think :(

Volcana
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:43 PM
Considering who's already in, she'll get in.

CooCooCachoo
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:46 PM
Considering who's already in, she'll get in.

Yep, that's what I think.

Nicoleke
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:54 PM
She is a true champion, I love that girl :) :D :) :D ;) !!!!!

Calimero377
Jul 5th, 2005, 07:12 PM
I know there was a discussion a while ago (maybe a year or more, it's hard to remember exactly) about which current players would or would not make the Hall of Fame, and there were a few hotly contested people like Conchita and Mary. With Mary's recent good play she has reached another slam-final, equaled her best result at Wimbledon, and picked up a fourth GS title...and she isn't showing any signs of slowing down just yet, so another slam final/title is not out of the question, especially if she plays mixed/doubles at slams. So is there anyone out there who thinks she still hasn't secured a spot in the Hall of Fame?



The mixed doubles titles will clinch it for her ...

Calimero377
Jul 5th, 2005, 07:13 PM
nope, not yet. She need to win like 1 or 2 more if she wants to be in the hall of fame.


Shriver is in the HoF .....

:lol:

Calimero377
Jul 5th, 2005, 07:15 PM
I don't think she should. She went way too many years since her French title until this year without doing much of anything. How can someone be in the HOF and do nothing in majors for 4 years in what should still be prime years of her career? Players in the hall need to have some form of consistency along with the slam titles. ....


OK.
But tell that those rabid Selesians ....

LeRoy.
Jul 5th, 2005, 07:17 PM
without a doubt :)

crazillo
Jul 6th, 2005, 03:46 PM
Guys are talking of GS titles as if they were peanuts which you can pick up somewhere for a cheap price. Hell, it is a LOT of work to win one of these damn titles, ask Jana Novotna.

I think many deserve to be in that hall and it's a great honour for them!

Doubles is a part of the sport so I definitely think Mary can get in, too (considering she has won "all kinds of GS titles" now).

Renek
Jul 6th, 2005, 04:12 PM
oF Course Mary is a hall of fame!!!, She deserves it... all of her GS titles (singles, doubles, mixed) and her amazing comeback from injuries...:worship:...not much playerss can do THAT...:clap2:

aheee!!
Jul 6th, 2005, 04:53 PM
I wouldn't say she is a sure bet. Novotna and shriver are really the only ones who have been inducted recently who haven't one more than one slam and were significantly helped by their doubles. I think she's got a shot--another singles slam title would seal it for her obviously.

In general the hall of fame in strange-maybe they should have different "levels" of enshrinment. Should Pam shriver be equally enshrined with evert navratilova and graf?

for the future players..

Mary has 2 slams, but only 14 other titles
Capriati 3 slams, but only 11 other titles
Conchita has 1 slam, and 32 other titles
Gaby 1 slam, 26 other titles

so not really sure how they detremine anything, but it seems gaby will never get in--it's been 9 years snce she retired already,

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:04 PM
Hall of fame maybe for French people..because she is a french woman, but she has not done anything more remarkable than other players cept win the French in 2000...Myskina and Kuetnesova has won 1 grand slam too..but they are not Hall of Fame players. Clisters and Mauresmo are more noted players than Pierce is..and they have not even won a grand slam.

the bambi
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:20 PM
Mary has 2 slams, but only 14 other titles
Capriati 3 slams, but only 11 other titles

pierce and capriati have the same amount of singles titles? wow.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 6th, 2005, 05:23 PM
nope, not yet. She need to win like 1 or 2 more if she wants to be in the hall of fame. oh you mean like pam shriver did?

raquel
Jul 6th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Clisters and Mauresmo are more noted players than Pierce is..and they have not even won a grand slam.
I wonder if you asked Amelie if she would swap her career to date for Mary's what she would take. Amelie could win a Slam in the future but she hasn't made a final in over 6 years so you have to wonder that if she is more noted than Mary as you say, whether that is deserved or not. I'd definitely put Mary in ahead of Kim and Amelie.

Shana
Jul 6th, 2005, 07:37 PM
Hall of fame..or not,i dunno
but u'll always be my favorite!
I adore u!

Juju Nostalgique
May 21st, 2012, 11:04 AM
Not yet? :sobbing:

Miracle Worker
May 21st, 2012, 12:34 PM
Peak Pierce doesn't need things like HOF :o

Juju Nostalgique
May 21st, 2012, 01:54 PM
^ :sobbing: