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xan
Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:18 AM
Current Ranking Points
Lindsay 5613
Maria 4452

The gap of 1150 points now looks very large between Maria and Lindsay, so can Maria really get the No 1 this year??

This Summer Maria only actually defends 92 points (her 17th best total) from the US Open. All her other Summer results last year aren't included in her total.

Lindsay defends 282 points from (Stanford), 396 (Los Angeles), 461 (SanDiego), 175 (Cincinnati), 456 (US Open) for a total of 1770 points.

If neither of them played at all this summer then Maria would overtake Lindsay just before the US Open, and be 500 points ahead of Lindsay after the Open. (However Mauresmo or someone else might overtake them both.)

But realistically, if Maria can score comparably, (or even a few hundred points worse than Lindsay) this summer, she could gain the Number one around US Open time.

Dan23
Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:30 AM
Maria can surely get to #1 this year :)
Lindsay would need to defend most of her titles without Maria achieving much...Maria will set herself for a huge hardcourt season and would be likely to possibly pick up a title or two. The USO is where Maria can build up some major points if she gets deep into the draw :cool:

Andy.
Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:32 AM
Maria will definatly have a chance but she has a great deal of competition With Venus back to her best, Lindsay loves this surface and many others. Masha will have to play really well but as she has said many times if not today or next week it will come eventually i have no doubt about that.

sharapovarulz1
Jul 3rd, 2005, 01:33 PM
i hope she does get to da number 1 spot!

Andy Mac
Jul 3rd, 2005, 05:33 PM
all i know is shes gona win the rogers cup..and i will be there to cheer her on:cool:

Maria Croft
Jul 3rd, 2005, 07:09 PM
Maria has a good shot at getting to the number 1, she just has to do what she always does, play well and the points will come lol

But I expect Lindsay to defend most of her points, so it's up to Maria if she will be able to get to the number 1

But I can definitely see Maria at the number 1 after the US open !!

Go Maria !!

andrewbroad
Jul 3rd, 2005, 11:09 PM
Well I'd much rather Maria won another Grand Slam title than become world number one and have all the haters on General Messages say (quite rightly, because I condemn Davenport, Clijsters and Mauresmo by the same logic) that she wouldn't be the true #1 because she hasn't won a Grand Slam title in the last 52 weeks.

It would be so cool to have Maria's WTA profile (http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/playerbio.asp?PlayerID=310137) list her highest ranking as #1, even if she would only hold it for one week. But it would be even cooler if she could become #1 by winning the US Open.

Maria has the talent to dominate the women's tour as Roger Federer is currently dominating the men's game, possibly in 2006. I believe she will win many more Grand Slam titles in the future, and her ranking will take care of itself.

At the end of the day, Maria's ranking is just a datum in the WTA's ranking-system. Nothing matches the thrill of holding up a Grand Slam trophy.

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xan
Jul 4th, 2005, 11:40 AM
I'd rather see Maria win another slam or two as well. But I won't spit at No 1 ranking.

As for Lindsay. She too will have to face a lot of opposition this summer, so hanging on to her points will be harder than last year. Venus has said she doesn't plan to play all the tournaments, and I am doubtful as to whether or not she can hold on to her Wimbledon form consistently.

I would rather not see Maria seeded No 1 for the US Open, too much pressure. But there is a possibility of the spot soon after. The thread was really aimed at those writing her off without a chance of getting No 1 this year.

sharapovarulz1
Jul 5th, 2005, 12:30 PM
all i know is shes gona win the rogers cup..and i will be there to cheer her on:cool:

you lucky sod! :D

Maria Croft
Jul 5th, 2005, 03:55 PM
I really want Maria to be number one as soon as possible, because once she had that position it doesn't matter anymore, she will be a number 1 player !! that is something really special, I don't care if it's only one week, I just wanna see Maria there, and after that I don't care about her ranking anymore, then it's all about the slams !!

franny
Jul 5th, 2005, 05:54 PM
Well, Mauresmo is defending Rogers Cup right? Plus thats the only tournament she'll play so we shouldn't have to worry much about Mauresmo. Maria is playing Rogers and San Diego, both tier ones. She needs to reach at least the semis of both events(I'd prefer it if she won of course) plus semis of the open to get the number 1 rank because Davenport is playing a lot more than she is. D is going to play Standford, San Diego, Los Angeles, and possibly New Haven, and then the U.S Open. If Lindsay somehow defends all her points, then Maria will have to gain 1150 points by herself, which means she needs to win both San Diego and Toronto and then reach semis of the Open or win one tier one and reach the finals of the two other or just win the U.S Open and do quarters/semis of the two tier ones. That's of course if Lindsay wins everything again, which I hope she does not. Hopefully Lindsay runs into the belgians and Williams early on and loses to them, like Maria had to during the clay court season. And not a choking Kim either, though I doubt Kim will choke in regular events.

Andy Mac
Jul 6th, 2005, 12:11 AM
you lucky sod! :D
hahaha whatever a sod is...im glad to be it:cool:

Dan23
Jul 6th, 2005, 12:14 AM
Well, Mauresmo is defending Rogers Cup right? Plus thats the only tournament she'll play so we shouldn't have to worry much about Mauresmo. Maria is playing Rogers and San Diego, both tier ones. She needs to reach at least the semis of both events(I'd prefer it if she won of course) plus semis of the open to get the number 1 rank because Davenport is playing a lot more than she is. D is going to play Standford, San Diego, Los Angeles, and possibly New Haven, and then the U.S Open. If Lindsay somehow defends all her points, then Maria will have to gain 1150 points by herself, which means she needs to win both San Diego and Toronto and then reach semis of the Open or win one tier one and reach the finals of the two other or just win the U.S Open and do quarters/semis of the two tier ones. That's of course if Lindsay wins everything again, which I hope she does not. Hopefully Lindsay runs into the belgians and Williams early on and loses to them, like Maria had to during the clay court season. And not a choking Kim either, though I doubt Kim will choke in regular events.
Maria is also playing Los Angeles so theres some points to be made there as well ;)

xan
Jul 6th, 2005, 12:39 AM
Well, Mauresmo is defending Rogers Cup right? Plus thats the only tournament she'll play so we shouldn't have to worry much about Mauresmo. Maria is playing Rogers and San Diego, both tier ones. She needs to reach at least the semis of both events(I'd prefer it if she won of course) plus semis of the open to get the number 1 rank because Davenport is playing a lot more than she is. D is going to play Standford, San Diego, Los Angeles, and possibly New Haven, and then the U.S Open. If Lindsay somehow defends all her points, then Maria will have to gain 1150 points by herself, which means she needs to win both San Diego and Toronto and then reach semis of the Open or win one tier one and reach the finals of the two other or just win the U.S Open and do quarters/semis of the two tier ones. That's of course if Lindsay wins everything again, which I hope she does not. Hopefully Lindsay runs into the belgians and Williams early on and loses to them, like Maria had to during the clay court season. And not a choking Kim either, though I doubt Kim will choke in regular events.

Interesting. I think Maria is scheduled to attend LA, San Diego and the Canadian Open, and then take a one week break before the USO. Hopefully she'll do well this summer. Lindsay will have a hard task keeping all her points from last year.

morningglory
Jul 6th, 2005, 01:12 AM
Uh... I only want her to be No.1 ONLY if she can stay there for a long time, when she's at her peak... So a year or to from now wouldn't hurt. However, I want her to keep on winning big matches, too, but I guess then she'll likely be No.1 after the USO (only 2nd round pts, she'll gather up several hundreds more).
So... hoping she gets there and STAYS there, and to not let the publicity get to her like it did this time last year

Maria Croft
Jul 6th, 2005, 09:21 AM
Uh... I only want her to be No.1 ONLY if she can stay there for a long time, when she's at her peak... So a year or to from now wouldn't hurt. However, I want her to keep on winning big matches, too, but I guess then she'll likely be No.1 after the USO (only 2nd round pts, she'll gather up several hundreds more).
So... hoping she gets there and STAYS there, and to not let the publicity get to her like it did this time last year


well that's not really fair, she just won her first grand slam as a 17 year old, and she got over that very fast !! I'm very positive that won't happen

Andy Mac
Jul 6th, 2005, 02:48 PM
i dont think the fame and fortune effected her that much!

Maria Croft
Jul 6th, 2005, 08:36 PM
i dont think the fame and fortune effected her that much!


well she did lose to Washington in the 2nd round, but after that she was the same old Maria

Andy Mac
Jul 6th, 2005, 09:21 PM
i hate mashona!

sharapovarulz1
Jul 6th, 2005, 10:24 PM
I know same ere!

Maryamator
Jul 9th, 2005, 07:47 PM
sharapova will be 1 but no1 knowz when

sharapovarulz1
Jul 10th, 2005, 10:18 AM
sharapova will be 1 but no1 knowz when

simple as! :)

andrewbroad
Aug 2nd, 2005, 01:15 AM
Maria will become #1 overtake Davenport on 22nd August if neither Maria nor Davenport plays before then. It's very likely that Davenport won't play, because she has a lower-back strain which she wants to recover from in time for the US Open.

1st August:
#1 Lindsay Davenport (4475)
#2 Maria Sharapova (4452)

8th August:
#1 Lindsay Davenport (4475)
#2 Maria Sharapova (4452)

15th August:
#1 Lindsay Davenport (4475)
#2 Maria Sharapova (4452)

22nd August (Cincinnati 2004 points come off):
#1 Maria Sharapova (4452)
#2 Lindsay Davenport (4475 - 175 = 4300)

N.B.

Maria won't be losing any ranking-points in this period because San Diego 2004 and Montréal 2004 are outside her best 17 results.
I have ignored the possibility that someone else could overtake them both to become #1. Amélie Mauresmo is close with 4208 points (as of 25th July) - she's defending 401 points for winning Montréal 2004 (off 8th August), and 286 points for her silver medal at the Athens Olympics (off 22nd August).
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But #1 means nothing without a Grand Slam title in the last 52 weeks, except for the sake of the "highest ranking" field on Maria's profile. At the end of the day, it's just a datum in the WTA's ranking-system. Nothing matches the thrill of holding up a Grand Slam trophy. Maria will have everything to prove at the US Open.

For in truth, there's no single best player in women's tennis today. You have to go all the way back to the Australian Open 2004 to find a Grand Slam champion ranked #1 - in fact, in the six Grand Slams since then, the champions have all been outside the top five!

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morningglory
Aug 2nd, 2005, 01:47 AM
But #1 means nothing without a Grand Slam title in the last 52 weeks, except for the sake of the "highest ranking" field on Maria's profile. At the end of the day, it's just a datum in the WTA's ranking-system. Nothing matches the thrill of holding up a Grand Slam trophy. Maria will have everything to prove at the US Open

true... but somehow I find that if Maria can reach no.1 and stay there not just for 2 weeks, but like 8 years... until she retires... that would be like winning 2342347385784972389 slams :)
However I have a stong feeling that this USO is hers. The comebacks have ended; Serena at AO, Kim at Indian Wells and Miami, Justine on clay, Venus at Wimby, no one's left to make a comeback! Go, Angel! :hearts:

Portobello
Aug 2nd, 2005, 02:18 PM
true... but somehow I find that if Maria can reach no.1 and stay there not just for 2 weeks, but like 8 years... until she retires... that would be like winning 2342347385784972389 slams :)
However I have a stong feeling that this USO is hers. The comebacks have ended; Serena at AO, Kim at Indian Wells and Miami, Justine on clay, Venus at Wimby, no one's left to make a comeback! Go, Angel! :hearts:
:lol: :lol:
I hope ya're right,that's best I asking for
I really want her to win New York this year to shut the haters up and I do really hate when they said Maria doesn't deserve No1 blah blah blah and compare her to Momo or Kim :fiery:
arhhh I didn't mean to brag them but why compare Maria to them,atleast Maria got one and surely much much more when the time come :angel:

Andy Mac
Aug 3rd, 2005, 01:44 PM
she will become number 1 before the uso then...cuz shes playin rogers cup...even if she didnt do anyhting and lindsay didnt either shed reach it...but she is playing...

andrewbroad
Aug 3rd, 2005, 10:46 PM
true... but somehow I find that if Maria can reach no.1 and stay there not just for 2 weeks, but like 8 years... until she retires...

It would be sad indeed if Maria retired at 26, as Iva Majoli did last year. :sad:

However I have a stong feeling that this USO is hers. The comebacks have ended; Serena at AO, Kim at Indian Wells and Miami, Justine on clay, Venus at Wimby, no one's left to make a comeback!

Except Monica Seles (injury), Daniela Hantuchová (form), Jelena Dokić (form), Iva Majoli (she's contemplating unretiring), Iroda Tulyaganova (injury) and Vera Zvonarëva (form).

Not that I can see any of these players stopping Maria at the US Open 2005, except possibly a rejuvenated Vera...

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morningglory
Aug 4th, 2005, 01:32 AM
It would be sad indeed if Maria retired at 26, as Iva Majoli did last year
Yep... I'll miss her... she said she would retire around 25 so.... :sad:
However, when the time comes, she might not, look at Lindsay :)
Of course I expect her to AT LEAST last that long unless she runs into a career-ending injury (which I doubt, considering how well she's done in knowing how to pull out from tournaments and not risking), or gets married and pregnant, or simply get pregnant, which is impossible considering that Yuri will mutilate any human male with ill intentions towards his daughter :lol:

@m@nd@
Aug 5th, 2005, 02:38 AM
ok guys i am reali confused.
since lindsay is playing new haven now, will maria still get to #1 before us open??? :scratch:

Dan23
Aug 5th, 2005, 03:32 AM
ok guys i am reali confused.
since lindsay is playing new haven now, will maria still get to #1 before us open??? :scratch:
Yes Maria still should become #1 on the 15th or 22nd provided Lindsay doesnt play before New Haven. Depending on how far Maria is ahead on the 22nd and what Lindsay does at New Haven they could change spots again before the USO, though the seeds may be set then...we'll see ;)

lakan kildap
Aug 5th, 2005, 03:44 AM
I'm sure becoming number 1 would really be a big deal to Maria personally, but I'd rather that she focus on beating opponents and winning matches and just letting the ranking come naturally to her. Nothing reinforces a top ranking better than beating the top players, too, especially the players Maria hasn't beaten yet (the real Russian killers - Mauresmo and Clijsters), plus Davenport, Henin-Hardenne and the Williams sisters.

While she has the talent to dominate most opponents, the very best players can still give her a bad day. And since it's often on worldwide TV, it's what fans remember most. Especially the Grand Slams.

Maria Croft
Aug 5th, 2005, 09:25 AM
I'll be really happy to see her at number 1, because after that Maria con concentrate on different things, and not to mention that she will be a number one player !!

waratahsrock
Aug 5th, 2005, 09:13 PM
It'll be brilliant to see Maria reach the #1 ranking. In a lot of her interviews in the past, she frequently mentions that it's always been a dream of hers to be #1 in the world. It would be a huge achievement at such a young age.
Even though Lindsay is going to play San Diego, is it still definite that Maria WILL be #1?

silver
Aug 5th, 2005, 11:10 PM
While she has the talent to dominate most opponents, the very best players can still give her a bad day. And since it's often on worldwide TV, it's what fans remember most. Especially the Grand Slams.

That's true - every one remembers Grand Slams . I remember Serena and Justine at Wimbledon, and Venus at Roland Garros. Why didn't they get as far in the draw as Maria (or Davenport), she had a good chance to beat them. Maria will never beat them if they keep escaping like that. ;)

BTW, Davenport was the best player at Grand Slams this year (not Serena,Justine,Venus). And she was real #1 (not Serena,Justine,Venus).

waratahsrock
Aug 5th, 2005, 11:19 PM
BTW, Davenport was the best player at Grand Slams this year (not Serena,Justine,Venus).

I'm sorry, but i'd much rather have Serena, Justine or Venus's record at Grand Slams this year than Lindsay's! You can make as many finals as you want, but WINNING one slam is better than comming second on numerous occasions.

Hopefully Maria can find some good form in time for the US Open, and have a real shot at the title.

andrewbroad
Aug 6th, 2005, 10:20 PM
You can make as many finals as you want, but WINNING one slam is better than comming second on numerous occasions.

Absolutely! I would never trade Maria's record in Grand Slams (so far) with Kim Clijsters' (who has reached four Grand Slam finals and lost them all).

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BaRaDang22
Aug 6th, 2005, 11:13 PM
She sure can! (Be #1 now.) There's a difference of 23 points between her and Lindsay. Lindsay's not going to be in the L.A. tournament and if Maria enters and reaches the Semi's at least, she'll be No. 1. More info here - http://www.mariaworld.net

And, oh yeah, there's that 18th tournament rule...

Edit for spelling.

andrewbroad
Aug 7th, 2005, 07:13 PM
The time for Maria to become world number one is at hand. As of 8th August, Lindsay Davenport has 4475 ranking-points while Maria has 4452.

Davenport is missing this tournament with a lower-back injury (Maria missed San Diego with a similar but less serious complaint), and if Davenport doesn't play next week either, Maria will overtake her on 22nd August when Davenport's 175 points for winning Cincinnati 2004 come off.

If Maria goes ahead and plays this tournament, she could well become number one on 15th August. Because the rankings only count a player's best 17 results, Maria needs a result worth more than 92 ranking-points to displace the US Open 2004, and hence needs a result worth more than 115 ranking-points to close the 23-point gap between herself and Davenport.

The full status of this tournament is Tier II (64) $585,000, so Maria gets the following ranking-points for losing in the following rounds:
* 2r (after a bye): 1 point
* 3r: 25 points
* qf: 49 points
* sf: 88 points
* f: 137 points
* champion: 195 points

And quality-points are available for beating players of the following rankings outside of the Grand Slams:
#1: +100 points
#2: +75 points
#3: +66 points
#4: +55 points
#5: +50 points
#6-10: +43 points
#11-16: +35 points
#17-25: +23 points
#26-35: +15 points
#36-50: +10 points
#51-75: +8 points
#76-#120: +4 points
#121-250: +2 points
#251-500: +1 points

Best-case scenario (highest-ranked and nicest opponents!):
2r: Maria Kirilenko (#50): +10, total 25+10 = 35
3r: Anna Chakvetadze (#34): +15, total 49+10+15 = 74
qf: Vera Zvonarëva (#16): +35, total 88+10+15+35 = 148
sf: Maria becomes #1 no matter what happens

Worst-case scenario (ignoring qualifiers and lucky losers):
2r: Marissa Irvin (#100): +4, total 25+4 = 29
3r: Sania Mirza (#59): +8, total 49+4+8 = 61
qf: Zheng,Jie (#78): +4, total 88+4+8+4 = 104
sf: Chanda Rubin (#168): +2, total 137+4+8+4+2 = 155
f: Maria becomes #1 no matter what happens

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http://www.tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=W&action=rankings

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andrewbroad
Aug 8th, 2005, 03:18 PM
Vera Zvonarëva's withdrawal :sad:, and the placements of qualifiers, affect the scenarios as follows:

Best-case scenario (highest-ranked and nicest opponents!):
2r: Maria Kirilenko (#52): +8, total 25+8 = 33
3r: Anna Chakvetadze (#31): +15, total 49+8+15 = 72
qf: Daniela Hantuchová (#22): +23, total 88+8+15+23 = 134
sf: Maria becomes #1 no matter what happens

Worst-case scenario:
2r: Marissa Irvin (#96): +4, total 25+4 = 29
3r: Iveta Benešová (#51): +8, total 49+4+8 = 61
qf: Kataryna Bondarenko (#186): +2, total 88+4+8+2 = 102
sf: Sun,Tian Tian (#202): +2, total 137+4+8+2+2 = 153
f: Maria becomes #1 no matter what happens

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Szymanowski
Sep 9th, 2005, 10:32 AM
The gap of 1150 points now looks very large between Maria and Lindsay, so can Maria really get the No 1 this year??

No way!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

morningglory
Sep 9th, 2005, 03:01 PM
:banana: Thanks to Elena D, Maria will now serve her 2nd term in office :banana:

MaitaBaby
Sep 9th, 2005, 11:19 PM
:banana: Thanks to Elena D, Maria will now serve her 2nd term in office :banana:
Oh she will? Well :bounce: :bounce: