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SelesFan70
Jun 20th, 2005, 02:14 PM
Canadian female sex killer to leave prison

Monday, June 20, 2005; Posted: 8:49 a.m. EDT (12:49 GMT)


JOLIETTE, Quebec (Reuters) -- Karla Homolka was a pretty, bright young woman who helped drug, rape, torture and kill schoolgirls and even presented her own teen-age sister to her boyfriend as a gift.

Homolka, 35, has fascinated and horrified Canadians since committing her crimes more than a decade ago. Canada's most notorious female convict, she is due to be released from prison within weeks, and the country's anxiety and anger is again on the rise.

Homolka videotaped the murders with her psychopathic husband and will leave a prison in Joliette, Quebec, in early July after serving a 12-year sentence for manslaughter for her part in the death of three girls and the rape of another.

Homolka and her then-husband Paul Bernardo kidnapped, sexually assaulted, tortured and killed two teen-age girls in the early 1990s in southern Ontario.

She also drugged her 15-year-old sister so Bernardo could rape her in the basement of her family home after a Christmas dinner. The girl choked on her own vomit and died.

Homolka agreed to the plea-bargain sentence for manslaughter in return for testifying against Bernardo. He is serving a life sentence for murder and will likely never be released.

Public anger over her deal with prosecutors, which came amid allegations of police bungling and just before the now infamous videotapes of their crimes were recovered by police, means Homolka will know little peace when she gets out.

There have been death threats and bets on how long she'll live. One now-defunct Web site invited visitors to predict when she would die, proclaiming that "when the game is over, we all win."

The Ontario government is going to extraordinary lengths to keep track of her movements after she gets out of prison, and there is even a Hollywood movie, "Deadly," due to be released this year, despite the efforts of the victims' families to have it banned in Ontario.

'She's that rare murdering woman'
The case of Bernardo and Homolka -- a young, attractive, suburban couple who ran a house of horrors in the quiet Ontario town of St. Catharines -- stunned Canada in the early 1990s. Their acts made them the nation's most reviled criminals.

At their trials, evidence was presented that the pair tortured schoolgirls Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy for days before finally killing them, chopping up Mahaffy's body and encasing it in cement.

Homolka and Bernardo held their lavish wedding just weeks after one torture session. That same day Mahaffy's body parts, encased in concrete, were discovered in a nearby lake.

During the years she has been in prison, rare glimpses into her life behind bars have made front page headlines though little is heard of Bernardo. Articles about Homolka tend to focus on sexual issues: a lesbian lover, lewd acts with an inmate through a fence, a picture of a topless Homolka posing coyly on a picnic blanket.

Homolka appeared in public for the first time in a decade at a court hearing in June. The once perky blonde had been replaced by an angular-featured woman with darker hair, a grim expression and down-turned mouth.

"She's that rare murdering woman; there aren't that many," said Christie Blatchford, a columnist for the Globe and Mail newspaper. "There's a prurient element to it too because of the sex assaults on the three girls."

Ontario has won exceptionally rare restrictions on Homolka, citing fears she may offend again. Psychiatrists argued her communication with a man serving a life sentence for strangling his girlfriend to death shows she is still attracted to dangerous men.

Homolka plans to change her name and appearance and live in French-speaking Quebec, far from St. Catharines where she committed her crimes. Despite her attempt at anonymity, the court restrictions need to be renewed each year, ensuring an annual spotlight.

The restrictions, which include weekly reports to police, are unusual for a convict who has served a full prison term rather than leaving early on parole, and have drawn criticism in legal circles.

"She's not to be judged now. She was judged 12 years ago and the judgment is over, as it should be," said Peter Rosenthal, a lawyer and adjunct law professor at the University of Toronto. "She should be allowed to start a new life in some quiet way and this is going to prevent that, if they pay all that attention to her."

'Artificial, articulate, manipulative'
Some Canadians remain afraid of what Homolka might do. She is regarded as a master manipulator and even the fact that she obtained a psychology degree while in prison generates fear.

"I agree 150 percent with the restrictions because she is a danger to society and madly manipulative," said Francoise Watier, a Joliette resident who said she took part in the search for Kristen French in 1992 in southern Ontario.

"She can do it again. She even got a psychology degree while she was in there, now she can even manipulate the psychologists who are supposed to evaluate her."

A prison psychiatric assessment described her as "a very artificial, articulate, manipulative person."

At her 1993 trial, Homolka presented herself as a victim, the abused wife of a sociopath who had no choice but to help Bernardo in his schemes to kidnap young sex slaves.

"This is just a continuation of a big con," said Tim Danson, a lawyer for the victims' families. "Karla Homolka had read a book on battered wife syndrome before any of these doctors started to talk to her."

In another psychiatric report, Homolka said she now wants to meet a man with "moral values of marriage ... who loves his mother [and] shows a respectful attitude toward women" -- and loves pets.

But those dreams of a picture-perfect life may be next to impossible for someone so infamous.

The pretty suburban home where Homolka and Bernardo lived out their violent sexual fantasies has been torn down.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/20/killer.release.reut/index.html

:eek:

Josh B.
Jun 20th, 2005, 02:17 PM
sick woman!

Scotso
Jun 20th, 2005, 02:41 PM
Execute her.

Ryan
Jun 20th, 2005, 02:48 PM
Execute her.


I soooooooooooo agree.

Scotso
Jun 20th, 2005, 02:51 PM
Probably someone related to one of the girls will hunt her down and do it.

*roddicksinme*
Jun 20th, 2005, 03:01 PM
why in the F$#K is she getting out after only 12 yrs :help:

Irish
Jun 20th, 2005, 03:28 PM
She had cut a deal to testify against her husband and alot of people were outraged that she was offered this since she participated totally.

She is totally disgusting and should have been executed.

Rocketta
Jun 20th, 2005, 03:58 PM
She had cut a deal to testify against her husband and alot of people were outraged that she was offered this since she participated totally.

She is totally disgusting and should have been executed.

They gave her the deal before they found the videotapes which showed clearly that she was a willing participant. I believe there was even a video of her sister. :speakles:

SelesFan70
Jun 20th, 2005, 04:03 PM
She had cut a deal to testify against her husband and alot of people were outraged that she was offered this since she participated totally.

She is totally disgusting and should have been executed.

May she die a slow, painful, grueling death. :tape:

Barrie_Dude
Jun 20th, 2005, 05:17 PM
More Karla! :yawn: Send her to Quebec! That is punishment enough for anyone...

XaDavK_Kapri
Jun 20th, 2005, 06:06 PM
More Karla! :yawn: Send her to Quebec! That is punishment enough for anyone...
Very clever, as usual :rolleyes: You hate us but you so don't want us to separate :lol: I wonder why.

Helen Lawson
Jun 20th, 2005, 06:22 PM
Barbara Graham got the gas chamber and all she did was kill one person!

Wigglytuff
Jun 20th, 2005, 06:23 PM
why in the F$#K is she getting out after only 12 yrs :help:

its clear she is still a danger, deal or no deal she should not be let out!

Barrie_Dude
Jun 20th, 2005, 06:36 PM
Very clever, as usual :rolleyes: You hate us but you so don't want us to separate :lol: I wonder why.Actually it is your politicians I hate! Those seperatist bastards make life diffucult for everyone else. I was in your beautiful city over the weekend and as usual I met some wonderful and warm people there.

canadian_bass_2
Jun 20th, 2005, 06:47 PM
Since nobody seems to be bothering to say anything for her, I'll do it. I don't know much about the case, even though I grew up in Vancouver around this time...but, I think that if she served time, she should have the right to get out. I mean, she was a lot of a freak show, but I think a lot of it had to do with her husband. She's clearly attracted to people who are dangerous, and that does get you into trouble, but...she may have been manipulated by him. Women do stupid things when they get with bad men. She served her time, now let her be.

*In reality I agree with you all, but this isn't much of a discussion thread so much as a 'let's kill Karla Homolka' thread. In any case, I've changed it. Discuss.*

Barrie_Dude
Jun 20th, 2005, 06:49 PM
Well, I am not much on killing folks but Karla and mr benardo do make a good case for the death penalty

Fingon
Jun 20th, 2005, 07:05 PM
Since nobody seems to be bothering to say anything for her, I'll do it. I don't know much about the case, even though I grew up in Vancouver around this time...but, I think that if she served time, she should have the right to get out. I mean, she was a lot of a freak show, but I think a lot of it had to do with her husband. She's clearly attracted to people who are dangerous, and that does get you into trouble, but...she may have been manipulated by him. Women do stupid things when they get with bad men. She served her time, now let her be.

*In reality I agree with you all, but this isn't much of a discussion thread so much as a 'let's kill Karla Homolka' thread. In any case, I've changed it. Discuss.*

sorry but whatever, that theory that she was forced into that by her evil husband makes me vomit.
So she is a poor victim that helped rape, torture and kill 3 teenage girls, including her own sister.
She didn't do a stupid thing, she killed someone, that's not just a mistake or a silly thing to do. I know that according to the law she has served her time but this is not about how the law should be applied, but what the law should be, and clearly, a system that leaves a serial killer and rapist free is wrong.
If you ask me, she should be executed, so should her disgusting half-man husband, she is a freaking murderer and we taxpayers have to pay for her living expenses, whatever, just shoot her, I will be glad if the cost of the bullet comes from my tax money.

ToeTag
Jun 20th, 2005, 07:12 PM
More Karla! :yawn: Send her to Quebec! That is punishment enough for anyone...
:devil:
Oh,soooooo true!!!!

To those who believe creepy Karla should be offed..well Canada doesn't have the death penalty so...btw, she'll probably emigrate to France with her French boyfriend she met while in prison. He was in the can for murdering his wife.

Scotso
Jun 20th, 2005, 08:26 PM
May she die a slow, painful, grueling death. :tape:

Why? What exactly would that accomplish?

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jun 20th, 2005, 10:01 PM
All of canad hates her and most of "us" want her dead

Rocketta
Jun 20th, 2005, 10:16 PM
Since nobody seems to be bothering to say anything for her, I'll do it. I don't know much about the case, even though I grew up in Vancouver around this time...but, I think that if she served time, she should have the right to get out. I mean, she was a lot of a freak show, but I think a lot of it had to do with her husband. She's clearly attracted to people who are dangerous, and that does get you into trouble, but...she may have been manipulated by him. Women do stupid things when they get with bad men. She served her time, now let her be.

*In reality I agree with you all, but this isn't much of a discussion thread so much as a 'let's kill Karla Homolka' thread. In any case, I've changed it. Discuss.*

I think the reason, "she's served her time let her be" argument doesn't work in this case is because she tricked prosecutors into that light sentence. If those idiots had seen the video they would've never offered the deal they did. She would be in prison for life so under those circumstances I can see why the general public would be more upset about her release.

tennis ace
Jun 20th, 2005, 10:22 PM
why in the F$#K is she getting out after only 12 yrs :help:
Because 1) Welcome to canada where you serve way less time :rolleyes: and 2)She's a women. I think we should shoot her up into space and let her die a slow, painful, grueling death out of this world :mad: :fiery:

ToeTag
Jun 21st, 2005, 12:28 AM
Because 1) Welcome to canada where you serve way less time :rolleyes: and 2)She's a women. I think we should shoot her up into space and let her die a slow, painful, grueling death out of this world :mad: :fiery:
Errr no. If the men, aka the crown and cops had been doing their bloody jobs in the first place they wouldn't have had to cut her a deal.(1) Paul Bernardo was brought into the cop shop before the two girls were killed. He was a perfect match for a composit of the Scarbourgh rapist...and the cops LET HIM GO. One of the nitwits[cops] even commented, at the time, at how much he looked like the guy in the sketch...(2)and of course their rush to cut a deal with her before completely exploring her role in the murders.

She was convicted of manslaughter, and abbeting NOT murder. Her being a woman had nothing to do with her sentence...however one could argue that the incompetant male dominated crown, and cops did!

Crazy Canuck
Jun 21st, 2005, 04:20 AM
Errr no. If the men, aka the crown and cops had been doing their bloody jobs in the first place they wouldn't have had to cut her a deal.(1) Paul Bernardo was brought into the cop shop before the two girls were killed. He was a perfect match for a composit of the Scarbourgh rapist...and the cops LET HIM GO. One of the nitwits[cops] even commented, at the time, at how much he looked like the guy in the sketch...(2)and of course their rush to cut a deal with her before completely exploring her role in the murders.

She was convicted of manslaughter, and abbeting NOT murder. Her being a woman had nothing to do with her sentence...however one could argue that the incompetant male dominated crown, and cops did!
Indeed.

Now, what was the name of the lawyer who kept the tapes until way after her deal was made? Was that Bernardo's lawyer or hers? Regardless, he needs hate mail. ;)

Crazy Canuck
Jun 21st, 2005, 04:21 AM
:devil:
Oh,soooooo true!!!!

To those who believe creepy Karla should be offed..well Canada doesn't have the death penalty so...btw, she'll probably emigrate to France with her French boyfriend she met while in prison. He was in the can for murdering his wife.
I'd say "thank God", but she's still going to be somewhere with a dangerous man. Does anybody honestly believe she will never reoffend? After what she did to her sister, I sure as heck don't.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 21st, 2005, 04:24 AM
If I'm not mistaken, the lot where they used to live is just empty. That's how it was about 7 or 8 years ago when I was in that area rowing, at least.

badunka
Jun 21st, 2005, 04:56 AM
I think the reason, "she's served her time let her be" argument doesn't work in this case is because she tricked prosecutors into that light sentence. If those idiots had seen the video they would've never offered the deal they did. She would be in prison for life so under those circumstances I can see why the general public would be more upset about her release.

But you must remeber a life sentence is only 25 years here in Canada and bernardo's sentences are served concurrently not one after another. The goal of the Canadian penal system, while people may agree with it or not is to rehabilitate the offender as they serve their debt to society. Unfortunately many people are "messed" in the head so it is a tough task to accomplish.

ANyways back to Karla I agree she is a horrible human being etc etc. Unfortunately she will be Canada's problem forever unless she can sneak out of the country as no country with tight borders will let that in their country. The biggest argument with her current boyfriend is that she is following the same patterns with him as she did with Bernardo and this is frightening, and with good reason, for most people. She will choose to live in Quebec because she can attain a less intrusive life style there as QUebec, as a province statistically followed the trial the least.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:08 AM
But you must remeber a life sentence is only 25 years here in Canada and bernardo's sentences are served concurrently not one after another. The goal of the Canadian penal system, while people may agree with it or not is to rehabilitate the offender as they serve their debt to society. Unfortunately many people are "messed" in the head so it is a tough task to accomplish.

Well, Paul is classified as a "dangerous offender" so it doesn't really matter what the length of his sentence officially is... he ain't getting out.

Unless I've always been misinformed on that matter.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:09 AM
Upon further investigation, I guess it doesn't mean what i thought it did. :)

Wigglytuff
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:29 AM
I think the reason, "she's served her time let her be" argument doesn't work in this case is because she tricked prosecutors into that light sentence. If those idiots had seen the video they would've never offered the deal they did. She would be in prison for life so under those circumstances I can see why the general public would be more upset about her release.
also, sexual predators like this woman are well know for the fact that they do repeat thier crimes. i am sure rehabilitation is POSSIBLE but i dont think its likely in her case. one convicted rapist/murder said it best "Mr. Dodd stated in a recent court brief, 'If I do escape, I promise you I will kill and rape again, and I will enjoy every minute of it.'"

@m@nd@
Jun 21st, 2005, 08:09 AM
omfg yes..execute her

Barrie_Dude
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:27 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the lot where they used to live is just empty. That's how it was about 7 or 8 years ago when I was in that area rowing, at least.There was a new house built there. The address has changed but the lot has been built on

Rocketta
Jun 21st, 2005, 07:26 PM
But you must remeber a life sentence is only 25 years here in Canada and bernardo's sentences are served concurrently not one after another. The goal of the Canadian penal system, while people may agree with it or not is to rehabilitate the offender as they serve their debt to society. Unfortunately many people are "messed" in the head so it is a tough task to accomplish.



so people who get life just serve 25 years and then get out without review? They automatically get parolled (if that's what it's called in Canada? )

Hulet
Jun 21st, 2005, 11:22 PM
so people who get life just serve 25 years and then get out without review? They automatically get parolled (if that's what it's called in Canada? )
I think for first degree murder, the sentencing is usually life without a possibility of parole for 25 years. After 25 years, a prisoner might be out on parole but I believe the case reviewers could deny him/her parole. In Bernardo's case, as Crazy_Canuck indicated, he was labeled "dangerous offender", which means that there is no chance that he will get out of prison for life.

badunka
Jun 22nd, 2005, 02:31 AM
I think for first degree murder, the sentencing is usually life without a possibility of parole for 25 years. After 25 years, a prisoner might be out on parole but I believe the case reviewers could deny him/her parole. In Bernardo's case, as Crazy_Canuck indicated, he was labeled "dangerous offender", which means that there is no chance that he will get out of prison for life.

correct he is a dangerous offender meaning after 2
5 years there is the chance of getting out of prison BUt the label does restrict his movement.