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DevilishAttitude
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:18 PM
Would she be recieving as much praise from the Williams fans has she is currently? :confused:

Infiniti2001
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:23 PM
Would she be recieving as much praise from the Williams fans has she is currently? :confused:

YES, because Lindsay and the Williams fans have always gotten along ---you just haven't been around long enough to realize it :o

VS Fan
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:23 PM
I can't speak for all fans, but she gets an A+ from me.

She was the best player in 2004 and still going strong.

I love to see her winning, except for when it's Venus or Serena.
She pretty much swept Venus and Serena among others in 2004.

VRee_Willario
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:24 PM
Would she be recieving as much praise from the Williams fans has she is currently? :confused:
I don't know, I like Lindsay a lot, but of course I would've been very disappointed for venus after all that hard work. But I would have gongratulated Lindsay and would have been happy for her ;)
When Lindsay's playing any one else I'm very Sad when she loses and I hope she does really well the rest of the season

SJW
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:26 PM
yea Lindsay's quality :yeah: i've never said any different

Pureracket
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:27 PM
If LD had won yesterday, would Devil be so obviously seeking attention?

*Pureracket reports thread to Royale Courte Troll Commissioners*

Nabalonge
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:28 PM
If you read many posts by fans of Venus (and Serena) that praised Lindsay, a lot of them talked about the level of play, intensity during the match. Both players were applauded for their efforts and to this date I haven't seen one that attacked either Venus or Lindsay's play unless it was someone trying to discredit both or someone upset their favorite wasn't in the final. A lot more admiration came after the match and that was based on reactions of both players but also a sense of loss for Lindsay. That wasn't false and I have a hard time thinking that sentiment would have been turned into something negative if the opposite result had occured. When it's a good match and either player could have won you're hard pressed to be a negative person and I would like to think that the reactions would be the same by Lindsay fans if Venus had lost too.

I've never understood why it's okay to be mean and offensive instead of exhibiting respect and admiration.

*Karen*
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:34 PM
I think she's getting praise from everyone including Venus fans because of the way in which she lost the match. Neither Lindsay or Venus deserved to lose that match and although they're ecstatic for Venus I think everybody is gutted for Lindsay at the same time.

tennislover
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:37 PM
.......wtaworld venus fans would have needed a huge stock of PROZAC.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:40 PM
.......wtaworld venus fans would have needed a huge stock of PROZAC.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

A lot of Venus fans are Lindsay fans like myself, so it would've been great if Lindsay won as well. Some one-dimensional people can't understand that though :o

lindsayno1
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:40 PM
i wasnt so gutted when she lost the AO - cos she got trampled over in the end and didnt fight.

Here she fought to the bitter end and it could have gone either way at any time. its a shame they had to stop when lindsay did her back in :(

kiwifan
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:51 PM
Always trying to start trouble. :yawn:

the answer is yes.

when she lost to Serena and no Williams fans (and definitely no Williams Haters :devil: ) praised her because of the way she lost.

this time in losing to Venus, Lindsay played like a champion; so there only reason she's getting praise is because she deserves it.

I believe most people who have heaped praise on her said she deserved to win...instead of attacking Williams fans you should give us credit.

When we see real class (a rare event), we praise it. :devil: :p :devil:

volta
Jul 3rd, 2005, 08:01 PM
trying to start something that itīs not there right :rolleyes:

of course most of the Williams fans never said a bad thing about Lindsay and most of them are (me included) Lindsay fans. why try to put us against each other?! not working btw :wavey:

Denise4925
Jul 3rd, 2005, 08:04 PM
A lot of Venus fans are Lindsay fans like myself, so it would've been great if Lindsay won as well. Some one-dimensional people can't understand that though :o
No, it's just that some people are so young and full of hate that they'll try to discredit certain tennis players and their fans in any way they can, no matter how irrational it may seem.

serenafan08
Jul 3rd, 2005, 08:06 PM
trying to start something that itīs not there right :rolleyes:

of course most of the Williams fans never said a bad thing about Lindsay and most of them are (me included) Lindsay fans. why try to put us against each other?! not working btw :wavey:
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Denise4925
Jul 3rd, 2005, 08:06 PM
trying to start something that itīs not there right :rolleyes:

of course most of the Williams fans never said a bad thing about Lindsay and most of them are (me included) Lindsay fans. why try to put us against each other?! not working btw :wavey:
Me too. :wavey:

tennislover
Jul 3rd, 2005, 08:11 PM
A lot of Venus fans are Lindsay fans like myself, so it would've been great if Lindsay won as well. Some one-dimensional people can't understand that though :o

yea i'm one-dimensional, i.e. Martina-dimensional.... :) ;)

Madhuri
Jul 3rd, 2005, 08:22 PM
Thank goodness we'll never know the answer to this question.

icequeen
Jul 3rd, 2005, 08:40 PM
Would she be recieving as much praise from the Williams fans has she is currently? :confused:


Of course she would. Don't forget that the majority of the WS fans are fans of Lindsay too.

tiger
Jul 3rd, 2005, 08:52 PM
I am still a davenportfan, so i would have been more satisfied if lindsay had won!

But i guess also Venus deserves it and so i only can congratulate her to the victory!
next time lindsay will have the better end!! i am sure!! ;)

DevilishAttitude
Jul 3rd, 2005, 09:20 PM
If LD had won yesterday, would Devil be so obviously seeking attention?

*Pureracket reports thread to Royale Courte Troll Commissioners*

Of course I would be ;)

spencercarlos
Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:35 PM
I can't speak for all fans, but she gets an A+ from me.

She was the best player in 2004 and still going strong.

I love to see her winning, except for when it's Venus or Serena.
She pretty much swept Venus and Serena among others in 2004.
Not really Devilishattitude.
Of course now that Venus won, Lindsay is the best player of 2004, they need to make Lindsay look better in order for her win to look bigger :p As it would need that :p But no way winning a grand slam is the ultimate achievement :worship:
Forgetting that Sharapova won a slam and the masters :rolleyes:

They were all saying how much Venus was going to straight set Davenport after she beat Sharapova before the final, and they got a big scare, as i said on a post it was up to both players because Lindsay could have won, and she showed.
It will be very interesting to see how Venus fares against Henin-Hardene, pretty much against the top ten, which she struggled a lot for two years, now this year finally she is in there again and beaten 3 of them (if im not mistaken).
Too bad for Davenport, i think she wonīt be able to overcome this, she was serving for the match in the second set, was ahead 4-2 40-15 in the third, match point at 5-4, 15-30 games at 5-6 and 6-7 with Venusīs serving, its tough, those losses can stay in your head pretty much, and Davenport who is in her late/ending of her carreer, this can be definetly her last grand slam final.
Remmember that Henin/Kim are coming back strong, Venus is back again, so it will be tougher than probably in 4 of last 5 grand slams where Lindsay has been on a great position to win and has let each of them slip away.

Pureracket
Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:38 PM
Not really Devilishattitude.
Of course now that Venus won, Lindsay is the best player of 2004, they need to make Lindsay look better in order for her win to look bigger :p As it would need that :p But no way winning a grand slam is the ultimate achievement :worship:
Forgetting that Sharapova won a slam and the masters :rolleyes:

They were all saying how much Venus was going to straight set Davenport after she beat Sharapova before the final, and they got a big scare, as i said on a post it was up to both players because Lindsay could have won, and she showed.
It will be very interesting to see how Venus fares against Henin-Hardene, pretty much against the top ten, which she struggled a lot for two years, now this year finally she is in there again and beaten 3 of them (if im not mistaken).
Too bad for Davenport, i think she wonīt be able to overcome this, she was serving for the match in the second set, was ahead 4-2 40-15 in the third, match point at 5-4, 15-30 games at 5-6 and 6-7 with Venusīs serving, its tough, those losses can stay in your head pretty much, and Davenport who is in her late/ending of her carreer, this can be definetly her last grand slam final.
Remmember that Henin/Kim are coming back strong, Venus is back again, so it will be tougher than probably in 4 of last 5 grand slams where Lindsay has been on a great position to win and has let each of them slip away.You should save this. You've managed to demonize an entire fanbase with the word "they."

Mad-About-Venus
Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:51 PM
No doubt about it, no doubt .... about.... IT.

Lindsay deserves to be praised simply for being a wonderful human being. She truly is an amazing woman. Only for that I love her. Yes I was happy for Venus, but I was extremely hard broken for Lindsay. She deserved the win just as much and I would have been just as happy for her as I was for Venus. I love both ladies.

skanky~skanketta
Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:52 PM
i'm sure they would. most of the williams fans are pretty graceful, with a few notable exceptions.

personally, i cant stand some lindsay and sharapova fans.

spencercarlos
Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:56 PM
You should save this. You've managed to demonize an entire fanbase with the word "they."
Most of Venus fans were pretty sure that Lindsay had no chance to beat Venus after the semifinals, im not inveting anything go read the posts :p

spencercarlos
Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:57 PM
No doubt about it, no doubt .... about.... IT.

Lindsay deserves to be praised simply for being a wonderful human being. She truly is an amazing woman. Only for that I love her. Yes I was happy for Venus, but I was extremely hard broken for Lindsay. She deserved the win just as much and I would have been just as happy for her as I was for Venus. I love both ladies.
No doubt Lindsay needed this win more than Venus... especially since Venus is 5 years younger...

SJW
Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:58 PM
Most of Venus fans were pretty sure that Lindsay had no chance to beat Venus after the semifinals, im not inveting anything go read the posts :p

thats funny cuz a lot of fans of Venus (myself included) refused to comment on the outcome of the match in fear of jinxing it :o

Mad-About-Venus
Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:59 PM
Most of Venus fans were pretty sure that Lindsay had no chance to beat Venus after the semifinals, im not inveting anything go read the posts :p

I knew she had a great chance based on how she had played her last couple of matches. I didn't take it for granted, I would have been a fool to do that. Lindsay had the match on her hands anyway, it was hers to win.

SjuTjuD
Jul 4th, 2005, 12:00 AM
How many Venus fans total are there at this message site?

How many of them commented on the outcome?

What percentage does that come out to?

:)

spencercarlos
Jul 4th, 2005, 12:11 AM
How many Venus fans total are there at this message site?

How many of them commented on the outcome?

What percentage does that come out to?

:)
Too much math to do :p no time for it..
Anyway Venus fans are very confident, they have enough reasons to.

PaulieM
Jul 4th, 2005, 12:14 AM
they both played a great match and towards the end i really wished that neither one would have to lose. as happy as i am for venus, lindsay woud have been equally deserving of the title.

mykarma
Jul 4th, 2005, 12:15 AM
Would she be recieving as much praise from the Williams fans has she is currently? :confused:
Why do you care?

mykarma
Jul 4th, 2005, 12:25 AM
Most of Venus fans were pretty sure that Lindsay had no chance to beat Venus after the semifinals, im not inveting anything go read the posts :p
:confused: :tape: :tape:

RVD
Jul 4th, 2005, 12:36 AM
How many Venus fans total are there at this message site?

How many of them commented on the outcome?

What percentage does that come out to?

:)I must say, SjuTjuD, you are an EXCELLENT addition to this message board. :wavey: You just make so much sense, and I am enjoying your posts immensely.

Topic-wise:
As far as I can remember (including way back when I was with two other massage boards), Venus and Lindsay fans have ALWAYS respected each other. The only beef that I can recall is when Richard Williams and Lindsay had it out. But even then, (especially after Richard made apologies to Lindsay), both fan bases were respectful.

I think because Haters spend most of their time hating, they never allow themselves the oportunity to really observe the alliances between the two fan bases. And so we get these silly threads like this one.
all one has to do is look at the most recent American Fed Cup team and see just how well Lindsay and the Williams sisters get along. But of course that is not the original intent of this thread, right DevilishAttitude? ;) The more people realize how kewl the Williams fans are, the more people like DevilishAttitude try to prevent it. Tch-tch-tch... http://deephousepage.com/smilies/nono.gif

Denise4925
Jul 4th, 2005, 12:46 AM
Most of Venus fans were pretty sure that Lindsay had no chance to beat Venus after the semifinals, im not inveting anything go read the posts :p
Well, since you read every post by Venus fans, including the Venus' player forum, please post the threads and the post numbers so that we can see just how many and who you are referring to in particular, because I never said Venus would win or lose. I was taking one match at a time, just like Venus herself. Furthermore, I even stated that if Venus doesn't win this, I'm glad it's Lindsay, because I'm a fan of her's too.

Also, I don't see how much better we can make Lindsay look as she is the No. 1 player. :rolleyes:

Yeah, Sharapova won a slam, exactly one year ago and has been beaten by Serena, Lindsay, Justine, Kim and now Venus since then. She's also been double bageled, so I don't think it's Venus we need to worry about against the Top Ten this season. I think Maria's fans are the ones who need to worry a little. :rolleyes: Yes, Venus has had some bad matches against some opponents who have not been in the top twenty, but at least she's never been bageled, let alone double bageled.

Jakeev
Jul 4th, 2005, 12:50 AM
YES, because Lindsay and the Williams fans have always gotten along ---you just haven't been around long enough to realize it :o

Well now they have not always gotten along. In the old days when the sisters where still rising in the ranks and Lindsay was well up there, a lot of Williams fans were pretty mean towards her.

However, as all three players have matured and gotten to know each other, there is a wonderful amount of mutual respect between them that I love.

RVD
Jul 4th, 2005, 01:40 AM
Well, since you read every post by Venus fans, including the Venus' player forum, please post the threads and the post numbers so that we can see just how many and who you are referring to in particular, because I never said Venus would win or lose. I was taking one match at a time, just like Venus herself. Furthermore, I even stated that if Venus doesn't win this, I'm glad it's Lindsay, because I'm a fan of her's too.

Also, I don't see how much better we can make Lindsay look as she is the No. 1 player. :rolleyes:

Yeah, Sharapova won a slam, exactly one year ago and has been beaten by Serena, Lindsay, Justine, Kim and now Venus since then. She's also been double bageled, so I don't think it's Venus we need to worry about against the Top Ten this season. I think Maria's fans are the ones who need to worry a little. :rolleyes: Yes, Venus has had some bad matches against some opponents who have not been in the top twenty, but at least she's never been bageled, let alone double bageled. :worship: :worship: OWNED!

Why people make these unfounded generalities, as spencercarlos does, is beyond me. Don't they realize that they'll be called on to produce the facts? :shrug:

Incidentally, I read quite a few of my Royal Court peeps posts, and most said that they did not want to get ahead of themselves in predicting a Venus win. I myself posted that anything beyond the qtrs (concerning Vee's wins) was icing on the cake. If that's predicting a Venus victory, then I guess I'm guilty as charged. :lol:

lizchris
Jul 4th, 2005, 01:46 AM
Obviously I would have been disappointed if Venus lost to Lindsay, but I would have praised her because I like her and I am a fan of hers. I praised her when she beat Venus at Bank of the West and the US Open.

Denise4925
Jul 4th, 2005, 01:56 AM
:worship: :worship: OWNED!

Why people make these unfounded generalities, as spencercarlos does, is beyond me. Don't they realize that they'll be called on to produce the facts? :shrug:

Incidentally, I read quite a few of my Royal Court peeps posts, and most said that they did not want to get ahead of themselves in predicting a Venus win. I myself posted that anything beyond the qtrs (concerning Vee's wins) was icing on the cake. If that's predicting a Venus victory, then I guess I'm guilty as charged. :lol:
This is exactly true of the majority of the Venus fans that post here. Maybe he went to another message board, but he's known for putting words in people's mouths to make his point. :rolleyes:

Infiniti2001
Jul 4th, 2005, 02:51 AM
Not really Devilishattitude.
Of course now that Venus won, Lindsay is the best player of 2004, they need to make Lindsay look better in order for her win to look bigger :p As it would need that :p But no way winning a grand slam is the ultimate achievement :worship:
Forgetting that Sharapova won a slam and the masters :rolleyes:

They were all saying how much Venus was going to straight set Davenport after she beat Sharapova before the final, and they got a big scare, as i said on a post it was up to both players because Lindsay could have won, and she showed.
It will be very interesting to see how Venus fares against Henin-Hardene, pretty much against the top ten, which she struggled a lot for two years, now this year finally she is in there again and beaten 3 of them (if im not mistaken).
Too bad for Davenport, i think she wonīt be able to overcome this, she was serving for the match in the second set, was ahead 4-2 40-15 in the third, match point at 5-4, 15-30 games at 5-6 and 6-7 with Venusīs serving, its tough, those losses can stay in your head pretty much, and Davenport who is in her late/ending of her carreer, this can be definetly her last grand slam final.
Remmember that Henin/Kim are coming back strong, Venus is back again, so it will be tougher than probably in 4 of last 5 grand slams where Lindsay has been on a great position to win and has let each of them slip away.


Get over yourself with your (sourgrapes)http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9883/sourgrapes2hn.jpg You are one of those who constantly put Venus down. How's that egg on your face? :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:07 AM
Get over yourself with your (sourgrapes)http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9883/sourgrapes2hn.jpg You are one of those who constantly put Venus down. How's that egg on your face? :rolleyes:
Can you blame him? They've got to be pretty bitter tasting. ;)

jacs
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:31 AM
Honestly, threads like these would only attract unwarranted, needless negativity.

As a long-time Lindsay fan, I have found that alot of Venus fans are very respectful to her and give her credit and encouragement whenever they can and especially during the last few years. I know quite a few of Venus fans myself and I think they are very respectable, articulate and classy people.

vettipooh
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:56 AM
Would she be recieving as much praise from the Williams fans has she is currently? :confused:Of course!! We Williams fans always give credit to our opponents. We are very gracious in defeat.:angel: :p :hearts: :kiss: :wavey:

mykarma
Jul 4th, 2005, 04:31 AM
Well, since you read every post by Venus fans, including the Venus' player forum, please post the threads and the post numbers so that we can see just how many and who you are referring to in particular, because I never said Venus would win or lose. I was taking one match at a time, just like Venus herself. Furthermore, I even stated that if Venus doesn't win this, I'm glad it's Lindsay, because I'm a fan of her's too.

Also, I don't see how much better we can make Lindsay look as she is the No. 1 player. :rolleyes:

Yeah, Sharapova won a slam, exactly one year ago and has been beaten by Serena, Lindsay, Justine, Kim and now Venus since then. She's also been double bageled, so I don't think it's Venus we need to worry about against the Top Ten this season. I think Maria's fans are the ones who need to worry a little. :rolleyes: Yes, Venus has had some bad matches against some opponents who have not been in the top twenty, but at least she's never been bageled, let alone double bageled.
:woohoo: :woohoo: :haha: :haha:

lindsayno1
Jul 4th, 2005, 08:55 AM
i dont understand how people expect teh world no1 to win everything....!!! god help it when Maria gets no1!

Veenut
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:00 PM
If you read many posts by fans of Venus (and Serena) that praised Lindsay, a lot of them talked about the level of play, intensity during the match. Both players were applauded for their efforts and to this date I haven't seen one that attacked either Venus or Lindsay's play unless it was someone trying to discredit both or someone upset their favorite wasn't in the final. A lot more admiration came after the match and that was based on reactions of both players but also a sense of loss for Lindsay. That wasn't false and I have a hard time thinking that sentiment would have been turned into something negative if the opposite result had occured. When it's a good match and either player could have won you're hard pressed to be a negative person and I would like to think that the reactions would be the same by Lindsay fans if Venus had lost too.

I've never understood why it's okay to be mean and offensive instead of exhibiting respect and admiration.

Well stated and I totally concur!!! :worship:

As for people who are constantly mean and offensive, they use it as a sort of defense mechanism in order to hide their insecurities and low self worth. When anyone constantly resort to degrading others in order to elevate another that is a dead give away.

Anyway as a Williams fan I have no problem giving Lindsay credit for her efforts and I also mostly admire the way she has matured into a wonderful human being. :hearts:

Veenut
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:05 PM
Well, since you read every post by Venus fans, including the Venus' player forum, please post the threads and the post numbers so that we can see just how many and who you are referring to in particular, because I never said Venus would win or lose. I was taking one match at a time, just like Venus herself. Furthermore, I even stated that if Venus doesn't win this, I'm glad it's Lindsay, because I'm a fan of her's too.

Also, I don't see how much better we can make Lindsay look as she is the No. 1 player. :rolleyes:

Yeah, Sharapova won a slam, exactly one year ago and has been beaten by Serena, Lindsay, Justine, Kim and now Venus since then. She's also been double bageled, so I don't think it's Venus we need to worry about against the Top Ten this season. I think Maria's fans are the ones who need to worry a little. :rolleyes: Yes, Venus has had some bad matches against some opponents who have not been in the top twenty, but at least she's never been bageled, let alone double bageled.

Great job!!! :D

spencercarlos
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:19 PM
Get over yourself with your (sourgrapes)http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9883/sourgrapes2hn.jpg You are one of those who constantly put Venus down. How's that egg on your face? :rolleyes:
Sorry but i was not the one who was constantly putting Venus down, Venus was indeed. She was the one who had more than three years without winning a slam.
Everybody was looking for answers, i had my own theory. She certainly came with a better serving stuff (indeed the best in a long time) and a more consistent play on her forehand. And those were exactly the topics i have named about Venusīs struggle over and over in the past months.

spencercarlos
Jul 4th, 2005, 03:27 PM
Well, since you read every post by Venus fans, including the Venus' player forum, please post the threads and the post numbers so that we can see just how many and who you are referring to in particular, because I never said Venus would win or lose. I was taking one match at a time, just like Venus herself. Furthermore, I even stated that if Venus doesn't win this, I'm glad it's Lindsay, because I'm a fan of her's too.

Also, I don't see how much better we can make Lindsay look as she is the No. 1 player. :rolleyes:

Yeah, Sharapova won a slam, exactly one year ago and has been beaten by Serena, Lindsay, Justine, Kim and now Venus since then. She's also been double bageled, so I don't think it's Venus we need to worry about against the Top Ten this season. I think Maria's fans are the ones who need to worry a little. :rolleyes: Yes, Venus has had some bad matches against some opponents who have not been in the top twenty, but at least she's never been bageled, let alone double bageled.
Venus has indeed being bageled at times, Hingis did that to her at least two times, and against Davenport she has been bageled too.
Anyway Iīm not comparing Venus with Sharapova, i just stated that i will be interesting to see how the rest of the year goes, without any doubt Venus winning revolves everything and it will be nice to see who lifts the Usopen trohpy since at this point no one is dominating or a clear cut to win (except Henin at clay) and Davenport-Sharapova-Henin being the most consistent players of this year. Weīll see.