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Pureracket
Jun 18th, 2005, 02:22 AM
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sh documents portray determined U.S. march to war

By Warren P. Strobel, Knight Ridder Newspapers Fri Jun 17, 5:52 PM ET


WASHINGTON - Highly classified documents leaked in Britain appear to provide new evidence that President Bush (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=President+Bush) and his national security team decided to invade Iraq (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Iraq) much earlier than they have acknowledged and marched to war without dwelling on the potential perils.

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Blair is Bush's closest global partner, and the documents, startlingly frank at times, were never meant to become public.

Now they have rocketed around the Internet and been seized on by opponents of the Iraq war as evidence that the president and his administration were not leveling with the American people about their war preparations.

By mid-March 2002, a year before the invasion of Iraq, top British officials were already so resigned to a war that they seemed preoccupied mostly with building international support and finding a legal justification.

That was just six weeks after Bush declared Iraq a member of the "axis of evil."

But Blair's advisers repeatedly expressed concern that the case against Saddam was weak and that the White House wasn't giving nearly enough attention to what would happen after he was toppled.

"The U.S. government's military planning for action against Iraq is proceeding apace. But as yet, it lacks a political framework. In particular, little thought has been given to creating the political conditions for military action, or the aftermath and how to shape it," stated a July 21, 2002, briefing paper prepared for a meeting of Blair's advisers two days later.

"A post-war occupation of Iraq could lead to a protracted and costly nation-building exercise," it stated.

Bush and Blair forcefully denied in a news conference this month that they were fixated on war.

"There's nothing farther from the truth. My conversations with the prime minister were how can we do this peacefully," Bush said. "We worked hard to figure out how we could do this peacefully."

Neither the U.S. government nor the British government has disputed the memos' authenticity.

The release of the documents comes at a bad time for Bush. He faces growing congressional and public unease after 27 months of war in Iraq. Opinion polls show public support for the Iraq war at or near all-time lows.

"It's not collapsing. ... (But) there are signs people are becoming uneasy," said Christopher Gelpi, a Duke University political science professor who studies public opinion and the use of force.

Gelpi said the impact of the British memos is unclear, since they haven't received wide media attention until recently. "The notion that the public has been lied to could have a very toxic effect on public support," he said.

Precisely when Bush made an irrevocable decision to invade Iraq remains murky.

"We still don't know - and this is not unusual - exactly when the presidential decision was made," said journalist James Mann, author of "Rise of the Vulcans: The History of Bush's War Cabinet."

The White House maintains it tried to avert war almost until the last minute.

Despite the outcry over the British documents, which have come to be known as the "Downing Street memos," much of what they say was known - or knowable - at the time, Mann said.

It's well documented that Bush began looking at military options for overthrowing Saddam's regime as early as November 2001, with formal military planning beginning early in 2002.

Knight Ridder, for example, reported on Feb. 13, 2002, that the president had decided in principle on overthrowing the Iraqi leader and ordered "a combination of military, diplomatic and covert steps" to achieve that goal.

Six days later, then-Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., visited U.S. Central Command headquarters and, Graham said in a memoir, was told by Gen. Tommy Franks that despite ongoing operations in Afghanistan (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Afghanistan), "military and intelligence personnel are being redeployed to prepare for an action in Iraq." Franks denied making the comment.

Richard Haass, the State Department's director of policy planning, told an interviewer that in an early July 2002 chat with then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Condoleezza+Rice), he questioned putting Iraq at the center of the U.S. war against terrorism. He said Rice advised him "essentially, that that decision's been made, don't waste your breath."

The British memos document in crisp, sometimes wry, prose how advanced political preparations were even more than a year before the March 2003 invasion.

Moreover, they echo other accounts of Bush's determination to unseat Saddam, who once tried to assassinate his father.

In a March 22, 2002, letter to British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, Blair political adviser Peter Ricketts advised steering the public rationale for war away from "regime change."

"'Regime change' does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam," Ricketts wrote.

Bush came into office with aides, including Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, who believed that the United States erred gravely by allowing Saddam to remain in power after the 1991 Gulf War (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Gulf+War).

Four days after the Sept. 11 attacks, during a crisis meeting at Camp David, Wolfowitz argued for attacking Iraq in response, as first recounted in journalist Bob Woodward's book "Plan of Attack."

Later that month, Wolfowitz helped arrange a trip by former CIA (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=CIA) Director James Woolsey to the United Kingdom to look for evidence of an Iraqi role in Sept. 11.

Richard Clarke, at the time a veteran White House counterterrorism official, has written that Bush ordered him to look for the same evidence the day after the attacks.

The search for evidence, along with claims about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs, continued for more than a year.

No Iraqi link to Sept. 11 has been found, and most of the intelligence about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction has since proved to be bogus.

In that sense, the British memos seem almost prophetic.

"Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy," Sir Richard Dearlove, head of Britain's MI-6 spy service, told Blair and his top advisers after talks in Washington, according to the first memo to be leaked. It was dated July 23, 2002.

"US scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and al (Qaida) is so far frankly unconvincing," Ricketts reported earlier in his March 2002 letter to Straw.

In his own letter to Blair three days later, Straw also seemed to question the scale of the threat. "In the documents so far presented, it has been hard to glean whether the threat from Iraq is so significantly different from that of Iran (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Iran) and North Korea (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=North+Korea) as to justify military action," he wrote.

All of the documents leaked thus far - by persons unknown - date before Bush's August 2002 decision to take his case against Saddam to the United Nations (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=United+Nations), as recommended by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Colin+Powell).

While Bush continues to assert that he tried diplomacy, things looked different in the spring and summer of 2002, at least as seen through the prism of the British government.

Blair's advisers found a deep distrust of the United Nations in Washington.

The National Security Council, led by Rice, "has no patience with the U.N. route," according to Dearlove's report to Blair and his advisers at the July 23, 2002, meeting.

In yet another memo, Christopher Meyer, then Blair's ambassador to Washington, said he met with Wolfowitz on March 17, 2002, and discussed how to build support for military action. "I then went through the need to wrongfoot Saddam on the inspectors," Meyer reported to London.

The two governments discussed ways to craft an ultimatum to Saddam on U.N. weapons inspectors that he would be sure to reject, providing an excuse for war and a path to building international support.

Said Mann: "Going to the U.N. was always a box to be checked and a necessity for winning the support of the British government."

kabuki
Jun 18th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Unfortunately, "mainstream" Mom and Pop America just won't care.

Volcana
Jun 18th, 2005, 04:41 AM
If what you means by 'serious', is will it alter Bush's behaviour, or put an end to the stream of lies coming from the Bush administration, no. Not while the Republicans control the Supreme and both houses of Congress.

Several million people in the streets would work, since half the National Guard is in Iraq.

Pureracket
Jun 18th, 2005, 11:51 AM
Well, it's going to be interesting to see what the media does with this.

spartanfan
Jun 18th, 2005, 06:04 PM
Haven't you all figured it out by now. The mainstream media is scared to death of Bush and the Republican Party.

Infiniti2001
Jun 18th, 2005, 06:27 PM
Haven't you all figured it out by now. The mainstream media is scared to death of Bush and the Republican Party.

That's so true, but I think a lot of Congressmen and Senators are thinking about that memo now. I personally don't think Bush is going to get to pass his second term the way he did his first. And I hope Tony Blair is gone soon, because that is really going to put Bush in an awkward position without his co-conspirator to get his back and lie with him :fiery:

spartanfan
Jun 20th, 2005, 04:26 PM
Well the way the Bushies and the Republicans work is if an unfavorable story gets out its: Deny, deny, deny. And if the press and public still doesn't believe it than attack the messanger to be anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-Bush and anti-Republicans. And hit repeat the next time another story come along.

kiwifan
Jun 21st, 2005, 02:42 AM
There's really not much to do with it...

...in a court of law, if someone you know tells someone else you know that they think you're going to do something...

...its all just speculation, I don't see any evidence that Bush or any of Bush's people had anything to do with the memo (if they did, then it would be seen as a "statement against interest" and admissible in court as evidence against Bush)...

...so its no likely that there can be any kind of punishment...

...otherwise we'd start making incrimating memos about everyone and leaking them too...:shrug:

Prosecution: "Pres. Bush, what do you have to say about this memo."

Bush: "Nothing, sounds like some high level Brits with limited access to people working for me, were throwing opinions around amongst themselves and in a free country they're entitled to thier opinions even if they're wrong."

:yawn: Of course Dubya wouldn't be as eloquent as moi :dance:

Madhuri
Jun 22nd, 2005, 02:06 AM
It's amazing that there are still Americans who support Bush despite the fact that no weapons of mass destruction have been found and the entire case against Iraq has proven to be bogus. Meanwhile hundreds of U.S. soldiers and thousands of Iraqi civilians are dead for absolutely no reason at all. I guess as long as the dead people aren't friends or relatives then it's all good for some people.

kiwifan
Jun 22nd, 2005, 02:24 AM
Don't presume I support Bush just because this evidence is bullshit. :yawn:

Saddam needed taking out.

I don't think we needed to stay after taking him out. We should have left them to whatever fate had in store for them. :devil: And when the smoke cleared have diplomacy with the winner. :hehehe:

That's where Bush and I part company.

Cheers - :cool: