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alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 01:13 AM
:p


The vote for 3rd reading in the house of commons just took place

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/28/samesex050628.html

Same-sex legislation passed

The Liberals' controversial same-sex marriage legislation has passed final reading the House of Commons, sailing through with a vote of 158 for and 133 against

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/pix/samesex_rings_cp_4606249.jpg

Supported by most members of the Liberals, the Bloc Quebecois and the NDP, the legislation passed easily, making Canada only the third country in the world, after the Netherlands and Belgium, to officially recognize same-sex unions.

But the passage of Bill C-38, once again, came with a political price tag for the government. Joe Comuzzi, resigned from the cabinet so he could vote against the bill - an open rebuke of the government legislation.

Comuzzi was the minister responsible for Northern Ontario.

Although he was the only cabinet minister to break ranks with Prime Minister Paul Martin over the controversial plan to legalize the marriage of gays and lesbians, it highlighted the divisions within Canada and the within the Liberal party, pitting supporters of equality rights against those who are defending religious freedoms.

For Comuzzi, the decision to resign meant putting principles ahead of the privileges of cabinet. "In 2004, during the election, I promised faithfully to the people of Thunder Bay-Superior North, that I would defend the definition of marriage," he said, explaining his move.

The prime minister said he regretted the decision of a man he called an "old friend," but accepts it because the government must speak with one voice on same-sex marriage.

The "vote is about the Charter of Rights," said Martin. "We're a nation of minorities and in a nation of minorities you don't cherry-pick rights."

The government has moved over the last few the months to appease critics both within Liberal ranks and among Canadians at large. Amendments were introduced to ensure no religious group or charitable organization is forced to accept same-sex marriage. But in spite of those amendments some groups remain unconvinced.

Same-sex marriage remains one of the most difficult issues ever to confront Canadian politicians. In large part passage of the bill is the reason the parliamentary session was extended for the first time in 17 years.

But while Tuesday night's vote closes off the debate in the Commons, the Conservatives insist there is no closure for Canadians who believe marriage should continue to be defined as the union of a man and a woman, to the exclusion of all others.

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper says if his party forms the next government, the law will be revisited.

Harper made the promise one day after suggesting the adoption of the law lacked legitimacy because it relied on the support of the separatist Bloc Quebecois. Harper said he believes Bloc MPs are the legitimate representatives of Quebec voters. But he argues most Canadians aren't buying it as a final decision since most federalist MPs are opposed to same-sex marriage.

Harper says a Conservative government would hold a free vote for all MPs on the matter, rather than forcing cabinet ministers to vote with the government.

tennisIlove09
Jun 29th, 2005, 01:14 AM
YAY! :woohoo:

AjdeNate!
Jun 29th, 2005, 01:20 AM
Yay, now I can marry a Canuck. Not that I ever would....but my options are at least open.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 29th, 2005, 02:17 AM
Harper is an idiot.

~ The Leopard ~
Jun 29th, 2005, 02:48 AM
What do "religious freedoms" have to do with opposition to this? As far as I can see, no one is saying it will be compulsory to have a gay marriage ;) or even that it will be compulsory for churches to conduct gay weddings. Conversely, if civil recognition of gay marriage were rejected to appease religious leaders that would certainly be an offensive encroachment of religion on public policy. If we care about religious freedom we should think this legislation is a good thing.

Wigglytuff
Jun 29th, 2005, 02:53 AM
YAY! :woohoo:

ditto

kes
Jun 29th, 2005, 02:57 AM
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 03:01 AM
What do "religious freedoms" have to do with opposition to this? As far as I can see, no one is saying it will be compulsory to have a gay marriage ;) or even that it will be compulsory for churches to conduct gay weddings. Conversely, if civil recognition of gay marriage were rejected to appease religious leaders that would certainly be an offensive encroachment of religion on public policy. If we care about religious freedom we should think this legislation is a good thing.

I'm not sure of the specifics but apparently some churches and other religious institutions thought that they'd be stripped of their charitable status if they refused to conduct same sex ceremonies. The Cons say that there aren't enough protections in the bill for groups that refuse 'to be associated with gay marriage'. I'm not sure what they mean as the PM has said repeatedly that nobody will be punished for not blessing these civil marriages :confused:

btw, in practice, this isn't a huge change in policy. Same sex marriages were legal in all but 3 or 4 of the provinces and territories and some didn't bother with their own legislation because they knew the federal law was coming.

tterb
Jun 29th, 2005, 03:19 AM
What do "religious freedoms" have to do with opposition to this? As far as I can see, no one is saying it will be compulsory to have a gay marriage or even that it will be compulsory for churches to conduct gay weddings. Conversely, if civil recognition of gay marriage were rejected to appease religious leaders that would certainly be an offensive encroachment of religion on public policy. If we care about religious freedom we should think this legislation is a good thing.:yeah:
You must spread some reputation around before giving it to ~ The Leopard ~ again.:sad:

SelesFan70
Jun 29th, 2005, 03:50 AM
I have 2 simultaneous reactions to this news:

Holy cow! Cananda is going to fall off the map! Everyone run get your bibles/koran/dead sea scrolls and pray! :angel:

OR

Please invisible god in the sky let all the nelly fags go to Canada to live. :devil:

ginger_fish668
Jun 29th, 2005, 03:54 AM
Canada. :yeah:

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 04:32 AM
Please invisible god in the sky let all the nelly fags go to Canada to live. :devil:

yes as long as the judgemental fags like you stay south of the border :yawn:

Crazy Canuck
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:00 AM
yes as long as the judgemental fags like you stay south of the border :yawn:
:haha:

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:24 AM
Will you marry me, viggen?

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:33 AM
Will you marry me, viggen?

how ugly are you? :p

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:37 AM
I'm hotter than than a jalapeño roasting on the surface of the sun, bitch!

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:41 AM
I'm hotter than than a jalapeño roasting on the surface of the sun, bitch!

fine I'll have to be the ugly one in the relationship :rolleyes:

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:44 AM
good, then I can be the bitchy drama queen who uses and abuses you.

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:46 AM
good, then I can be the bitchy drama queen who uses and abuses you.

such a charmer :hearts:

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:49 AM
you know it. now take off those clothes and service me.

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:49 AM
news to x-rated porn in 2 posts flat :tape:

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:54 AM
damn, I'm getting slow.

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:57 AM
slower is better I hear

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:58 AM
nah, I like it ruff.

and there's a picture of me in my profile if you want to see. (i lied about being hot)

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 06:00 AM
well it's kinda blurry :p

*steals msn address*

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 06:04 AM
it was in the middle of the night

after that picture I stripped naked and broke into song

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 06:06 AM
Wish I had experiences like that :p I posted a pic in the pics thread before a night out and someone told me I looked old :o

DolceVuitton
Jun 29th, 2005, 06:07 AM
Good decision let them go who cares they aren't hurting anyone now if only we could make a good decision on the psycho you're about to let walk free and didn't even fuss about or think twice about with the decision KARLA HOMOLKA is a fucking psycho she killed 3 girls with her psychotic husband and you have proof of it and yet you're letting her go and on top of it all you were scared to let the gays have their same sex marriages when they wouldn't be hurting anyone when ms Homolka is going to walk free and have the opportunity to offend again and WILL hurt somebody. :mad: :mad:

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 06:12 AM
Wish I had experiences like that :p I posted a pic in the pics thread before a night out and someone told me I looked old :o

show me this alleged picture

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 06:14 AM
Good decision let them go who cares they aren't hurting anyone now if only we could make a good decision on the psycho you're about to let walk free and didn't even fuss about or think twice about with the decision KARLA HOMOLKA is a fucking psycho she killed 3 girls with her psychotic husband and you have proof of it and yet you're letting her go and on top of it all you were scared to let the gays have their same sex marriages when they wouldn't be hurting anyone when ms Homolka is going to walk free and have the opportunity to offend again and WILL hurt somebody. :mad: :mad:

:hug: it'll be okay honey.

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 06:20 AM
show me this alleged picture

it's in the post your pics thread. I'll dig through it on a night when I'm not finishing a problem set ;)

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 06:21 AM
it's summer, stop doing work.

how old are you?

tell me the date and time you posted it :p and I'll find it myself

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 06:23 AM
it's summer, stop doing work.

I have to hear this every freakin day :crying2:


how old are you?

20


tell me the date and time you posted it :p and I'll find it myself

yeah like I know those

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 06:28 AM
awww you're just a little baby :hug:

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 06:32 AM
hey I'm not a kid. I can legally drink. In Canada

how old are you?

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 07:04 AM
i'm 22

Richie77
Jun 29th, 2005, 07:20 AM
Go Canada! :yeah:

i'm 22

That makes you a baby, too :p

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 07:24 AM
nah i'ma man! :D

Richie77
Jun 29th, 2005, 07:28 AM
Okay, you're a man ;)

I did see your profile picture, you're looking good :D

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 07:29 AM
i'ma change it!

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2005, 07:34 AM
i changed it

do you love it?

Alvarillo
Jun 29th, 2005, 08:08 AM
tomorrow Spain wil be the 4th country ! :)

galadriel
Jun 29th, 2005, 08:36 AM
CANADA :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

mand
Jun 29th, 2005, 08:46 AM
Canada http://www.exist-online.com/my_smilies/well/well_congratulations.gif

roots
Jun 29th, 2005, 12:15 PM
It took a while, but FINALLY the bill passed last night. I think it's a great day for Human Rights in general not just for Gays and Lesbians in this country. Too bad you still have Members of Parliament like Dave Chatters of Alberta who was asking: "What will be the next step down the infamous slope? Will it be legalizing polygamy? Legalizing prostitution? Legalizing hard drugs or maybe just working for organized crime to import strippers and drugs? God only knows, Mr. Speaker." What an idiot, thanks for comparing us to prostitution and drugs. Anyhow, too late now, the bill has passed and it will become law. YAY!!!!!!!

SelesFan70
Jun 29th, 2005, 01:14 PM
yes as long as the judgemental fags like you stay south of the border :yawn:

:p That was a self-depricating comment I was making for myself. I'm not the butchest queen in the world. :o

kabuki
Jun 29th, 2005, 01:27 PM
:) Hmmm... So am I moving to Toronto, or Vancouver?

GBFH
Jun 29th, 2005, 02:04 PM
vancouver.

blame canada! :D

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 03:27 PM
:p That was a self-depricating comment I was making for myself. I'm not the butchest queen in the world. :o

Sorry then :p it was late

Andy T
Jun 29th, 2005, 04:59 PM
:yeah: to Canada!

SelesFan70
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:44 PM
Sorry then :p it was late

I am weird... :unsure: Just ignore me like most people on here do. :haha:

tennislover
Jun 29th, 2005, 05:46 PM
well done!!! :worship:

[S@nti]
Jun 29th, 2005, 07:24 PM
argh I wanted Spain to be 3rd :p

tennisIlove09
Jun 29th, 2005, 07:32 PM
YAY! :woohoo:


I got bad repped because I can get married :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Guess what haters, all the red fucking dots in the world wont change a thing...I can get MARRIED! :D :woohoo:

*waits for his prince charming* (now accepting applications :kiss: )

alexusjonesfan
Jun 29th, 2005, 07:38 PM
I got bad repped because I can get married :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



you got bad repped for that? :haha:

be careful though, Ralph Klien may try to get out of this 'immoral bill'

tennisIlove09
Jun 29th, 2005, 08:30 PM
you got bad repped for that? :haha:

be careful though, Ralph Klien may try to get out of this 'immoral bill'

If I ever met him, I would hit on his fat ass so badly. :haha: He'd get more winks, and ass grabs than any boy before :p

griffin
Jun 29th, 2005, 08:37 PM
Now that you have the "freedom to marry" - what you need is the "requirement to date" ;)

Go Canada!

Crazy Canuck
Jun 30th, 2005, 03:44 AM
Good decision let them go who cares they aren't hurting anyone now if only we could make a good decision on the psycho you're about to let walk free and didn't even fuss about or think twice about with the decision KARLA HOMOLKA is a fucking psycho she killed 3 girls with her psychotic husband and you have proof of it and yet you're letting her go and on top of it all you were scared to let the gays have their same sex marriages when they wouldn't be hurting anyone when ms Homolka is going to walk free and have the opportunity to offend again and WILL hurt somebody. :mad: :mad:

A lot of us feel your anger, but legally there is nothing that can be done. She served her time and that's it. :(

Crazy Canuck
Jun 30th, 2005, 03:45 AM
']argh I wanted Spain to be 3rd :p
Canada wins, Canada wins! :banana:

deja_entendu
Jun 30th, 2005, 04:46 AM
:haha:

yay :)

Richie77
Jun 30th, 2005, 08:04 AM
i changed it

do you love it?

It's okay, but it's awfully blurry :p

charmedRic
Jun 30th, 2005, 11:54 AM
yay.

tennislover
Jun 30th, 2005, 12:12 PM
I got bad repped because I can get married :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:




what?????????????????????????????????????????????? ??? :eek: :eek: :eek:

[S@nti]
Jun 30th, 2005, 12:30 PM
well it has already been aproved in Spain ;), gay people will be able to get married and adopt children next month

Lachrymarum
Jun 30th, 2005, 01:12 PM
Uber cool! Spanish and Canadian men are very hot!!!
:hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
(I just need to find me one......:sad: )

nbaker53
Jun 30th, 2005, 01:12 PM
cool :)

canadian_bass_2
Jun 30th, 2005, 04:26 PM
be careful though, Ralph Klien may try to get out of this 'immoral bill'
There's no way in HELL Ralphie will try to pull out the notwithstanding clause. If he does, it'll be the first time a province has ever evoked that. All hell will break loose, even if it's not in Alberta. I don't think that this is quite the 'devastating to all of Canada' type situation that would be necessary to invoke that.

Besides, Ralph was already quoted as saying that it wasn't a matter of whether or not it would happen, but it was a question of when. He's basically fine with it.

Scotso
Jun 30th, 2005, 10:13 PM
Canada wins, Canada wins! :banana:

Actually, Spain is third, Canada MIGHT be 4th.

In Spain, the bill is now law. In Canada, is still has to be approved by the Senate. It won't do that until around July, so technically Spain is the third country to legalize gay marriage.

tennislover
Jun 30th, 2005, 10:27 PM
in italy we are one million kms away....:fiery:

alexusjonesfan
Jun 30th, 2005, 10:30 PM
Actually, Spain is third, Canada MIGHT be 4th.

In Spain, the bill is now law. In Canada, is still has to be approved by the Senate. It won't do that until around July, so technically Spain is the third country to legalize gay marriage.

well ontario and quebec have had it for over two years now :nerner:

tennislover
Jun 30th, 2005, 10:31 PM
well ontario and quebec have had it for over two years now :nerner:
:)

Scotso
Jul 1st, 2005, 09:10 PM
well ontario and quebec have had it for over two years now :nerner:

I wasn't aware they were countries :p

When are you going to give me that picture of you, hot stuff?

Darop.
Jul 1st, 2005, 10:08 PM
Good on them ;)

I don't think i ever wanna get married tho :p

cellophane
Jul 1st, 2005, 11:38 PM
When are you going to give me that picture of you, hot stuff?

I could send you some *very* compromising pictures (and videos) of him. :eek: :haha: ;)

alexusjonesfan
Jul 1st, 2005, 11:42 PM
I wasn't aware they were countries :p

Tell that to Stevie Harper, he seems to think we're outside Canada or something


When are you going to give me that picture of you, hot stuff?

as soon as I get my lazy ass to look through the pics thread :p

Scotso
Jul 2nd, 2005, 10:16 PM
but I want it nowwwwww