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spokenword73
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:13 PM
I am not sure if this has been posted yet. CNN reports Oprah was turned away from HERMES store in France. The store apologized. What store in their right mind would tell Oprah she could not shop there? :(

SilK
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:14 PM
One that doesn't wanna make money? :o

azmad_88
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:15 PM
stupid stupid stupid STORE

spokenword73
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:17 PM
Someone at the store said they did not let Oprah in because it was "after closing" and the store had been having trouble with "North Africans". I hate to think this is a racist move, but...

ginger_fish668
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:18 PM
Here's the story.


Oprah who?:-
New York | June 20, 2005 4:34:47 PM IST


Oprah Winfrey may have been named the most powerful celebrity by Forbes, but the talk show queen was reportdly denied entry by the Hermes store in Paris.

According to sources, when the 'Oprah Winfrey' show host went to the store to get her hair done, nobody recognised her and refused entry.

"Oprah didn't have her hair done. When she tried the door, they refused her entry because they have been 'having a problem with North Africans' lately' and obviously had no clue who she was," the New York Post quoted an insider as saying. (ANI)

harloo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:19 PM
The probably don't allow coloured people in their shop. Was this recently? Oprah did talk about how she tried to shop at a store and they told her she was not allowed in, and even when she name dropped they said, "We don't care who you are".:eek:

O can come to my store anyday.:lol: :D

ginger_fish668
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:19 PM
And Oprah's response.

Oprah Winfrey Snubs Store For Good
Oprah Winfrey has vowed never to shop in designer bag store Herms again - after she was turned away by shop assistants amid accusations of racism.

It is now been revealed staff did recognise the popular star but refused her entry because she wanted to shop after the store had closed for the evening at 6.30pm.

A friend of Oprah's is quoted by America's New York Daily News newspaper as saying: "They knew exactly who she was". They specifically said, 'We know who you are'".

The pal also claims the staff only refused the 51-year-old star entry because she is black. The friend added: "If it had been Celine Dion or Britney Spears or Barbra Streisand, there is no way they would not be let in that store".

Oprah, who recently purchased 12 of the store's most expensive bags, has now personally telephoned Robert Chavez, president of Herm's in America, to inform him she will no longer be shopping in any of the brand's shops after her disgraceful treatment.

harloo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:22 PM
Here's the story.


Oprah who?:-
New York | June 20, 2005 4:34:47 PM IST


Oprah Winfrey may have been named the most powerful celebrity by Forbes, but the talk show queen was reportdly denied entry by the Hermes store in Paris.

According to sources, when the 'Oprah Winfrey' show host went to the store to get her hair done, nobody recognised her and refused entry.

"Oprah didn't have her hair done. When she tried the door, they refused her entry because they have been 'having a problem with North Africans' lately' and obviously had no clue who she was," the New York Post quoted an insider as saying. (ANI)

Yeah right! They did not know she was Oprah and thought she was a random black female trying to cause trouble. It's called racial profiling, well they made the biggest mistake of their lives.:lol: You know O is going to talk about it on her show.

spokenword73
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:22 PM
And Oprah's response.

Oprah Winfrey Snubs Store For Good
Oprah Winfrey has vowed never to shop in designer bag store Herms again - after she was turned away by shop assistants amid accusations of racism.

It is now been revealed staff did recognise the popular star but refused her entry because she wanted to shop after the store had closed for the evening at 6.30pm.

A friend of Oprah's is quoted by America's New York Daily News newspaper as saying: "They knew exactly who she was". They specifically said, 'We know who you are'".

The pal also claims the staff only refused the 51-year-old star entry because she is black. The friend added: "If it had been Celine Dion or Britney Spears or Barbra Streisand, there is no way they would not be let in that store".

Oprah, who recently purchased 12 of the store's most expensive bags, has now personally telephoned Robert Chavez, president of Herm's in America, to inform him she will no longer be shopping in any of the brand's shops after her disgraceful treatment.

How much money, power and prestige does a woman have to have to be immune from racism?:fiery:

harloo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:23 PM
And Oprah's response.

Oprah Winfrey Snubs Store For Good
Oprah Winfrey has vowed never to shop in designer bag store Herms again - after she was turned away by shop assistants amid accusations of racism.

It is now been revealed staff did recognise the popular star but refused her entry because she wanted to shop after the store had closed for the evening at 6.30pm.

A friend of Oprah's is quoted by America's New York Daily News newspaper as saying: "They knew exactly who she was". They specifically said, 'We know who you are'".

The pal also claims the staff only refused the 51-year-old star entry because she is black. The friend added: "If it had been Celine Dion or Britney Spears or Barbra Streisand, there is no way they would not be let in that store".

Oprah, who recently purchased 12 of the store's most expensive bags, has now personally telephoned Robert Chavez, president of Herm's in America, to inform him she will no longer be shopping in any of the brand's shops after her disgraceful treatment.

Now this is a more accurate account, she needs to send those expensive ass bags back and demand a refund.:lol:

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:29 PM
I'm sorry but why does she feel that she should be allowed into a store after closing just because she is a celebrity? .... And why did she feel the need to call the president of Herm's in America to inform him she won't be shopping there anymore .... give it a break Oprah dear, I doubt he gave a shit ... you can choose not to shop there but you don't need to parade the fact around.

Jakeev
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:30 PM
And Oprah's response.

Oprah Winfrey Snubs Store For Good
Oprah Winfrey has vowed never to shop in designer bag store Herms again - after she was turned away by shop assistants amid accusations of racism.

It is now been revealed staff did recognise the popular star but refused her entry because she wanted to shop after the store had closed for the evening at 6.30pm.

A friend of Oprah's is quoted by America's New York Daily News newspaper as saying: "They knew exactly who she was". They specifically said, 'We know who you are'".

The pal also claims the staff only refused the 51-year-old star entry because she is black. The friend added: "If it had been Celine Dion or Britney Spears or Barbra Streisand, there is no way they would not be let in that store".

Oprah, who recently purchased 12 of the store's most expensive bags, has now personally telephoned Robert Chavez, president of Herm's in America, to inform him she will no longer be shopping in any of the brand's shops after her disgraceful treatment.

As if the French don't get enough bad press:lol: :lol:

SilK
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:32 PM
As if the French don't get enough bad press:lol: :lol:

Bring on the Freedom Fries again! :p

harloo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:36 PM
I'm sorry but why does she feel that she should be allowed into a store after closing just because she is a celebrity? .... And why did she feel the need to call the president of Herm's in America to inform him she won't be shopping there anymore .... give it a break Oprah dear, I doubt he gave a shit ... you can choose not to shop there but you don't need to parade the fact around.

All celebrites show up at a store any time they want. Hell the stores will close down if a big celeb comes in. She called the President because she was racially profiled and being the big star that she is they turned her away even after they said, "We know who you are".

If she is spending top dollar at a store then she should be respected. Do you know how many businesses would kill for the chance at Oprah coming to their store? Everything she touches turns to gold and everyone knows it.:lol:

decemberlove
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:37 PM
I'm sorry but why does she feel that she should be allowed into a store after closing just because she is a celebrity? .... And why did she feel the need to call the president of Herm's in America to inform him she won't be shopping there anymore .... give it a break Oprah dear, I doubt he gave a shit ... you can choose not to shop there but you don't need to parade the fact around.

Designer stores have been known to stay open after-hours for celebrities. It allows them to shop without having to deal with "regular" people. I think it's bullshit, but whatever...

Cariaoke
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:39 PM
FYI...

Celebrities are almost always allowed after hours to shop for privacy. In fact, I was watching Shaquille on ESPN and he went to buy toys for poor kids for Christmas and TOYS R US was open at 2 AM just for him to shop around.

This is ridiculous, if true and they deserve every bit of negative press. Go Oprah! :bowdown:

CooCooCachoo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:41 PM
She could have had the store for herself during working hours, had she made an arrangement or appointment. Thinking that everyone will welcome you after closing is diva behaviour. The shop assistants had every right to reject Oprah and I am glad they did. Some celebrities need to be remembered that they are not bigger than life.

harloo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:43 PM
FYI...

Celebrities are almost always allowed after hours to shop for privacy. In fact, I was watching Shaquille on ESPN and he went to buy toys for poor kids for Christmas and TOYS R US was open at 2 AM just for him to shop around.

This is ridiculous, if true and they deserve every bit of negative press. Go Oprah! :bowdown:

:worship: :worship: :worship:

"Sluggy"
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:46 PM
Here's the story.


Oprah who?:-
New York | June 20, 2005 4:34:47 PM IST


Oprah Winfrey may have been named the most powerful celebrity by Forbes, but the talk show queen was reportdly denied entry by the Hermes store in Paris.

According to sources, when the 'Oprah Winfrey' show host went to the store to get her hair done, nobody recognised her and refused entry.

"Oprah didn't have her hair done. When she tried the door, they refused her entry because they have been 'having a problem with North Africans' lately' and obviously had no clue who she was," the New York Post quoted an insider as saying. (ANI)

Nobody knows who she is in France. And i can guarantee you that nobody in that store would say "We have been having problems with North Africans". Its impossible, nobody would say that.

"Sluggy"
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:46 PM
Oh by the way, France has been having a lot of problems with North Africans lately.

to me it sounds like another American media bullshit scam, to keep American dollars in the country.

Cariaoke
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:47 PM
She could have had the store for herself during working hours, had she made an arrangement or appointment. Thinking that everyone will welcome you after closing is diva behaviour. The shop assistants had every right to reject Oprah and I am glad they did. Some celebrities need to be remembered that they are not bigger than life.
That wasn't the point. The point was that she was black. Reading is fundamental.

I think the special treatment is bullshit but whatever is good for a white celebrity should be just as good for a black celebrity.

harloo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:49 PM
Oh by the way, France has been having a lot of problems with North Africans lately.

They told her,"We know who you are" and still denied her. They knew O was not a trouble maker, but someone was willing to put their job on the line by refusing her entry. Well, heads will be rolling after all the negative press.:lol:

the bambi
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:49 PM
shitty treatment she got and it’s great she’s boycotting but does oprah have the clout to stop people from shopping there? people endorse companies all the time knowing full well that the business has a lot of skeletons in their closets.

"Sluggy"
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:52 PM
They told her,"We know who you are" and still denied her. They knew O was not a trouble maker, but someone was willing to put their job on the line be refusing her entry. Well, heads will be rolling after all the negative press.:lol:


How do you know what they told her? Very few people in France know who she is. also as a general rule, france does not commercialise like america. If you come after 10 and the store closes at 10, it doesnt matter if you are michael jordan. France is not a flexible country like America can be. They dont make exceptions for anyone. Im white, i never hear white people saying racist remarks like that. I live In Paris, that type of statement, is unacceptable. The girls in the office just said its impossible, nobody in paris would say such a thing. stupid people would believe it, only stupid people :lol:

the jamierbelyea
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:53 PM
For the larger shops however, such as Hermes, most stars will have to pay the store to have them close down or open late for them. It's the smaller boutiques who'll do it without question because they'll want the publicity.

This or not, the Hermes bag colletion will still be sought after.

Although the rascism inspired reasonings behind everything is totally unjust and really just idiotic of the salespeople to say.

Infiniti2001
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:54 PM
FYI...

Celebrities are almost always allowed after hours to shop for privacy. In fact, I was watching Shaquille on ESPN and he went to buy toys for poor kids for Christmas and TOYS R US was open at 2 AM just for him to shop around.

This is ridiculous, if true and they deserve every bit of negative press. Go Oprah! :bowdown:

:worship: :worship: Like Eddie Murphy said, no matter how many millons you have-- you're still a ***ger in the eyes of some :o

Infiniti2001
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:57 PM
Oh by the way, France has been having a lot of problems with North Africans lately.

to me it sounds like another American media bullshit scam, to keep American dollars in the country.

This is some serious shit-- I doubt Oprah would make it up:tape:

harloo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 03:59 PM
How do you know what they told her? Very few people in France know who she is. also as a general rule, france does not commercialise like america. If you come after 10 and the store closes at 10, it doesnt matter if you are michael jordan. France is not a flexible country like America can be. They dont make exceptions for anyone. Im white, i never hear white people saying racist remarks like that. I live In Paris, that type of statement, is unacceptable. The girls in the office just said its impossible, nobody in paris would say such a thing. stupid people would believe it, only stupid people :lol:

Impossible in your eyesight because noone white in france would ever say anything racist? :tape: OK, I see that you are a bit delusional.;) :lol:

spokenword73
Jun 23rd, 2005, 04:02 PM
shitty treatment she got and it’s great she’s boycotting but does oprah have the clout to stop people from shopping there? people endorse companies all the time knowing full well that the business has a lot of skeletons in their closets.
there will be some people who worship Oprah and have money who will not shop at that store (including some of her movie star friends)

"Sluggy"
Jun 23rd, 2005, 04:12 PM
Impossible in your eyesight because noone white in france would ever say anything racist? :tape: OK, I see that you are a bit delusional.;) :lol:


Um no, not dillusional. people dont go around making racial remarks, i for one have never heard them. people are racist im sure, i just know who they are. Racism in France is more systemic, not many dark-skinned and muslim professionals, at least integrated wise. its institutional, less good jobs and the like. But never, never would anyone say " we dont want dark-skinned people in our stores cause they cause trouble ". oprah and her people are fibbing.

on the flipside, my boss recounted how she and her husband were put in the hospital by 14 arab youths. this kind of thing is common. but ive never heard someone who was a victime or arab youth violence, as common as it is, take it out on the group. they never say racist things or take racist actions. they just say that group of people who did that too me are assholes. they dont play the race card though. Oprah is freaking phoney and those that believe her story are just STUPID :lol:

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 04:17 PM
FYI...

Celebrities are almost always allowed after hours to shop for privacy. In fact, I was watching Shaquille on ESPN and he went to buy toys for poor kids for Christmas and TOYS R US was open at 2 AM just for him to shop around.

This is ridiculous, if true and they deserve every bit of negative press. Go Oprah! :bowdown:

Oh please ... don't give me this shit about how she should've been allowed in.
If Oprah had any manners she could've arranged to have a shopping time after hours or in hours whatever .... the deal was that she just rocked up to the store unannounced and decided they should reopen just to cater to her.

That wasn't the point. The point was that she was black. Reading is fundamental.

I think the special treatment is bullshit but whatever is good for a white celebrity should be just as good for a black celebrity.

When you inform me of a time when any white celebrity rocked up to that same store unannounced and wanted to come in a shop ... then you can play your "racism" card. She wasn't turned down because she was black she was turned down because she was rude and just thought they would let her in because she was Oprah.

I don't expect anything pther than ignorance from you though you seem to always play the race card.

arn
Jun 23rd, 2005, 04:20 PM
I don't know about the accusations of racism cause they recognised her and I'd seriously doubt they would make a racist remark, knowing she's a celebrity and would bring this out. To me it seems like she or her entourage was a bit pissed off because they weren't allowed in and so they looked for an ulterior motive behind it. Like somebody already mentioned, France is not very keen on all the commercialised stuff so I can imagine that when a shop is closed, it's closed for everyone. Now if there's proof that this store has allowed other (white) celebrities entry after closing hour in the past than there's a case for racism but now it's a bit shady I think....

Crazy Canuck
Jun 23rd, 2005, 04:21 PM
And Oprah's response.

Oprah Winfrey Snubs Store For Good
Oprah Winfrey has vowed never to shop in designer bag store Herms again - after she was turned away by shop assistants amid accusations of racism.

It is now been revealed staff did recognise the popular star but refused her entry because she wanted to shop after the store had closed for the evening at 6.30pm.

A friend of Oprah's is quoted by America's New York Daily News newspaper as saying: "They knew exactly who she was". They specifically said, 'We know who you are'".

The pal also claims the staff only refused the 51-year-old star entry because she is black. The friend added: "If it had been Celine Dion or Britney Spears or Barbra Streisand, there is no way they would not be let in that store".

Oprah, who recently purchased 12 of the store's most expensive bags, has now personally telephoned Robert Chavez, president of Herm's in America, to inform him she will no longer be shopping in any of the brand's shops after her disgraceful treatment.


Go Oprah! Boycott! :fiery:

I'm sorry but why does she feel that she should be allowed into a store after closing just because she is a celebrity? .... And why did she feel the need to call the president of Herm's in America to inform him she won't be shopping there anymore .... give it a break Oprah dear, I doubt he gave a shit ... you can choose not to shop there but you don't need to parade the fact around.


Well, depending on how many Oprah fans can afford to shop there - he should care.

I mean, didn't beef sales once go down in one region because she was boycotting that for whatever reason? And they tried to sue her? And lost?

Oprah rules!

ginger_fish668
Jun 23rd, 2005, 04:21 PM
Um no, not dillusional. people dont go around making racial remarks, i for one have never heard them. people are racist im sure, i just know who they are. Racism in France is more systemic, not many dark-skinned and muslim professionals, at least integrated wise. its institutional, less good jobs and the like. But never, never would anyone say " we dont want dark-skinned people in our stores cause they cause trouble ". oprah and her people are fibbing.

on the flipside, my boss recounted how she and her husband were put in the hospital by 14 arab youths. this kind of thing is common. but ive never heard someone who was a victime or arab youth violence, as common as it is, take it out on the group. they never say racist things or take racist actions. they just say that group of people who did that too me are assholes. they dont play the race card though. Oprah is freaking phoney and those that believe her story are just STUPID :lol:


Although my respect for Oprah has seriously decreased after she allowed that diabolical Tom Cruise appreance, I have to say that I just don't think Oprah would lie. Why in the world would she lie about this? What's in it for her? :confused:

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 04:25 PM
Well, depending on how many Oprah fans can afford to shop there - he should care.

I mean, didn't beef sales once go down in one region because she was boycotting that for whatever reason? And they tried to sue her? And lost?

Oprah rules!

She was boycotting beef because she felt it was unsafe or something .... and her fans took her advice and stayed away from it.

No matter whether she got turned away from the shop, people who want the bags and can afford them are going to buy them no matter what Oprah does.
It's not like this is the meat industry, Oprah can't say the bag's are bad for your health and unsafe. So yes, people will still keep buying the bags no matter what Oprah does, just as long as they arn't complete bigots and actually turn up during store times.

spokenword73
Jun 23rd, 2005, 04:41 PM
Go Oprah! Boycott! :fiery:




Well, depending on how many Oprah fans can afford to shop there - he should care.

I mean, didn't beef sales once go down in one region because she was boycotting that for whatever reason? And they tried to sue her? And lost?

Oprah rules!

If this is an American company, they should be worried about the stockholders, too. No one will want to invest in a racist company that treats an icon like Oprah with millions of fans like sh--:(

decemberlove
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:12 PM
If this is an American company, they should be worried about the stockholders, too. No one will want to invest in a racist company that treats an icon like Oprah with millions of fans like sh--:(

It's not an American company, and it's stock has been up since Monday.

Cariaoke
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:20 PM
Oh please ... don't give me this shit about how she should've been allowed in.
If Oprah had any manners she could've arranged to have a shopping time after hours or in hours whatever .... the deal was that she just rocked up to the store unannounced and decided they should reopen just to cater to her.



When you inform me of a time when any white celebrity rocked up to that same store unannounced and wanted to come in a shop ... then you can play your "racism" card. She wasn't turned down because she was black she was turned down because she was rude and just thought they would let her in because she was Oprah.

I don't expect anything pther than ignorance from you though you seem to always play the race card.
Who are you to call me ignorant? I've doubt you've read every one of my 12,442 posts and if you have, you need a life. :kiss: Only your kind would resort to personal attacks. Maybe you weren't taught how to disagree without attacking. I picked that up in 4th grade. :o

Maybe if you were able to see through those rose-colored glasses of yours you'd be able to see that it's not "We Are the World" 24/7/365.

Maybe you work at that Hermes shop. :tape: :lol:

spokenword73
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:25 PM
It's not an American company, and it's stock has been up since Monday.

But apparently it has a location in the US as was reported. The story just broke today, and I say it's bad, bad news for HERMES. Don't mess with Oprah.:o

SelesFan70
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:35 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160489,00.html

Hermes Apologizes for Oprah Shut-Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005

PARIS — French luxury store Hermes (search) has apologized to Oprah Winfrey (search) for turning her away from one of its Paris boutiques last week, saying when she came knocking the store was closed for a public relations event.

The talk show host and "an entourage" unsuccessfully tried to enter a Hermes boutique on the posh Rue du Faubourg Saint-Honore at 6:45 p.m. on June 14, Hermes said in a statement.

Normal closing time is 6:30 p.m., though high-end shops are known to make exceptions for celebrities.

On that particular night, however, "a private public relations event was being prepared inside," the statement said.

"Hermes regrets not having been able to welcome Madame Oprah Winfrey and the people accompanying her to give them all the attention and service that Hermes is committed to giving each of its clients in the world," said the statement released Tuesday.

"Hermes expresses its sincere regrets for any misunderstanding that these circumstances could have caused."

:o

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:36 PM
Who are you to call me ignorant? I've doubt you've read every one of my 12,442 posts and if you have, you need a life. :kiss: Only your kind would resort to personal attacks. Maybe you weren't taught how to disagree without attacking. I picked that up in 4th grade. :o

Maybe if you were able to see through those rose-colored glasses of yours you'd be able to see that it's not "We Are the World" 24/7/365.

Maybe you work at that Hermes shop. :tape: :lol:

Oh please, I am fully aware racism exists, and I haven't read everyone of your thousands of posts (yes I'm the one in need of a life :rolleyes: ) ... but everytime there seems to be something to do with a black person you are in the thread in a second either supporting them or pulling out your race card.
I know racism exists, but unlike you I don't try to make it up out of nothing. This was not a racist attack on Oprah it was a blatent "we are closed .... we are not going to open up for you or anyone" incident.

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:39 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160489,00.html

Hermes Apologizes for Oprah Shut-Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005

PARIS — French luxury store Hermes (search) has apologized to Oprah Winfrey (search) for turning her away from one of its Paris boutiques last week, saying when she came knocking the store was closed for a public relations event.

The talk show host and "an entourage" unsuccessfully tried to enter a Hermes boutique on the posh Rue du Faubourg Saint-Honore at 6:45 p.m. on June 14, Hermes said in a statement.

Normal closing time is 6:30 p.m., though high-end shops are known to make exceptions for celebrities.

On that particular night, however, "a private public relations event was being prepared inside," the statement said.

"Hermes regrets not having been able to welcome Madame Oprah Winfrey and the people accompanying her to give them all the attention and service that Hermes is committed to giving each of its clients in the world," said the statement released Tuesday.

"Hermes expresses its sincere regrets for any misunderstanding that these circumstances could have caused."

:o

Well that settles it .... if Oprah had moved her butt and arrived about 20 min earlier she could've got served. She cannot expect different rules for herself compared to the normal public.


Normal closing time is 6:30 p.m., though high-end shops are known to make exceptions for celebrities.

This statement means nothing, because had Oprah informed the shop she would be arriving 15 min after closing time then the shop may have arranged to make the exception for her. She rocked up unannounced which was the problem.

Cariaoke
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:40 PM
Oh please, I am fully aware racism exists, and I haven't read everyone of your thousands of posts (yes I'm the one in need of a life :rolleyes: ) ... but everytime there seems to be something to do with a black person you are in the thread in a second either supporting them or pulling out your race card.
I know racism exists, but unlike you I don't try to make it up out of nothing. This was not a racist attack on Oprah it was a blatent "we are closed .... we are not going to open up for you or anyone" incident.
where's your evidence?

where are these so-called threads I've posted in, Mr./Ms. 39 posts?

Yeah 12K+ over the span of THREE YEARS. Since you joined in November and only have 39 and claim that I post in every race thread with my race card... where's your evidence. You must have had the time to be following me around and reading all of these imaginary posts. :yawn:

don't say shit if you can't back it up. :kiss:

ginger_fish668
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:41 PM
Oh please, I am fully aware racism exists, and I haven't read everyone of your thousands of posts (yes I'm the one in need of a life :rolleyes: ) ... but everytime there seems to be something to do with a black person you are in the thread in a second either supporting them or pulling out your race card.
I know racism exists, but unlike you I don't try to make it up out of nothing. This was not a racist attack on Oprah it was a blatent "we are closed .... we are not going to open up for you or anyone" incident.



I'm gonna disagree with you on this one. It was stated that they do make exceptions for celebrities, and they don't come any bigger than Oprah.

Why was she turned down? There isn't any reason that Hermes can provide. The only one I can think of was that their staff discriminated against Oprah's appearance.

Cariaoke
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:44 PM
I'm gonna disagree with you on this one. It was stated that they do make exceptions for celebrities, and they don't come any biggerthan Oprah.

Why was she turned down? There isn't any reason that Hermes can provide. The only one I can think of was that their staff discriminated against Oprah's appearance.
precisely... it's a common sense assumption.

only :retard: refuse to accept that this MIGHT be the cause

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:45 PM
where's your evidence?

where are these so-called threads I've posted in, Mr./Ms. 39 posts?

Yeah 12K+ over the span of THREE YEARS. Since you joined in November and only have 39 and claim that I post in every race thread with my race card... where's your evidence. You must have had the time to be following me around and reading all of these imaginary posts. :yawn:

don't say shit if you can't back it up. :kiss:

I'm sorry I was unaware that everything I said needed to be backed up with evidence. Care to show your evidence of racism in this case despite some article claiming that "perhaps there may have been perhaps some racism perhaps because of the supposed anti-african's in france .... perhaps" ....
And I don't need to follow you around when you and your anti-white posts keep popping up everywhere. You want the evidence you can find it yourself, it won't be hard, I can make my own comments without having to answer to you.
And yes 12K in 3 years in my book is a bit pathetic especially when you try to pin me as having no life.

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:46 PM
only :retard: refuse to accept that this MIGHT be the cause


MIGHT? .... I'm sorry .... so you are pulling back the race card to a 'might'? Or are you still full blown shouting Racist?

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:47 PM
I'm gonna disagree with you on this one. It was stated that they do make exceptions for celebrities, and they don't come any biggerthan Oprah.

Why was she turned down? There isn't any reason that Hermes can provide. The only one I can think of was that their staff discriminated against Oprah's appearance.

Like I've said before. If Celebrities want to have a private "buying" session then they ring in advance if they plan on arriving after hours.

ginger_fish668
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:49 PM
MIGHT? .... I'm sorry .... so you are pulling back the race card to a 'might'? Or are you still full blown shouting Racist?


Nobody can be sure. We aren't screaming RACIST from the top of our building. :)

But the facts of the incident are right here. We can each interpret it in our own way. No need to be attacking anyone. :angel:

decemberlove
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:51 PM
But apparently it has a location in the US as was reported. The story just broke today, and I say it's bad, bad news for HERMES. Don't mess with Oprah.:o

Yes, but it's just a subsidiary of Hermes International. As far as I know, Hermes is not on the US stock exchange.

You said prove it, so...

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Cariaoke
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:51 PM
I'm sorry I was unaware that everything I said needed to be backed up with evidence. Care to show your evidence of racism in this case despite some article claiming that "perhaps there may have been perhaps some racism perhaps because of the supposed anti-african's in france .... perhaps" ....
And I don't need to follow you around when you and your anti-white posts keep popping up everywhere. You want the evidence you can find it yourself, it won't be hard, I can make my own comments without having to answer to you.
And yes 12K in 3 years in my book is a bit pathetic especially when you try to pin me as having no life.
anti-white?

I must hate myself since part of my heritage is Irish! :rolls: :tape: :spit:

It's been fun playing "attack rokkstarr with zero proof".

It's interesting you have no proof to speak of but not entirely surprising since you're basically a septic tank. Full of shit. :wavey:

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:53 PM
Nobody can be sure. We aren't screaming RACIST from the top of our building. :)

But the facts of the incident are right here. We can each interpret it in our own way. No need to be attacking anyone. :angel:

Sorry, let the record show r-r-rokkstar (or wateva it's name is) is the one I'm disgreeing with.

I can respect your opinion, however like i've said Oprah could've simply called in advance and there would've been no problem. By just turning up unannounced she brought the problem up herself. I don't see how racism had any part in this, and that a few posters on this board are very pro-black (nothing wrong with that, although..) and that they tend to jump to the conclusion of racism no matter what the circumstances.

ginger_fish668
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:54 PM
anti-white?

I must hate myself since part of my heritage is Irish! :rolls: :tape: :spit:

It's been fun playing "attack rokkstarr with zero proof".

It's interesting you have no proof to speak of but not entirely surprising since you're basically a septic tank. Full of shit. :wavey:



:hug: :kiss:

Cariaoke
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:54 PM
Nobody can be sure. We aren't screaming RACIST from the top of our building. :)

But the facts of the incident are right here. We can each interpret it in our own way. No need to be attacking anyone. :angel:
Ginger, stop being rational! :o :tape:

CooCooCachoo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:54 PM
That wasn't the point. The point was that she was black. Reading is fundamental.

I think the special treatment is bullshit but whatever is good for a white celebrity should be just as good for a black celebrity.

I made an entirely different point, which was above the discussion on whether this was racism or not.

ginger_fish668
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:56 PM
Sorry, let the record show r-r-rokkstar (or wateva it's name is) is the one I'm disgreeing with.

I can respect your opinion, however like i've said Oprah could've simply called in advance and there would've been no problem. By just turning up unannounced she brought the problem up herself. I don't see how racism had any part in this, and that a few posters on this board are very pro-black (nothing wrong with that, although..) and that they tend to jump to the conclusion of racism no matter what the circumstances.


No hard feelings here. :) I also repect your opinion, and eyeryone's entitled to their own. :wavey:

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:58 PM
anti-white?

I must hate myself since part of my heritage is Irish! :rolls: :tape: :spit:

It's been fun playing "attack rokkstarr with zero proof".

It's interesting you have no proof to speak of but not entirely surprising since you're basically a septic tank. Full of shit. :wavey:


How funny that you seem to think having Irish blood can discount you from being anti-white and very PRO PRO PRO black.
I havn't been trying to attack you moreso you have asked for it. You like to play innocent yet you also throw attacks my way.

You may have the people on your side (mostly because this is a very pro-minority board) however I stand by the fact that racism is most probably not a cause in this incident.

If this happened to a white person would you be saying the shop was racist against whites? And France, especially Paris has a very large black community, to think that they wouldn't let her in for being black is just silly in my opinion.

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 05:59 PM
No hard feelings here. :) I also repect your opinion, and eyeryone's entitled to their own. :wavey:

I agree, cheers :)

gentenaire
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:04 PM
I can't believe you're all defending Oprah in this! I've always dispised diva behaviour, celebrities thinking that just because they're famous, the world has to stop turning.

The racism card is pulled for no reason.
A very biased source (friend of Oprah) says it's racism.
An unbiased source (video camera) shows the guard informing them the store is closed, giving them a card and telling them they're welcome to come back the following morning.

hmm....what source to believe?

Turning this into a race issue isn't helping the fight against racism one bit, quite the opposite! This'll only hurt the fight because anyone can see that this isn't about racism. When a store is closed, it's closed. And if for some reason you want to shop after hours, you inform the store beforehand, you make an appointment.

Personally, I don't understand why Hermes should apologise in the first place!

*disgusted* Boo Oprah!

Dawn Marie
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:10 PM
Erika Angel

Stars do this all the time there is no need to expect Oprah to hold to different standardto her star counterparts. Bottomline: if it were Cher, Tom Cruise or Nicole Kidman they would have gotten it. Gotten in without commenting on her skin color.

The prez of the store made an APOLOGY for a reason and you can tell yourself and keyboard all you want to the stores defense forever and a day, but it aint going to change the fact that the store made a bad mistake based on ignorance. It won't change the fact that the PREZ made a apology. He apologized because he knows that Oprah was telling the truth. I am sure he fired the ignorant racist for the fiasco. This will cost him some money.

The man apologized. Which means Oprah telling truth and store clerk fired.

gentenaire
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:13 PM
Bottomline: if it were Cher, Tom Cruise or Nicole Kidman they would have gotten it. Gotten in without commenting on her skin color.

and you base this on what exactly? What makes you so convinced they would have been let in?

spokenword73
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:14 PM
Erika Angel

Stars do this all the time there is no need to expect Oprah to hold to different standardto her star counterparts. Bottomline: if it were Cher, Tom Cruise or Nicole Kidman they would have gotten it. Gotten in without commenting on her skin color.

The prez of the store made an APOLOGY for a reason and you can tell yourself and keyboard all you want to the stores defense forever and a day, but it aint going to change the fact that the store made a bad mistake based on ignorance. It won't change the fact that the PREZ made a apology. He apologized because he knows that Oprah was telling the truth. I am sure he fired the ignorant racist for the fiasco. This will cost him some money.

The man apologized. Which means Oprah telling truth and store clerk fired.
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Barrie_Dude
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:15 PM
I am not sure if this has been posted yet. CNN reports Oprah was turned away from HERMES store in France. The store apologized. What store in their right mind would tell Oprah she could not shop there? :(Those frogs really know how to be pissy and rude! :haha:

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:18 PM
Why on earth would Oprah want to shop during business hours? Where she would have to probably stop and be friendly to fans and do the whole thing? We haven't heard Oprah's side of what happened so this whole I'm disappointed in Oprah or it's her fault is not valid yet. How do you know she have someone call and ask if they could show up right after closing? How do y'all not know that they got there thinking the store was open because their were people in there knocked on the door? How do we know anything except Oprah was turned away and the company apologized and gave their version of what happened?

Oprah's show is currently running repeats this week I believe so maybe next week she will talk about it. However, if Oprah jumped to the race conclusion she has good reason as she has been turned away before just because the sales people saw a black lady walking up to the door.

Oh and Oprah's show is shown in over 105 countries so she's not just known in America.

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:19 PM
Erika Angel

Stars do this all the time there is no need to expect Oprah to hold to different standardto her star counterparts. Bottomline: if it were Cher, Tom Cruise or Nicole Kidman they would have gotten it. Gotten in without commenting on her skin color.

The prez of the store made an APOLOGY for a reason and you can tell yourself and keyboard all you want to the stores defense forever and a day, but it aint going to change the fact that the store made a bad mistake based on ignorance. It won't change the fact that the PREZ made a apology. He apologized because he knows that Oprah was telling the truth. I am sure he fired the ignorant racist for the fiasco. This will cost him some money.

The man apologized. Which means Oprah telling truth and store clerk fired.


He never apologised because he was wrong, he ceared up the facts because false rumours (racism) were/are being spread. You can't tell me that it MUST be true because he apologised ... who is the ignorant one now ;)
Meanwhile you can tell yourself that white celebs would've gotten in, and they may have who knows, however I'm sure they would've had the decency to have called beforehand to make sure it was ok for them to come after hours.

I don't see how anyone can say otherwise that this whole fiasco couldn't be fixed if Oprah's reps had called beforehand. And I know for a fact that when celebrities are planning on going to a store intending for a private purchasing session they get their reps to organize it in advance unless they are strolling down the street just walking into a ton of shops. Oprah was clearly going to that store and expected them to let her in and they didn't and she chucked a hissy fit and called racism. How mature of her :rolleyes:

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:23 PM
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do you have anything useful to say or do you just go praising any pro-your opinion comments?

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:23 PM
He never apologised because he was wrong, he ceared up the facts because false rumours (racism) were/are being spread. You can't tell me that it MUST be true because he apologised ... who is the ignorant one now ;)
Meanwhile you can tell yourself that white celebs would've gotten in, and they may have who knows, however I'm sure they would've had the decency to have called beforehand to make sure it was ok for them to come after hours.

I don't see how anyone can say otherwise that this whole fiasco couldn't be fixed if Oprah's reps had called beforehand. And I know for a fact that when celebrities are planning on going to a store intending for a private purchasing session they get their reps to organize it in advance unless they are strolling down the street just walking into a ton of shops. Oprah was clearly going to that store and expected them to let her in and they didn't and she chucked a hissy fit and called racism. How mature of her :rolleyes:

how do you know her people didn't call before hand?

how do you know Oprah has claimed anything? Please provide the quote.

let me guess you can speculate on what Oprah wanted, what she did or did not do but others can't. :rolleyes:

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:26 PM
Why on earth would Oprah want to shop during business hours? Where she would have to probably stop and be friendly to fans and do the whole thing?

Like i have said OVER AND OVER .... celebrities who want to shop afterhours at stores get their reps to organize it so that they don't turn up and noone is there or they have packed up and/or so they can prepare for the celebrity. Oprah did not get this done, she is in the wrong.

spokenword73
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:28 PM
do you have anything useful to say or do you just go praising any pro-your opinion comments?

er... I did start the thread. Are you are the rag are you just naturally a bee?

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:29 PM
how do you know her people didn't call before hand?

how do you know Oprah has claimed anything? Please provide the quote.

let me guess you can speculate on what Oprah wanted, what she did or did not do but others can't. :rolleyes:

..... Umm people I base the fact that her people didn't call beforehand due to the fact she turned up and they didn't let her in .... it was pretty stupid of her turning up if she had been informed beforehand that she wouldn't be allowed in :rolleyes:

And when I said Oprah called racism it was in reply to a comment someone made saying she was in the right in terms of the racism issue (so i assumed somewhere she made that clear). If she has called up Herme's president just cause they wouldnt let her in then she is stupid.

Erika_Angel
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:30 PM
er... I did start the thread. Are you are the rag are you just naturally a bee?

are can are you are learn are to are like are get are an education... are? :rolleyes:

spokenword73
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:34 PM
are can are you are learn are to are like are get are an education... are? :rolleyes:

oops my bad. Didn't know you are a dude.

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:44 PM
..... Umm people I base the fact that her people didn't call beforehand due to the fact she turned up and they didn't let her in .... it was pretty stupid of her turning up if she had been informed beforehand that she wouldn't be allowed in :rolleyes:

um, you don't know if her people didn't arrange it or try to? You assume that based on the fact that they didn't let her in. :lol: Just like people base their opinion that racism was involved because they didn't let her in. See it goes both ways.


And when I said Oprah called racism it was in reply to a comment someone made saying she was in the right in terms of the racism issue (so i assumed somewhere she made that clear). If she has called up Herme's president just cause they wouldnt let her in then she is stupid.

so you're saying your arguing your point based solely on what the posters are saying you haven't read the articles for yourself? :confused:

gentenaire
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:44 PM
Oh and Oprah's show is shown in over 105 countries so she's not just known in America.

No one would recognise her here, I can assure you that. Obviously, with the huge entourage, people would look twice and might then recognise her. But let Oprah walk along in the streets here, very few would recognise her.

Had Oprah called beforehand, she would have known that night wasn't a good night to shop. You don't show up unannounced and expect the clerks to stay longer. They may have kids at home waiting for them, who knows. If they know in advance, then it isn't such a problem. And if she had called, I'm sure it would have been mentioned in the reports so it's quite clear she didn't call. She simply showed up and expected everyone to drop what they were doing to serve her. Her success has gone to her head!

Also, France has strict rules for opening hours, they're not allowed to keep their shops open too long.

Cariaoke
Jun 23rd, 2005, 06:46 PM
How funny that you seem to think having Irish blood can discount you from being anti-white and very PRO PRO PRO black.
I havn't been trying to attack you moreso you have asked for it. You like to play innocent yet you also throw attacks my way.

You may have the people on your side (mostly because this is a very pro-minority board) however I stand by the fact that racism is most probably not a cause in this incident.

If this happened to a white person would you be saying the shop was racist against whites? And France, especially Paris has a very large black community, to think that they wouldn't let her in for being black is just silly in my opinion.
Er, no, honey, I'm proud of my Irish heritage. But like when I walk down the street, no one can SEE my Irish heritage... THEY SEE A BLACK WOMAN.

You called me ignorant and I hadn't even said a word to you. :) My don't we have a very short memory.

If this was a white celebrity, I doubt that it would be a case of racism since most people would assume the boutique workers were white. I'd wonder why they weren't let into the store when they've let other white celebrities in. I'd be just as :confused:.

And as far as Paris is concerned, I'VE BEEN THERE so I'm aware of it's large black community. Did that stop the Moulin Rogue from making black workers work only in the kitchen? They were not allowed to work as waiters and they were rightfully sued for such discrimination.

I guess cities with large black communities have no racism. :rolls:

Keep going, you might make sense one of these days. :)

carot
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:01 PM
how can you shop in a closed store? who would make your ticket? who would help you chose and all that shit? the security guy? lolzers! a closed shop is a closed shop for everyone. or do you think they keep shop assistents in a CLOSED shop :D i guess they would have made an exception if she called she'd come of course but apparently she didn't so yeah, i don't understand the fuzz.

i didn't know oprah's show was shown in 105 countries, i only know i can't see her in belgium and we have channels from most of the western european countries so yeah, IF the show is aired in France it's not on a public channel... i know i can't put a face on oprah, eventhough i know her name and know she has some kind of talkshow

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:03 PM
No one would recognise her here, I can assure you that. Obviously, with the huge entourage, people would look twice and might then recognise her. But let Oprah walk along in the streets here, very few would recognise her.

hmmm, you think people wouldn't notice a black woman wearing expensive clothing in Belgium unless she had a large entourage? And I know I saw a Belgium correspondant on Oprah...maybe she works for oprah and does segments about Begium but they are not shown on the tv there?


Had Oprah called beforehand, she would have known that night wasn't a good night to shop. You don't show up unannounced and expect the clerks to stay longer. They may have kids at home waiting for them, who knows. If they know in advance, then it isn't such a problem. And if she had called, I'm sure it would have been mentioned in the reports so it's quite clear she didn't call. She simply showed up and expected everyone to drop what they were doing to serve her. Her success has gone to her head!

actually the last article states that the employees were there and they were having some kind of "a private public relations event was being prepared inside" so people were working. We don't know if there was a miscommunication, ie one employee thought it was ok for Oprah to come since they were there working anyway or if Oprah showed up thinking the store was opened and saw people inside and assumed they were open. We only know the statement the company gave and lets be honest were they going to issue a statement saying anything that would make them look bad?


Also, France has strict rules for opening hours, they're not allowed to keep their shops open too long.

fine but even the company says she showed up within an half an hour of closing if we are to believe the company.

My point is until we here both sides we don't really know.



Now if we want to speculate on what happened great but let's all just remember it's pure speculation (not directed at you)

Knizzle
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:06 PM
This is not the first time this has happened to Oprah. She's gotten this treatment in Los Angeles before I think.

carot
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:07 PM
ok, apparently rocketta's last post talks about assistents still being in the store so there goes my argument! :D oh well, they'd get a fine if they kept the shop open after opening hours, that's for sure - and having oprah in your store wouldn't do anything publicity wise in france, that's for sure too, so it's their call. extra work = big no no (well would be for me ;))

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:09 PM
and for the record.....if this was a case of racism my bet is Oprah won't even give them a second of attention on her show. She usually doesn't go there. Like the guy who didn't want her Oprah label on his book...she just doesn't have time for that kind of mess. If she chooses to not give someone her business she'll do it quietly working on the inside.

Now if what's being said is false....she'll speak out on it to clear up stuff...she doesn't let false negative things that include her name to go unanswered.

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:12 PM
ok, apparently rocketta's last post talks about assistents still being in the store so there goes my argument! :D oh well, they'd get a fine if they kept the shop open after opening hours, that's for sure - and having oprah in your store wouldn't do anything publicity wise in france, that's for sure too, so it's their call. extra work = big no no (well would be for me ;))

accept Oprah could've possibly bought several bags and other stuff, the woman is a Billionaire, would the fine be more than that?

Sally Struthers
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:12 PM
They should be ashamed of themselves! Sally will NOT be shopping there anymore and will be auctioning off her Hermes items on ebay asap.

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:13 PM
I don't get the love of those bags anyway...but then again I don't get the love of any bag more than $20. :lol:

gentenaire
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:13 PM
hmmm, you think people wouldn't notice a black woman wearing expensive clothing in Belgium unless she had a large entourage? And I know I saw a Belgium correspondant on Oprah...maybe she works for oprah and does segments about Begium but they are not shown on the tv there?

I suppose they would notice her, doesn't mean they would recognise her and know it was Oprah. Her show is shown on a very new channel which very few people watch (the channel, that is). Before that, it wasn't shown anywhere. So it's not a well known show at all. Everyone knows her name and that's about it.

actually the last article states that the employees were there and they were having some kind of "a private public relations event was being prepared inside" so people were working.

So not a good time to show up then, is it? HAs she called, she would have known there was an event being prepared inside.

My point is until we here both sides we don't really know.

Which is why I feel all those racism cries are uncalled for.

At this moment, we only know one thing for certain: had she showed up half an hour earlier, she would have been let in, whatever her skin colour!

Saying with absolute certainty that Tom Cruise would have been let in is rubbish, we don't know that! That IS speculation.

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:13 PM
I don't get the love of those bags anyway...but then again I don't get the love of any bag more than $20. :lol:

actually that's a falshood! Make it $10.. :lol:

gentenaire
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:16 PM
I don't get the love of those bags anyway...but then again I don't get the love of any bag more than $20. :lol:

ditto! But at least it's better than that awful, horrendous Louis Vuitton!

carot
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:16 PM
accept Oprah could've possibly bought several bags and other stuff, the woman is a Billionaire, would the fine be more than that?
i don't know what their benefit margin is and i wouldn't know how fines are calculated. ;) but it's also a state of mind of the french. they have a work week of 35 (!) hours... so yeah, end of work is end of work. i also haven't heard of french celebrities asking to shop after closing time, and i know i've seen pics of french celebrities (like alizée - one of their most famous singers - who was six months preggers) who just shop incognito in paris. it's no problem at all. so maybe they don't like the diva attitude gentenaire was talking about - i know i wouldn't like that either.

aNYthing
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:18 PM
Oprah should buy out the line of stores and burn them...

carot
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:18 PM
Her show is shown on a very new channel which very few people watch (the channel, that is). Before that, it wasn't shown anywhere. So it's not a well known show at all. Everyone knows her name and that's about it.


well i'll be damned, it's shown here :D probably one of them new lousy female channels :p

Cariaoke
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:20 PM
actually that's a falshood! Make it $10.. :lol:
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gentenaire
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:21 PM
well i'll be damned, it's shown here :D probably one of them new lousy female channels :p

Yup, spot on, it's on VijfTV.

Alizée is preggers? But isn't she like 15 or so?

gentenaire
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:23 PM
actually that's a falshood! Make it $10.. :lol:

I would pay more for a purse than that, to be honest, considering I use it a lot.

Don't worry, I still love you :kiss:

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:23 PM
I suppose they would notice her, doesn't mean they would recognise her and know it was Oprah. Her show is shown on a very new channel which very few people watch (the channel, that is). Before that, it wasn't shown anywhere. So it's not a well known show at all. Everyone knows her name and that's about it.

so her show is shown in Belgium?




So not a good time to show up then, is it? HAs she called, she would have known there was an event being prepared inside.

once again we don't know if her assistant called or didn't call....what if she called and the person she spoke to thought it would be ok cause they were all going to be there and then found out it wasn't. God knows that's happened at my job before speak to one employee get one answer, speak to another get another answer. Not saying that happened just saying it's as possible as her not calling and showing up 20 minutes after a store closed and expecting someone to still be there? How would she have known that someone would've still been there to answer her knock or sell her anything 15 to 20 minutes after closing anyway? Most stores I've ever been to when they are closed no one is around....they are usually out of there asap (we are talking about salesmen and cashiers not stockers and cleaning crew).



Which is why I feel all those racism cries are uncalled for.

At this moment, we only know one thing for certain: had she showed up half an hour earlier, she would have been let in, whatever her skin colour!

That's where you are wrong we don't know that this is what non-minorities just don't get. Oprah has been refused service in an upscale business during business hours because she was black. Other black, brown people have been refused service during business hours becuase of skin color. So no we can't say for fact that had she arrived 30 minutes earlier she would've gotten in. Highly likely, yes but a certainty ah I would have to say no.


Saying with absolute certainty that Tom Cruise would have been let in is rubbish, we don't know that! That IS speculation.

no there's no certainty that he would've got in either.

CooCooCachoo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:23 PM
Why on earth would Oprah want to shop during business hours?

That is the wrong way to phrase the question. What we should be asking ourselves is:

Why should stores open after business hours, just cause some celebrity wants to shop there at that time?

You know that they won't stay open longer for normal people, so why should they do Oprah that favour? Should we value Oprah more than the average human being and thus give her special privileges?

I don't think so.

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:27 PM
I would pay more for a purse than that, to be honest, considering I use it a lot.

Don't worry, I still love you :kiss:

awww, thank you. I always enjoy discussing with you too as it always can stay on topic and not become about the people. :hug:

but I don't carry a purse...It stays in my car for the most part. I carry around one of those tiny purses that costs like $5-7...:o

carot
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:27 PM
Yup, spot on, it's on VijfTV.

Alizée is preggers? But isn't she like 15 or so?
vijftv, i could have guessed. pleease tell our US friends the ratings of this channel ;)

alizée ages like the rest of us tine, she won't remain 15 the rest of her life :D

lizchris
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:28 PM
This bad press is going to hurt the store for awhile. And it isn't going to go away because when Oprah's show returns in September, she is going to address the issure.

I know that I will not be pruchasing their bags (just likeI don't purchase any Fendi garbage).

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:29 PM
That is the wrong way to phrase the question. What we should be asking ourselves is:

Why should stores open after business hours, just cause some celebrity wants to shop there at that time?

You know that they won't stay open longer for normal people, so why should they do Oprah that favour? Should we value Oprah more than the average human being and thus give her special privileges?

I don't think so.

that's an easy question to answer....a normal person might buy one $5000 bag, a rich celeb will probably buy many $5000 bags along with other stuff. Then if said celeb is photographed with your bag, you get free publicity and it doesn't matter where the celeb lives because if you sell product in their country free advertising is always a good thing.

CooCooCachoo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:32 PM
that's an easy question to answer....a normal person might buy one $5000 bag, a rich celeb will probably buy many $5000 bags along with other stuff. Then if said celeb is photographed with your bag, you get free publicity and it doesn't matter where the celeb lives because if you sell product in their country free advertising is always a good thing.

I do not think sales assistants care about that and I think they'd rather not make extra hours cause Oprah wants a new bag or a haircut.

Moreover, Hermes is a store with mostly wealthy clients, so the spenditure of one client will already be high.

And you are completely ignoring the moral debate. Celebrities always get stuff for free and get special privileges, when 'normal people' need them more most of the times.

-Ph51-
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:33 PM
vijftv, i could have guessed. pleease tell our US friends the ratings of this channel ;)

alizée ages like the rest of us tine, she won't remain 15 the rest of her life :D
You know a lot about Alizée :hehehe:

gentenaire
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:35 PM
You know a lot about Alizée :hehehe:

he's a teeny wheeny little bit obsessed about her. Carottie, if Alizée showed up at a store where you worked as a clerk after hours, would you let her in?

carot
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:37 PM
You know a lot about Alizée :hehehe:
roar, not close enough to what i'd want to know :lick: ;)

i better back of from this discussion seeing like all my 'arguments' from my first posts were in the wrong :D

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:37 PM
I do not think sales assistants care about that and I think they'd rather not make extra hours cause Oprah wants a new bag or a haircut.

Moreover, Hermes is a store with mostly wealthy clients, so the spenditure of one client will already be high.

And you are completely ignoring the moral debate. Celebrities always get stuff for free and get special privileges, when 'normal people' need them more most of the times.

I'm not ignoring the moral debate there is no moral debate..We are not talking about medical care here. We are talking about letting someone spend their own money after hours because it's beneficial to the patron and the store.

Also, what the sales assistants get from the whole thing is called a commission, and possibly overtime.

carot
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:37 PM
he's a teeny wheeny little bit obsessed about her. Carottie, if Alizée showed up at a store where you worked as a clerk after hours, would you let her in?
Yes, but i wouldn't let her out :o

-Ph51-
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:38 PM
he's a teeny wheeny little bit obsessed about her. Carottie, if Alizée showed up at a store where you worked as a clerk after hours, would you let her in?
no...he's not the father, so... :tape:

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:43 PM
oh and funny thing happened while this conversation is going on at my job. We have an educational center aimed at hispanics at my school. We do all the id's for the school in the Library. The director of the center came in with a new employee for an id and my boss basically dismissed them and said, "Rocketta (but my first name ;) ), can you make their cards you deal with them usually!" Now she does not like Mexicans and if I hadn't been around she would've looked for any opportunity to tell them no they couldn't have a card right then and they need to come back. I can guarantee you she doesn't think she's prejudice but she is big time. :tape:

gentenaire
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:43 PM
no...he's not the father, so... :tape:

How do you know that? :tape: Who knows where carot's carrot has been....

apoet29
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:45 PM
That's where you are wrong we don't know that this is what non-minorities just don't get. Oprah has been refused service in an upscale business during business hours because she was black. Other black, brown people have been refused service during business hours becuase of skin color. So no we can't say for fact that had she arrived 30 minutes earlier she would've gotten in. Highly likely, yes but a certainty ah I would have to say no.



Actually, I'm a minority and I agree with G. What he is trying to say is that we don't know that Hermes refusal of Oprah was based solely on her skin color given the circumstances surrounding this incident. She was refused service after hours because the store was setting up an event. What I think happened here was just bad communication all around. If Oprah wanted to shop after hours, then she should have set something up in advance. There is no indication in the reports so far that she did so. It could be a case where she didn't know when the store closed and went on the off chance that it might be open. She probably saw people inside working and assumed that it was still open and that is when she tried to get in. If Hermes didn't want to make accomodations for Oprah that evening, then they should have told her why and set something up for another day. Or if they didn't want to do that, they could have just told her that they were busy trying to set up for an event and told her their business hours. Honestly, Oprah's celebrity isn't going to impress anyone in a store like that. Upscale stores like Hermes see tons of celebrities all the time. Why would Oprah be impressive to them? Particularly since Oprah is an American icon?

To me, both sides handled the situation badly. The store clerks, who probably resented working extra hours that they weren't going to be paid for, were rude and could have handled the situation better, particularly since they are probably use to celebrity clients. Oprah's assistants should have taken the time to ensure that she could actually get in the store. I'm sure that experience was probably embarassing to someone of Oprah's stature.

I'm sorry. I just don't see the need to pull out the racism card every time something happens to someone who is a minority.

apoet29
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:47 PM
oh and funny thing happened while this conversation is going on at my job. We have an educational center aimed at hispanics at my school. We do all the id's for the school in the Library. The director of the center came in with a new employee for an id and my boss basically dismissed them and said, "Rocketta (but my first name ;) ), can you make their cards you deal with them usually!" Now she does not like Mexicans and if I hadn't been around she would've looked for any opportunity to tell them no they couldn't have a card right then and they need to come back. I can guarantee you she doesn't think she's prejudice but she is big time. :tape:

She probably knows she's prejudice, but would never admit it publicly. I see people like that in WV all the time.

carot
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:49 PM
How do you know that? :tape: Who knows where carot's carrot has been....
Luckily Fille cannot read our reps :kiss: :devil:

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:51 PM
apoet what she (Gent) said was that it was a fact that if Oprah arrived 30 minutes earlier she would've gotten in and I say that's not guaranteed. Oprah herself was denied service during busines hours before so it's not for certain. I think it's highly likely that had she shown up before they closed she would've been let in, no doubt.

-Ph51-
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:53 PM
How do you know that? :tape: Who knows where carot's carrot has been....
She just told me to say hello to Carot :drool: :lol:

harloo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 08:01 PM
The O will clear up this matter when she speaks about the incident on her show. Oprah has never been one to make false accusations, her fan base is too diverse.

I believe that someone from the top told the sales associates to keep the Africans out because of the trouble. Then she was profiled and refused entrance even when she told them who she was. No Africans Allowed! Some employee made the mistake and now O is mad as hell as she should be.

:lol:

Rocketta
Jun 23rd, 2005, 08:04 PM
The O will clear up this matter when she speaks about the incident on her show. Oprah has never been one to make false accusations, her fan base is too diverse.

I believe that someone from the top told the sales associates to keep the Africans out because of the trouble. Then she was profiled and refused entrance even when she told them who she was. No Africans Allowed! Some employee made the mistake and now O is mad as hell as she should be.

:lol:

I think if it happened like you think, Harloo, Oprah will never talk about it. I think if it was just a misunderstanding she will go out of her way to clear it up.

I just can't see her even giving them a second of her time if she thinks they racially profiled her.

GoDominique
Jun 23rd, 2005, 08:44 PM
Opera (sp?) is an absolute no-name in Europe. She could have easily shopped during opening hours, none would have recognized her. :)

-Ph51-
Jun 23rd, 2005, 09:08 PM
you and the other Europeans here seem to know who she is:o :tape:
Isn't she that woman denied entry at Hermes :haha:

spokenword73
Jun 23rd, 2005, 09:28 PM
After reading all the posts, I wonder if it is a matter of cultural differences...
most high end stores in, say Beverly Hills, would have broken their necks to have Oprah shop there. They would have loved the $$$, publicity, attention, rubbing elbows opportunity...apparently these things are unimportant in other parts of the world...:o
Perhaps if Oprah arrived spur of the moment, other folks just aren't as flexible as Americans...
And don't tourists visit Paris? Wouldn't they have recognized the big O?
and as for Oprah not being recognized...that's hard to believe because her face is on just about every magazine their is, on the web and in the newspaper almost weekly

selking
Jun 23rd, 2005, 09:37 PM
awww poor oprah doesn't get everything that she wants for once. poor woman.

gentenaire
Jun 23rd, 2005, 10:02 PM
and as for Oprah not being recognized...that's hard to believe because her face is on just about every magazine their is, on the web and in the newspaper almost weekly

You are aware that there's a world outside the US, I hope?

CooCooCachoo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 10:03 PM
I'm not ignoring the moral debate there is no moral debate..We are not talking about medical care here. We are talking about letting someone spend their own money after hours because it's beneficial to the patron and the store.

Also, what the sales assistants get from the whole thing is called a commission, and possibly overtime.

I do believe it is a moral debate. Society is acting as if celebrities are larger than life, when they often do stuff of little importance. I understand that it is impossible for Oprah to just shop in a store when everyone else can do so at the same time, but she should not make such a big fuss about this. If a shop is closed, it's closed. It should be considered extremely hospitable of the shop manager to re-open the doors for a celebrity; it should not be considered rude and hostile if a shop that is closed after working hours remains closed.

spokenword73
Jun 23rd, 2005, 10:16 PM
You are aware that there's a world outside the US, I hope?

It is called the "worldwide web" right? Why is it that folks in Africa, South America and parts of Asia have heard of Oprah and folks in Europe haven't? :rolleyes:

DemWilliamsGulls
Jun 23rd, 2005, 10:30 PM
They dont know they have really fucked up...you don't do Oprah like that.....its going to be some people in the unemployment line after that....as much money Oprah makes and her status as a humanitarian as well...those employees at Hermes has fucked up ROYALLY....I dont blame oprah...they wouldn't get a food stamp from me after being racist like that....I dont care what problem they've had with North Africans.

Dana Marcy
Jun 23rd, 2005, 10:45 PM
Can't make any judgment because there could be something lost in the translation and also there's cultural differences (not race-related but meaning the way Americans and the French do things, day to day).

RVD
Jun 23rd, 2005, 10:54 PM
Erika Angel

Stars do this all the time there is no need to expect Oprah to hold to different standardto her star counterparts. Bottomline: if it were Cher, Tom Cruise or Nicole Kidman they would have gotten it. Gotten in without commenting on her skin color.

The prez of the store made an APOLOGY for a reason and you can tell yourself and keyboard all you want to the stores defense forever and a day, but it aint going to change the fact that the store made a bad mistake based on ignorance. It won't change the fact that the PREZ made a apology. He apologized because he knows that Oprah was telling the truth. I am sure he fired the ignorant racist for the fiasco. This will cost him some money.

The man apologized. Which means Oprah telling truth and store clerk fired.Best response I've read yet. Sorry couldn't give you a green rep. Says I have to spread it around. :wavey:

Anyway, just curious, but...
Why is it that it's a known fact that celebrities have ALWAYS shown up unannounced and gotten special treatment, but when someone like Oprah does it, it's suddenly something that's never done? :lol: Elizabeth Taylor would regularly show up and expect the queen's treatment, and she got it. She had that much clout and prestige, and was that well known. Most 'A' list superstars are treated as such because businesses cater to the mega-elite. Is not Oprah a mega-elite?

The president of Hermes called Oprah to apologize because as a successful businessman, he KNOWS what this bad press could do to company sells. He's probably very familiar with how much influence Oprah had during that 'beef' fiasco (as any good businessman would) and was intent on preventing the same mishap with Hermes. In short, he is a man with great business sense.

Personally, I'm interested in this story for only one reason. And that has to do with the affect on the Hermes stock prices. Oprah single-handedly influenced the beef market, which is a clear indication of the sort of power she wields. Granted, I'm no way near a fan of Oprah's, but her star power is undeniable.

Oh, and one more thing:
Oprah is a SELF-MADE BILLIONAIRE FEATURED IN FORBES. EVERYONE WHO IS SOMEONE IN THE BUSINESS WORLD READS FORBES BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEE IF THEY MADE THE LISTS. FOR PEOPLE TO SUGGEST THAT OPRAH IS NOT KNOWN IN FRANCE IS RIDICULOUS.

RVD
Jun 23rd, 2005, 11:02 PM
Oops, I neglected to mention something...

When someone of Oprah's prestige arrives unannounced, whoever is in charge at the particular time is charged with the responsibility of contacting a higher-up in order to decide the best course of action.

The fact that the Hermes employees said, "We know who you are..." speaks volumes as to their intent. Paraphrased, they are saying, "We don't care who you are..." Hence the call of apology from the Hermes president.

Lastly, Oprah is on a very short list of female billionaires. Her worth is enough to buy some countries. :lol: If you don't know who she is, and you work in a store like Hermes, who caters to the mega-rich, then you won't keep that job for long. :tape: :lol:

Martian Willow
Jun 23rd, 2005, 11:06 PM
Some people just aren't getting that Oprah isn't that big a star in Europe. Do you think Michael Schumacher would have a problem shopping in New York?

Until you can prove Hermes has ever stayed open to let a white celeb shop after turning up unannounced out of hours...you have no case.

:)

Dana Marcy
Jun 23rd, 2005, 11:06 PM
Oh, and one more thing:
Oprah is a SELF-MADE BILLIONAIRE FEATURED IN FORBES. EVERYONE WHO IS SOMEONE IN THE BUSINESS WORLD READS FORBES BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEE IF THEY MADE THE LISTS. FOR PEOPLE TO SUGGEST THAT OPRAH IS NOT KNOWN IN FRANCE IS RIDICULOUS.

In my experience in travelling to Europe over the years, in general, Europeans (on the continent) are NOT as fascinated with Hollywood and celebrities as Americans are so I think it's possible that the Hermes employees didn't recognize Oprah. I'm not saying that none are interested but they aren't as "obsessed" or "preoccupied" with stars as we are.

Martian Willow
Jun 23rd, 2005, 11:13 PM
I can well imagine if they hadn't initially recognized her, and she or her 'entourage' might have said I'm Oprah Winfrey, they might have recognized the name...but they wouldn't have got excited. :)

decemberlove
Jun 23rd, 2005, 11:14 PM
Personally, I'm interested in this story for only one reason. And that has to do with the affect on the Hermes stock prices. Oprah single-handedly influenced the beef market, which is a clear indication of the sort of power she wields.


That was discussed earlier in the thread.

RVD
Jun 23rd, 2005, 11:48 PM
In my experience in travelling to Europe over the years, in general, Europeans (on the continent) are NOT as fascinated with Hollywood and celebrities as Americans are so I think it's possible that the Hermes employees didn't recognize Oprah. I'm not saying that none are interested but they aren't as "obsessed" or "preoccupied" with stars as we are.Hey Dana Marcy, I love your posts. :wavey:
What you say is credible, but look... They said that they knew who she was. :shrug:

See, my thing is not that anybody is being racists, because I don't know. I was not there. However, those of Oprah's entourage who were there, are credible individuals. I'd imagine Oprah is as careful with who she surrounds herself with as what she eats. :lol:

But in direct response to your post, is it conceivable that people who work in a Hermes store would follow some billionaire superstars or know someone of Oprah's stature? Maybe even know of one who telecasts into 105 countries? See, I'm not suggesting that everyone in Europe knows Oprah. But those employed in such an establishment as Hermes more than likely would. I find that entirely feasible. :angel:
That was discussed earlier in the thread.Hence my post to that affect as well. :wavey:

Interesting discussion. :cool:

Madhuri
Jun 24th, 2005, 12:36 AM
Oprah's best friend Gayle was just on Entertainment Tonight.

She says the store was NOT closed.There were people inside clearly shopping but Oprah was refused entry by a clerk and then a manager. She said oprah is totally okay because she will just continue to shop only at places that appreciate her business.

spokenword73
Jun 24th, 2005, 12:46 AM
Oprah's best friend Gayle was just on Entertainment Tonight.

She says the store was NOT closed.There were people inside clearly shopping but Oprah was refused entry by a clerk and then a manager. She said oprah is totally okay because she will just continue to shop only at places that appreciate her business.

WOW!! Oprah must have been very hurt (emotionally)by this...
I heard on NPR that yes, she did call ahead so I don't understand why they did not let her in :shrug:

OUT!
Jun 24th, 2005, 12:51 AM
You are aware that there's a world outside the US, I hope?
Exactly, her show isn't screened in Europe.

Madhuri
Jun 24th, 2005, 12:55 AM
WOW!! Oprah must have been very hurt (emotionally)by this...
I heard on NPR that yes, she did call ahead so I don't understand why they did not let her in :shrug:

In light of this new information (i.e. the store was not closed, Oprah called ahead) how do the people who never believe race is a factor rationalize the treatment Oprah recieved now?

Rocketta
Jun 24th, 2005, 01:12 AM
Exactly, her show isn't screened in Europe.

eh her show is screened in Europe? :confused:

GoDominique
Jun 24th, 2005, 01:16 AM
eh her show is screened in Europe? :confused:
Where?

Rocketta
Jun 24th, 2005, 01:16 AM
Oprah's best friend Gayle was just on Entertainment Tonight.

She says the store was NOT closed.There were people inside clearly shopping but Oprah was refused entry by a clerk and then a manager. She said oprah is totally okay because she will just continue to shop only at places that appreciate her business.

Whoah!!!!!!!!

Ok, that settles it. You either believe the statement the company put out or you believe Gail.....


I believe Gail because I know Oprah has no reason to lie about a business. She doesn't need their money or their bags. :(

Normally I don't take the work of a companion but everyone who knows Oprah knows Gail's words as her best friend are bond.

From Oprah's view

1. They called ahead (which I know Oprah and no way she's going to try to bogart her way in anywhere. )

2. People were in there shopping.

3. She was turned away not because they were closed.

Wow, I hope she does everything to give them bad press and wreck their American sales....although I know she won't....but a girl can hope.

CondiLicious
Jun 24th, 2005, 01:17 AM
eh her show is screened in Europe? :confused:

Well, I know in the UK they used to air her show on the BBC... this was about a decade ago and then it was shown on SKY and now I don't think it's aired here at all.

Rocketta
Jun 24th, 2005, 01:33 AM
Well, I know in the UK they used to air her show on the BBC... this was about a decade ago and then it was shown on SKY and now I don't think it's aired here at all.

she's aired in 105 international markets....Europe is definitely included. Tine already said she's in Belgium....she might not be on a big station but she's aired in Europe whether that includes England. I don't know.

spokenword73
Jun 24th, 2005, 02:04 AM
she's aired in 105 international markets....Europe is definitely included. Tine already said she's in Belgium....she might not be on a big station but she's aired in Europe whether that includes England. I don't know.

I was assuming, maybe incorrectly, that folks may be able to see Oprah via satillite all over the world. Like I said before she is known throughout Africa and Asia.:)

Paneru
Jun 24th, 2005, 03:34 AM
Oprah's best friend Gayle was just on Entertainment Tonight.

She says the store was NOT closed.There were people inside clearly shopping but Oprah was refused entry by a clerk and then a manager. She said oprah is totally okay because she will just continue to shop only at places that appreciate her business.

I saw that!

Oprah promptley contacted them
to cancel her order of those
expensive bags.

Gail said Oprah called it one of or
her most humiliating moments ever!

Calling it a, "Crash Moment".
In reference to the movie with
Sandra Bullock & Brendan Fraser.

Gail also said that Oprah will be discussing it
on her show when she returns in the fall!

Justeenium
Jun 24th, 2005, 03:50 AM
look the manager and store owner might want Oprah's money but the low wage cashiers and department associated probably don't care about the store's earnings and they wanted to go home. The government protects these workers against bad treatment from management unlike they do in the US (FYI Kohls and Target are horrible to their employees)

Rocketta
Jun 24th, 2005, 04:26 AM
I saw that!

Oprah promptley contacted them
to cancel her order of those
expensive bags.

Gail said Oprah called it one of or
her most humiliating moments ever!

Calling it a, "Crash Moment".
In reference to the movie with
Sandra Bullock & Brendan Fraser.

Gail also said that Oprah will be discussing it
on her show when she returns in the fall!

how many bags was it, did Gail say?

Anyway Oprah must be some kind of mad for her to say she's going to discuss it. :eek:

ginger_fish668
Jun 24th, 2005, 05:15 AM
This discussion is getting ridiculous.

Personally, I don't feel that celebrities should be getting any preferential treatment. But the fact is that celebrities are treated differently.

Especially Oprah, she has more money than God and seems a little too full of herself nowaday, a little too smug for my liking.

But if they havn't turned down celebrities in this situation before, why Oprah?

So the reason they turned down Oprah would be...? Only they know for sure.

~ The Leopard ~
Jun 24th, 2005, 05:25 AM
I'm sorry but why does she feel that she should be allowed into a store after closing just because she is a celebrity?

Exactly. It seems this woman is full of herself. One set of rules for the rest of us and one for her. Then she has the temerity to whine about it.

deja_entendu
Jun 24th, 2005, 06:46 AM
Exactly. It seems this woman is full of herself. One set of rules for the rest of us and one for her. Then she has the temerity to whine about it.

Exactly. Rocketta, ReeVeeDynasty, and the lot are making themselves look foolish. :lol: The sun will rise tomorrow. :haha:

Oprah is a diva.

But seriously, if I owned a shop like Hermes or any other high end European fashion store in Paris, I would not want Oprah's fat American ass modeling my high-end designer bags, that's for sure. Surely such a product would then become the trend with all those middle-income housewives with minivans! :tape:

Crazy Canuck
Jun 24th, 2005, 06:52 AM
Oprah is my heroine and I will hear none of this bashing! Down with Hermes! :angel:

Calvin
Jun 24th, 2005, 07:32 AM
This is ridiculous! Even when you look at what the (un-biased) friend who was actually there has to say. Let's just start with actual facts, backed up with real quotes & a video-tape:


It is now been revealed staff did recognise the popular star but refused her entry because she wanted to shop after the store had closed for the evening at 6.30pm.

A friend of Oprah's is quoted by America's New York Daily News newspaper as saying: "They knew exactly who she was". They specifically said, 'We know who you are'".


So far so good, it seems like Oprah was refused entry because the store was closed, and they wouldn't reopen just because she was a celebrity (which was their right).

Now comes the friend's INTERPRETATION and SPECULATION, not backed up by any proof whatsoever!


The pal also claims the staff only refused the 51-year-old star entry because she is black. The friend added: "If it had been Celine Dion or Britney Spears or Barbra Streisand, there is no way they would not be let in that store".


Please show me definate proof that Oprah was specifically denied entrance because of her skin colour and "problems with North-Africans" and I will join you guys in screaming "RACISM!" all over the place...

To me it seems like a celebrity & her friends not getting the attention they wanted and acting like a spoilt brat afterwards...

deja_entendu
Jun 24th, 2005, 07:38 AM
I know, Oprah got some humble pie smashed in her rich bitch face, and all she's left with is sour grapes. :crazy: Poor gal.

Paneru
Jun 24th, 2005, 07:45 AM
Can't say I'm surprised and expected some
of these quite typical responses in these
types of situations. :cool:

Oprah Winfrey is a thoughtful, intelligent, and articulate
person who isn't going to make a racial issue out of
something that isn't or wasn't.

Gayle is Oprah's best friend and is reliable
in relating anything Oprah related.

I believe Oprah, their is absolutely no
reason for her to be lying.

Furthermore, if what the store says is true and I'm sure
they have camera's in their store, why not if what you say
is true simply turn tapes of the store at said time over to the
media and put a halt to it like that.

Don't see that one happening.

deja_entendu
Jun 24th, 2005, 08:12 AM
:haha: I must say I LOVE it. Oprah is talentless, completely and totally talentless, and the most sickeningly unattractive person on the planet. I'm glad Hermes brought her ego back down to earth. Celebrities cannot get away with anything, especially ones less talented than Paris Hilton.

"Sluggy"
Jun 24th, 2005, 08:23 AM
:bounce: The dollar does not rule in france. When a store closes, very often the owner wont reopen for all of the money in the world. I spoke with many french people last night and they all assured me that no person working in a store would say something like "oh weve had recent problems with north africans and therefore you cant come in since you are black". no person would ever get a job again if they said that. Im sorry to disappoint anybody here, but people dont say things like in france. BTW, I am an American Expatriate 4 years in France, have a brother 10 years in france, and i know many french people including Africans, Arabs, Indians, etc, and they all say that nobody working in a store would make that kinda statement :bounce:

Crazy Canuck
Jun 24th, 2005, 08:31 AM
:haha: I must say I LOVE it. Oprah is talentless, completely and totally talentless, and the most sickeningly unattractive person on the planet. I'm glad Hermes brought her ego back down to earth. Celebrities cannot get away with anything, especially ones less talented than Paris Hilton.
Say what you want about Oprah, but to call her talentless and put her in the same line as Paris is fucking absurd. Oprah came from nothing, endured immense childhood abuse, racial/gender/socioeconomical barriers, and is now one of the most successful women on the planet. She has talent and skills that she was able to work very hard with - those combined with a little good fotune are what have allowed her to get where she was.

Call her a Diva, call her a brat celebrity - but to talk about her in this light is just appalling. Based on her life and where she is now, she is an inspiration to women everywhere.

Is it really worth trolling Rocketta and them if it's going ot make you look so ignorant? :shrug:

ginger_fish668
Jun 24th, 2005, 08:41 AM
This situation is waaaay overblown.
I don't think that Oprah should be talking about this incident on her show. But that's just me.

Veritas
Jun 24th, 2005, 08:53 AM
I am not sure if this has been posted yet. CNN reports Oprah was turned away from HERMES store in France. The store apologized. What store in their right mind would tell Oprah she could not shop there? :(

I'd be really interested to know which celebrities Hermes has "made exceptions" for in the past and in what circumstances.

Had any other "white" star did what Oprah had done and come in without giving any prior notification but had been allowed to shop even though it's past working hours, then I think the store management needs to give its staff a serious pep talk. What others have said before me were right: making exceptions for celebrities may be unfair, but if there are certain stars who can expect the store to bend their backs over for them, then every other star with the same calibre should be given the same treatment. Oprah being a powerful black celeb should not be used to determine how she's judged: Oprah being a powerful celeb should.

But if the store hasn't let anyone in unannounced before, then I don't see why they should've made exceptions for Oprah. And of course, it's common courtesy to make some arrangements with the store - it would've saved a lot of trouble and this incident wouldn't have happened in the first place.

Szymanowski
Jun 24th, 2005, 08:56 AM
Here's the story.


Oprah who?:-
New York | June 20, 2005 4:34:47 PM IST


Oprah Winfrey may have been named the most powerful celebrity by Forbes, but the talk show queen was reportdly denied entry by the Hermes store in Paris.

According to sources, when the 'Oprah Winfrey' show host went to the store to get her hair done, nobody recognised her and refused entry.

"Oprah didn't have her hair done. When she tried the door, they refused her entry because they have been 'having a problem with North Africans' lately' and obviously had no clue who she was," the New York Post quoted an insider as saying. (ANI)
Ok; the bit about 'North Africans' is quite obviously appaling and horrible, but I fail to see why just because she's famous, she should be allowed in to get her hair done if the store is shut? or am I stupidly missing the point? :confused:

skanky~skanketta
Jun 24th, 2005, 09:00 AM
How much money, power and prestige does a woman have to have to be immune from racism?:fiery:
i was thinking the same thing!

"Sluggy"
Jun 24th, 2005, 09:13 AM
Also, France has strict rules for opening hours, they're not allowed to keep their shops open too long.


Yep, France sticks to the rules. We have labour laws here and if President Chirac, President Bush & the Dalai Llama wanted to keep salespeople late, in violation of labour laws, they would tell them to put a cork in it. France is not ruled by the dollar, they dont sell their souls like people is some places do. The behaviour that the french salesperson is accused of is just unheard of, it doesnt happen. :lol:

"Sluggy"
Jun 24th, 2005, 09:24 AM
The store clerks, who probably resented working extra hours that they weren't going to be paid for, were rude and could have handled the situation better, particularly since they are probably use to celebrity clients.

Not exactly. for americans its hard not to imagine the dollar not ruling everything. A commonly heard saying in American is "what is your price". Believe it or not, French people often dont have a price. When it is 6 oclock and the work day is over, people go home. if the head honcho says to say, you say no and you are protected. its a socialist country so the workers have no fear of saying no to the boss, no fear of being "blacklisted" in any way, of having a bad reputation etc. This mentality was apparent in the time of Ben Frankliln, when he was living in Paris. Each person did THEIR OWN work, never would do a job assigned to someone else, and was basically lazy, indulgent, enjoying wine and food, an entirely different character than Americans. NO wonder i like it here :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Oh and btw, when we see celebrities in france, we dont run up to them and ask for autographs, kisses and photos. I met the most famous french comedian a few years ago, and he sat with us for a while and nobody came up to him or took notice.

I just wanted to add that I personally dont have a price ANY MORE. I mean if Oprah wanted to give me money for any reason, i wouldnt accept it, if she wanted to rent my apartment and i didnt want to, would suffer embarassment, loss of pride etc, no i have not price. Not for 1,000,000 not for 1000000000000 not for anything. well, maybe for a date with Paris Hilton... but point being, is french mentality is starkly different from American attitudes. French people would be shocked by a person who asked for SPECIAL things, special privileges etc. I work in a professional field and the Top people in the company, albeit rich have the same administrative holdups, same problems getting back money that is owed to them, have to wait in line like the huddled masses. The notion that because they are powerful and can flex their muscles and everyone will fall in line is absolutely RIDICULOUS. :wavey:

Szymanowski
Jun 24th, 2005, 09:35 AM
Why the hell should a celebrity be treated any differently? After all, why does the fact that you are on TV say automatically that you are a better person who deserves superior treatment? :confused:

RVD
Jun 24th, 2005, 10:21 AM
Not exactly. for americans its hard not to imagine the dollar not ruling everything. A commonly heard saying in American is "what is your price". Believe it or not, French people often dont have a price. When it is 6 oclock and the work day is over, people go home. if the head honcho says to say, you say no and you are protected. its a socialist country so the workers have no fear of saying no to the boss, no fear of being "blacklisted" in any way, of having a bad reputation etc. This mentality was apparent in the time of Ben Frankliln, when he was living in Paris. Each person did THEIR OWN work, never would do a job assigned to someone else, and was basically lazy, indulgent, enjoying wine and food, an entirely different character than Americans. NO wonder i like it here :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Oh and btw, when we see celebrities in france, we dont run up to them and ask for autographs, kisses and photos. I met the most famous french comedian a few years ago, and he sat with us for a while and nobody came up to him or took notice.

I just wanted to add that I personally dont have a price ANY MORE. I mean if Oprah wanted to give me money for any reason, i wouldnt accept it, if she wanted to rent my apartment and i didnt want to, would suffer embarassment, loss of pride etc, no i have not price. Not for 1,000,000 not for 1000000000000 not for anything. well, maybe for a date with Paris Hilton... but point being, is french mentality is starkly different from American attitudes. French people would be shocked by a person who asked for SPECIAL things, special privileges etc. I work in a professional field and the Top people in the company, albeit rich have the same administrative holdups, same problems getting back money that is owed to them, have to wait in line like the huddled masses. The notion that because they are powerful and can flex their muscles and everyone will fall in line is absolutely RIDICULOUS. :wavey:So French businesses are not interested in making money? http://deephousepage.com/smilies/conf40.gif Well hell, I didn't know that. I thought all businesses operated to make money. So in essense French businesses are there to what...? Give shit away for free? Tell me Bunker, what business philosophy do French companies operate under, cuz I am truly curious now?
:bounce: The dollar does not rule in france. When a store closes, very often the owner wont reopen for all of the money in the world. I spoke with many french people last night and they all assured me that no person working in a store would say something like "oh weve had recent problems with north africans and therefore you cant come in since you are black". no person would ever get a job again if they said that. Im sorry to disappoint anybody here, but people dont say things like in france. BTW, I am an American Expatriate 4 years in France, have a brother 10 years in france, and i know many french people including Africans, Arabs, Indians, etc, and they all say that nobody working in a store would make that kinda statement :bounce:And your friends speak for all the people of France?! :eek: You've got powerful friends bunker. Incidentally, the story I heard on the radio quoted the store workers as saying, "We've had problems with North Americans." But if you say it was 'North Africans', then by golly it must be 'North Africans'.
Exactly. Rocketta, ReeVeeDynasty, and the lot are making themselves look foolish. :lol: The sun will rise tomorrow. :haha:

Oprah is a diva.

But seriously, if I owned a shop like Hermes or any other high end European fashion store in Paris, I would not want Oprah's fat American ass modeling my high-end designer bags, that's for sure. Surely such a product would then become the trend with all those middle-income housewives with minivans! :tape:You make this statement, but we're the fools?! :lol:

deja_entendu = zero credibility. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/headshake.gif

Incidentally deja, those are some pretty harsh, and very discriminatory statements. And the fact that you make such statements speaks volumes of the type of person you are.

Oh well, I'm done with this topic. You guys have at it.
CHEERIO! :wavey:

Martian Willow
Jun 24th, 2005, 10:24 AM
I'd be really interested to know which celebrities Hermes has "made exceptions" for in the past and in what circumstances.

Had any other "white" star did what Oprah had done and come in without giving any prior notification but had been allowed to shop even though it's past working hours, then I think the store management needs to give its staff a serious pep talk. What others have said before me were right: making exceptions for celebrities may be unfair, but if there are certain stars who can expect the store to bend their backs over for them, then every other star with the same calibre should be given the same treatment. Oprah being a powerful black celeb should not be used to determine how she's judged: Oprah being a powerful celeb should.

But if the store hasn't let anyone in unannounced before, then I don't see why they should've made exceptions for Oprah. And of course, it's common courtesy to make some arrangements with the store - it would've saved a lot of trouble and this incident wouldn't have happened in the first place.

I don't see why. They're entitled to pick and choose which 'celebrities' they're associated with. The Observer Food Monthly runs a regular column where they phone up different restaurants, trying to blag a table by claiming to 'represent' different celebs. Some restaurants will bend over backwards for anyone, some won't budge for anyone, and some are choosy, depending on who the celeb is.

Maybe Hermes weren't impressed by a mere talk show host. Would they have let Jerry Springer in? We'll never know. :)

Josh
Jun 24th, 2005, 10:26 AM
Someone asked about surveillance cameras taping the incident, well apparently they have according to a spokeswoman for the store :

"The New York Post, in its Monday Page Six gossip column, reported she was turned away because the store had been "having a problem with North Africans lately."

In comments to CNN, an Hermes spokeswoman categorically denied that allegation.

"There was never any discussion of North Africans," she said. "The story is not true."

The spokeswoman said Winfrey came to the store 15 minutes after closing and a security guard informed her the store was closed and gave her a card, telling her she could come back the next day.

Surveillance videotape of the encounter supports the store's account, according to the spokeswoman.

She said the CEO of Hermes has called Winfrey's people to explain "the situation" and invited her to come back to shop in the store."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/22/oprah.apology/index.html

-Ph51-
Jun 24th, 2005, 10:28 AM
What i would like to know is if it was the first time ever she visited Hermes or not!
I don't think so :angel:

-Ph51-
Jun 24th, 2005, 10:45 AM
Hermes and others do not welcome celebrities in shops but in private rooms!
With models and drinks! Therefore appointments are made, as they have more than one a day ;) Oprahs crew should know that, no?
Couldn't it be there was another hidden reason for that show? :)

Veritas
Jun 24th, 2005, 10:47 AM
I don't see why. They're entitled to pick and choose which 'celebrities' they're associated with. The Observer Food Monthly runs a regular column where they phone up different restaurants, trying to blag a table by claiming to 'represent' different celebs. Some restaurants will bend over backwards for anyone, some won't budge for anyone, and some are choosy, depending on who the celeb is.

Maybe Hermes weren't impressed by a mere talk show host. Would they have let Jerry Springer in? We'll never know. :)

OK, let's say that the staff did turn Oprah away because she was somehow related to this "African" problem that they're trying to blow up in the news:

What I think others are trying to point out in this case is that no matter how high a social position a non-white person will climb up to, he/she will always have someone Caucasian to answer to. No matter if they're living in the ghettos or a posh white mansion, it's their skin colour that stands out - not their success. That's why people here are kicking up a fuss - they're not saying that its right for a celebrity to be diva-ish and demand things that "normal" people wouldn't get. It's just that chances are, people who are white and in the same class as Oprah (i.e. big-name cash magnets) most probably wouldn't have been turned away had they been in her position.

Of course, I'm no fan of Oprah, so I'll shut-up now and let this issue slid right past me *whoosh* :)

pcrtennis
Jun 24th, 2005, 12:36 PM
More evidence of racism in France, it seems to be acceptable there...

carot
Jun 24th, 2005, 12:45 PM
Couldn't it be there was another hidden reason for that show? :)

Maybe they'll start airing her show in france soon and she wants some free 'publicity' ;)

The Crow
Jun 24th, 2005, 01:41 PM
More evidence of racism in France, it seems to be acceptable there...

As acceptable as it is in America :rolleyes:

Helen Lawson
Jun 24th, 2005, 01:44 PM
Stores would close down for me in the 1950's and into the early 1960's, but I have to just wear dark glasses and a scarf these days if I want to shop without being mobbed, just like any other "normal" celebrity.

Lord Nelson
Jun 24th, 2005, 01:53 PM
Hate to say this but Oprah is hardly known outside of the U.S. I myself have never seen her shows (though that was also the case when I was a student in the U.S.). Besides that she does not look like an Arab so how can Hermes mistake her for an Arab or North African as she likes to call them. Perhaps Oprah was offended because she was not given VIP treatmebt and so could be a ego thing. In any case I would like to hear Hermes's version before I jump to conclusions.

"Sluggy"
Jun 24th, 2005, 01:57 PM
So in essense French businesses are there to what...? Give shit away for free? Tell me Bunker, what business philosophy do French companies operate under, cuz I am truly curious now?

Well france is a socialist country. that is their philosophy. The french love to eat nice foods, and sip champagne. Most people can afford to do this and there is a very supportive welfare system so people generally work much less than americans. We work a 35 hour week and when the day is over, we jet. Now ive been turned away from plenty of restaurants, even though the food is already ready and it would take just a couple of seconds, because it was closing time. NOT me, not a celebrity, not the millionaire bosses i have could get these people moving if it is closing hours, or if they person just doesnt want to. Bunker is not for sale either. If you offered me 100,000K now to say the opposite, i would tell you that Bunkers opinions are NO LONGER for sale.


And your friends speak for all the people of France?! :eek: You've got powerful friends bunker. Incidentally, the story I heard on the radio quoted the store workers as saying, "We've had problems with North Americans." But if you say it was 'North Africans', then by golly it must be 'North Africans'.
You make this statement, but we're the fools?! :lol:

No, i speak for me. I was only describing French values, French business practices, and the common general rule of inflexibility in France. France doesnt make exceptions for people based on their wealth. I didnt say i have powerful friends. But French people mix quite a bit, at least in my commune, with people of other social and economic classes. Yes, i know people with lots and lots of money, but i wouldnt say i have powerful friends.

OH my bad, I read that it said we've had problems with North Africans. In france the largest groups outside of native caucasian french people, are north African (mostly muslims). They are by and large a margianalized people. it is unfair, they have less access to good jobs and housing. There are frequent violent attacks by gangs of arab youths in france and it is a majour, and talked-about openly problem. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding.

"Sluggy"
Jun 24th, 2005, 02:04 PM
What I think others are trying to point out in this case is that no matter how high a social position a non-white person will climb up to, he/she will always have someone Caucasian to answer to.

What a sad and disgusting outlook. I am really sorry that you and possibly other people of colour feel that way. Personally, the two people that I admire the most, the two people who I consider TOP DOG in this world and would be most embarassed by being ashamed in front are:

the head of the UN, Kofi Anan (spelling); and
Michael Jordan.

Why would you feel disempowered by having to "answer to", say... Bill Clinton, Madonna etc. If the person is not prejudiced and is a kind and respectful person, why would you mind answering to them. I certainly would have no objection answering to Mr Jodan, Mr Anan or Martin Luther King or someone else who was practically universally respected. thats the silliest thing i ever heard. :) :rolleyes:

Lord Nelson
Jun 24th, 2005, 02:27 PM
Mushimato does not seem to know much of the outside world. She does not seem to realize that racism exists everywhere including in her homecountry, Japan. Racism is also in my coutry India etc.. Oprah I have never seen her shows. If I was a Hremes employee and decide not to include her during closing hours does that make me a racist? VIP's are given extra treatment because this helps sells. But authorities don't know who Oprah is. On Canal + the other day, they were telling a story about Oprah and had to say who she was.

apoet29
Jun 24th, 2005, 02:30 PM
I really wonder if a lot of this comes down to perception. When a person is a member of a minority group and has experienced prejudice, their automatic reaction to any perceived slight is one of crying racism. But is that always the case? Reading human reactions, even for the most intelligent of people, is not easy and often misinterpreted. Perhaps the store was closed and preparing for an event and Winfrey misinterpreted what she saw in the store. That is possible. It is also possible that she did experience prejudice; however, since she and the store have two different stories, which one are you going to believe: Oprah or Hermes? Just because Oprah is a famous celebrity doesn't mean that she is right and just because Hermes is legendary store doesn't mean that their clerks aren't racist. Yet, I think this incident is taking on its own lifeforce and we could sit here and argue the merits of racism in France all day long and get nowhere because we are ruled by our own perceptions. Those who have experienced racism will believe Winfrey's story. Those who are unimpressed with celebrity will believe the store. For me, this incident highlights how much our perceptions color how we react to situations like this.

If Oprah was mistreated, I am truly sorry for that. She is a wonderful lady who has done so much for others and continues to be a great role model for women everywhere. Yet if it didn't happen then I don't think a store should be slammed because it didn't want to accomodate a celebrity. I think we are a society too quick to believe celebrities and feel that they should receive preferential treatment because they are in the spotlight. Besides if this happened to an ordinary person, would we even care?

"Sluggy"
Jun 24th, 2005, 02:48 PM
What if the security guard had been dark-skinned (from Africa) and had said "we've had recent problems with North Africans". Would that be racism.

But as a matter of fact, we have had tremendous rise in violence from North African gangs of arabs. a group of young men sent my boss and her husband to the hospital. I have heard and witnessed too many incidents to name. So as a statement of fact, France IS having many incidents with North Africans. Its only Slander if it is not true.

spokenword73
Jun 24th, 2005, 03:11 PM
What if the security guard had been dark-skinned (from Africa) and had said "we've had recent problems with North Africans". Would that be racism.

But as a matter of fact, we have had tremendous rise in violence from North African gangs of arabs. a group of young men sent my boss and her husband to the hospital. I have heard and witnessed too many incidents to name. So as a statement of fact, France IS having many incidents with North Africans. Its only Slander if it is not true.

If all this is true, why did the head of Hermes apologise? He could have said, "Oprah, we don't open our doors after closing for anyone. Not you, not Bush not Britany, no one. That's just the way it is."

Instead, he knew his store employees had f---ed up and that Hermes looks silly and racist internationally. He jumped into full damage control mode, telling Oprah she could "shop there anytime." As if.:o

mand
Jun 24th, 2005, 03:30 PM
oprah is unknown in france.

Rocketta
Jun 24th, 2005, 03:32 PM
oprah is unknown in france.

still trying to figure out why this matters whether she's known in France or not? So it's ok to turn away a celeb if they are not recognized? This is of course if Oprah's people called the store which of course I believe they did since this wouldn't be the first time Oprah's shopped before her being a billionaire and over the age of 50.

"Sluggy"
Jun 24th, 2005, 03:52 PM
If all this is true, why did the head of Hermes apologise? He could have said, "Oprah, we don't open our doors after closing for anyone. Not you, not Bush not Britany, no one. That's just the way it is."

Instead, he knew his store employees had f---ed up and that Hermes looks silly and racist internationally. He jumped into full damage control mode, telling Oprah she could "shop there anytime." As if.:o

By your logical all attempts at diplomacy, and a general apology to alleviate any "misunderstanding" is an admission of guilt. In other words, if you dont go on the offensive, you are guilty? So what if Hermes went on the aggressive and said something, Oprah is wrong, nobody made a racist statement and we resent that. or what if they were even more aggressive. that would be even worse publicity. We musnt try to understand the behaviour of people in other Countries through an American lense.

Helen Lawson
Jun 24th, 2005, 03:54 PM
Why has this turned into such a weird thread? I think people who have actually been to France are the only ones who should be posting. Parisians are lovely and nice, as is their city, but they don't go out of their way to do anyone a favor no matter who you are. BFD.

spokenword73
Jun 24th, 2005, 04:14 PM
By your logical all attempts at diplomacy, and a general apology to alleviate any "misunderstanding" is an admission of guilt. In other words, if you dont go on the offensive, you are guilty? So what if Hermes went on the aggressive and said something, Oprah is wrong, nobody made a racist statement and we resent that. or what if they were even more aggressive. that would be even worse publicity. We musnt try to understand the behaviour of people in other Countries through an American lense.

True, we can't all see the world through American eyes, but some issues go beyond borders like, making money and looking out for your own best interests. Please don't tell me Hermes is not interested in making money. Clearly they are.

Yes, I do think it was an admission of guilt. Particularly since he said Oprah could "shop anytime" at the store. He was trying to make amends because he knew how this incident would be perceived-in a bad light.

After Oprah gets through dissecting this issue on her show, the Hermes name will be (in the US) the same as saying "racist" or "stupid". That's the kind of power she has. And for those who claim not to know who Oprah is, they will soon find out.

Helen Lawson
Jun 24th, 2005, 04:18 PM
True, we can't all see the world through American eyes, but some issues go beyond borders like, making money and looking out for your own best interests. Please don't tell me Hermes is not interested in making money. Clearly they are.

Yes, I do think it was an admission of guilt. Particularly since he said Oprah could "shop anytime" at the store. He was trying to make amends because he knew how this incident would be perceived-in a bad light.

After Oprah gets through dissecting this issue on her show, the Hermes name will be (in the US) the same as saying "racist" or "stupid". That's the kind of power she has. And for those who claim not to know who Oprah is, they will soon find out.


The vast majority of Americans can't afford to shop at Hermes, so I don't see Hermes being affected by this incident.

"Sluggy"
Jun 24th, 2005, 04:28 PM
After Oprah gets through dissecting this issue on her show, the Hermes name will be (in the US) the same as saying "racist" or "stupid". That's the kind of power she has. And for those who claim not to know who Oprah is, they will soon find out.

So now Oprah is a poltician. She levels sanctions against other countries' Businesses. Does Oprah take swipes at American businesses, specific companies? one would think that she'd think twice. Seems to me that she is playing the "France is an evil racist country, DIVEST!", card.

spokenword73
Jun 24th, 2005, 04:36 PM
So now Oprah is a poltician. She levels sanctions against other countries' Businesses. Does Oprah take swipes at American businesses, specific companies? one would think that she'd think twice. Seems to me that she is playing the "France is an evil racist country, DIVEST!", card.

More than "take swipes", at particular companies, Oprah comes from a positive point of view: she endorses certain companies, products, causes and books, and the sales and awareness go through the roof-nationally, internationally, you name it.

She has millions upon millions of fans...when she speaks people take note.

I don't know for sure, but I think when she does address this most unfortunate incident on her show, she will probably talk about her whole trip to France (which was probably quite enjoyable) and single out HERMES as an case where no matter how famous you are, some people will still take out their prejuidices towards you because of your color. :confused:

ginger_fish668
Jun 24th, 2005, 04:38 PM
I agree with Helen, this thread has turned very weird. :wavey:

"Sluggy"
Jun 24th, 2005, 04:43 PM
More than "take swipes", at particular companies, Oprah comes from a positive point of view: she endorses certain companies, products, causes and books, and the sales and awareness go through the roof-nationally, internationally, you name it.

She has millions upon millions of fans...when she speaks people take note.

I don't know for sure, but I think when she does address this most unfortunate incident on her show, she will probably talk about her whole trip to France (which was probably quite enjoyable) and single out HERMES as an case where no matter how famous you are, some people will still take out their prejuidices towards you because of your color. :confused:

Does she target american companies that she feel are racist with the same venom? Or is she singling out France. If she is singling out France companies, then WHY? :wavey:

apoet29
Jun 24th, 2005, 04:51 PM
True, we can't all see the world through American eyes, but some issues go beyond borders like, making money and looking out for your own best interests. Please don't tell me Hermes is not interested in making money. Clearly they are.

Yes, I do think it was an admission of guilt. Particularly since he said Oprah could "shop anytime" at the store. He was trying to make amends because he knew how this incident would be perceived-in a bad light.

After Oprah gets through dissecting this issue on her show, the Hermes name will be (in the US) the same as saying "racist" or "stupid". That's the kind of power she has. And for those who claim not to know who Oprah is, they will soon find out.

Of course, Hermes is interested in making money. I don't get the impression that anyone here is saying they don't, but the accusations that Oprah will single-handedly destroy Hermes sales are asinine. Do you really believe that women watching Oprah will not buy Hermes bags because she tells them too? There will be a few who won't, but majority won't pay attention to it. As for the idea that people in the US will associate Hermes with racism or stupidity is also silly. In the end, people are not provoked by celebrities even ones that are as high profile as Oprah.

harloo
Jun 24th, 2005, 04:52 PM
Yep, France sticks to the rules. We have labour laws here and if President Chirac, President Bush & the Dalai Llama wanted to keep salespeople late, in violation of labour laws, they would tell them to put a cork in it. France is not ruled by the dollar, they dont sell their souls like people is some places do. The behaviour that the french salesperson is accused of is just unheard of, it doesnt happen. :lol:

Sorry Bunker, I did not know you:

1. Knew everyone in France
2. Was appointed the spokesperson for the whole country
3. Knew everything that wen't on concerning celebrity treatment

You must be very gifted to have such insight. :tape: :lol:

Rocketta
Jun 24th, 2005, 05:00 PM
Does she target american companies that she feel are racist with the same venom? Or is she singling out France. If she is singling out France companies, then WHY? :wavey:

she can only talk about things she knows from experience, if she feels that Hermes profiled her then she should talk about it on her show.

That would not be singling out anyone......see ex. of Hermes if you want to know what singling out someone is. :)

It's beyond me why you think Oprah shouldn't talk about France or Hermes negatively if that's what she perceives from personal experience.

I've yet seen anyone who actually knows of Oprah, ie watch her show, know her life history, etc.., give a valid reason why should would all of a sudden make up a story about a business and accuse them of racism. She's talked about being discriminated before but she's never singled out anyone.

When Jonathan Frazan (or however it's spelt) made a nasty snide comment about having Oprah's book club label on his book. Did she take pot shots at him, talk about him like a dog, point out how by naming his book she ensured that he made more money on the book that he could've ever imagined?? No, she left her selection..she just announced there would be no author dinner, that she wasn't here to make anyone be a part of the book club. She moved on. That's how she handles unfortunate situations.

spokenword73
Jun 24th, 2005, 06:18 PM
Of course, Hermes is interested in making money. I don't get the impression that anyone here is saying they don't, but the accusations that Oprah will single-handedly destroy Hermes sales are asinine. Do you really believe that women watching Oprah will not buy Hermes bags because she tells them too? There will be a few who won't, but majority won't pay attention to it. As for the idea that people in the US will associate Hermes with racism or stupidity is also silly. In the end, people are not provoked by celebrities even ones that are as high profile as Oprah.

yes, I do believe people who watch Oprah will choose her word over Hermes and not shop there Celebrities, like it or not do influence people. Why do you think there are so many "celebrity" spokespeople for anything from tennis shoes to T-Mobile? When celebrities talk people pay attention. It's pretty obvious, why deny it? :confused:

ginger_fish668
Jun 24th, 2005, 06:23 PM
yes, I do believe people who watch Oprah will choose her word over Hermes and not shop there Celebrities, like it or not do influence people. Why do you think there are so many "celebrity" spokespeople for anything from tennis shoes to T-Mobile? When celebrities talk people pay attention. It's pretty obvious, why deny it? :confused:


As Helen mentioned above, most people can't afford Hermes. I don't think it'll make much of a difference.

decemberlove
Jun 24th, 2005, 06:26 PM
yes, I do believe people who watch Oprah will choose her word over Hermes and not shop there Celebrities, like it or not do influence people. Why do you think there are so many "celebrity" spokespeople for anything from tennis shoes to T-Mobile? When celebrities talk people pay attention. It's pretty obvious, why deny it? :confused:


I'm willing to bet that most of the women that watch Oprah can't even afford a Hermes scarf, let alone a purse. A cashmere & silk shawl is $850. :o A beach bag: $550. Hermes is not a middle class company, not even upper middle class.

spokenword73
Jun 24th, 2005, 06:32 PM
I'm willing to bet that most of the women that watch Oprah can't even afford a Hermes scarf, let alone a purse. A cashmere & silk shawl is $850. :o A beach bag: $550. Hermes is not a middle class company, not even upper middle class.

Oprah's audience I would say is upper class.
And many of the people Oprah calls friends are, of course, millionaires.
What she says will matter in terms of public relations and company image.
I repeat, that is why the head of Hermes was so quick to apologize. He
is a businessman and recognizes Oprah's power. If he thought it would make no difference, he would have remained quiet and let the negative fallout happen.;)

Tratree
Jun 24th, 2005, 07:25 PM
I'm sorry, but with all the tragedies and injustices in the world going on as we speak I just can't muster up a whole lot of sympathy because Oprah couldn't shop after hours for $5,000 bags one night...whether it was racism or not. Boo-effing-hoo. How ever will she go on?

Helen Lawson
Jun 24th, 2005, 07:35 PM
:o I have an awful confession. I hadn't been to Hermes in several years and this thread intrigued me, so I got on-line, and I just bought this ashtray. It was $450! :o


http://www.hermes.com/commun/produits/ashtrays/int/plat/300688m01.jpg

Helen Lawson
Jun 24th, 2005, 07:47 PM
I can't stop shopping, I'd forgotten how wonderful this store is. Wait until they see me at the gym next week.....with my $450 BEACH TOWEL!! I love the print, don't you?

http://www.hermes.com/commun/produits/beach/int/plat/101000m12.jpg

Helen Lawson
Jun 24th, 2005, 07:50 PM
Their enamel bracelets are tacky. Stick to Tiffany's or Harry Winston.

Helen Lawson
Jun 24th, 2005, 07:54 PM
Ok, I swear, this is it, I got 3 sets of these two cup and saucer combos for the next time Anne Welles comes over. I love those little parrots!!! It was $390 per set of 2, so now I'm out $1170! Money well spent if you ask me. Except for those tacky bracelets, this store rocks!

http://www.hermes.com/commun/produits/cups/int/plat/000315p00.jpg

Joan Rivers
Jun 24th, 2005, 08:09 PM
:o I have an awful confession. I hadn't been to Hermes in several years and this thread intrigued me, so I got on-line, and I just bought this ashtray. It was $450! :o


http://www.hermes.com/commun/produits/ashtrays/int/plat/300688m01.jpg
Hel, if you're getting card happy online, get over to my QVC line and order some. Make a night of it!

I sympathise with Oprah though. I was turned away from Saks for being Jewish. They claimed they turned me away because they thought I was a bitch but we all know it was because I am Jewish.

Helen Lawson
Jun 24th, 2005, 08:15 PM
Hel, if you're getting card happy online, get over to my QVC line and order some. Make a night of it!

I sympathise with Oprah though. I was turned away from Saks for being Jewish. They claimed they turned me away because they thought I was a bitch but we all know it was because I am Jewish.

Hon, I only get a shopping high if I'm paying obscene amounts of dough. I mean, I just dropped like $2300 for 6 cups and saucers, a beach towel, and an ashtray! On QVC, for $2300, I think I could get one of all of your whole jewelry collection!

Helen Lawson
Jun 24th, 2005, 08:23 PM
Joan, you made me go back one more time! I picked up this cool carafe and tumbler set. People on my upcoming movie shoot will be so scared to touch this or go near it ($395!!) that I can just put my vodka in it and not worry about "covering up" by having to mix some orange juice with the vodka, and telling them I'm fighting the onset of a cold, as is my usual line when I'm boozing during the making of a movie. Did I tell you, my rendition of Terri Shiavo's mother, her mother has a little bit of a slur and confused look. I mean, her daughter's starving to death, who wouldn't be a little confused and slurring a little, right? Lifetime execs bought it.

http://www.hermes.com/commun/produits/carafes/int/plat/500711m02.jpg

SelesFan70
Jun 24th, 2005, 08:28 PM
I wonder if Oprah was going to buy something for Gayle or for Stedman... :tape:

Giuliano
Jun 24th, 2005, 09:02 PM
A French paper (Libération) says she wanted to buy a watch for her friend Tina Turner. To each his own problem, I guess... some can't eat, she apparently can't buy a watch at Hermes.

And I know of her because I have American friends and an access to the Internet, but I can assure that she's totally unknown in France. I know she's a show hostess, but that's about it. I don't know on which channel her show is, when it is aired, or what exactly her show is about.

Helen Lawson
Jun 24th, 2005, 09:13 PM
Well, I'm still a big deal in France thanks to my Cannes Film Festival win back in '56! They see me, "Ah, Madame Lawson, 'Je Veux Habiter!'" And they also say, "Vous êtes la meilleure actrice de tout le monde!" And if it's a guy, he says, "Vous êtes la femme la plus belle que je jamais ai vu!"

But no matter how much the French adore me, Hermes doesn't stay open late for me.

RVD
Jun 24th, 2005, 10:13 PM
Well france is a socialist country. that is their philosophy. The french love to eat nice foods, and sip champagne. Most people can afford to do this and there is a very supportive welfare system so people generally work much less than americans. We work a 35 hour week and when the day is over, we jet. Now ive been turned away from plenty of restaurants, even though the food is already ready and it would take just a couple of seconds, because it was closing time. NOT me, not a celebrity, not the millionaire bosses i have could get these people moving if it is closing hours, or if they person just doesnt want to. Bunker is not for sale either. If you offered me 100,000K now to say the opposite, i would tell you that Bunkers opinions are NO LONGER for sale.




No, i speak for me. I was only describing French values, French business practices, and the common general rule of inflexibility in France. France doesnt make exceptions for people based on their wealth. I didnt say i have powerful friends. But French people mix quite a bit, at least in my commune, with people of other social and economic classes. Yes, i know people with lots and lots of money, but i wouldnt say i have powerful friends.

OH my bad, I read that it said we've had problems with North Africans. In france the largest groups outside of native caucasian french people, are north African (mostly muslims). They are by and large a margianalized people. it is unfair, they have less access to good jobs and housing. There are frequent violent attacks by gangs of arab youths in france and it is a majour, and talked-about openly problem. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding.Thanks for the explanation Bunker. I understand a bit more now how the French think, if what you tell me is accurate.

However, I must still insist that all companies, no matter how people perceive them, are in the business of making money. They HAVE to be to operate. Let me put it this way...
Hermes is a very well known company that caters to high-end buyers, correct? So in essense, most of the people who shop there are very affluent or well-off. Now since most ordinary folks can't and don't shop there, Hermes must rely on the return business of these very wealthy people, and also by word-of-mouth-advertising. This form of advertising is only as good as the people who shop there make it out to be. So in essence, Hermes could very likely lose sells from Americans (who spend a lot of money, because as everyone knows, we are extremely capitalistic and vain ;) ) mainly because of how Oprah was treated.

For the sake of argument, let's assume for a second that the reason Oprah was turned away had nothing to do with racism, but rather that Hermes placed itself above the stature of a returning multi-billionaire frequent purchaser. What message does that send to it's customer base? And knowing Oprah, and being the communications specialist talk show host that she is, she can make this an issue that can hurt Hermes for a long long time. She can affect Hermes' bottom line.

For people saying that Oprah is not known in France, begs one question in my mind—
This woman has done some absolutely incredible things in her lifetime. She's been on the covers and in articles of dozens of magazines throughout the world. She's an actor, talk show host, philanthropist, owner of a production company, is in Forbes Magazine as one of the richest self-made billionaires in America. How is it that the French can live in a bubble in this day and age and not know who Oprah is?! But if you say it's so; posters here say it's so; and everyone here posting from France says it's so, then I believe you. I just find it incredible that France is so closed off from the rest of the world. :shrug:

Lastly, for those interpreting this as Oprah destroying Hermes, HOW DID THIS EVOLVE INTO SUCH A STATEMENT?! I can't and don't recall ANYONE making this statement. Maybe I overlooked it. But come on now. :rolleyes: Think about it a bit. As for as what I've read, Oprah has no intention of such a thing.

RVD
Jun 24th, 2005, 10:22 PM
:o I have an awful confession. I hadn't been to Hermes in several years and this thread intrigued me, so I got on-line, and I just bought this ashtray. It was $450! :o


http://www.hermes.com/commun/produits/ashtrays/int/plat/300688m01.jpgThat's a very nice ash tray Helen. It should hold those dubbies quite nicely. ;)

Lord Nelson
Jun 24th, 2005, 11:23 PM
For people saying that Oprah is not known in France, begs one question in my mind—
This woman has done some absolutely incredible things in her lifetime. She's been on the covers and in articles of dozens of magazines throughout the world. She's an actor, talk show host, philanthropist, owner of a production company, is in Forbes Magazine as one of the richest self-made billionaires in America. How is it that the French can live in a bubble in this day and age and not know who Oprah is?! But if you say it's so; posters here say it's so; and everyone here posting from France says it's so, then I believe you. I just find it incredible that France is so closed off from the rest of the world. :shrug:.
What you say is correct but that still does not mean that Oprah is well known in Europe. Ask any of your friends who does not live in the U.S. and they will tell you that. Another celebrity in the U.S. who is not well known outside the U.S. is Jay Leno. This is because the show really is tailored for Americans and English-speaking people. The Americans on the other hand don't know who Tintin is. When I was in college in the U.S. I asked my U.S. friends if they read Tintin when they were young. They had no idea what I was talking about and one of them thought that this was a character from Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs. :lol:

RVD
Jun 24th, 2005, 11:47 PM
What you say is correct but that still does not mean that Oprah is well known in Europe. Ask any of your friends who does not live in the U.S. and they will tell you that. Another celebrity in the U.S. who is not well known outside the U.S. is Jay Leno. This is because the show really is tailored for Americans and English-speaking people. The Americans on the other hand don't know who Tintin is. When I was in college in the U.S. I asked my U.S. friends if they read Tintin when they were young. They had no idea what I was talking about and one of them thought that this was a character from Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs. :lol::lol: That was good. :lol:

Still, I can understand folks not knowing who Jay Leno is. But I have a question for you.
Do you know who Oprah is? And how did you come to be introduced to her as a personality? I'm just curious.

I read a lot about European personalities, and others I see on or in magazines. Especially the ladies. ;) I am just curious as to how you know about Oprah where you're from.

spokenword73
Jun 24th, 2005, 11:56 PM
A French paper (Libération) says she wanted to buy a watch for her friend Tina Turner. To each his own problem, I guess... some can't eat, she apparently can't buy a watch at Hermes.

And I know of her because I have American friends and an access to the Internet, but I can assure that she's totally unknown in France. I know she's a show hostess, but that's about it. I don't know on which channel her show is, when it is aired, or what exactly her show is about.

If she is unheard of in France, why are they writing about her in the newspaper?

Martian Willow
Jun 25th, 2005, 12:01 AM
For people saying that Oprah is not known in France, begs one question in my mind—
This woman has done some absolutely incredible things in her lifetime. She's been on the covers and in articles of dozens of magazines throughout the world. She's an actor, talk show host, philanthropist, owner of a production company, is in Forbes Magazine as one of the richest self-made billionaires in America. How is it that the French can live in a bubble in this day and age and not know who Oprah is?! But if you say it's so; posters here say it's so; and everyone here posting from France says it's so, then I believe you. I just find it incredible that France is so closed off from the rest of the world. :shrug:

She is a talk show host whose show was popular in the mid nineties. That's all.

Also, I'm guessing you've never been served by a snooty French waiter.

RVD
Jun 25th, 2005, 12:15 AM
She is a talk show host whose show was popular in the mid nineties. That's all.

Also, I'm guessing you've never been served by a snooty French waiter.:haha: Actually I have, but it was here in the states. :lol:

Erika_Angel
Jun 25th, 2005, 02:53 AM
If she is unheard of in France, why are they writing about her in the newspaper?

I looked up "Oprah" on the news searches for both french and American news items. For the US I found in excess of 40 reports, but for the french 3 reports, so really it isn't in the paper apart from a few articles.
Like alot of people have said she ain't that big in France.

Veritas
Jun 25th, 2005, 03:36 AM
What a sad and disgusting outlook. I am really sorry that you and possibly other people of colour feel that way. Personally, the two people that I admire the most, the two people who I consider TOP DOG in this world and would be most embarassed by being ashamed in front are:

the head of the UN, Kofi Anan (spelling); and
Michael Jordan.

Why would you feel disempowered by having to "answer to", say... Bill Clinton, Madonna etc. If the person is not prejudiced and is a kind and respectful person, why would you mind answering to them. I certainly would have no objection answering to Mr Jodan, Mr Anan or Martin Luther King or someone else who was practically universally respected. thats the silliest thing i ever heard. :) :rolleyes:

Didn't I just say this:

What I think others are trying to say

:retard:

~ The Leopard ~
Jun 25th, 2005, 03:47 AM
What you say is correct but that still does not mean that Oprah is well known in Europe. Ask any of your friends who does not live in the U.S. and they will tell you that. Another celebrity in the U.S. who is not well known outside the U.S. is Jay Leno.

Who the hell is Jay Leno? :scratch:

decemberlove
Jun 25th, 2005, 04:01 AM
Who the hell is Jay Leno? :scratch:

A late night talk show host. He isn't funny.

Veritas
Jun 25th, 2005, 04:04 AM
Mushimato does not seem to know much of the outside world. She does not seem to realize that racism exists everywhere including in her homecountry, Japan. Racism is also in my coutry India etc.. Oprah I have never seen her shows. If I was a Hremes employee and decide not to include her during closing hours does that make me a racist? VIP's are given extra treatment because this helps sells. But authorities don't know who Oprah is. On Canal + the other day, they were telling a story about Oprah and had to say who she was.

Japan isn't my home country. And I'm a he.

And what's your point? I know that racism exists everywhere.

~ The Leopard ~
Jun 25th, 2005, 04:12 AM
A late night talk show host. He isn't funny.

Okay, sort of an American version of Bert Newton or perhaps Eddie McGuire? Hmmmm, I bet no one outside Australia has heard of either of them. :p

Actually, I've heard the name "Jay Leno", but it could have been the name of a baseball player or something for all I knew. :D

decemberlove
Jun 25th, 2005, 04:13 AM
I just find it incredible that France is so closed off from the rest of the world. :shrug:

:lol:

Oh, that has to be the funniest thing I've seen on here in a while.

Oprah is a great woman, but she is certainly not to be used as a means of measurement to find out how aware a country is of what's going on in the world.

I can imagine the French thinking the same about Americans regarding our ignorance of just about everything except the latest celebrity gossip.

decemberlove
Jun 25th, 2005, 04:20 AM
Okay, sort of an American version of Bert Newton or perhaps Eddie McGuire? Hmmmm, I bet no one outside Australia has heard of either of them. :p

Actually, I've heard the name "Jay Leno", but it could have been the name of a baseball player or something for all I knew. :D

No idea who those people are.

Leno owns 653896859 cars, isn't funny, and has a HUGE chin. That's all that needs to be said about him.

Rub
Jun 25th, 2005, 05:07 AM
poor

Rub
Jun 25th, 2005, 05:08 AM
poor store...

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jun 25th, 2005, 06:27 AM
I honestly don't think Oprah would make a big deal out of this if it wasn't.

Madhuri
Jun 25th, 2005, 12:40 PM
Oprah hasn't made a big deal out of anything. She has not spoken or commented on the issue.

azza
Jun 25th, 2005, 12:42 PM
Well it was after closing i mean why should they let her in she isnt bloddy special whats the big deal :rolleyes::confused:

apoet29
Jun 25th, 2005, 05:58 PM
yes, I do believe people who watch Oprah will choose her word over Hermes and not shop there Celebrities, like it or not do influence people. Why do you think there are so many "celebrity" spokespeople for anything from tennis shoes to T-Mobile? When celebrities talk people pay attention. It's pretty obvious, why deny it? :confused:

People may pay attention when a celebrity endorses a product, but it doesn't mean that they will buy it or even have the money to do so. None of Oprah's fan base can afford that kind of store and while they may feel sorry for her, none of them will really care. I mean there are more important things in the world than Oprah not being able to buy a $50,000 handbag. Sorry, but it is true.

volta
Jun 25th, 2005, 06:04 PM
in BET forums they say that she deserves it cuz she is a "outsold" black woman. wtf is that? -_-

ginger_fish668
Jun 25th, 2005, 06:06 PM
I can't believe we're still having this discussion. :lol:
This is considered 'old news' in celebrity world. Move on..... :)

harloo
Jun 25th, 2005, 06:06 PM
in BET forums they say that she deserves it cuz she is a "outsold" black woman. wtf is that? -_-

bet forums? what do you expect? :tape: :lol:

SpikeyAidanm
Jun 25th, 2005, 06:09 PM
So I guess Monfils wouldn't be allowed in too :o

Mateo Mathieu
Jun 25th, 2005, 06:16 PM
I don't allow her to get in the store too unless if she arranged with its schedule, that's fine with me. I don't give a crap about Oprah or whoever it is... Oprah is part of human being like me and you. Fuck that word 'celebrity'.

spokenword73
Jun 25th, 2005, 07:54 PM
People may pay attention when a celebrity endorses a product, but it doesn't mean that they will buy it or even have the money to do so. None of Oprah's fan base can afford that kind of store and while they may feel sorry for her, none of them will really care. I mean there are more important things in the world than Oprah not being able to buy a $50,000 handbag. Sorry, but it is true.

People do buy when a celebrity endorses products. It's a proven fact. That's why they are hired. How many kids wanted to "be like Mike"? Nike sold millions upon millions of tennis shoes. Famous people are the best salespeople for most products today.

You obviously are no fan of Oprah. I can tell you the millions of people who are diehards, hang on her every word and follow her lead. That's why she is so popular (and rich)...been on TV over twenty years, etc...she's a one of a kind powerhouse and America's sweetheart.

Why do people keep saying her "fan base" can't afford to shop at Hermes? Many of Oprah's "fans" include mega-wealthy movie stars, musicians, athletes, who may be less willing to patronize an odd place like Hermes. Not everyone who loves Oprah is working class.

Of course there are more important things in this world than Oprah being turned away from a so-called high end store. It is just another reminder that no matter how rich and how famous you are there will always be haters trying to bring you down:o

Steam
Jun 25th, 2005, 08:07 PM
The first thing that I thought of when I heard this story is how the sheep are going to react to it.

I'm sure she means well and all but I just can not stand this woman. She comes off as extremely fake. The worst was when she had Omarosa and Ereka from The Apprentice on and let Omarosa on stage to spew more of her obviously made up racist garbage while Ereka had to sit in the crowd. Complete bullshit.

And of course, she also exposed us to Dr. Phil. Fuck, I wouldn't allow her anyone near my store for that sin alone.

harloo
Jun 25th, 2005, 08:39 PM
The first thing that I thought of when I heard this story is how the sheep are going to react to it.

I'm sure she means well and all but I just can not stand this woman. She comes off as extremely fake. The worst was when she had Omarosa and Ereka from The Apprentice on and let Omarosa on stage to spew more of her obviously made up racist garbage while Ereka had to sit in the crowd. Complete bullshit.

And of course, she also exposed us to Dr. Phil. Fuck, I wouldn't allow her anyone near my store for that sin alone.

If you think she is fake why are you watching her show?:tape: :lol:

Thought so!:haha: :haha: STEAM=:tape: OWNED:lol:

Steam
Jun 25th, 2005, 10:32 PM
If you think she is fake why are you watching her show?:tape: :lol:

Thought so!:haha: :haha: STEAM=:tape: OWNED:lol:

Uh, what? I wasn't watching the show. I saw clips on tv and read recaps of the show on message boards. It was a pretty big reality tv news story at the time.

I can't remember the last time I had Oprah on my tv for more than two minutes. The reason being is cause it never happened.

Better luck next time.

harloo
Jun 25th, 2005, 10:44 PM
Uh, what? I wasn't watching the show. I saw clips on tv and read recaps of the show on message boards. It was a pretty big reality tv news story at the time.

I can't remember the last time I had Oprah on my tv for more than two minutes. The reason being is cause it never happened.

Better luck next time.

Okay, I guess I will just have to take your word for it. :tape::hehehe: :lol:

Justeenium
Jun 26th, 2005, 12:50 AM
Is there a competition between Williams fans to see who can pull out the most race cards? And who's winning? Crocketta or harloo?

OUT!
Jun 26th, 2005, 01:26 AM
I am just curious as to how you know about Oprah where you're from.
Well the show used to be screened in the UK, but was taken off the air for many years. The show then re-appeared satellite tv but ratings dipped sharply when Dr Phil sabotaged the show. All that preaching didn't go down that well in a secular country like the UK.

Rocketta
Jun 26th, 2005, 01:36 AM
Is there a competition between Williams fans to see who can pull out the most race cards? And who's winning? Crocketta or harloo?

ouch!! a internet nobody tried to insult me....I'm going to run crying to my mommy! :yawn:

oh and don't ever let the facts get in your way........oh wait you don't. :tape:

CJ07
Jun 26th, 2005, 03:14 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

whew. ok, i have to comment. i wasn't, but I must.

IF PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT RACISM IS ALIVE AND WELL THAN YOU ARE RETARDED.

Fuck even I know that. lol

Daniel
Jun 26th, 2005, 07:30 AM
Oprah Rules :rocker: :banana: :D

deja_entendu
Jun 26th, 2005, 07:54 AM
To those who attacked me in this thread about my dislike for Oprah: I'm sorry I'm not a fat 45 year old soccer mom who loves daytime TV like the rest of you.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 26th, 2005, 08:12 AM
If it makes you feel better to think that my (and other's) admiration of Oprah stems from being a "fat 45 year old soccer mom who loves daytime TV" and not from the admiration of a strong woman who has overcome incredible adversity to be a fantastic success... well, that's okay.

I knew there was a reason I didn't delete this...

ClaudiaZ-S
Jun 26th, 2005, 10:09 PM
Oprah could do her shop at 4.30pm!

"Sluggy"
Jun 27th, 2005, 11:09 AM
Sorry Bunker, I did not know you:

1. Knew everyone in France
2. Was appointed the spokesperson for the whole country
3. Knew everything that wen't on concerning celebrity treatment

You must be very gifted to have such insight. :tape: :lol:

1. I dont know everone in france,
2. never claimed here, or in any other post, to be a spokesman for everyone [Anyone who knows me knows my disclaimer, if you dont know where you are going, dont follow me. I am an individual and things you see or hear, should not be repeated at home
3. I have no interest in celebirty treatment. True i do get a bit childish with tennis players, but i have no interest in famous people.

You however, are very sarcastic, so take me out of your sights :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

"Sluggy"
Jun 27th, 2005, 11:15 AM
A French paper (Libération) says she wanted to buy a watch for her friend Tina Turner. To each his own problem, I guess... some can't eat, she apparently can't buy a watch at Hermes.

And I know of her because I have American friends and an access to the Internet, but I can assure that she's totally unknown in France. I know she's a show hostess, but that's about it. I don't know on which channel her show is, when it is aired, or what exactly her show is about.


Are you the official spokesman for France :lol: No seriously, you are right, Oprah is about as well known as Pewee Herman in France. :eek:

"Sluggy"
Jun 27th, 2005, 11:32 AM
Thanks for the explanation Bunker. I understand a bit more now how the French think, if what you tell me is accurate.

Thanks man, that is very nice of you. I think you can take my word for it. Many things i found shocking and still do find shocking in france. But that is just the way it is. France should commercialize much more, and they lose tons of US dollars because waiters and other people are impolite and do not cater to customers. remember we have a no-tipping policy, so people in the tourist industry have little incentive to provide good quality service.


So in essence, Hermes could very likely lose sells from Americans (who spend a lot of money, because as everyone knows, we are extremely capitalistic and vain ;) ) mainly because of how Oprah was treated.

Well Yes. Hermes could stand to lose lots of money from this, whether she was treated with respect and dignity or not. She has already harmed their reputation and yes, surely some people will opt for Cartier bags and stuff, instead of Hermes. Oprah has already struck a harming blow to Hermes and possibly other French products. If people believe that Hermes is not the only "racist" company in france, maybe people will also boycoot Evian, Nivea etc. so yes, Oprah has already delt a damaging blow.. and IMO before really knowing what happened.

For the sake of argument, let's assume for a second that the reason Oprah was turned away had nothing to do with racism, but rather that Hermes placed itself above the stature of a returning multi-billionaire frequent purchaser. What message does that send to it's customer base? And knowing Oprah, and being the communications specialist talk show host that she is, she can make this an issue that can hurt Hermes for a long long time. She can affect Hermes' bottom line.

Yes, I think she can and will affect Hermes' bottom line. My question is, would she go after an American company like that. targeting one company is different than targeting an industy, like the beef industry, she took a swipe at France IMO. I must reiterate an earlier point and that is in France, people dont just wave 1000$ bills and say, keep this restaurant open for me, i am renting the place out. A french restaurant owner would say, no kind sir, we dont function like this, make a reservation and just eat like everyone else.

For people saying that Oprah is not known in France, begs one question in my mind—
This woman has done some absolutely incredible things in her lifetime. She's been on the covers and in articles of dozens of magazines throughout the world. She's an actor, talk show host, philanthropist, owner of a production company, is in Forbes Magazine as one of the richest self-made billionaires in America. How is it that the French can live in a bubble in this day and age and not know who Oprah is?! But if you say it's so; posters here say it's so; and everyone here posting from France says it's so, then I believe you. I just find it incredible that France is so closed off from the rest of the world. :shrug:

I dont know. Many people in Europe are also famous here but nobody knows who they are in the United States. You may have heard of Depardieu, the well knows french actor from Green Card. Well we have whole slews of famous people like that, who you dont know either. Oprah is not marketable in France. Her style, her subjects etc. those are all local hits. They would not generate the same interest in France. We have famous African-origin celebrities here, but Oprahs show would probably not score here.

Lastly, for those interpreting this as Oprah destroying Hermes, HOW DID THIS EVOLVE INTO SUCH A STATEMENT?! I can't and don't recall ANYONE making this statement. Maybe I overlooked it. But come on now. :rolleyes: Think about it a bit. As for as what I've read, Oprah has no intention of such a thing.

Well she and her people already went public. they've already harmed Hermes. If she didnt want to hurt them, shed have kept quiet about it. Im sure that not everytime Oprah goes to dinner, andthe food is not to her liking, she blabs about it. Certainly if my favourite tennis player was rude to me, i wouldnt tell everyone about it on WTAWORLD.COM. So obviously, by her own actions and admissions, Oprah and her group of people did not act to protect Hermes' reputation. They did not trust Hermes' behaviour or reputation, they were out to hurt Hermes. :sad:

Kiswana
Jun 27th, 2005, 11:41 AM
Would this thread have even made it to 7 pages if Oprah was white? I think not.

"Sluggy"
Jun 27th, 2005, 11:52 AM
Would this thread have even made it to 7 pages if Oprah was white? I think not.

If Oprah was white, would she have made such a stink about all of this?

Kiswana
Jun 27th, 2005, 12:00 PM
If Oprah was white, would she have made such a stink about all of this?

If Oprah was white, was as famous and rich as Celine Dion and Madonna, yes she would have "made such a stink".